Wednesday, January 9, 2008

The Estrogen Party


On CNN today Hillary explained her crying was because someone showed concern for her as a person. Then the woman who made her cry was interviewed and she said that she had gone to an Obama meeting later, and he had made her cry. So she voted for him. There is a mighty lot of estrogen in that party.

32 comments:

Reader said...

Estrogen doesn't make you cry Blogger, exhaustion does. She looked like she just teared up to me. Whatever you call it, worked.
Smart lady.

shyster said...

I might also point out that your sexist views and comments may be a symbol of the reason the GOP has had a problem attracting women to the party.
Are you part of the school that says a woman is fit to lead (if at all) for only 28 days out of every month?
"Too much estrogen"
Blogger, I would have thought that your mama or your wife would have taught you better than that.

matt said...

I dont really trust anyone with the last name Clinton. I dont trust that was real, but thats just me. It has nothing to do with her being a chick, only with her last name. If it was her 'slick' (Willy) husband up there crying I would think it is fake too...whether he has high levels of estrogen is up for debate.. If she told me she has good ideas for the country and doesn't want us to go back (or whatever she was saying that "choked her up"), I dont believe it either. Like this "raise taxes on the wealthy" stuff. Hmmmm looking into it, that would raise my taxes too. Funny, 7$ an hour, and a little savings, is rich these days! Oh how good it feels to be rich!

It was a risky move on her part, and maybe it payed off...

Though I think it has more to do with being too fascinated in polls and scketchy stuff going on in the vote-counting process. I hate to be all conspiracy theorist here...but some strange stuff happend.
That is leading up to this: vote fraud charges being filed by a former FBI agent:(will this work if i put a link?)
http://www.arguewitheveryone.com/politics-news/13727-confirmed-vote-fraud-n-h-retired-f-b-i-ageny-files-rico-lawsuits.html#post286319

Now, it seems like most of the problems comes from Obama votes not counting, and Ron Paul votes not counting.
Would Ron Paul have won? No, but 4th place is/was in reach.
Obama's story is differnt. a percentage point here and there and he beats Billary.
I find it sketchy that in hand-counted counties Ron Paul polled at an average of 15%...Twice that of counties that use Dibold machines. And Obama won nearly every county that hand-counts ballots:
http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=749

Should be interesting regardless.
Im off to Myrtle Beach, I got a ticket for the debate tomorrow (the 10th). Everyone look for me on TV! (sadly, I have to promote Fox News...)

matt said...

By the way, Andrew I think you and I were having problems with posting links before...

I noticed, this seemed to have worked... The only difference I can find is that I am using Internet Explorer instead of Firefox...Test it out and see if it helps

Reader said...

As Republican as I am, I have to say this post was surprising to me. I would have expected a comment like this from some of the hard core older Democrat men in this town, but not from our party. Yes, I have a family member that makes them all the time. I realize now it's in both parties. I don't support Hillary for President, but feel she deserves respect like all the other candidates, including Ron Paul.

Anonymous said...

Knowing the blogger as I do, I can state for certain that he is not sexist. I think that perhaps his larger point was missed, i.e. that this "Hillary moment" was possibly contrived and calculated and concern over the amusing shallowness of an unfortunately large percentage of voters--both male and female. One would hope that the continuing campaign in both parties would push toward more "thinking" and a bit less "feeling."

shyster said...

Is there nothing that she does that is not "contrived and calculated" in your mind?
"There is a mighty lot of estrogen in that party." was not a shot at Hillary but a shot at women in the Dem party. Don't try and spin it or defend it. It was a dumb comment.
Tell your Mama and wife you're sorry and take your medicine.

Anonymous said...

shyster said...

Is there nothing that she does that is not "contrived and calculated" in your mind?

No, there isn't. I agree with the opinion that I have heard stated that in the event that Obama wins the primaries or even looks like he is going to, he will either be the victim of a chracter assassination or a real one from Clinton, Inc. There is so much smoke about people whose deaths have been convenient to these people, there has to be some fire somewhere. It would be easy to fake a "hate crime" against Obama.

Anonymous said...

"'There is a mighty lot of estrogen in that party.' was not a shot at Hillary but a shot at women in the Dem party. Don't try and spin it or defend it. It was a dumb comment."

In truth, we would have to let the blogger state his intentions in making the comment. My point was that the larger truth seemed to be missed. And, in this case, there doesn't seem to be much to defend. There's too much estrogen in BOTH parties--too much yin and not enough yang, if you will. The Dem females, however, with the support of their male colleagues, seem to emphasize it more than the Rep females and their male colleagues. That's why, though Republicans are not immune, it works better when played before a Democratic audience. The shame is that it trivializes the issues and further weakens the state of American politics.

Wolf's Head said...

"I might also point out that your sexist views and comments may be a symbol of the reason the GOP has had a problem attracting women to the party." Shyster

Seems to me that Fred Thompson managed to attract an attractive woman to the party, so to speak....

shyster said...

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, Wolfie.
I never said that there weren’t beautiful women in the GOP. What I said was the GOP’s behavior toward all woman has cost it female membership.
Again, don’t try to spin or defend Blogger’s comment. He should have the testosterone to step up and spin it, defend it or apologize.

Blogger said...

Maybe a lot of you did not see the voter interviewed on CNN. For those who didn’t, what she said was what got me going. Her question had provoked the tearful reaction in Hillary. She was thinking of voting for Hillary but then she went to an Obama meeting. She explained: “He made me cry, so I voted for him”. Suppose a male voter had said “I was going to vote for Romney but I changed my mind because Huckabee looked so great with his shot gun.” And, I had observed “There is a mighty lot of testosterone in that party.” Would the PC police still be after me?

aDaughterOfYaHWeH said...

Exactly! It amazing how the PC police only attack when it is in the favor of the democrats, but never when it involves republicans or, better yet, "evangelical" conservatives.... they try to keep the conservatives in a corner scared to say anything because it might be misinterpreted, yet they can run around and say whatever they want to! Seems like a double standard to me....

shyster said...

Blogger, I may well be the least PC person you know.
My comment was that your post was sexist. It had little to do with any qualification for office or current issue and that attitude is a reason the GOP has a problem relating to or attracting women. None of that comment is PC and all of it is a reasonable interpretation of your post.
Had you been impressed with Huckleberry because he packs a testosterone canon I would probably have commented on it. I do find it interesting that the NRA and gun supporters in the GOP seem to go for those really big guns or the automatic weapons that spew bullets. Coincidence? I think not. I think it’s overcompensation for a lack of personal firepower or perhaps a comment that many men in the party are quick on the old trigger, if you get my drift, and feel a personal kinship to the weapons that spew at the touch of the trigger.

Reader said...

I guess I heard something different, such as "moved to tears". I had to look up the CNN interview. Women, as well as men, are moved to tears at some point in their lives. Do you think women are weaker because of tears? Be thankful they have the estrogen they do, you could be sleeping beside a woman with excessive leg and back hair, due to excessive testosterone.

Shyster, you amaze me sometimes. Some posts I get so angry at your comments I could spit nails. Other posts you are so compassionate. I rather like the latter you.

Blogger, I enjoy reading most of your posts, but I'll rank this a spitting nail one. If hit by one of those nails while I was reading it, I would wager you would have had a "tear in your eye" from the pain. Stupid estrogen. Or would that have been testosterone?

Anonymous said...

Kudos to Blogger! His explanation is clear and speaks directly to the suspicions that I noted above. Whether it's excessive estrogen or excessive testosterone, it's dangerous to American politics when so many voters are "moved" by image and shallowness. God grant that more voters, Dem or Rep, Cons or Libs, would "THINK" and vote accordingly.

All these cute "quick trigger" comments and concern over compassion threaten the very core of our democratic way of life. And doesn't it make Shyster guilty of PC "ageism" even as he claims to be "the least of these?" To use Reader's comparison, his post certainly lacked compassion! And, yes, I know attempted humor when I see it. Why not give Blogger the same consideration? No sexism, no "spitting nails" when the facts back him up.

shyster said...

Nonny Mouse, who was attempting humor?
You wouldn't be a little quick on the trigger yourself would you?

Reader said...

Blogger has posted some observations that I've thought were excellent in the past. This was not. I thought it was a cheap shot, coming from a retired clergy or am I mistaken? Different blogger perhaps?

I have been a Republican and proud of it for almost 50 yrs, and I have not once considered changing parties... up until the last few years. I am seeing a move in our party that I'm not proud of anymore. If you can prove different - teach me please, I'm not above schooling.

Compassion is needed in every aspect of life, it didn't move the lady to vote for her, so crying doesn't work. Hillary just had more voters that liked her there.

If you don't want me to post when I disagree, just say so anon. I don't want to ruffle your feathers.

shyster said...

PS Nonny Mouse, what the hell does PC "ageism" mean?

Anonymous said...

Shyster said:

Coincidence? I think not. I think it’s overcompensation for a lack of personal firepower or perhaps a comment that many men in the party are quick on the old trigger, if you get my drift, and feel a personal kinship to the weapons that spew at the touch of the trigger.

Now, Shys, get real. The above can't be read any other way--though if you insist, I'll give you the benefit of a beautifully-unintended pun. But, understand, I don't find a problem with the humor from you or the Blogger. My point was to suggest we lighten up and not be so quick to accuse. "Ageism" is a PC buzzword for not having enough empathy for the elderly and those problems that typically come with age. I probably agree with you that the PCers have gone way too far and have been given way too much press--both from supporters and opponents. Just because a person makes an observation about the shallowness of voters who would choose "because he made me cry" (and, Reader, that was what the woman ultimately said in her decision to vote for Mr. O), he or she should not automatically be labeled sexist.

And specifically to Reader,

Reader said:

If you don't want me to post when I disagree, just say so anon. I don't want to ruffle your feathers.


No, No, No! Please don't misunderstand. I value your input and I meant no disrespect to you or to women in general. There is certainly a place for compassion and women have no monopoly on the emotion as far as I have been able to determine. Some women are compassionate; some are not. Same goes for the guys. And compassion has its merits, but standing alone it's not worthy of something as important as a vote in my opinion. Compassion must ultimately be judged by action. If someone feels your pain (to borrow from Mr. C), but does nothing to help, what good does that do? On the other hand, if they don't feel your pain but understand your dilemma and do something positive to help, which in the end has served the greater purpose and which indeed has shown the most compassion?

On your concern over the GOP, yes there are those who have been reckless in their comments toward women but the same number of folks exist among the Dems. For political purposes, the Democratic Party with the aid of the media has pushed the proposition that Republicans are not concerned with women's issues (the old "soccer mom" routine) and also not concerned with minorities in general. The facts, however, do not back up such a charge. Women in general have been just as likely to vote Republican as Democrat in every election since 1920, when rightfully so they were finally allowed to participate on the federal level. The difference in recent years, if you break down the statistics, is that "single women" have a tendency to vote Democratic, while "married women" have a tendency to vote Republican. That perhaps demonstrates the vulnerability of single women as compared to married women and it also would suggest that, as with men, the most vulnerable among us are likely to be influenced by the political games that politicians play. It's a perception game. The Republicans play that game too but, overall, I don't think they've been nearly as successful at stereotyping their opposition.

But thanks for the comments. This has been fun and informative.

shyster said...

Nonny Mouse, the reason I was confused is that my “weapons” jabs had everything to do with overcompensation for an insignificant weapon (a prevelant problem with men in the NRA, men in the GOP and men who drive Humvees) and the premature “ejection” of spent ammunition.
(These weapons metaphors are fun and I haven’t even mentioned ramrods, hollow points, lubricating gun oils or custom hand grips).
My comments had nothing to do with aging. Am I on target that you may be dating yourself and can feel that bullseye on your back?
The puns were intended, but I seem to have ricocheted and wounded the wrong age group.
Re-read the post. The estrogen comment was a shot at women, specifically Dem. women. If it was not intended then Blogger should consider his comments and their impact.

Anonymous said...

Yeah, Shys, I suppose I'm getting older but, hey, I'm so much more wise than I used to be! I really wouldn't know if the premature allusion caused me any silent pain. Haven't noticed a problem but, as a number of married men might sympathize, the opportunities have been so few, who would notice??? And, lest you take me seriously, there's no frustration there; just another mild attempt at humor.

And, you are correct that the Blogger's cogent comment was specifically directed at Democratic women but, whether he intended it or not, he stumbled upon a bit of truth that imperils both parties and both sexes within those parties.

Cheers.

Reader said...

Okay gunslingers, get over yourselves. Republican women can decipher that jargon. Unlike Democrat women, we don't jump in and compare.

Anonymous said...

Touche, Reader! I for one am proud that you're a Republican. Hang in there; you make our party stronger. The GOP needs more people of your intelligence and wit.

Anonymous said...

Touche, Reader! I for one am proud that you're a Republican. Hang in there; you make our party stronger. The GOP needs more people of your intelligence and wit.

shyster said...

Reader, perhaps if you did you would realize what you are missing.

Anonymous said...

Doubt that, Shy-Man. From what I've read, she's much too independent-minded and intelligent for that!

BRockBlue said...

I, for one, will take a Party (and a World) with more estrogen and less of the testosterone that has added so much destruction and suffering to human history.

Blogger said...

Brockblue, I like your comment appreciating estrogen. Reading into the other commenters, one could come up with the impression that estrogen was a negative. There seems to be a lot of sexism among my readers.

Blogger said...

Speaking of married women voting Republican and single women voting Democrat. Don't ya'll know that studies reveal married women with children are concerned about safety--a Republican strenth.

Reader said...

Shyster, I'm proud I don't have anything to compare. I prefer walking down the street uninhibited.

Anonymous said...

The biggest problem with this election is how to deal with the testerone in the Republican party!