“He is not marching us to Socialism. He is racing us towards it.’ “And by the way, did you hear that the Boone Town Council proposed sabotaging traditional marriage?” (The preceding little gem is hiding in this link) “There are Republicans out in the county who sat out the last election. Not this next time!”
With the realization that the Radical Left has hijacked the country and that Democrats, Independents, Conservatives, and Republicans alike are traumatized by what they are seeing, Republicans are being energized. This charging up could be seen no better than in the Thursday night monthly gathering of the Watauga County Republican party.
The Republican Women reported an increase in attendance. The college Republicans said that attendance at meetings of the Young Republicans had drawn as many as 10 times the number as did the other side's meetings.
And, unlike in the last election, local Republicans are already announcing their plans to run. And, for those asking about tea parties” “Yes there will be a tea party April 15 on campus for all alarmed Americans.” Information about the local tea party should show up soon on the links for this post:
Tea Parties
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Tea Party gear can be found at www.shirts4freedom.com
Matt, you wanted to know what tea parties I am going to attend. I will be at the one at ASU, the good Lord willing and the creek don't rise.
See ya' there Guy!
Guy,
I will be there as well!
You are right, its a race toward socialism---the left will never admit it just as they are not liberals now, but progressives. A pig my anyother name is still a hog. Utopian socialism is a danger. They have their concept of utopia and want to impose it on all I have my own idea of utopia and don't need any help arriving there---hard work and sweat will get me there one day and I certainly don't need the governments help.
Me too...I've never been to anything like this, guess it's time. I'd like to meet all of you.
POV,
You can come check it out to, you can remain undercover, but just to see what it is all about since you were bashing them earlier.
Ahhh. Trotting out the old, "They're trying to destroy the institution of marriage!"
FEAR sells.
What's next, illegal alliens or emboldening the enemy?
Lame, lame, lame.
Yes fear sells, ask Obama. He's been continuing the Bush policy of using fear of the economic collapse to convert this country into a 3rd world dictatorship.
Faulkes:
You girls arriving tanked up and hoping to get lucky at the party?
Sorry Pocket Pool, this isn't the Gay Pride Parade. Perhaps you should spend more time on the gay chat rooms then professing your ignorance here and elsewhere.
We need more of these tax protests, and we need to make sure there is accurate media coverage.
Would be nice if we could get Virginia Foxx to attend.
Grumpy Old Men and Grumpy Reader
Please explain to someone that has been married for over 40 years how gay marriage has any effect on marriage? You give Rush a pass on his multi marriages.
Do you people lay awake at night to think of things to get pissed off about?
The teeshirt sales folks have a great marketing plan.
I may drop by to watch this marketing of teeshirts and caps. Maybe Icould sell you a membership with a membership certificate or do they have that covered?
You can fool some of the people some of the time and some of the people all the time.
And some people are fools all of the time, which is why we have liberals.
The issue of marriage is not a political one, but a cultural one. The purpose of marriage is for having children and rearing them to perpetuate the species. It is for continuing the culture and insuring support for both children and the elderly.
To force a culture to completely redefine a fundamental institution for the benefit of perverted behavior is to weaken the institution and the culture as a whole.
Of course, that is why the left wants it.
No culture that I am aware of in the history of mankind has ever equated perverted homosexual behavior with marriage as it is antithecal to it. Even Rome and Greece in the depths of their perversion did not do so. Which means the todays left has reached new depths of perversion unheard of in the history of mankind.
At least the lefties could declaim the REAL reason for all of this, to force normal families to financially support perverts with benefits and entitlements normally reserved for real married couples.
Wolfie:
Virginia Foxx to attend a Gay Pride parade?????
Wolf
No family not even yours will escape having a homosexual member for long. You can have all the religion you want but life has a great sense of humor.
The sad part is many in the anti gay marriage crowd will have a son, daughter, niece, nephew, brother or sister that is unable to communicate with such religion intolerant relatives.
This is just more of what you think you know just ain't so.
Republicans always amuse me at the silliness they get so uptight about, then life make a fool out of them with a dose of reality.
OK
the only Tea Party is on campus? I have heard rumors that there might be one on Saturday after Apr 15
People are asking. We need to know where to meet and when
Thanks
Yes, please keep us up-to-date Blogger.
POV, the Wolf is not a Republican.
He does have an interesting point. How does being homosexual benefit the species? What does marriage have to do with either a heterosexual or homosexual benefit to the species?
The Wolf may be right in his contention that the argument is with different cultures and nothing more. It is certainly true that in most cultures there are benefits to offspring if their parents are married. This would seem to be slightly beside the point with a homosexual marriage.
Guy
Repost that last one.
The only thing I understood is Wolf is not a Republican, but I like to assiocate him with the so call Republican values and silliness.
I think Republicans are trying to disown Sark also.
I did watch Mr Steel over the week end.
The Republicans would do well to move to Mr Steel's Republican Party and run from Rush and Mr Ann Coulter's Republicans. I don't know what you will do about the Sarah Palin know nothings branch.
POV
To put it bluntly, gay marriage is a non issue to me. I do not care about it one way or the other. Why do you? If you can convince most people to support your cause, then gay marriages will be allowed. If not then things stay as they are. If you are correct in your assumptions you should have no problem. I think that because of cultural differences, you will never be successful.
I am sorry if I confused you with rhetoric you did not understand. I will try to use smaller words.
March 30, 2009
The Obama We Knew But Denied
By Kyle-Anne Shiver
What if an American President campaigned as a pragmatic centrist, promised tax cuts to 95% of the American people and pledged himself to a new era of government honesty, openness and bipartisanship, but never had any of those intentions? The result might be a cabinet full of tax cheats, political cronies and lobbyists, and a president peddling an overstuffed budget of liberal dream-schemes at a time when the American economy can least afford an extra nickel for folderol or fiddling.
Meanwhile Rome is burning.
President Obama rolls the dice and grabs a can of kerosene.
This president's budget, plus the Faux Stimulus monstrosity, plus the TARP bailouts all add up to the biggest, most irresponsible spending spree in American history. Yet, according to some of the best and brightest economists on the planet, these schemes are built upon overly rosy expectations, will do little to stimulate any economic growth and promise to punitively tax the very people and industries we need to provide investment capital and jobs to actually create the pie from which all these liberal cherries are to be plucked.
Yet President Obama and his double host of Ivy League staffers are billed to be the smartest folks in the Country.
If I didn't know better, I might suspect these people aren't really interested in returning America to prosperity.
The Obama We Knew, but Most Denied
The man who is now president, Barack Obama, is precisely the man whose spiritual mentor for 2 decades, Jeremiah Wright, denounced "white folks greed" running "a world in need." Barack Obama is precisely the man whose political mentor, Saul Alinsky, advised the use of any and all means necessary to take power in America, and to clothe his deceit in "moral garments." Barack Obama is precisely the man whose most influential and moneyed backer was George Soros, the Fabian socialist whose financial schemes have garnered great wealth for him while leaving whole economies in shambles, the way ours is now.
Anyone still harboring the illusion that President Barack Obama cares one whit about the millions of Americans whose retirement funds and futures dwindle with each passing day of this "regime change" needs a reality check.
Barack Obama is the man who declared that bankrupting the coal industry would be the natural and desired result of his environmental policies, that his Global Poverty Act would bring "collective redemption" to an America presiding over an unfair world and that dismantling our defenses would make the world more safe.
So, as President Barack Obama now divvies up the slices of America's pie in roll-the-dice fashion, while he takes it upon himself to demolish the defenses that have kept us safe for seven whole years in a world out to destroy us and our best ally, Israel, those moderates who looked the other way and denied the truth now claim this is not the Barack Obama they knew.
Smart people always make the most dangerous fools.
Why must it always be us fervent conservatives who see the truth and have the guts to proclaim it.
Now, surely I'm not the only person in America who remembers full-well this little tirade of candidate Obama's on how we Americans "can't just drive our SUVs, eat all we want and keep our thermostats at 72 degrees...and expect that the rest of the world will just say, "Okay." Surely, I'm not the only American citizen who remembers that George Soros was one of Barack Obama's first and most influential backers and that Soros considers U.S. hegemony as an enemy to global governance, of the sort he has always supported.
The sad truth is that Barack Obama and his cabal of international socialists have every intention of bursting the bubble of American supremacy. They see America as the lynchpin of a global situation they deplore, a world that is inherently unfair. A world in which there is no genuine evil, only valid grievances for past oppression. It is that unfairness for which America now must pay with her 401Ks. And to these "liberal communists," Barack Obama declared fealty in his "Citizen of the World" speech in Berlin.
I'm thinking the words, "we've been had," are now forming in the minds of moderates from coast to coast.
The Race-Card Jujitsu
A vast array of Americans seem to still be scratching their heads in wonder at how a complete political knave has been elected to the highest office in the land with nary a single real accomplishment on his resume. But I would submit that it is not possible for an electorate to make wise decisions without the benefit of full disclosure about their candidates, without the tenacious investigating and forthright reporting by the fourth estate -- our media complex.
It is now no secret that our press saw fit to emphasize non-stories about Governor Sarah Palin and Senator McCain, while all but completely ignoring genuinely troubling information and huge gaps in information about the man Americans eventually elected. Voter surveys taken immediately after the election make this point painfully apparent.
This Zogby poll of Obama voters, at the behest of John Zeigler, has drawn wide attention and vociferous attacks, but the polling data seems to verify what many noticed during the election season. Barack Obama was getting a free pass on just about anything and everything that made him look less than ready to lead our Nation.
The basics:
512 Obama Voters 11/13/08-11/15/08 MOE +/- 4.4 points
97.1% High School Graduate or higher, 55% College Graduates
Results to 12 simple Multiple Choice Questions
57.4% could NOT correctly say which party controls Congress (50/50 shot just by guessing)
71.8% could NOT correctly say Joe Biden quit a previous campaign because of plagiarism (25% chance by guessing)
82.6% could NOT correctly say that Barack Obama won his first election by getting opponents kicked off the ballot (25% chance by guessing)
88.4% could NOT correctly say that Obama said his policies would likely bankrupt the coal industry and make energy rates skyrocket (25% chance by guessing)
56.1% could NOT correctly say Obama started his political career at the home of two former members of the Weather Underground (25% chance by guessing).
And yet.....
Only 13.7% failed to identify Sarah Palin as the person on which their party spent $150,000 in clothes
Only 6.2% failed to identify Palin as the one with a pregnant teenage daughter
And 86.9 % thought that Palin said that she could see Russia from her "house," even though that was Tina Fey who said that!!
Only 2.4% got at least 11 correct.
Only .5% got all of them correct. (And we "gave" one answer that was technically not Palin, but actually Tina Fey)
The only suggestions from any candidate that Barack Obama was receiving extra favorable coverage came from Bill and Hillary Clinton during the primaries, and they were slam-dunked for being racists in nearly all corners.
Were the Clintons being racist in their complaints? I don't think so.
In fact, I would venture to say at this juncture that it was Obama's race - and nothing else - that enabled his election to the presidency. President Obama is now the president owing to a perfect race-card jujitsu.
There are two kinds of racism. One is openly hateful and virulent. The other is elitist and condescending, and deceitfully parades as generous niceness.
We saw next to no racism of the first kind during this election campaign. The other may have been the guiding force behind our liberal media's disinclination to hold candidate Barack Obama to the same standards as his white-peer candidates.
I first encountered this condescending type of prejudice as the mother of a handicapped child. Our son became deaf at age three due to a near-fatal bout of meningitis, and I was suddenly thrust into the world of special education. This world is filled with lovely liberals with the very best of intentions. They offer a host of helpful information and provide a great service for students, who were once shuffled off to residential institutions, out of sight and equally out of mind, much the way black students were once contained to all-black schools.
But the ugly side of special education is that many (if not most) of the educators have a very condescending view of their students, very seldom expecting them to work as hard or ever come even close to meeting the same expectations we have for so-called normal students of the same age and intelligence. And sad to say, black parents report much of this same condescension from teachers of both races, especially when economic disadvantage and broken homes affect the student.
It boils down to an unspoken belief that certain students simply cannot be held to the same standard as other, more advantaged students. This attitude is not only unspoken, it is actively hidden from view.
We saw a perfect glimpse of this condescending prejudice from Rev. Jeremiah Wright, when he spoke to the NAACP on the differences between white children and black children. Wright declared that black children simply could not learn in the same rigid type of environment in which white children thrived. "Their brains are wired differently," he proclaimed.
This is simply a way of saying, "Black children can't succeed" in a white world with the same standards of achievement for all. This prejudiced attitude is the foundation of affirmative action, whether in education or employment. Whatever standards cannot be met by the disadvantaged group must be waived out of deceptive "niceness."
This is the insidious prejudice that has all-but destroyed our nation's public schools. For the past 40 years, we have disregarded objective standards of proficiency in favor of student self-esteem. We have discarded uniform discipline and standards of civil behavior in favor of a system with double standards, high for those we deem worthy of it, very low for those we believe deficient.
Wright was widely condemned for saying out loud and in public exactly what was happening with his own candidate for president. In failing to adequately cover candidate Obama's past, the host of his unreleased documents, including grades, and in otherwise defending every deficiency, from over-dependence on the teleprompter to his refusal to answer questions, our press demonstrated at nearly every turn its own institutional racism of the most condescending nature.
President Obama took advantage of this and received a 53% majority of the vote. This election, I predict, will stand as the most perfect example of political jujitsu ever enacted. An entire Nation choked on its own liberal-racism petard and doesn't even have the courage to admit it. We have become a Nation of fools and President Barack Obama is our just dessert.
Guy
Thank you for using smaller words.
I care because is shows the Republican sense of justice is wanting.
Blogger posted the link here to fire up the religious intolerant who make up much of the Republican base.
This issue also shows Republicans to be silly and misinformed.
They the religous base are ok with bad marriages and Rush with three or four marriages but don't want gay couples to commit to a life together and have visitation rights at the end of their lives. Life will bring enlightenment to many of these folks when they experence the injustice it in their own families. As I said earlier I have been married for over forty years and for some preacher or politician to suggest marriage is in any way affected by a gay coulple's marriage is silly nonsense. These fools can't win on facts.
Oatz
You didn't vote for Obama so why are you so disappointed?
I did vote for Obama and think he's doing better than could reasonably be expected considering the mess he has to fix after Bush's failed government.
How many numbers are in the Republican's budget.
Do you think they are being responsible offering a budget without figures?
Have you(Liberal POV) read Obama's budget or the Stimulus bill ?
Tell me-- Why are liberals always so shocked to find out that Americans are good people?
http://ncopenbook.gov/
Oatz
Obama has a planand the Stimulus bill has numbers in it.
The Republicans have no plan.
What plan Liberal POV?
Oatz
You need to take a break from searching the web for anti Obama propaganda and read a little main stream news.
Oatz you're obsessing with the Anti Obama propaganda. Your side failed and then your side lost the election accept that fact.
Excuse me, POV, but asserting that gays cannot have a relationship without marriage would appear to make you equally as judgmental as those you denounce for religious intolerance. If visitation on a deathbed is the only concern, there is always the option of written instructions to inform the caregiver of your wishes or a living will. There are other options to handle legal matters except taxes. Maybe you need to talk to Obama to change the tax code. Another fifty pages or so will hardly matter at this point.
Again, I do not care one way or the other.
Your statement that a ban on gay marriage cannot be won on facts is interesting. The same could be said about Obama's economic policy.
Guy
Obama has the model of FDR's programs which worked. He has Eisenhower's Interstate Highway program. The space program. The Blue Ridge Parkway is also a model.
Your party doesn't have a plan.
POV, the problem you have with your last post is that FDR's policies failed. They prolonged the depression because he wanted to pay for his Porkulas package. You are never going to understand that no matter the value of the infrastructure that he created, he hurt the economy.
I have finally been convinced that you truly do not understand the difference.
Guy
Show me a respected historian or economist that agrees with you.
No heiratige site bullshit or some on trying to sell a book or tee shirt.
Give me some facts to backup you myths.
I can and have seen for myself the sucess of FDR's visiion Social Security alone makes your argument nonsense.
Pure capitialism can be as bad as pure socialism.
POV,
Henry Morganthau, Secretary of Treasury for FDR. He said this in 1939:
"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and now if I am wrong somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosper. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. I say after eight years of this administration, we have just as much unemployment as when we started. And enormous debt to boot."
IS FDR's treasury secretary a good enough source for you?
Another great speech (or the transcript of a speech) that I found is here:
http://www.academia.org/campus_reports/2002/summer_2002_3.html
Though, the guy claims to be a conservative...so I am sure this is a biased case, and besides whatever reason he uses, it will go uncredited by you POV.
Oatz, you asked "Tell me-- Why are liberals always so shocked to find out that Americans are good people?"
You have asked the right question and it goes to the heart of many Liberals' pathology.
Having been a raving Liberal once in a past life, I know them as well as anyone.
Most angry Liberals are still intelectually in their adolescent stage. During that stage, as the advanced intellect is forming, there is a discovery that adults are not perfect. When this happens, they feel betrayed, become angry, and in their new found cognitive abilities began to believe themselves to be smarter than anyone else. They hate the hypocrisy of those who tried to form their values and thus they become convinced that America does not deserve respect.
Unfortunately, unlike we Conservatives, they never grow out of that adolescent rage.
Show me a respected historian or economist that agrees with you. - POV
In addition to the information Matt gave you, you might want to check out the works of Dr. Thomas Sowell, Jim Powll, Gary Best, and Gene Smiley.
Thank you Matt, for your input.
Oatz:
You are such an old windbag!
Blogger said Oatz asked:""Tell me-- Why are liberals always so shocked to find out that Americans are good people?"
You've all heard me rant about honest debate. Oatz' question goes to the heart of the matter. Blogger's answer is a good one but my observation is that it doesn't really matter what the answer is. Until the left lets go of this disdain for Conservatives (not just Conservative ideas), honest debate is not possible. The premises are all out of whack. This thread is a great example. Notice that Liberal POV equates being against gay marriage with being anti-gay. That's ludicrous! I have gay friends that don't support gay marriage. They aren't anti gay. That doesn't fit the Liberal's point of view. It's not even considered. If you are already convinced that Conservatives are uncaring discompassionate people then it's easy to leap to the illogical conclusion that if you are against gay marriage then you are just being mean. That's a shame because it prevents a dialog that could produce a solution that would benefit all.
Gregg
If your Gay friends don't believe in gay marriage they shouldn't get married, but they have no more right then you to make that desision for another couple.
We liberals believe in freedom.
Guy
Do you want to give me a link to a quote to support your myth?
Matt The depression was still going in 1939 and Henry Morganthau, Secretary of Treasury for FDR didn't have the hind site of history modern historians now have.
We may not have won world war ii without FDR's vision or we may have gone socialist if FDR had not created the social programs he did.
Lib,
You couldn't have missed the point any farther if you tried, did you?
Thanks for proving that honest debate isn't possible.
Well I guess now 42 is OLD? I tell everyone that I am 21 years young with 21 years experience. I would love to get all my news from the Main News media outlets, but they all get tingly feelings about Obama running down their legs. 2008 was the year objective news reporting DIED.
Liberals jumping off the Obama Express from Newsweek(does this count as main stream Anony?).
http://www.newsweek.com/id/191393?ref=patrick.net
POV,
If we would have done nothing the economy would have eventually recovered too.
The point of that quote was...spending all that money got them nowhere except in debt. There is no evidence that it got us out faster than doing nothing, and Henry Morganthau, (and many others) expected their money to change things around faster. It obviously did not.
Grumpy old men
Here's a good example why Republicans shouldn't run the country.
We have well documented heroic success of FDR and Republicans refuse to see this great lesson in history.
You are digging for a very small decenting voice of revisionist politically motivated opportunist to support you weak arguments.
Republicans are poor leaders because they never admit to a mistake so they can never learn from a mistake.
FDR spending all that money gave us the greatest achievements in the last half of the twentieth century any society in the history of mankind.
You grunpy old men have gone from being silly to being foolish.
I don't know much about Henry Morganthau never heard of him until this post.
It appears he was wrong then and you are wrong now.
Give me a respectible historian or respected economist to support your myth.
The biggest problem with you grumpy old men is what you think you know just ain't so.
Liberal POV said "I don't know much about Henry Morganthau never heard of him until this post.
It appears he was wrong then and you are wrong now." Now you asked for economists view Guy gives you The Sec Treas for FDR quote. You dismiss it out of hand and are too LAZY to Google the info for yourself. Call us Grumpy OLD men and deride our thoughts, but fail to read and LEARN for yourself. I really want you Liberal POV to stop hitting yourself in the head with that hammer(self imposed ignorance)it will feel so good when you stop (Learn). Roll up the prayer rug and stop chanting Obama, Obama, Obama, Hope and Change.
Oatz and other Grumpy Old Men
Sure I reject Henry Morganthau out right as his quote is 70 years old and made during the great depression without the prospective of history. Many of the New deal projects where still under construction and incomplete.
Mr Henry Morganthau had not seen the Nazis defeated with
the infastructure build during the New Deal.
Mr Henry Morganthau had not seen how social security would change thelives of the elderly or that or children who had lost a parent before adulthood.
He had not traveled down the Blue Ridge Parkway.
He had not seen how the REA would bring electricty to rural America.
Oatz I'm twenty years older then you in age not attitude and I have hepersonal stories of both set of grandparents as to FDR success.
Find historical prospective to support your nonsense.
Oatz and other Grumpy Old Men
Sure I reject Henry Morganthau out right as his quote is 70 years old and made during the great depression without the prospective of history. Many of the New deal projects where still under construction and incomplete.
Mr Henry Morganthau had not seen the Nazis defeated with
the infastructure build during the New Deal.
Mr Henry Morganthau had not seen how social security would change thelives of the elderly or that or children who had lost a parent before adulthood.
He had not traveled down the Blue Ridge Parkway.
He had not seen how the REA would bring electricty to rural America.
Oatz I'm twenty years older then you in age not attitude and I have hepersonal stories of both set of grandparents as to FDR success.
Find historical prospective to support your nonsense.
So according to POV in his answer to Oatz, history should NOT include the words of the actual players...ONLY grandparents.
Sark
I will type slow for you.
Sure I reject Henry Morganthau out right as his quote is 70 years old and made during the great depression without the prospective of history. Many of the New Deal projects where still under construction and incomplete.
Mr Henry Morganthau had not seen the Nazis defeated with
the infrastructure built during the New Deal.
Mr Henry Morganthau had not seen how social security would change the lives of the elderly or that or children who had lost a parent before adulthood.
He had not traveled down the Blue Ridge Parkway.
He had not seen how the REA would bring electricity to rural America.
POV,
So according to POV in his answer to Oatz, history should NOT include the words of the actual players...ONLY grandparents.
Sark
Can you provide a quote from a well know economist or historian to support your weak argument that FDR failed?
If FDR's programs where ineffective why do we still have so many still in play some 70 years later?
I did watch part of Frontline last night when they were discussing the Bush Prescription Drug Bill that was a wind fall to the drug industry that will cost more than the Iraq war and social security. Unlike Social Security no tax was put in place to fund the Prescription Drug Bill it is done solely on deficit spending. Republicans are just not fisically responsible. Just like the 12 page Republican Budget.
POV-
It is almost All government give-away programs that fail or operate in failure...weird you only pick the one with Bush's name on it.
Once the gov started giving Social Security to winos and druggies and clients of sleaze bag lawyers, it is in failure mode also.
POV-
Just Google "failures of FDR" and do your own research.
Sark
Social Security has been self supporting had government not dipped into the funds.
Bush never funded the Perscription Drug Bill which was about wind falls for the drug Industry not elderly.
More Failed Republican policy.
POV_
"Bush never funded the Perscription Drug Bill which was about wind falls for the drug Industry not elderly."-POV
For the first time, I would like to say you are right and that the plan was never funded (by Congress)...that is if you are right...which I will believe when I see it.
POV-
" Social Security has been self supporting had government not dipped into the funds."-POV
Compliments of a Democrat President LBJ and a Democrat Congress.
POV, first you wanted the names of historians and economists that believe FDR's policies hurt the economy and lengthened the depression. I provided them. Now you want links to this information. You can goggle them for yourself. If I send them to you, you will then want me to read them to you. After that you will interrupt and claim these people to be wrong with nothing more than your religious belief in Obama to support you. In any case some of these are books, so I do not know if you can link to the entire thing. No you cannot borrow my books. I never get them back. (Of course I keep the books I borrow way to long also. :))
As on a previous thread, you can obtain this information yourself. I am tired of having to give liberals everything they want and do not have because they are to lazy to put any effort in obtaining it for themselves. WE get information for ourselves all the time that both supports and is contentious with our opinions. This allows one to have an informed opinion. If you will get off your butt, you can do the same.
If you want quotes from well know economists that Obama' plans are not going to work, watch any program on Fox news. Just because you do not like them does not mean they do not use reliable sources. I also watch CNN for this reason.
Sark and other Grumpy Old Men
Googling" FDR" or" FDR New Deal" is an honest search
Googling "failures of FDR" is a biased search.
When I did the "failures of FDR" I found nothing creditable and neither do you or you would have posted.
No, POV, limiting a search is not biased. It is focused. You wanted comments that indicated the New Deal was a mistake. You can filter the comments to let you look at just those as you could for comments that say the New Deal accomplished its goals. You did not ask for those kinds of comments. As this is your side of the argument, it would seem logical to assume that you already had reviewed them. Are you saying you have not and your entire argument is your "gut feeling"? For God's sake, do some research. Do not expect everything to be given to you.
In any case, I gave you some names. You do not have to google the New Deal at all.
Just as idle curiosity, what constitutes something creditable in regard to something you do not agree with? Does it take a finger appearing out of thin air and writing something on the wall in flames? Is it possible for you to read something and say that makes sense?
Lib,
I seem to recall you suggesting I google "Bush Failures". Am I wrong?
Gregg
If I did it would be a bias search which I may have wanted you to see. Just search " Bush " and you will see plenty of anti Bush material well documented.
Did you find any reliable links to support the nonsense of FDR's failed presidency? How was he the only president in US history to serve three trems? Am I correct he was elected to a fouth term?
Most of the citizens of the United States must have liked his leadership.
Gregg, POV does not appear to want to do any personal research. You can do it for him/her if you want to. I refuse. When he/she will not answer questions except with evasions and will not even try to make a lucid comment, he/she can remain fat, dumb,and happy as far as I am concerned. We cannot help those that refuse to help themselves.
Guy
I did google the "failures of FDR" I found nothing creditable and neither do you or you would have posted.
I also dealt with FDR's Sec of Treasury, His quote was without the prospective of history.
Why Did FDR get elected to four terms and serve a little over three? The citizen of the United States loved FDR.
Why are so many of FDR's programs still helping Americans?
Why is the Blue Ridge Parkway a world treasure?
The TVA still supplies power to power our nation. The Grand Coolie Dam is still in use.
Now give me some as solid as this to support your myth and anti FDR propaganda.
Ok Liberal POV granted some of the items FDR spent money on are still around and are nice, still does not mitigate the fact that the Great Depression was prolonged by FDR's policies.
DVD's and I-pods for everyone! Yeah Obama puts a lot of thought into Presidential gifts to Foreign Leaders. Michelle doesn't act like a LADY by not doing a curtsy in front of the Queen of England.
Reading these posts, it's plain to see why the Repubs lost the last election, big time.
Observer your right too many people failed to properly vet Obama and now we all are paying for it.
Oatz
If you plan to trash Michelle Obama go for it and show the world how petty you really are.
I know who will lose on that one.
I noticed today her approval rating was 76% and disapproval 15% or less.
The world is in love with Michelle Obama.
Republicans have Ms Foxx and Foxie Sarah Palin.
So are you(Liberal POV) saying 76% approval rating means that Michelle is above showing respect?
Oatz
First let me correct my earlier statement. I did not mean to single you out as being petty for trying to trash Michelle Obama but Republicans.
Now your question with a question.
Why should the First Lady of the United States of America curtsy in front of the Queen of England?
Who makes these rules and what are they?
Polite society makes the rules. You remember like standing when a lady enters a room or looking someone in the eye when you shake their hand. Just Google Emily Post.
How do the ASU College Republicans know how many people are going to the "other side's" meetings? Also assuming the number is unknown how did they get the estimate of "as many as 10 times"? It would be interesting if they gave real numbers.
Or maybe they did and you just forgot to write it down, or maybe they did and you embellished, or maybe they didn't. Or maybe just maybe somethings are completely made up. Just maybe.
Blogger
Can anyone sell tee shirts are this tea party? I may want a piece of that action.
You capitalist pig!
POV-
" Can anyone sell tee shirts are this tea party? I may want a piece of that action."-POV
No, one has to believe in capitalism to sell T-shirts.
Sark
I have to attend this event and watch this marketing in action.
Blogger
This Tea Party deal is very Republican answers to todays complex problems that will fit on a tee shirt or bumper sticker. You could almost get the Republican Budget on a tee shirt. What leadership and statemanship.
Be Republican thinking not required.
Lib,
The tea party thing worked pretty well 200+ years ago.
Here's a site for you where you can get all the Liberal tee shirts and bumper stickers you want.
Gregg
200 years ago the organizers's agenda wan't to sell tee-shirts and the signers of The Consttution were thinkers and had a plan beyond what would fit on a bumper or tee shirt.
POV, if selling tee shirts are the only reason the left is concerned with the tea parties, why are you bothered at all. Could it be your real concern is that these nonpartisan gatherings do not help with your desire for big government? After all, gatherings that want to organize methods to cut wasteful government spending, taxes, and intrusion into the individual's life are not considered " progressive". However, they are logical, moral, and good for the country.
Guy
What is their plan to pay for the Wars they wanted? What is the plan to pay for education, EMS, Health Care,For the basic of life for all of those out of work because of failed Republican economics?
I too dislike paying taxes espeacially those going for a war I disagree with.
Those at the top who have increased their wealth by over $ 300 billion often with taxpayer money or money that should have gone to shareholders of the banks and other large corporation they managed need to pay a much larger percentage of income.
"What is their plan to pay for the Wars they wanted"-Lib
Who the hell "want's" war? Are you referring to "The Iraq Liberation Act 0f 1998" H.R. 4655? Or maybe the unilateral, non UN approved actions of the Clinton administration.
Excuse me POV, but what did your last post have to do with tea parties and tee shirts? You claim they are trivial. I think they serve a valuable organizational purpose. We might discuss your concerns about specifics at the tea party or organize other meetings to do so. I think that is what frightens you.
Hey Faulkes:
Are they serving nice cookies at your tea party?
Pocket, come and see.
Pocket, come and see.
How do the ASU College Republicans know how many people are going to the "other side's" meetings? Also assuming the number is unknown how did they get the estimate of "as many as 10 times"? It would be interesting if they gave real numbers.
Or maybe they did and you just forgot to write it down, or maybe they did and you embellished, or maybe they didn't. Or maybe just maybe somethings are completely made up. Just maybe.
What other side?
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