"I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."
-Robert Byrd (during the debate on integrating the armed services)
62 comments:
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
But he loved his dog Billy. Do you think he requested a hood on his shroud?
Conservatives
What nasty people make up the conservative movement!
You can go back nearly seventy years to find something to smear Senator Byrd dead public servant?
Byrd was able to grow and overcome his prejudices dating back 40 to 70 years ago unlike those posting here on a recent post calling The President of the United States BOY.
The Civil Rights movement freed a lot of us from bigotry and we can now reconize it whether against blacks, gays, Muslims, undocumented American residents or just low income American citizens.
Sorry most of you have not been freed of such wasted energy and anger.
" In the Senate in 1964, he filibustered landmark civil rights legislation, siding with Southern states rights senators.
But he later expressed regret and emerged as a champion of civil rights. In the last presidential election of his lifetime, he was an enthusiastic supporter of Obama."
"The West Virginian, a colourful gentleman from a bygone age, punctuated stem-winding speeches with memorised quotes from the US Constitution, a copy of which he carried in his pocket, the Bible, Shakespeare and ancient history."
Byrd was famous for 2 things.
Being a Klucker, and binging home the bacon to West Virginia, which means he took money for taxpayers in other states and sent it home to keep his job.
Yeah, other politicians do the same, but none has ever taken as much as Byrd from the American people.
I and other also find it insulting how you lefties so easily "forgive" transgressions of your confederates, but crucify the opposing party for any impropriety.
Don't tell me you wouldn't want Byrd crucified if he was a Republican and a klan member.
Which makes you a hypocrite.
Lib,
I'll give you this much: I did hesitate for a half second before posting this thread.
You say I "smear" Byrd, I do no such thing. I said "RIP" in the title and I picked a good picture. I offered no commentary just his own words. He made his own legacy.
It's sad that you (like Byrd) see the everything in terms race. Wolf's comment was innocent and you contrive racism. That's despicable. You don't get to hijack language.
Tell me LPOV, did you even READ Byrd's quote?
What do you think a man who says such things actually thought of Obama?
HD
Would my post make you feel better if I edit Wolf's comment?
Conservatives
What nasty people make up the conservative movement!
You can go back nearly seventy years to find something to smear Senator Byrd dead public servant?
Byrd was able to grow and overcome his prejudices dating back 40 to 70 years ago.
The Civil Rights movement freed a lot of us from bigotry and we can now reconize it whether against blacks, gays, Muslims, undocumented American residents or just low income American citizens.
Sorry most of you have not been freed of such wasted energy and anger.
" In the Senate in 1964, he filibustered landmark civil rights legislation, siding with Southern states rights senators.
But he later expressed regret and emerged as a champion of civil rights. In the last presidential election of his lifetime, he was an enthusiastic supporter of Obama."
"The West Virginian, a colourful gentleman from a bygone age, punctuated stem-winding speeches with memorised quotes from the US Constitution, a copy of which he carried in his pocket, the Bible, Shakespeare and ancient history."
Wolf
"Being a Klucker, and binging home the bacon to West Virginia, which means he took money for taxpayers in other states and sent it home to keep his job."
In the entire history of West Virginia how many political leaders have delivered to the state of West Virginia?
Don't you think it was time this state of coal mines and depressed mountain towns got a break?
Florida, California, and New York can't always get the money.
"Would my post make you feel better if I edit Wolf's comment?" -LiberalPOV
No, I feel fine. However, you would feel better if you had the spine to call a spade a spade, party be damned.
Wolf
You have posted lots of things here that will embarrass your grandchildren in the future.
Do you want someone going back to this blog 70 years from now to find the dumbest thing you ever posted to post on the internet before your buried? Only nasty people would do something like that.
Lib,
I can't speak for the Wolf but if I were he I would be proud. Just a suggestion, don't let any of your descendants know about this blog.
HD
"No, I feel fine. However, you would feel better if you had the spine to call a spade a spade, party be damned."
Was Byrd wrong nearly seventy years ago absolutely. Was I wrong before the Civil Rights movement absolutly!
Did you experience that light bulb moment when you understood the meaning of human rights, civil rights,and justice?
That was the civil rights experience for me.
The post I read here suggest most of you don't know the meaning of the word justice and justice is what civil rights is about whether undocumented residents, low income citizens, gays, or Muslims.
Lib,
Race, gender, sexual orientation or income level mean nothing to me when judging character and forming opinions. Nothing. I can't relate to your bigotry.
To liberals, justice has become a euphemism for preferential treatment and civil rights have become collective rights. They have little concept of individul rights unlss it favors one of their political icons.
Nonny,
Well said!
Liberal Socialist Sheep POV,
If you like folks who stand for civil rights and against racism then how come you never mention Charleton Heston who marched BESIDE MLK when it wasn't politically correct to do so. If being a bigot or racist were politically correct right now, you would be a racist and a bigot. I doubt you have ever had an independent thought in your pathetic life.
Byrd was a klan member who changed his ways not because he believed he was wrong, but to get re-elected. Your short memory is perfect for liberal socialist lemming liberals who think based on the moment, not on what is right or just. LOL!!!
That was fun
Your ole pal
Johnny Rico
PS Stings don't it?
In less than a year, one murdering misogynist and one High Muckity Muck Klansman at the Pearly Gates. St Peter's busy blocking the door.
One can be forgiven for mistakes in one's life, but in my humble opinion, murderers and Klansmen should not then excel to such prominence in society. They can live, be family men, work to earn their keep, but not become representatives of society. If, as Kennedy and Byrd, they do, then they carry that legacy in public for ever. Those that helped them excel to such prominence should continually be chastised for their deed... especially if in Byrd's case they chose money (bring home the bacon) over right.
Sark
"In less than a year, one murdering misogynist and one High Muckity Muck Klansman at the Pearly Gates. St Peter's busy blocking the door."
Your knowledge of worldly current events is viewed with a narrow minded, misinformed, self interest, angry filter, how would know what St Peter might do?
Do you really believe God has your worldly view of humanity and is materialistic?
Which of your Republican or conservative political or fear media friends do you consider perfect?
POV- Start with the ones who are NOT murdering misogynists or High Muckety Mucks in the Klan, then work from there.
"Which of your Republican or conservative political or fear media friends do you consider perfect?"-POV
Speaking for myself and not Sark,
"how would know what St Peter might do?" LPOV
Do you?
"Do you really believe God has your worldly view of humanity and is materialistic?" LPOV
Of course not. He believes in homosexuality, murdering children because they are inconvenient, that blowing yourself up with a school bus full of kindergardners earns you a paradise with 72 virgins, that stealing from someone and giving to someone else to make you feel better is just, that keeping blacks in ghettoes because they "can't take compete against the whites" isn't bigotry and that Obama is the best thing since Karl Marx.
Wolf
So much for a real discussion.
"So much for a real discussion." LiberalPOV
COP OUT!
Conservaatives
You can tell the this senator is earning his sugar money.
Still waiting for an answer there Socialst Sheep POV. To busy Baaaaaaaaing I guess!!!! LOL!!!
Your ole pal
Johnny Rico
PS Baaaaaa. That's Socialist Sheep talk and it says "I won". LOL!!
Sark: You suggest that Klansmen shouldn't "excel to such prominence in society."
Is it the costume that should keep people out of the Senate, or is it their hateful beliefs? I'm just wondering if you just detest sheets and hoods or if you've recently decided to actively oppose all politicians with established histories of racism.
A'mous- Many have some form of racism in their make-up. Especially bleeding heart liberals. Becoming a Grand Poobear in the KKK puts you in a class of your own.
Have you ever been a Klansman? Has your date ever "drowned" in your car while you ran away , slept, called your lawyers, bought a whip-lash collar, and arranged for no autopsy to be performed?
No? If you had, do you believe you should become known as the "Lion of the Senate" and whatever Byrd was called?
Apparently YOU don't know the answer to your own question, as you probably supported Byrd and certainly Kennedy.
A Question for all:
With everyday the president becomes more and more linked with the Blagojevich corruption scandal. His involvement is already at a level that would have tried, convicted and impeached a Republican president.
If public opinion and the fourth estate(the media) will not allow the first black attorney general to investigate the conduct of the first black president, do any of us have civil rights?
If America has no respect for the rule of law, are we even still a country?
Disturbing and important questions Cinncinatus.
With news breaking now from a whistle blower about Attorney General Holder dropping the charges against the New Black Panthers for voter intimidation all of our rights are in jeopardy.
These are very dangerous times.
Actually, Sark, I've never supported or cared for Byrd or any other person who has, at any time, agreed to surround themselves with persons who attempt to advance their own warped sense of truth, freedom or justice through an association with any group that seeks to leverage fear and ignorance to achieve their racist goals.
That said, your original posturing regarding those who have been members of the Klan still stands, as does my question regarding whether your distain stems simply from their choice of fashion or from their choice to act as racists.
So have you chosen to oppose all politicians who have acted as racists in their past, or does your newfound sense of morality and propriety only apply to Democrats?
Actually A'mous, my original posturing mentioned "High Muchity Muck in the Klan". A Leader in the Klan.
YOU have to lie to attempt to make your point: "Actually, Sark, I've never supported or cared for Byrd or any other person who has, at any time, agreed to surround themselves with persons who attempt to advance their own warped sense of truth, freedom or justice through an association with any group that seeks to leverage fear and ignorance to achieve their racist goals."
If you were just trying to be "cute", you have failed miserably.
Sark: No lie involved. Merely 30 minutes after the post you cited, you wrote this:
"One can be forgiven for mistakes in one's life, but in my humble opinion, murderers and Klansmen should not then excel to such prominence in society. They can live, be family men, work to earn their keep, but not become representatives of society."
No mention of the need to be any type of Klan leader to meet your newfound criteria for dissqualification.....just a matter of membership.
So I again ask you to clarify whether it's the initiation ceremony, the funny "HI, my name is" nametags and the floppiness of the silly hoods that cheeses you off, or if it is the beliefs and deeds of evil and cowardly racists that now seem to raise your ire.
Further, I wonder if that ire is now equally, sincerely and non-hypocritically felt for all racists, or if you just hop on that particular soap box when it comes to Democrats.
A'mous- As we were discusssing BYRD, who was a High Muckity Muck it the Klan, and I threw in The murdering misogynist Kennedy for clarity, I can say I was clear. You go to great lengths to defend Byrd from his distractors, yet you lie and say you didn't support him. Liberalism is a lie, you can't help it, lying is a characteristic of liberalism.
Sark: I've never, in thought, writing or speech, supported, defended or even spoken kindly of Robert Byrd.
I find anyone's brand of racism, regardless of how long ago it may have been displayed, or how convincingly it may now be wrapped in hollow patriotism, religious zeal, freedom or "tradition," to be a disgusting, insulting, low-class, demeaning and inhumane example of poor upbringing that's unquestionably unworthy of respect, much less actual votes.
I'd hoped you'd muster the integrity to join me in such an all-inclusive declaration, free of technical nuance that would afford you the slithering room to maintain support of non-Klan member racists or racists who happen to be members of any party other than the Democrats. Silly me.
Apparantly, you're just peachy keen with racists so long as they weren't Democrats who may have been elected the local Klan Chapter Social Chair by Cooter and Cletus.
Way to bravely stand up for what you believe, Sark.
Bitter Conservatives
Former President Clinton just gave Senator Robert Byrd a wonderful send off.
The late Senator Byrd was born in Wilkes County, NC.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/members/b001210/
POV- You are right, Clinton sent Byrd off with one a Clinton lie. He said Byrd had a fleeting interest in the Klan just to get elected. What a lie.
A'mous- Think how warped you are. You attack someone attacking Grand Poobear Byrd for his life of bigotry, by calling me a racist. Liberalism really rots the brain...
It is amazing how Clinton lies with such ease.
Sark,
In the liberal mind anyone who opposes any policy of Obama is a racist. The same is true of anyone who opposes affirmative action or loaning money to a minority that doesn't qualify for a loan. Ditto if one doesn't believe poor black people are inherently incapable of success or doesn't like a hyphenated America. Also, only racist listen to the racist Rush. If you think George Allen or Trent Lott are not racist then you are racist. If you think the infamous Jesse Helms ad against Harry Gantt was not racist then you're a racist. If you don't think Clarence Thomas is an "Uncle Tom" then you are a racist. Same with Colin Powell. If you criticize Bill Clinton (the first black President) for telling Ted Kennedy that Obama would've been serving them coffee a few years ago then you are racist. If you've ever uttered the words "boy" or "monkey" in any context then you are a racist. If you object to blacks using "nigger" as a term of affection amongst themselves but justification for a hate crime if said by a white man then you're a racist.
You must be a closet racist who excuses Republicans and demonizes KKK Democrats solely because they're Democrats.
Just asking you to join me in denouncing racism, Sark. I'd honestly hoped you could allow yourself to extend your proclaimation regarding Klansmen not deserving to hold office to include all other ignorant, hateful, backward, cowardly and destructive racists as well. But, for some reason, you just can't get there.
Should we protect and support certain racist politicians so long as they did not join the Klan in the 1930's? Do current-day, non-Klan member racist politicians deserve to, as you say, "become representatives of society?"
I did not refer to you as a racist, Sark. However, whether it's your intent or not, you're really coming across on this particular thread as a guy who'd go to extreme lengths to properly couch and finely specify the terms and conditions under which he'd speak out against racism, racists and organized groups that systemically use the politics of fear and ignorance to further their racially hateful and hurtful causes.
Why is it so hard for you to simply say that racists don't deserve to "represent society" as elected officials?
Well said H.D. But what a weird post for A'mous to make his comments under. Maybe it was as I wrote, he was just trying to be cute. It just comes across as more off-base than most liberal misconceptions.
Attack someone attacking a Klansman (Byrd for A'mous) by calling the Klansman's (Byrd for A'mous) attacker (Sarkazien) a racist for attacking the Klansman (Byrd for A'mous)
A'mous you wrote-"Why is it so hard for you to simply say that racists don't deserve to "represent society" as elected officials?"
You make your points and I'll make mine. Focus A'mous, I was discussing the Grand Kiegle Byrd. The murdering misogynist Kennedy was just thrown in for clarity.
"Why is it so hard for you to simply say that racists don't deserve to "represent society" as elected officials?" Nonny
Very telling. Forgive me for butting in but I won't say racist don't deserve to represent society. Anyone who can get the votes deserves to hold office. I will say they don't deserve the votes. The votes DO represent society, that's the point. A racist society will elect racist politicians. That's why it's the Democrats that elect racist.
A'mous wrote-"Just asking you to join me in denouncing racism, Sark."
Liberalism is racism... the soft bigotry of low expectations. I have denounced it often.
I agree Sark. I understand that a funeral is no place to denounce racism even if the deceased was a KKK poobah but I didn't expect Clinton and Obama to go out of their way to excuse it. The Nonny irony is they excused him SOLELY because he was a Democrat.
Deny it Nonny.
Haven't seen the funeral, but I'll blindly grant that Democratic politicians likely lauded the guy for his tenure and his loyalty to the party, regardless of his bigoted ways. Most likely, they conducted themselves as Republicans did at Strom Thurmond's funeral, which I'd find to be disgusting.
No denial at all, HD. That said, I still don't understand why it's so difficult for some here to broadly denounce racism and renounce their support of any politician who exhibits it.
Is the desire to support and defend racist politicians really THAT strong among the contributors to this blog? That would really surprise disappoint me.
That should be "surprise and disappoint me."
Another fine example of a liberal's inability to discern:
Strom Thurmund, a segregationist...as many were in the South. I believe it was the law in some places.
Robert Byrd, Grand Keigle in the Klan ( a terrorist organization including murder and arson ) as few were in the South.
""surprise and disappoint me." Another lie.
Clinton is just one of those known liars (convicted), that even though he is extra good at it, not mentioning Byrd's KKK successes would have sounded better... he just can't help it. I think he impresses himself the bigger the lie. A strange form of self-gratification.
Wasn't Strom Thurmond a Democrat when he was a segregationist?
"No denial at all, HD. That said, I still don't understand why it's so difficult for some here to broadly denounce racism and renounce their support of any politician who exhibits it." -Nonny
Since you changed the parameters: I broadly denounce racism and renounce my support of any politician who exhibits it. There feel better?
Note: I do not define racism as described in my post July 2, 2010 3:04 PM.
Thanks, HD. It's comforting to see that even a pinko like me can find a point of agreement with at least one contributor here.
And to be fair and clear, I really do believe that Sark agrees as well. I do not believe he's a racist. I just think that he, like me, finds it difficult, at times, to admit to agreeing on anything with someone with whom he almost always disagrees.
A'mous- Still, a weird post to make such a comment as yours under. HE WAS A GRAND KEGAL in the Klan.
To me, many times more significant than "...someone with whom he almost always disagrees."
It appears it is YOU, like you say, that finds it difficult....yadayada... but don't speak for me. You just admitted you will falsely attack someone (cheapening racism, bigotry, and prejudice) for political effect. That is a Liberal/pinco characteristic. You just admitted you are part of it. Don't project on me...speak for yourself.
So much hate and bile, Sark. It's just sad, man. When I see that someone can't come out and say that he'll refuse to support any racist politician, regardless of that pol's party, it just makes me feel sorry. I sincerely hope you'll eventually allow yourself to rise above the apparent darkness of your upbringing.
"And to be fair and clear, I really do believe that Sark agrees as well. I do not believe he's a racist."-A'mous
"When I see that someone can't come out and say that he'll refuse to support any racist politician, regardless of that pol's party, it just makes me feel sorry."-A'mous
Such a liar... typical liberal. But you are not even good at it.
"So much hate and bile, Sark. It's just sad, man. "-A'mous.
The hate and bile, is you defending Byrd by attacking his distractors. Bile is you calling someone a racist even though, as you admit, you know he's not. Then after you get spanked, you come back and try it again.. that would be the "hate" part. Again you attempt to project your mind-set onto me.
Sad, sad Sark. While it's unlikely that any amount of typed hatred will ever completely ease the pain of Paw's whoopin's or Lulabelle's spurnings, I'm just happy for everone within scope range of a Texas clock tower that you've chosen to utilize a safe outlet like "A Watauga Conservative" to try to work out your many demons.
Keep pluggin' away, Buckeroo.
I was wondering, how many democrats did Byrd recruit for the KKK while he was in the Congress?
Bet it was more than a few.
I see Nonymouse has stooped to personal attacks when loosing his argument with Sark. This liberal tactic informs Sark he won the debate.
Thank you Guy Faulkes. That was a pretty sound beating for A'mous. I must have hit a real sore spot.
See, Daddy. I got 'em. Do you love me now?
Watching A'mous evolve into BikerBard.
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