This blog originally founded by Blogger who holds a theological degree and a doctorate in Counseling Psychology. Taught Psychology for 32 years and is now Professor Emeritus. Is a board-certified psychologist and was awarded the Lifetime Achievement Award in his profession. Ministered as a chaplain, and pastored Baptist and Episcopal churches. Publications cover the integration of psychology and theology. Served in the Army, the Merchant Marines and the Peace Corps.

Friday, February 4, 2011

More Comparing Christianity and Islam


Admitting my limited knowledge regarding Islam, of course I am interested in comparison with my own faith.

In the history of Christianity there are a high number of people, beginning with St.Paul and St.John who have visited Heaven and returned. Over the years,an amazing array of Christians have visited Jesus in Heaven. Many have told their stories–numerous books have been written. Even naive children have given their accounts with descriptions almost identical to others. Those of us who are privileged as psychotherapists to be invited into the secret lives of others, hear fascinating revelations of heavenly trips which were shared with no one before. Perhaps you know someone personally yourself.

One of my best friends for example, died on the operating table. He had a spellbinding visit to Heaven, but just as he was reveling in all the glory, he was informed that he had to go back. He still had much work to do, including caring for his wife. I know him to be a credible witness.

The point I am headed to is this. Where does this confidence of a heaven come from in Islam that makes one willing to kill oneself violently?

I posed the following question to a scholar who has been identified as a leading expert on Islam in this country. I asked him if there exists in Muslim literature, this sizable volume of writings of trips to heaven and returning.

To my surprise, he seemed nonplussed by my question. His answer was “Of course, the Prophet.”

35 comments:

Sarkazein said...

Question: Blogger, do Christians believe the New Testament was dictated or written by Jesus?
(actual question, not sarcasm)


Muslims believe the Koran was written or dictated by Mohammed.

Jack said...

I’m not quite sure what you’re trying to get at. Every religion has its own “holy occurrences” and apparitions. And a personal account does not offer any actual proof that one belief system is right, and the others wrong.

I am Catholic and went to Catholic school throughout my upbringing. So I’ve heard all the stories over and over again. They’re good stories and, most often, teach solid lessons. But please don’t take them literally. The incidence of reported miracles has substantially declined in the modern era. The Earth no longer opens wide, displaying Hell. Angels no longer descend on wayward sailors. And Mary hasn’t visited me in years. Why? Because we now understand our surroundings and their phenomena much better. It wasn’t St. Catherine, it was a dream during sleep. It wasn’t a visit to Heaven, it was an anoxic brain (no blood flow, hence no oxygen).

Believe what you’d like. Justify it any way you would like. However, if it creates a “I’m right, you’re wrong” position, you will be forever blind. It is great that you have faith and try to be the best person you can. Other belief systems produce the same types of people. None is better than the other. In the end, if you’re a good person, you’re a good person.

Jack said...

“Where does this confidence of a heaven come from in Islam that makes one willing to kill oneself violently?”

The Muslim “Heaven” (Jannah) has different levels. The highest of these levels (Firdaus) is reserved for prophets, martyrs, and the most pious of believers. Fundamentalist Islam has contorted the concept of “martyr”. These terrorists falsely believe that they will be propelled into this paradise upon their acts. But Islam teaches that those who harm others (except in the case of self-defense) do not receive eternal reward, similar to the teachings of Christianity.

Sarkazein said...

Jack or someone wrote-"But Islam teaches that those who harm others (except in the case of self-defense) do not receive eternal reward, similar to the teachings of Christianity."

Apparently not, inspite of the text. Perhaps you meant the Koran reads...yadayada

Jack said...

Not surprisingly, you missed the point. Fundamentalist Islam contorts the Qur'an, just as Fundamentalist Christianity contorts the Bible and just as Fundamentalist Judaism contorts the Torah.

Sarkazein said...

You are right Jack, I thought you had written "But Islam teaches..."

Jack said...

Missed....
The....
Point....
Entirely.

But thanks for playing.

Blogger said...

Jack " do not receive eternal reward,(for killing) similar to the teachings of Christianity."

Jack, you better hurry up and tell them.

Blogger said...

Jack "None is better than the other. In the end, if you’re a good person, you’re a good person." Yeh, Jack, Who says so.

Liberal POV said...

Jack

You did so well above.

Please define a closed minded and could you give some recent examples?

Sarkazein said...

POV- Is this what you are asking for (example ofclosed mindedness)? (Jack may not have learned to translate from POV to English yet)

The Earth no longer opens wide, displaying Hell. Angels no longer descend on wayward sailors. And Mary hasn’t visited me in years. Why? Because we now understand our surroundings and their phenomena much better. It wasn’t St. Catherine, it was a dream during sleep. It wasn’t a visit to Heaven, it was an anoxic brain (no blood flow, hence no oxygen).-Jack or someone

Liberal POV said...

Sark

Point made, but I was thinking more in the realm of reality and knowledge.

I like to think society has moved beyond the 12th century knowledge and understanding of the universe, of witches and superstition.

When does our knowledge of our physical world close our minds to religious superstitions, myths and physical impossibilities?

Some Christians believe the world is only 6000 years old despite literally mountains of evidence it billions of years old.

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POVs,

Even though you idiots don't have a lick of sense, God and Jesus Christ love you. Jesus Christ died for your sins on the cross. I pray you can find Jesus Christ before it's too late. Flesh eating fire worms will eat your eyes out if you don't.

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Liberal POV said...

Johnny and Fundamental Christian

" Flesh eating fire worms will eat your eyes out if you don't."

This represents the best of Christianity?
Terrorize children and adults with stories like these.

I want no part of such nonsense.

Sarkazein said...

Pat Bucannon told us this years ago.
He was labeled a Brown Shirter by the closed minded Left.

Sarkazein said...

Patrick Joseph "Pat" Buchanan... spelling correction.

Johnny "Yoga Pants" Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POVs said:

"This represents the best of Christianity?
Terrorize children and adults with stories like these.

I want no part of such nonsense"

You feel terrorized by the word of Jesus Christ? Funny how you disparage Christians constantly yet you say nothing about true fundamentalist, terror type religions like, say, Islam. Stoning a 14 year old girl to death for being raped by her 40 year old cousin seems a bit extremist. Or is it just me. If I saw the world through the eyes of Liberal Lemming POVs, I guess killing innocent children would be normal.

Forcing all women to cover their entire bodies with cloth is rather extremist wouldn't you say? Yet, you ignore this bigoted practice and cap on Christians for believing in the one and only God, Jesus Christ.

Muslims believe it is their religious duty to restore the Caliphate to its former greatness. Mixing this notion of church and state here in the United States sets you idiots off like a cannon, yet it is ok to occur at the hands of extremist Muslims?

Your hypocrisy is so amazingly stupid I often wonder how you idiots function (most likely by living off my taxes). LOL!!

If the Christian religion "terrorizes" you, then Islam must scare you nearly to death, right? LOL!

Christians abhor the practice of killing babies in the mother's womb. Yet you support this barbaric practice. Who is terrorizing who?

Those darned ole tough questions again. You wish I would stop don't you? Unlike Watauga Watch which censors divergent opinions, this site, like Christianity, accepts other views in an effort to better ourselves. You idiots, like Islam, NEVER accept other opinions, values, religions, attitudes or beliefs. LOL!!

Quite an analogy, wouldn't you say? LOL!! You shoudn't have stepped into the pile of doo doo so willingly you idiots!!!!

To celebrate the Christian religion, and the freedoms it bestows, I am going bra-less today. I might even wear extra tight yoga pants whilst working out at the Wellness Center. The Extremist Muslim religion wouldn't allow me to do this, but Christianity does.

And you don't support Christianity? You people are beyond stupid. Then again, being a liberal is a disease I guess.

Your ole pal

Johnny "Yoga Pants" Rico

Beyonce Richards

PS Stings don't it?

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

"And you don't support Christianity?"

It's your brand of Christianity I don't support, it's to close to the being filled with the same hate as extremist versions of Islam and Judism.

Blogger said...

Jack, twice you wrote regarding others: "Missed the point."
At the same time, you did not respond to my question. I am a psychologist. From that point of view, suicide is pathology. My question is, if no one in Islam has been to Heaven and reported back, where this confidence comes from to blow up oneself to achieve Heaven?

By the way, regarding the patronizing comments warning me about mythology--believe me, I know more about working with mythology than anyone you know. Most of my time now is spent in mythological revelations. I am sure you are aware that mythology is humans' attempts to reveal that which is unrevealable to the intellect. That is part of the point of the St. John of the Cross revelation as I am confident you grasped. At least I am counting on you to be able to understand unless I have overestimated you.

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

" it's to close to the being filled with the same hate as extremist versions of Islam and Judism."

Is this it? Is this all you can muster after I pounded you yet again? No counterpoints, no reasoning, no intelligible points. LOL! Still stinging from that shellacking I gave you.

Extremist version of Islam? What "version" allows their women to go bra-less and wear extra tight Yoga Pants to the local gym? Uh huh, there ain't any. And furthermore, who made you God so you may choose which "version" is the one people choose to practice? LOL! You really dug a pit for yourself didn't you!!!!!!!

Christianity allows Muslims to practice their religion - extremist or not. Not any of our business. What is our business is our efforts to convert them from worshipping a false God to recognizing the one and only Saviour Jesus Christ. Nothing extremist about that. Sort of like getting you idiots to recognize that removing babies (often times in parts) from mother's wombs is murder.

And who is the extremist here? LOL!!!

That was so easy.

Your ole pal

Skyla Boshch

Johnny Rico said...

Since the liberal socialists aren't able to offer even a modicum of an arguement, are there ANY liberals out there who can answer to my original post? LOL!!!!!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

" And furthermore, who made you God so you may choose which "version" is the one people choose to practice?"

Everyone is free to choose their own version!

"Extremist version of Islam? What "version" allows their women to go bra-less and wear extra tight Yoga Pants to the local gym?"

I countries with secular governments any who choose to do so.

"Christianity allows Muslims to practice their religion - extremist or not. Not any of our business. "

Except when you harass as decribed below.

"What is our business is our efforts to convert them from worshipping a false God to recognizing the one and only Saviour Jesus Christ."

"Sort of like getting you idiots to recognize that removing babies (often times in parts) from mother's wombs is murder. "
My Answer:
" And furthermore, who made you God so you may choose which "version" is the one people choose to practice?"

Life for fundamentalist conservative Christians begins at conception and ends at brith.

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

You never answered my original post. You sure wanted to stay away from those darn analogies don't you! LOL.

"Everyone is free to choose their own version!"

Really! Then why do you disparage Christians for practicing their religion? Islam doesn't give folks the freedom to practice anything except Islam, but Christianity gives people the ability to practice what they want to.

" countries with secular governments any who choose to do so"

Muslims don't allow Muslim women the freedom to be without those burkas. There may be some countries with a mix of religions, but Muslims don't allow their women ANY freedom - secular govt. or not.

"Except when you harass as decribed below"

Harass? I disagreed with you. And you think my disagreement is harassment? Don't live in a Muslim country or you will really understand what harassment really is!!!!! You idiot infidel.

"Life for fundamentalist conservative Christians begins at conception and ends at brith"

First, what is a "fundamentalist" Christian. You either are or you are not. As far as stereotyping and labeling by the fringe left (you), is that not harassment. Christians are constantly held to a different standard than truly fundamentalist, violent religions such as Islam.

Can you say hypocrisy? Or double standard? LOL!!

That was easy

Your ole pal

Sarah

Johnny Rico

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

You never answered my original post. You sure wanted to stay away from those darn analogies don't you! LOL.

"Everyone is free to choose their own version!"

Really! Then why do you disparage Christians for practicing their religion? Islam doesn't give folks the freedom to practice anything except Islam, but Christianity gives people the ability to practice what they want to.

" countries with secular governments any who choose to do so"

Muslims don't allow Muslim women the freedom to be without those burkas. There may be some countries with a mix of religions, but Muslims don't allow their women ANY freedom - secular govt. or not.

"Except when you harass as decribed below"

Harass? I disagreed with you. And you think my disagreement is harassment? Don't live in a Muslim country or you will really understand what harassment really is!!!!! You idiot infidel.

"Life for fundamentalist conservative Christians begins at conception and ends at brith"

First, what is a "fundamentalist" Christian. You either are or you are not. As far as stereotyping and labeling by the fringe left (you), is that not harassment. Christians are constantly held to a different standard than truly fundamentalist, violent religions such as Islam.

Can you say hypocrisy? Or double standard? LOL!!

That was easy

Your ole pal

Sarah

Johnny Rico

Sarkazein said...

"... I am going bra-less today. I might even wear extra tight yoga pants whilst working out at the Wellness Center."- Johnny Rico

Hallelujah

guy faulkes said...

Life for fundamentalist conservative Christians begins at conception and ends at brith. - Liberalproverbs18:2

Life does indeed begin at conception. However, liberals support murdering babies before birth. They call this abortion.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Liberals focus on life after birth, avoiding unnecessary war, education, Universal Health Care, Prenatal Care, Safe Neighborhoods, Living Wages for the Parents, Justice, reducing prison populations, affordable housing, end to death penalty, stopping bullying, Social security for the elderly, Medicare, pensions from employers, strong unions to represent wage earning workers.

All the things conservatiives oppose.

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POVs said:

"Unnecessary war"

What war is unnecessary that we are currently fighting? You infidels yapped about Iraq yet we are still there fighting and dying. As long as you are in charge of it, it is ok, right?

"Education"

You mean an entitlement program? Liberals believe a college education is a right when it, or course, is not. Students should work for a college education if they want it, not have it handed to them. A gift given has no value. Our schools are getting worse and worse. This is due to a lack of discipline perpetuated by liberals. We need corporal punishment back in schools, as well as a healthy dose of reading, writing, and rithmatic. We don't need more "education" focusing on alternative lifestyles or other nonsense.

"Health Care"

There was nothing wrong with health care in the first place. If criminals (illegal aliens) can recieve free health care (all 30 million of them) then how in the world do we have a problem?

"Safe Neighborhoods"

How have liberal socialists caused neighborhoods to be safer? Here in Watauga County, the crime rate has steadily risen over the past 30 years. Before liberal socialist outsiders like the POVs arrived, our County had nearly 0 crime. Weapons laws and more cops are two pseudo-solutions proposed by liberals that have led to LESS SAFE neighborhoods. Liberals don't believe in personal responsibility which is a cornerstone of a safe neighborhood.

"Living Wages for Parents"

What would you tell to all the out of work stone masons, carpenters, house painters, dry wallers, landscapers, and young boys trying to make a buck in the summer? I wonder if they would believe your insane babble about living wages. When the local stone mason in Blowing Rock was put out of work by illegal aliens building the Blowing Rock Fire Substation on Highway US 221, many commented on how liberal greed is ruining our once great country.

LOL!! Getting a little hot ain't it?

Johnny Rico said...

"Justice"

Please define. A soccer player in Florida was handed a felony assault charge after a scuffle on the playing field. Liberal laws have just ruined a high school students life for what once would have been settled over a handshake. Then again, if you consider a Black Panther getting off scott free after threatening voters with a club, then I guess your notions of justice are skewed anyway.

"Prison population"

See above. You idiots are the ones passing thousands and thousands of laws that put those people in jail. Weapons laws are a prime example. The New Jersey man convicted of weapons charges for having two pistols locked in his trunk is yet another example. This man, until Gov. Christie commuted his sentence, was going to spend 5 years in prison for exercising his 2nd Amendment rights!!!!! Look no further than yourselves!

"affordable housing"

This one takes the cake. You idiots moved to Watauga County and began buying land up at unprecedented rates. The price went up as a result. And now you complain about affordable housing? Amazing and hypocritical. Move back to whatever cesspool you came from and the problem is solved!

"End to Death Penalty"

So you want violent crime to rise?

"Stopping bullying"

This is why they have Karate Dojos and mixed martial arts and wrestling

"SS for elderly"

We already have that. What we don't have are people who think ahead and do things that will allow them to live in social security (you)

"Strong Unions"

Oh, that's real smart. The unions are a prime reason most of our manufacturing has moved overseas. The sanitation workers union in NYC really did a good job removing snow this winter didn't they? Is that the type of unioin you want running things? You claim to hate corporate America, yet you support unions. Hypocrisy.

Look, I know this stings and you don't want any part of answering my posts, but you idiots need some educating from time to time. LOL!!!!

Your ole pal

Angie Vasofros

Johnny Rico

PS Have any of you idiots watched the video entitled "No Guns for Negros"? LOL!!!

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socailist Sheep POVs,

Why do you disparage Christians for practicing their religion? Islam doesn't give folks the freedom to practice anything except Islam, but Christianity gives people the ability to practice what they want to. Also, what is a "fundamentalist" Christian? You either are or you are not. As far as stereotyping and labeling by the fringe left (you), is that not harassment. Christians are constantly held to a different standard than truly fundamentalist, violent religions such as Islam.

You have some answering to do my Troglydyte friends. LOL!!!!!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

PS Even a collective of liberals stands no chance against ONE freedom thinker

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

Thank you for supporting my post that for Conservatives life begins at conception and ends at birth.

guy faulkes said...

Do you never tire of chanting La La La La La, Liberalproverbs18:2? If you are not capable of an original rebuttal, could you not check with you masters for some different talking points? You are BORING.

Johnny "Victory" Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POVs said:

"Thank you for supporting my post that for Conservatives life begins at conception and ends at birth."

Is this it? Is this all you can muster? Another anemic response by the beaten ones. LOL!!!

Victory is so sweet, and I never tire of it no matter how easy it is!!!! LOL..

Your ole pal

Johnny "Victory" Rico

Samantha Volvorias

Johnny " said...

Well Guy, looks like we polished the village idiots off pretty handily on this one. LOL!! On to other freedom threads to do literary battle with the liberal socialist sheep.

Victory, once again, is sweet.

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico


PS Shylock, Tricycle Lard, Blowing Rock in Blue, Brushfire, JW Williamson and all the other blithering idiots; do you crass elitests wanna take a shot at the title again? LOL

PSS Still waiting on my apology for when you idiots called the Tucson shooter a Tea Party activist when in fact he is a dyed in the wool liberal socialist just LIKE YA'LL!!! LOL. Truth hurts.

Johnny Rico said...

They've quit (again). LOL!!!