This blog originally founded by Blogger who holds a theological degree and a doctorate in Counseling Psychology. Taught Psychology for 32 years and is now Professor Emeritus. Is a board-certified psychologist and was awarded the Lifetime Achievement Award in his profession. Ministered as a chaplain, and pastored Baptist and Episcopal churches. Publications cover the integration of psychology and theology. Served in the Army, the Merchant Marines and the Peace Corps.

Sunday, January 9, 2011

Schizophrenia in the News

Reading the ramblings of the shooter Jared Laugner as well as his history and interviews with those who know him, he has all the earmarks of the obvious diagnosis of the brain disorder Schizophrenia.

Schizophrenia is a terrible disorder for the person as well as for those who care about him and sometimes for society itself. There are two elements that make it so insidious and different from other disorders. One is that the damaged brain is distorting and amplifying the input from the environment. The second problem is that the area of the brain that is damaged is that of judgement. Thus, the person cannot know that he is ill.

Once it was recognized as a brain disorder like Alzheimers is for example, treatments for Schizophrenia have advanced rapidly in the last few years Two effective treatments are, one, the new anti-psychotic medications which create lucidity. The second then is, while the patient is lucid, to convince him and get him to accept that he has a disordered brain.

Successful treatment was exemplified to me by a director of a large mental health unit who himself suffered from Schizophrenia. Once he became lucid and accepted that he was ill, he carried around a little card that said “I suffer from Schizophrenia so sometimes I will give an inappropriate response. I would be grateful if you would reframe what you just said to me so as not to trigger my disorder.”

A second incident which helped me understand the disorder was a lecture I attended. The speaker turned to the director of the sponsoring organization and said “Mr. Smith, we all know that you believe you are the director of this group and that you are a medical doctor. However, you are not. You just think you are. Actually you are suffering from Schizophrenia and your parents and the police are waiting outside the door to take you to the hospital.” I never got over that lecture.

Among all the tragedies that are going on with the shooting of this congresswomen is the tragedy of politicizing this. Deranged people kill people. They kill high school principals, teachers, college professors, parents, movie stars, pop singers, and even TV commentators. Politics be damned.

It is not difficult to grasp that when a person is receiving faulty feedback from the environment as in the case of Schizophrenia, they quickly can become paranoid. They then latch onto someone who might be the explanation for the threat they feel. In my career, knowing so many people suffering from this disorder, I was always watchful for any student who became agitated. One plus about retirement for me, was the feeling I was less likely to be shot by a disturbed student.

It is maddening to hear the commentators try to make this a political anti-government thing. There are people all over this country walking around believing the CIA is watching them, or that a hearing device has been planted in their tooth. For these people, the government is the most suspect and any government official from mayor to president could get on their radar.

Bottom line, is that if people were better informed, they could more quickly spot a person like Lougner and get him to treatment. Had that happened, a lot of people would be alive today.

At the same time, remember that most people with Schizophrenia are among the sweetest, gentlest people in the world. In ways their personalities can resemble those with another brain disorder–people with Down’s Syndrome. Many are quite successful in life, as portrayed in the movie “A Beautiful Mind.”

Why a small minority of those with Schizophrenia become dangerous is so far not known. We do know that alcohol and some drugs create more paranoia, as many of you have experienced around “mean drunks” for example.

Finally, for those who read this blog. Please do me a favor and not say the shooter is a schizophrenic. The correct statement is that he is a young man suffering from the brain disorder we call Schizophrenia. Remember, you don’t call your demented grandmother with Alzheimers an Alzheimeric. She is still your grandmother but with a crippling brain problem.

64 comments:

Reader said...

I apologize Blogger. I realize I should just keep reading and refrain from posting. Thanks for the information.

Blogger said...

Heck I freaked out and called him a ding bat. In my defense, it was his reading list to which I responded. It seemed so much like the list of those people on the left I ran with in the 60's.

Liberal POV said...

Blogger

"It seemed so much like the list of those people on the left I ran with in the 60's.


The LSD must have fried you mind causing it to close for you to go conservaive.

guy faulkes said...

The Sherrif that wishes to limit the free speech of those with whom he does not agree had some more interesting comments today. One was to deny people that have been through as thorough a background check as has he their right to carry a gun for self protection on college campuses. The other is directly related to this thread. He was wishing to return to the practices of when he was a rookie cop in the 60's in which people with mental disorders were jailed and not given psychiatric/medical attention. I shudder to think how this man got to be the primary law enforcement officer in his county.

Johnny "Stinger" Rico said...

Initial comments by Watauga Watch groupies yesterday are unraveling at an accelerated pace. They tried to blame this on the Tea Party and Guns, but it is appearing the shooter may have been a Democrat. He had even attended Gifford rallies before, recieving a thank you not from the Congresswoman! Not exactly Tea Party fare now is it? LOL!!

The rush to try and pin this on conservatives, Palin, Beck, Hannity and anyone else in the way of liberal hate speech, will hurt the liberals. Like POV in his response to being a supporter of terrorism and Pedophilia are already trying to offline and put back together the glass house from which they cast stones. LOL!!! This just keeps looking gloomier and gloomier for the fringe left.

JW Williamson, Anonymous, Liberal POV and a host of other communist idiots have a lot in common with the shooter. They are all mentally unbalanced, Democrats, liberal, supporters of health care, believers in communist ideals (people control). Perhaps this shooter will give insight to ordinary, law abiding Americans that the fringe left is full of violence, viterol, vegans, and vapid malingerers who want nothing more than to tear down society so they may be in charge.

Liberal sheep, mark my words, will run from this incident like rats on a sinking ship.

This is certainly going to be intersting......

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

JW, POV, and other idiots; this is starting to really sting isn't it?

Reader said...

Blogger, I understand.

Blogger said...

Guy "I shudder to think how this man got to be the primary law enforcement officer in his county." I agree with you. He should be fired. He had known for hours what he had on his hands, but for his own political agenda, he waited until the media had gone crazy speculating before coming forth with the information. I believe he did that intentionally.

Blogger said...

Liberal "The LSD must have fried you mind" Who mentioned LSD? Was that some more of your psychological projections?

Blogger said...

Guys, you are going to love this. A Democratic congressman promises to introduce a bill as soon as they get back to work. It will make it a federal crime to post certain inflammatory things (he will define inflammatory, but he started with the link Liberal posted on Sarah Palin's cross hairs.)

If he wants to see a country go paranoid all at once, wait until he tries this attack on the first amendment.

Blogger said...

Among other things, the whole Liberal establishment is making a blatant attempt to use this incident to shut the Tea Party down and then after wards the rest if us.

It won't work, but it will stimulate Tea Party 2.0 or maybe even 3.5.

Sarkazein said...

LPOV wrote: The LSD must have fried you mind causing it to close for you to go conservaive..

My guess is the above comment by LPOV shows definite signs of brain damage. Again it proves liberals accuse others of doing what, in fact, they are doing.

Sarkazein said...

Hmmmm

Liberal POV said...

Blogger

You keep spinning but you and the other hate monger still have blood on your hands.

Johnny Rico said...

Nice post Sark, thanks. Tea Partier eh POV and JW? Want to change yesterday's rant yet? Casting stones from glass houses doesn't work - will you socialist sheep never learn? LOL!!!

This is getting juicy. How you liberal idiots have the guts to show your radical selves on this site is beyond me!!!

A fringe left wingnut was the killer. Let me repeat, a leftist liberal was the gunman who attempted to assasinate a sitting Congresswoman. Amazing but not surprising as the fringe left (POV, JW Williamson, Tricycle Lard, etc) is full of violence as it has always been.

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

PS Like I said yesterday, you should have waited for the facts before running off at the mouth!!

Benjy G

On fire Rico said...

Liberal Socialist sheep fluffer lemming follower POV,

All those names you call the conservatives, do you still think it accurate? Or should you be looking in a mirror when you write that garbage? LOL!!

Stings don't it?

Your ole pal

Johnny told ya so Rico

Billy Bathgart

Liberal POV said...

Blogger and Conservative Fear and Hate Cult

JW's posters say it for better than I can.

Anne
I believe Digby says it best:

"There are certainly left wing people who spew incendiary and violent rhetoric. But they are few and far between compared to the drumbeat of hatred and consequential acts of violence we've seen over the past two years and none who make the kind of profit at it that the right wing noise machine does. There is no comparison, it's ridiculous to frame it that way. And it ends up distorting the truth, which is that we have a violent right wing political movement developing in this country with the help and acquiescence of a major political party which refuses to police its own.

This is the kind of thing Democratic office holders have been facing at every public meeting since Barack Obama was elected."

Beth
"Can anyone name a far-left liberal who has opened fire on people for political reasons? I'm sure there must be an example, but I can't think of one."

Brushfire

" The whole general tenor of the right-wing tribe is slanted toward violence, selfishness, and greed, cloaked in self-righteous piety. (Sorry Mike, it's true). They motivate the base with smear and fear tactics and sometimes they motivate the base just a little too far. I think of all the right-wing terrorists starting with the abortion clinic bombers, the Federal Building bombers, the man who shot up the Unitarian church in Tennessee, and many many more. I suspect that people who support peace, equality, working together for the general welfare,sharing with the weak and less fortunate, and gun control, tend not to use violence as tactics."

Blogger how often do you listen to Rush, Beck and Fox news per week?

I have for two years ranted on your support and practice of hate and fear mongering .

Johnny Rico said...

Ohhhh, they finally admitted it was a left wing liberal!!!! Amazing!! The boneheads on the Watch are in full retreat trying to cover their guilt. This is so telling of the liberal leftist who shoot Congresswomen and little kids. LOL!!!

Johnny Rico

PS Stinging pretty bad ain't it?

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"But they are few and far between compared to the drumbeat of hatred and consequential acts of violence we've seen over the past two years and none"

If there are so many conservatives who are violent then how come the so called violent conservatives aren't engaging in acts of violence like the liberal left? Perhaps it is you and your party who is violent (we have been trying to tell you this).

Here's a real doozy:

"Can anyone name a far-left liberal who has opened fire on people for political reasons?

Can you name a far right conservative who has opened fire on people for politica reasons? There are far more leftist liberals engaging in acts of violence than conservatives. Look at the World Bank Riots or LA Riots or Hurricane Katrina killings.

Finally we have:

"" The whole general tenor of the right-wing tribe is slanted toward violence, selfishness, and greed, cloaked in self-righteous piety"

Give an example if this is true. Last year's elections saw violence almost exclusively from the left. Conservatives have always conducted themselves with dignity and respect. When Palin was in Searchlight last year, the left wingers were the ones pelting the buses with rocks and committing other acts of vandalism and violence.

You idiots never learn. One of your own did this, as they always do, and you just can't admit it. This must mean you support Loughner and others of his ilk, right?

LOL!!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

PS Just keeping it real

Johnny Rico said...

What you violent left wing radicals need to do first and foremost is apologize. You posted on this site yesterday within a few minutes of the shooting yapping and yelling that a Tea Partier Conservative had done the deed. I caught this and immediately asked you idiots how you arrived at that conclusion. Knowing many left wingers, I felt the shooter was a liberal. I was right but I didn't shove my thoughts down your well worn throats like you dunces did us. Therefore do the right thing and apologize.

Admit you were wrong. Be a man or a woman and admit you jumped to conclusions in the name of politics. Most of us conservatives prayed for the killed and wounded and then waited for the situation to come into focus. Like the liberal Sheriff in Tucson, you idiots attacked immediately and now look extremely stupid. LOL!!

I will take my apology from all the left wingnuts tomorrow at noon.

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Pride cometh before the fall

Anonymous said...

Well let's go liberal socialist sheep lemming POv (notice lower case).

You care to answer to my last post or are you hanging up the computer tonight in shame? LOL!!

I didn't think you could keep up with me post for post. I just filed my nails and can burn this keyboard up. Running out of excuses for yesterday's oversight? LOL!!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

PS Stings don't it

Mike D. said...

Blogger, as I posted to "amjp" on WataugaWatch:

I am both sickened and entertained by the political circus that sits before us. I am sickened that people had to die to create this charade, but the resulting theater is wickedly entertaining.

I have been watching both this site and the WataugaRepubs blog. It is amazing to watch the ebb and flow, as contributors extend their tentacles across the web, seeking out writing that affirms their conviction that this murderer belongs to the other camp while denying that it's what they are doing.

The lines of logical reasoning have had to become so tight, because try as they might, both sides are having a really tough time placing this shooter in the enemy camp. It would have been so much easier for the left, had this murderer identified himself as a true-blooded member of the Tea Party, but there does not seem to be any such link, so the dedicated left must toe a razor fine line of reasoning that although he is not in any way affiliated with the movement, and perhaps even a self-avowed leftist, his violence was green-lighted by those with whom he disagrees.

On the other side, we have conservatives, carefully examining the shooter's reading list, trying to make him into a radical, fist-in-the-air, bandana-faced, solidarity driven communist. Sadly, those conservatives are bluntly snubbed by the fact that the shooter had "We the Living", by Ayn Rand, in his list of favorite books, and he appears to have been affiliated, on some level, with a white power group.

But just watching the logical dance on both sides of the devoutly partisan blogosphere is providing me with many hours of entertainment.

"Clowns to the left of me,
Jokers to the right, here I am,
Stuck in the middle with you" - Stealers Wheel

Sarkazein said...

MikeD- The vast majority of the comments on this Blog are in defense of the Conservative movement being attacked by the Left as it relates to the Arizona murder story. Anonymous Pinhead immediately branded the rest of us as confederates of the shooter. Most all comments were to counter this deranged theory. POV was quoting the liberal "think tank" the Huffington Post. He was declaring a picture by Palin set the shooter off in a homicidal rage.
The only thing worse than a far leftist is a middle-of-the-roader, as you give normalcy to comments made by people who are just dead wrong. The story has so far played out that the shooter was a Leftist.
Tomorrow a shooter could be wearing a three cornered hat and a yellow T-shirt with "Don't Tread On Me". But, he will still be deranged.
Middle-of-the-roaders, as in your comment, think defense of ones cause is mindless. This is what got us to this point in history, not enough people cared enough to defend, openly, the Conservative cause.
Middle-of-the-roaders also think they know more than everyone else and are amused by all other's inferior understanding of events.

guy faulkes said...

Well said, Sark. Being politically correct and moderately polite has been the downfall of this country. As the song says, "You have to stand for something or you'll fall for anything."

Anonymous said...

Williamson's site is meaningless. He censors comments from everyone but moderates such as Mike D. There isn't any debate because when he posted everything, his side always looked stupid.

Johnny Rico said...

Sark said:

"The only thing worse than a far leftist is a middle-of-the-roader, as you give normalcy to comments made by people who are just dead wrong'

A very fine summation of the evils of middle of the road individuals. Well done sir!

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal lemming fluffer socialist sheep POV,

You fled in shame last night. Perhaps you will hide your shame and take another shot at the title today? LOL!! Being on the losing end of an arguement makes it kind of hard to be motivated doesn't it?

LOL!!!!!

Your ole pal

Johnnny Rico

Les Charleston

Sarkazein said...

Thank you Guy Faulkes and Johnny Rico.

oatz said...

Sark,
I seem to recall the "Media" calling for restraint and no rushing to judgement after the Ft. Hood shooting. This in direct contrast to the AZ shooting, Wonder why? The Media would never play politics would they?

Sarkazein said...

Oatz- In the Arizona murder, the PRESS thought they had something to prove their misconception. In the Fort Hood terrorist attack, they wanted to hide what they thought would disprove their misconceptions.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

" The story has so far played out that the shooter was a Leftist." Sarks misinformed comment

"Police said he purchased the Glock pistol used in the attack at Sportsman's Warehouse in Tucson in November."

"An official familiar with the shooting investigation said Sunday that local authorities were looking at a possible connection between Loughner and an online group known for white supremacist, anti-immigrant rhetoric."

Sounds like Guy and Johnny

"On Sunday, Fox News quoted a Department of Homeland Security memo that states Mr. Loughner is "possibly linked" to American Renaissance, which DHS says promotes views that are "anti-government, anti-immigration, anti-ZOG [Zionist Occupational Government], anti-Semitic." Both Giffords and Mr. Zimmerman are Jewish."

http://www.amren.com/

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110110/ap_on_re_us/us_congresswoman_shot

Sarkazein said...

Liberal Pinhead POV wrote-"possible connection between Loughner and an online group known for white supremacist, anti-immigrant rhetoric."

The most racist people I know are liberals. But my point, which I never expected you to understand, is the shooter was not a Tea Party member and all that knew him call him a left-winger with mental problems. Your hate speech and vitriol "possible connection between Loughner and an online group known for white supremacist, anti-immigrant rhetoric.

Sounds like Guy and Johnny"
makes you a pinhead , just not anonymous.

Sarkazein said...

Also Pinhead POV, I have never read anything racist or anti-immigrant from those you accuse. In your warped liberal mind, you confuse illegal crossing of the border with legal immigration. This is because you are confused or you are a liar and make false accusations... but really both.

Reader said...

Sark, you are correct in your postings. I'm tired of all the lies with the media. I went on a site yesterday called "Regret the Error", that posts the errors of all the media. Fox was listed as inaccurate sometimes, but NPR was at the top and NYT was also at the top. I think the time is near that we are going to demand the truth from media outlets.

Mike D. said...

Sark,

"Middle-of-the-roaders, as in your comment, think defense of ones cause is mindless."

Holy cow! It's as though you've known me my whole life! A truer description of me has never been rendered, sir! Indeed, I just keep my mouth shut and sit right at the back of the room, never daring to speak out in defense of my cause!

Sark, I will have you know, I'm not just a "middle-of-the-roader". I am a rabid, fundamentalist middle-of-the-roader, so suck on that! :)

And yes, by the way, my ability to search my own mind and come up a unique set of views, without relying on the safe conformity and backing derived from following one of two prefab ideologies certainly does make me feel superior to a Liberal POV/Johhny Rico clone.

I can't wait to see how the WataugaWatch people react to having their silly exploitation of a tragedy called out.


P.S. Stings, don't it?

Matilda

Liberal POV said...

Sark, Guy and Johnny

You, Guy and Johnny are always buying into the scapegoating of undocumented American residents calling them criminal illegal aliens demonizing them to be sub human.

The white supremacist doesn't apply to the conservative posters here and may not have applied to the deranged shooter.

Remember Arizona had just had a major anti immigrant campaign paid for and sponsored by for profit prisons wanting to tap taxpayers for locking up undocumented families.

Fear was the driving emotion behind this campaign.

guy faulkes said...

Mike D, I find it ironic that you feel you have every right to express your "moderate" opinions, but you do not feel those with more conservative or possibly liberal opinions should express theirs.

You sometimes make some very good points (some of which with which I agree and some with which I do not), but when you get in your egotistical mode it is as if you think someone died and elected you God.

One should make his point and move on. There is no need to express the same opinion over and over.

No Liberalproverbs18:2, mental illness that even surpasses your own is the cause of this shooting.

Sarkazein said...

POV- You just displayed some of your confusion. Somehow you think illegal alien is a race. Your racism causes this. You assume, through misconception, that only illegal immigrants of a particular race are guilty of crossing the border illegally or not complying with immigration law. But you are not really confused, you are just full of hate speech and vitriol in your false accusations. This is similar to you thinking someone is a bigot if they do not agree to become Socialists under the Obama regime. But, carry on with your delusions, nothing I can prescribe can change your mind-set.

Sarkazein said...

MikeD wrote-"And yes, by the way, my ability to search my own mind and come up a unique set of views, without relying on the safe conformity and backing derived from following one of two prefab ideologies certainly does make me feel superior to a Liberal POV/Johhny Rico clone."

I rest my case.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

"POV- You just displayed some of your confusion. Somehow you think illegal alien is a race."

The bigotry expressed on this blog was funded by some of America's wealthiest citizens others ( Anne Coulter, Newt, Beck and Rush choose to become wealthy or gain political power exploiting this scapegoating of America's weakest least politically powerful residents.

The fools here Guy, Sark and Johnny join the mob attacking and dehumanizing people trying to find a better life for their families. These undocumented America residents are fellow Christians and fellow human beings. I think most are far better human being than Guy, Sark or Johnny.

The atmosphere in Arizona was poisoned with a well funded attack and scapegoating these weakest new immigrants.

Now is there a real problem with immigration? Absolutly, but progress on fixing the problem is being blocked by those spreading fear and scapegoating. The immigration problem gives political power the the right and they don't want it to be fixed.

guy faulkes said...

Liberalproverbs18:2, we want the rule of law to be upheld. You do not. We want protection for the underage illegal alien children that you support being forced into a house of prostitution. There is a way to immigrate legally. If it is not used then those that come here by breaking this law are criminals. They are not undocumented workers. They are both criminals and the victims of those that would exploit them such as you.

You are to stupid to understand illegal aliens are of all races. As Sark says you are proving you are the bigot by your continuing insistence of making charges that those that oppose illegal aliens are racist.

Your support for illegal aliens is as despicable as your support of terrorism.

Congratulations on hijacking the thread. You were getting no where when you tried to stay on topic.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

"They are both criminals and the victims of those that would exploit them such as you."

Please explain the penalty for a person caught being in America without proper papers?

Is this a felony or something like a parking ticket?

The corporate welfare of prisons for profits did try to exploit these people by the campaign in Arizona to pass a law making them criminals and they would lockup whole families including children to increase prison profits and costing taxpayers dollars.

The unstable shooter fell for this scam just like you and the other conservative here.

G.I.G said...

LPOV, I think you would agree it is fair to treat criminal immigrants here as they would be treated in their home country. I am going to use Mexico as an example. If you were to enter illegally this would be your lot.
http://www.familysecuritymatters.org/publications/id.6090/pub_detail.asp

Liberal POV said...

GIG

"LPOV, I think you would agree it is fair to treat criminal immigrants here as they would be treated in their home country."

Hell NO!

Conservative logic is frightening! Conservatives want America to shop the world for the worst possible human rights policies to justify conservatve's support of human rights abuse.

Are you also insane?

G.I.G said...

LPOV, you label me conservative? When have I declared any allegiance to any party here? If you will label me make it libertarian. Please do not flatter yourself enough to ever speak for me. It is nice to see you maintain the double standard you adhere to .

Sarkazein said...

MikeD might be interested in knowing the shooter was a registered Independent.

Sarkazein said...

POW asks-"Are you also insane?"

He's lonely and is looking for a like-minded companion.

Blogger said...

Sarakein It wasn't Geraldo. See
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/98-536.ZS.html

"In the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 (ADA), Congress described the isolation and segregation of individuals with disabilities as a serious and pervasive form of discrimination."

guy faulkes said...

I have already answered your questions many times Liberalproverbs18:2. You will not listen if I do it again so go back to your La La La La La chant.

Sarkazein said...

Just a thought, does THIS PICTURE look like anyone familiar? Think Taxi... DeNero, Jodi Foster, political assassination.

Hollywood... liberals... influence of movies on a warped mind... Hinkley.

Just a thought

Mike D. said...

Sark,

"MikeD might be interested in knowing the shooter was a registered Independent."

The only thing which surprises me about that is that he was registered to vote in the first place. He appears to be so angry at society that I find it odd for him to voluntarily participate in the electoral process.

Sarkazein said...

MikeD- He didn't vote in the last election.. the one where Palin gave him the will to mass murder.

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV,

The Ft. Hood shooter recieved and continues to recieve protection from the media because he is a Muslim Terrorist although the media was careful not to use the word terrorist. When you idiots jumped the gun too quickly saying Loughner was a conservative, it was on! Now that your gross error is paying dividends for conservatives, you don't mention Loughner's political affiliations or influences. Can you say the words "double standard"?

The liberal press is failing. Take a look at the liberal rag "The Blowing Rocket". When that idiot Jeff Eason began as editor, he immediately used the newspaper as a way to disparage Virginia Foxx. People didn't buy into this type of propoganda (very Nazi just like you) and last week's Blowing Rocket was 6 PAGES IN LENGTH.

It is about time our news outlets suffered a demise befitting of fringe left rags. Newsweek is on the way out and perhaps Time will join it. FOX news is doing well though. Just imagine POV - a news source that tells the truth and doesn't jump to conclusions.

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

PS NPR uses public funds to stay on the air. If they weren't subsidized (I thought you hated corporations recieving subsidies), they would go under too. LOL!!

Stings don't it

Mike D. said...

Rico,

Tell me, if you were to wake tomorrow morning to the news that a politician you can't stand had been assassinated, would you feel a sense of tragedy for the country, or would you be happy?

Sarkazein said...

POV- You wrote on another thread your dissatisfaction with the shooter being able to buy a gun after being handled 5 times by the police for possible mental problems. Yet you always say we must rely on these same people to protect us, as in police should only carry guns and a few other groups.
Which is it, we can't rely on them, or we must rely on them? You want the same government people to handle our health-care as in single-payer.

Sarkazein said...

MikeD- Are you assumming because of your superior ability Johnny Rico senses no tragedy in the shooting in Arizona? I haven't read anything in those comments reflecting your assumption.

Mike D. said...

Sark,

It's just question, and with Rico's ability to generate large quantities of writing, it shouldn't be too difficult for him to slip the answer into one of his posts.

So again, Rico...

If you heard the news this morning that a politician you can't stand, let's say Obama, Pelosi, or Reid, had been killed, what would your reaction be, in your heart? Would you rejoice in celebration? Would you feel great sadness or anger over what you consider an American tragedy?

Sarkazein said...

MikeD wrote-"It's just question..."


Yeah, right. It is similar to POV's questions. Statements in the form of questions. Fear of taking a stand on a subject. "Just a question..." no.

guy faulkes said...

Sark, MikeD is once again in his egotistical mode in which he thinks only he can have an opinion. Nothing Rico has said indicates she would feel joy at anyone being killed. The question is whether MikeD would as he has instigated the idea.

The next question is what is the significance of someone that thinks a person's death is a necessary thing. What would MikeD have thought about the death of Hitler? Is it necessary to be a hypocrite in order to be politically correct.

The next question is what does MikeD think of all the posts that were on the link that wished Palin dead. At least they were honest and showed the true colors of many on the left. You know those that profess to be the paragons of tolerance.

And to answer MikeD's next question to me; no, I would not take any joy in the death of any of those MikeD mentioned. I would much prefer them to be voted out of office and reduced to insignificantcy. Even better is if they could be impeached for malfeasance. Until that time, I hope to see their policies fail.

Mike D. said...

Guy,

Thank you for answering the question. I had not asked the question of you because I can sense that you would not rejoice in the death of your political foes. I'm not so sure about Rico. He seems, as a recurring theme in his posts, to revel in the demise of his opponents.

The Hitler vs. hypocrisy vs. political correctness is an interesting topic you bring up, and ultimately, it speaks to my question of Rico. Political disagreement in our country has turned increasingly polar and increasingly volatile and incendiary. Like it or not, it really has.

Unless, perhaps I am wrong and I am just paying more attention now than I used to. Some of you guys are a bit older, so you tell me. Was there a constant stream of people in society screaming that Reagan was Hitler? Was there a daily parade of national talk shows calling Clinton a Communist?

And Guy,

"in which he thinks only he can have an opinion"

I respect everyone's right to have an opinion, and I thoroughly enjoy listening to those opinions. Am I going to sign on to your party-line views? Probably not. Being a bit of a science and mathematics lover, it has always boggled my mind that, given the tremendous number of genetic permutations that have created us all, and given the obvious uniqueness of each and every one of us, that over 80% of us categorize our political views according to the prefabricated ideologies of two political parties. It doesn't just defy the laws of statistics and probability, it rapes them and leaves them to die in a dumpster.

So I don't really feel superior or egotistical. I just feel like I'm doing the natural thing, being an individual.

And if you have any views, even one, which differs from the conservative collective, I should love to hear about it. I will not judge. But others here might.

Mike D. said...

Sark,

"Fear of taking a stand on a subject"

And what subject is it that you are having trouble getting me to take a stand on? I am happy to take a stand on any subject, provided that I have a strong, not conflicted opinion on the subject. And if my opinion is conflicted, or I just don't care about the subject, I will not obfuscate. I will just be honest about it.

guy faulkes said...

Was there a constant stream of people in society screaming that Reagan was Hitler? Was there a daily parade of national talk shows calling Clinton a Communist?

Yes to both questions. Until the midterm elections forced Clinton to the right, these people had a good argument.

Anonymous said...

Mike D didn't answer Guy's questions about what he thinks. He just went back to Rico. Why should Rico answer about her personal feelings if Mike won't?

Anonymous said...

Blogger, in this post, you sure told it like it was now they all are trying to backtrack and say the guy had mental problems. In the meantime though, they have done a lot of damage to innocent people like Sarah, Rush, etc.

Screaming MeMe said...

Blogger, in this post you sure told it like it was now they all are trying to backtrack and say the guy had mental problems. In the meantime though, they have done a lot of damage to innocent people like Sarah, Rush, etc.