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Friday, January 28, 2011

2010 Porker of the Year


VOTE FOR PORKER OF THE YEAR

You probably will be asked to join the cause, but you don't have to. In the interest of disclosure, I am a member. It is a significant organization.

40 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hi,

I begin on internet with a directory

Sarkazein said...

I pick Nelson, because he knew he was so wrong he lied about the Governor. Misery loves company.

My write-in vote was Pelosi. She brought the bacon home to herself.

guy faulkes said...

I picked Wasserman because she is the epitome of a liberal that would rather climb a tree to tell a lie rather than stand on the ground to tell the truth.

The only people that spread more falsehoods about the economy are liberalproverbs18:2 and Obama.

Liberal POV said...

Conservatives

"Facts on Corporate Welfare
Posted on February 25, 2002

Average taxpayers pick up an expensive tab for corporate welfare expenditures. Government spending for corporate welfare programs far exceeds government spending for social programs.

Fact: Spending for corporate welfare programs outweighs spending for low-income programs by more than three to one: $167 billion to $51.7 billion (source: Aid for Dependent Corporations, from the Corporate Welfare Project and How Much Do We Spend on Welfare?, from the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, FY 95 figures)

Fact: Total federal spending on a safety net for the poor costs the average taxpayer about $400 a year, while spending on corporate welfare programs costs the same taxpayer about $1400 a year. (source: CBO figures)"

http://www.ombwatch.org/node/341


Who receives the most corporate welfare?

The contenders are:

Wal-Mart

http://www.progress.org/2005/tcs179.htm

http://www.progress.org/2004/corpw37.htm

Anonymous said...

I am opposed to what is normally called "corporate welfare". This is the first time however, that I have seen the public highway going to corporate offices being referred to this way.

I suppose one could argue that King Street is 'corporate welfare' for all the businesses located there.

Sarkazein said...

Most "corporate welfare" is tax deductions and some grants. This is a made up term by leftists to equate tax cuts with hand-outs. (Not to consider today's welfare to GMC and others) It is said they have to pay it back, to make it equal, get the other welfare recipients to pay theirs back also. If we got rid of both welfare and the made up phrase "corporate welfare'' BOTH, I'm all for it. Pass fewer laws, let Congress meet every two years for two weeks and we could get there. If there are crazy people trying to pass laws all year long effecting my company, you have to lobby, you have to get the special tax cuts where you can, and you have to keep Congress from legislating you out of business.

Anonymous said...

Is this corporate welfare?

http://highcountrypress.com/weekly/2011/01-27-11/location-of-watauga-farmers.htm#idc-cover


Probably not, since the liberals seem to like it. I guess it's only corporate welfare if it's going to a company you don't like.

Liberal POV said...

Anonymous

I do think the corporations that have the power and wealth of nations is closer to what I would call corporate welfare not Ms Hayes who sells jelly her daughter and granddaughter make. they all have modest incomes and lifestyles. No one is making a living off of what they sell in the few hours at the Farmers Market.The most they do is supplement their incomes and most have other full time low wage jobs.
You conservatives are so out of touch with real people.

Conservatives like you are never the friend of working Americans like Ms Hayes who in her eightys continues to be productive and makes damn good Kraut.
One other thing anonymous if you ever go to the Farmer's Market pay attention to how pleasant the people there are a few may even be Republicans.

Liberal POV said...

Anonymous

"This is the first time however, that I have seen the public highway going to corporate offices being referred to this way.

I suppose one could argue that King Street is 'corporate welfare' for all the businesses located there."

Do you think these highways add to the common good?

Who should be taxed to pay for these projects?

Low wage workers or the wealthiest who benefit most from the wealth generated by the infrastructure investment of the State for this commerce?

Anonymous said...

I am not sure that I understand whatever point it is that you are trying to make POV, but I will attempt to respond to what I think your posts are saying.

First, I go to the Farmer's Market almost every week during the season. Your attempts to insult me reflect only on you, not on me. You have not the slightest idea of my political affiliation nor of how I relate to "working people".

Secondly, to attempt to answer what I think you asked in your second post, I can only say that
yes, highways, including King Street, add to the common good.

As to who should be taxed to pay for the highways, I think that the burden is borne by all taxpayers. I understand that the tax on gasoline is supposed to be earmarked for highway maintenance and construction.

What do you suggest? Toll roads? Only the business on King Street should be taxed to pay for King Street?

You really aren't making a lot of sense.

guy faulkes said...

I took the liberty of re-posting an item presented by Anonymous. Liberalproverbs18:2 must have missed it.

Top 20 Contributors to the Obama Campaign
University of California $1,591,395
Goldman Sachs $994,795
Harvard University $854,747
Microsoft Corp $833,617
Google Inc $803,436
Citigroup Inc $701,290
JPMorgan Chase & Co $695,132
Time Warner $590,084
Sidley Austin LLP $588,598
Stanford University $586,557
National Amusements Inc $551,683
UBS AG $543,219
Wilmerhale Llp $542,618
Skadden, Arps et al $530,839
IBM Corp $528,822
Columbia University $528,302
Morgan Stanley $514,881
General Electric $499,130
US Government $494,820
Latham & Watkins $493,835


The President of the United States is just a pawn put in place by the corporate world. International corporations, the federal reserve and other private banks.

Liberal POV claiming that corporations influence conservatives but not liberals proves he has brown eyes because they are the result of him being so full of crap.

Liberal POV said...

Anonymous

Its simple those that benefit most should pay the most unfortunately the wealthy and politically powerful have used their political power for tax cut after tax cut creating the current deficit, and reduced services to society as underfunding the social safety net, schools, and over funding military and corporate welfare.

This political power has been used to reduce any sharing political power with the bottom sixty percent of American. Union busting or the destruction of the ACORN organization with lies and false video.

Why would support additional power to the most powerful, Insurance, Banking, Wall Street, Sugar, pharmaceuticals, military contractor?

G.I.G said...

LPOV, you posted "No one is making a living off of what they sell in the few hours at the Farmers Market.The most they do is supplement their incomes and most have other full time low wage jobs."

You commonly demand facts to back up posts here. I will follow your lead, prove to the readership here that you can produce W'2 or 1099 forms showing that the people selling goods at the farmers markets all have low paying jobs besides the market.

What do you consider low paying 50k annually 40, 30, 20 ? What qualifies as lowing paying to your standard. I will now do as you I demand you prove your statement.

guy faulkes said...

Liberalproverbs18;2, your post had absolutely nothing to do with Anonymous' post. You have no rebuttal.

Liberal POV said...

GIG

Liberal POV

"The most they do is supplement their incomes and most have other full time low wage jobs."

Notice the word MOST not the word All.

GIG's comment

"I will follow your lead, prove to the readership here that you can produce W'2 or 1099 forms showing that the people selling goods at the farmers markets all have low paying jobs besides the market. "

Notice the ALL not most.

"What do you consider low paying 50k annually 40, 30, 20 ? What qualifies as lowing paying to your standard. I will now do as you I demand you prove your statement."

A family income of about $60,000 is required for a modest living wage.

No I don't have access to the Watauga County Farmer's Market vendors W'2 or 1099 but doubt few exceed the Republican claim of $250,000 annually as middle class.

These are the people that make up positive capitalism not the corporate gaint Capitalist who have more wealth then many nations and no allegiance to America or the American people.

These are not the capitalist that bought the last election for the Republican Party or should I say bought the American political system.

Anonymous said...

POV - please provide your source and the factual basis for your claim that "MOST" of the vendors have full time low paid jobs.

You post that those who 'benefit the most should pay the most' (taxes)....You do know that the top income earners in this country are currently paying about 90% of the income tax and the bottom 40% of "taxpayers" don't pay ANY federal income tax?

And, you said
These are the people that make up positive capitalism not the corporate gaint Capitalist who have more wealth then many nations and no allegiance to America or the American people.

But, in capitalism, the government does not pay your rent for your business. To succeed in business, you must be able to compete in the free market.

It's pretty clear that you have not thought out your various positions very well. You talk yourself into a corner and then change the argument to another issue.

And, to argue that

Anonymous said...

and to argue that building or improving a highway that carries a significant amount of traffic is somehow 'corporate welfare' shows just how ridiculous your various positions are.

Blogger said...

Boy you guys sure let the sneaky guy hijack this one fast. Suckers!

Liberal POV said...

Anonymous

"You post that those who 'benefit the most should pay the most' (taxes)....You do know that the top income earners in this country are currently paying about 90% of the income tax and the bottom 40% of "taxpayers" don't pay ANY federal income tax?"

The best way to fix the above is to increase the tax rate on the wealth American billionaires and also increase the wages of the workers.

If the billionaire tax rate increases to 50 to 60% they would have more incentive to ay the actual workers more who could then make enought to become taxpayers.

Look at the trends of the last 30 years. Do you approve of what's happening?

Anonymous said...

Yes POV
I think we all understand your position that the 'other guy' should be taxed and the money given to you.

My 10 year old daughter has a better understanding of economics than you do. And, she likes living in a capitalist country. She wants to keep it that way.

If I thought that she would be better off in a country like the one you envision, where government confiscates the wealth and controls the economy in every respect, I think I would move to Cuba. Have you considered it?

Liberal POV said...

Anonymous

"and to argue that building or improving a highway that carries a significant amount of traffic is somehow 'corporate welfare' shows just how ridiculous your various positions are."

Not all highways built carries a significant amount of traffic many of those are in Arkansas.

How long has it taken to get a four lane highway into Boone from South, East and West?

G.I.G said...

LPOV, I will make this even easier for you to prove you not full of smoke and mirrors. Please provide verifiable proof of one person that sells at the farmers market every week that has a low income job. I want to see you back up your claim with facts like you demand of others.

Blogger said...

Did we start talking about the farmer's market on this thread because they sell pork there?

guy faulkes said...

Blogger, I still think it is Wasserman. That is all I can do.

G.I.G said...

Blogger, Good one lol

Liberal POV said...

GIG

What's the point you want to make?

How many of the Watauga County Farmer's Market vendors do you believe have incomes at or below $60,000 that's required for a very modest living wage?

How many of the Watauga County Farmer's Market vendors do you believe exceed the Republican claim of $250,000 annually as middle class as their income?

These are the people that make up positive capitalism not the corporate gaint Capitalist who have more wealth then many nations and no allegiance to America or the American people.

Why do local Republicans side with people like the wall street billionaire who just made 5 BILLION dollars last year topping the his 2007 income of 4 Billion and has a tax rate of 15% and created no jobs?

This billionaires tax rate is lower than most wage earning Americans who have a living wage.

The Republicans are never the friend of working Americans.

Anonymous said...

*yawn*

G.I.G said...

LPOV, my point is time and time again you ask for proof of a statement or claim. I am just asking you to live up to what you ask for. Again please provide verifiable proof of your claim for at least one of the vendors at the Watauga farmers market. If not your no better then what you accuse others of.

Liberal POV said...

GIG

"LPOV, my point is time and time again you ask for proof of a statement or claim. I am just asking you to live up to what you ask for. "

I though this was clear it was my opinion and simple math which Republican don't seem to have much skill with.

Do the math, The Farmers Market is open for about 4 hours on Saturday mornings six months a year. How many venders could gross $1000.00 per hour at the Farmers Market as an average?

This would assume the cost of there product cost them at least 50% of the selling price.

Do you see anyone getting rich at these rates?

I have to ask about the next comment.

"please provide verifiable proof of your claim for at least one of the vendors at the Watauga farmers market. If not your no better then what you accuse others of."

Do I understand if I fail on this one post I'm reduced to the level of the conservative mob posting misinfromation, lies and slander here?

I will repeat my opinion based on simple math.

The most the Farmers Market vendors do is supplement their incomes and most have other full time low wage jobs. There not CEOs or investment bankers but working owner operater capitalist. They represent the best of capitalism.

A family income of about $60,000 is required for a modest living wage.

These are the people that make up positive capitalism not the corporate gaint Capitalist who have more wealth then many nations and no allegiance to America or the American people.

Why do local Republicans side with people like the wall street billionaire who just made 5 BILLION dollars last year topping the his 2007 income of 4 Billion and has a tax rate of 15% and created no jobs?

This billionaires tax rate is lower than most wage earning Americans who have a living wage.

The Republicans are never the friend of working Americans.

G.I.G said...

LOPV, You posted this as a factual statement "No one is making a living off of what they sell in the few hours at the Farmers Market.The most they do is supplement their incomes and most have other full time low wage jobs."

You made that post with no disclaimer that it was just your malformed opinion. You again took it upon your self to speak for others.

You have tried to speak for me in the past as well to no avail and were completely wrong. I again ask for the proof of your original statement.

By the way you have yet to answer how much I can earn before I am evil and greedy and need to be punished.

Liberal POV said...

GIG

" I again ask for the proof of your original statement."

Post the simple math to show my statement is incorrect.

Do the math, the Farmers Market is open for about 4 hours on Saturday mornings six months a year. How many venders could gross $1000.00 per hour at the Farmers Market as an average?

This would assume the cost of their product cost them at least 50% of the selling price.

Do you see anyone getting rich at these rates?

How many of the Watauga County Farmer's Market vendors do you believe exceed the Republican claim of $250,000 annually as middle class as their income?

"By the way you have yet to answer how much I can earn before I am evil and greedy"

Sorry, I thought I had answered that on numerous occasions. It appears regardless of how much you make you will still be evil and greedy.

You can now answer this question for me.

Why do local Republicans side with people like the wall street billionaire who just made 5 BILLION dollars last year topping the his 2007 income of 4 Billion and has a tax rate of 15% and created no jobs?

This billionaires tax rate is lower than most wage earning Americans who have a living wage.

Why are the Republicans never the friend of working Americans.

guy faulkes said...

Liberalproverbs18:2 is still dodging and not answering any question that would force him to defend his La La La talking points.

This is not the point. He should never have been answered at all. We allowed him to hi jack the thread. If all you do is call attention to the fact his post has nothing to do with the thread and go on, he is stymied and begins to pout about something else. I am guilty of falling for his subterfuge also, but I am going to stop.

Only three posts on this thread are relative to the topic.

Anonymous said...

The one who makes the claim is the one that must support the claim. It is not up to someone else to disprove your accusations. You said that most of the people selling at the FM were working low wage jobs.

You were asked to prove it. Or, even easier, prove that ONE of them is.

You can't. It's like most of the crap you post. You make it up.

Where did you get the idea that $60,000 is the minimum income for a "living wage"? Are you saying that more than 80% of the people in this county don't have a "living wage"?

I don't doubt that you believe a lot of the crap that you post. But, because you believe it, doesn't make it so.

Liberal POV said...

Anonymous


Math, Simple math! Why do Republicans not undestand simple math?

Simple math will tell you the folks at the Farmer's market are working Americans working to support their families and themselves.

You wanted to pay for two wars with tax cuts and reduce the current deficit with an additional tax cut.

NONE of you can show how any of the wage earning workers at Hardees or any of the Yum Yum fast foods restaurants can support a family working full time without charity or government assistance.

None of you will show a budget required for a family of four to pay for housing, food, health insurance, transportation, clothing and a small savings.

I say the very basic would need to be $60,000. Any of you are welcome to prove me wrong.

" Are you saying that more than 80% of the people in this county don't have a "living wage?"

It will be close. That what 30 years of tax cuts for the rich and union busting will do.

Why do local Republicans side with people like the wall street billionaire who just made 5 BILLION dollars last year topping the his 2007 income of 4 Billion and has a tax rate of 15% and created no jobs?

This billionaire's tax rate is lower than most wage earning Americans who have a living wage.

Why are the Republicans never the friend of working Americans.

Blogger said...

Citizens Against Government Waste (CAGW) has named Sens. Sherrod Brown (D-Ohio), Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.), and John Kerry (D-Mass.) Porkers of the Month for urging the Pentagon to release taxpayer funds to continue developing General Electric's alternate engine for the Joint Strike Fighter. The alternate engine has been criticized as wasteful and unnecessary by taxpayers, both the Bush and Obama Administrations, and numerous top military officials

Sarkazein said...

POV wrote-"Simple math will tell you the folks at the Farmer's market are working Americans working to support their families and themselves."

Is that addition, subtraction, division, multiplication? just curious.

Liberal POV said...

Watauga County Conservatives and Republicans


What is the position of the local conservatives on the Farmers's Market?

Watauga County, The Town of Boone and the University all control public property meaning It belongs to the taxpayers of the State of NC, Watauga County or the Town of Boone.

Why would Watauga Republicans oppose the of this property by a citizens group like the Farmer's Market and the consumers also citizens of one of the above?

What's the point the angry conservative posters here want to make?

I don't follow conservative logic or math.

Anonymous said...

Simple math?

Ok, you are the simplest person I know.

Do the math

Show us how much each of the farmers at the market make...Don't forget to include the low wage jobs you claim that most of them work at.

Document what you are saying. Don't make up your own numbers. Show us!

Simple math tells me that you aren't very bright.

Liberal POV said...

anonymous

Your comments above further prove conservatives are unable to do basic math.

The silliness of conservative logic and math.

You wanted tax cuts the pay for the Iraq war when that failed conservatives wanted and got another tax cut to reduce the growing defict.

Do that math in public?

Blogger said...

Thanks Guy. I feel like someone waving a flag in front of a runaway train.