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Friday, February 25, 2011

Obama Doing End Run On Gun Control?

This one by Guy goes with his next one:
ATF

80 comments:

Liberal POV said...

Teahadist

Good to see Republicans are serious about solving America's problems of the economy, war, prison over population, joblessness, budget deficit, injustice, aging infustructure, America's youth droping in competive education with the rest of the world, increasing health care cost, corruption.

Republicans attacking the civil rights of Gays, inventing gun fetish issues, attacking union workers who are amomg the few wage earning Americans still making a living wage should fix all of the above.

We sure as hell know those gays caused ALL of Newt's marriages to fail! What a jerk!

Wolf's Head said...

Better check your meds cracker.

guy faulkes said...

The point of this thread, is not necessarily gun control. It is this administration's efforts to circumvent the legislative branch of the government by doing such things as letting the EPA create what are essentially CAP and TRADE restrictions without using the Legislature. He did the same thing with the BATF and this measure.

Liberal POV said...

Conservative movement created diversions, of scapegoats, fear and bigotry.

No problems solved.

Wolf's Head said...

Liberalism is the problem.

Liberal POV said...

Wolf

"Liberalism is the problem"

Another example of scapegoating rather than problem solving.

Sarkazein said...

Yes, to solve a problem you must first ignore it.

oatz said...

By ignoring the DOMA act and over reaching on gun control President Obama is ignoring his sworn oath to protect and defend the Consitution. I know in his minds they are "just words", but checks and balances in Government are important and bypassing rules is Unconsituional should any one in Congress have the stones to start Impeachment proceedings against President Obama.

Wolf's Head said...

Identifying the problem, such as yourself and your fellow liberals, isn't ignoring the problem.

It seems the rest of the country has identified you as a problem as well, evidenced by the last elections.

"Scapegoats" are innocents falsely accused of something, whereas liberals are correctly identified here as THE problem.

Jack said...

As long as there's a smorgasbord of topics, remember negative externalities?

Oh, and what happened to the midterm contest?

Jack said...

Smorgasbord continued; the Congressional Budget Office's estimation of HR 2.

Oh, and what happened to the midterm contest?

Johnny Rico said...

Hussein Obama is trying to nominate Traver as the ATF Director. Traver, from Chicago if you can believe that, believes citizens of this country do not have the right to keep and bear arms. This is an example of the "End Run" that Guy Faulks speaks of.

Another example takes place with Billary Clinton and the UN. Clinton, for the first time ever, added the US as a signatory to the UN Gun Ban, which, as gun grabbers spin it, is really designed to prevent illicit small arms trafficking. Their definition of illicit is what concerns American Gun Owners.

Yet another end run on guns is Hussein Obama's two recent nominations to the Supreme Court. Stocking the Supreme Court with activists intent on tearing apart the Constitution is reprehensible and frankly, criminal. Remember Sotomayor told us during her confirmation hearing that the 2nd Amendment was "settled law" only to vote against McDonald in his famous case "McDonald vs Chicago".

Hussein Obama is indeed doing an end run on guns, but equally important is his end run on the entire Consititution. There are a few fringe left extremists on this site (Liberal POVs, Yack, etc) who salivate from their well worn orafices over the thought of dismanteling one of the provisions in US law that has made this nation great.

Gun Control will remain the spear's point of freedom in America. Sort of a litmus test. When the 2nd Amendment goes, similar to the Dome of the Rock during the end times, all else will follow. With the extreme amount of genocide occurring immediately after removal of arms throughout history, it is reasonable to believe the need for arms in the hands of society is "settled law". Unfortunately, the liberal socialist sheep are neither reasonable, nor of this society.

Johnny Rico

Johnny Rico said...

Now that we are on the topic, has anyone noticed that Switzerland's referendum on keeping fully automatic weapons in the home was won by the pro-gun electorate in a very, very convincing fashion (nearly 60% supporting)? Had the referendum went the other way, fringe left journalists would've plastered it everywhere for weeks. Sad how they don't report news they disagree with. I often wonder when America will finally rid itself of the liberal-led news media and replace it with something more fair and balanced like FOX (fox is also fringe left, just not to the extent that other outlets are).

Go Switzerland. You have an extreme amount of machine guns in homes and throughout society with very few problems. Do any of the liberal socialist sheep care to discuss the chief dynamic separating Switzerland from the US in terms of crime rates? Yes, that first thought that popped into your mind is the same one that everyone else is thinking of. Do you have the guts to mention it or are you going to continue your politically correct emotional rants highlighting your ignorance? LOL

Johnny Rico

Liberal POV said...

Teahadist

You post on fake issues like guns and gay marriage to the benefit of the Banksters who have stole assets of working Americans. These are real criminals you defend.

Wake up and stop being suckers for the bait of fake issues.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFWjXQLDkXg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpcTkfmR8Nw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffDX2x5-gzg

Wolf's Head said...

Cracker lpov, do you ever pull your nose from "The Daily Kos"s rear end?

Sarkazein said...

Even though the Left's demonstrations are more violent and have much more violent rhetoric than the Right's demonstrations, the warped liberal mind can find humor in the insult Teahadist.

Liberal POV said...

Wolf

"Cracker lpov, do you ever pull your nose from "The Daily Kos"s rear end?"

What has the Banksters done for you?

Why do you agree with corporate citizenship?

Goldman Sachs controlling the United States Treasury under both political parties and not even having to pay more that 15% tax on the money they took fraudulently stole from the pension funds of working Americans and taxpayers is your idea of good Capitalism?

What will it take for you to get your head around the fact these people (Banksters, Oil Industry, Insurance) have no loyality to you, your son in the military or the United States of America?

With their propaganda they have you fighting against your own interest.

Go fine some facts where the Koch Brothers, Bank of America, Citi Bank, Goldman Sachs or Exxon care about the common good of America or humanity?

guy faulkes said...

Get back on subject, Liberalproverbs18:2. Obama is trying to circumvent the Legislative branch. you have not addressed the subject with anything you have said. You have no argument, so you try to change the subject with more La La La La La.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

How will the phony gun fetish issue resolve any of the following problems?

Please explain how the Congress of the United States spending time increassing the power of the gun lobby helps solve any of the following problems?

Job, Living Wages, Educating America's youth, Deficit, Affordable Health Care, Wall Street corruption and fraud, gangs, drug use, exploding prison population, failing infustrusctre, Aging Population, Immagration reform, ending the two wars?

This is an example of logic by the conservative movement to prove they are dangerous and should not be in power.

Conservatives have no solutions, no plans, no vision and no morality.

guy faulkes said...

In retrospect, I should have asked Blogger to combine this thread and the next one. While this thread is about Obama's attempt to circumvent the Legislative branch and the next ti about his attempt to circumvent the Judicial branch, they are so similar that it may be cumbersome to treat them as different threads. The point is that he is making an illegal power grab in both cases.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Please answer the follow questions and they shouldn't be left or right.


Why do you agree with corporate citizenship?

Goldman Sachs controlling the United States Treasury under both political parties and not even having to pay more that 15% tax on the money they took fraudulently stole from the pension funds of working Americans and taxpayers is your idea of good Capitalism?

What will it take for you to get your head around the fact these people (Banksters, Oil Industry, Insurance) have no loyality to you, your family or the United States of America?

With their propaganda they have you fighting against your own interest.

Go find some facts where the Koch Brothers, Bank of America, Citi Bank, Goldman Sachs or Exxon care about the common good of America or humanity?

Johnny Rico said...

Looks like the Liberal POVs were unable to answer my posts yet again. Yapping about Goldman Sachs and other such nonesense to derail the subject. LOL!! Remember when Hussein Obama received massive campaign contributions from oil companies? LOL!!!

Guns keep America free. Too bad the fringe leftist liberals (POVs) are too stupid to recognize it.

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Liberal POV said...

Guy


Please explain how the Congress of the United States spending time increassing the power of the gun lobby helps solve any of the following problems?

Job, Living Wages, Educating America's youth, Deficit, Affordable Health Care, Wall Street corruption and fraud, gangs, drug use, exploding prison population, failing infustrusctre, Aging Population, Immagration reform, ending the two wars?

Johnny "Stinger" Rico said...

Please explain your reluctance to comment on the video entitled "No Guns for Negros". Most gun control laws are racist, discriminatory laws seeking to disarm the poor and minorities (Sullivan Law for instance). If you care about living wages, rights of the proletariet, and common sense legislation, then gun control should be at the top of your list, right?

You liberals claim to fight for the common man, but in the gun arena, perhaps the most pressing right the common man is consistently denied, you take a pass. This, as usual, means you are a hypocrite. The same as when you called the Tucson shooter a Tea Party Activist when he was in fact a left-wing, communist liberal socialist sheep. LOL!!!

Beat that you idiots

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

sarah

Stings don't it

Anonymous said...

I see that Lying Ignorant Bastard (L.I.B.) is back again asking questions even though he hasn't answered the few simple questions previously put to him about his prior lying, ignorant posts.

I thought I asked a couple of simple questions....

1. Where and how did the WISCONSIN TEACHERS have their pension fund stolen.

2. A source showing where the WISCONSIN TEACHERS were being asked for a 13% salary cut.

This lying bastard keeps making up stuff ad posting it, yet when challenged just ignores the facts and moves on to the next set of lies

Liberal POV said...

Anonymous

The Wisconsin teachers had their pension fund stolen by the same banksters who stole pension and 401k funds all over America.

The most pension funds were only invested very conservatively in triple A rated funds. Goldman Sachs with Citi Bank, Bank of America and their people on the inside of government gave triple A rating to junk high risk security.

The investment banks like Goldman Sacks bet against the same funds they reassured pension fund managers were aggressively selling as safe triple a rated investments.

This was the greatest transfer of wealth in history from middle class 401ks, university endowments, state and local pension fund, union pension funds to the wealthiest American Wall Street criminals.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFWjXQLDkXg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpcTkfmR8Nw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffDX2x5-gzg


Why do you defend such criminals?

Liberal POV said...

Anonymous


Please answer the follow questions and they shouldn't be left or right.


Why do you agree with corporate citizenship?

Goldman Sachs controlling the United States Treasury under both political parties and not even having to pay more that 15% tax on the money they fraudulently stole from the pension funds of working Americans and taxpayers is your idea of good Capitalism?

What will it take for you to get your head around the fact these people (Banksters, Oil Industry, Insurance) have no loyality to you, your family or the United States of America?

With their propaganda they have you fighting against your own interest.

Go find some facts where the Koch Brothers, Bank of America, Citi Bank, Goldman Sachs or Exxon care about the common good of America or humanity?

Anonymous said...

The Wisconsin teachers had their pension fund stolen by the same banksters who stole pension and 401k funds all over America.


you lying ignorant bastard...provide ONE link showing where the Wisconsin teachers had a pension fund with Goldman Sachs or any other major brokerage and show us how it was stolen and when.

You can't. You just make stuff up. You are a liar and an idiot.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...

I see that Lying Ignorant Bastard (L.I.B.) is back again asking questions even though he hasn't answered the few simple questions previously put to him about his prior lying, ignorant posts.

I thought I asked a couple of simple questions....

1. Where and how did the WISCONSIN TEACHERS have their pension fund stolen.

2. A source showing where the WISCONSIN TEACHERS were being asked for a 13% salary cut.


L.I.B. repeats his lies but still does not have a link to show any evidence at all of wisconsin teachers pension fund being invested with a brokerage firm or being "robbed" from them.

Everyone has also noticed I am sure, that he hasn't had any luck proving that Wisconsin teachers were asked to take a 13% pay cut either...or even a pay and benefit cut. He just makes crap up and you guys let him get away with it.

guy faulkes said...

Liberalproverbs18:2 is back with his off topic La La La La La chants again. I thought you were going to block his trying to hijack the thread,Blogger. Hi asking the same old questions that have been answered countless times does nothing for the discussion.

Liberal POV said...

Anonymous


You seem be obsessed over two issue with me at the moment.

Is it your claim the teacher's retirement fund was not affected by Wall Street's fraudulent scheme of over rating high risk securities and at the same time of reassuring pension funds and 401ks themselves betting against the same funds as Goldman Sachs and others)did ? The same criminals (Goldman Sachs) then with connections inside of government gets tens of billions in bailout funds at taxpayer expense and took millions each in bonuses and get an extension on the Bush Tax Cuts for the wealthy.

Do you believe none of this happened?

In Wisconsin Republican Governor Walker and his allies pushed through $140 million in new spending for special-interest groups in January."

"In a Wednesday op-ed, the Capitol Times of Madison picked up on this theme.

In its Jan. 31 memo to legislators on the condition of the state's budget, the Fiscal Bureau determined that the state will end the year with a balance of $121.4 million.
To the extent that there is an imbalance -- Walker claims there is a $137 million deficit -- it is not because of a drop in revenues or increases in the cost of state employee contracts, benefits or pensions. It is because Walker and his allies pushed through $140 million in new spending for special-interest groups in January."


"They’re angered by Walker’s plan to take away collective bargaining rights on many issues from most public employee unions, including teachers.

State employees would have to pay at least 12.6 percent of the cost of their health insurance premiums รข€” the average state employee pays 6 percent. For teachers and other local government workers, it would mean employers would decide how much of their premiums employees would pay themselves.

Public employees who are part of the Wisconsin Retirement System, including teachers, would pay 5.8 percent of their salaries as pension costs. Currently, they pay little or nothing into their pension costs."

http://live-news.co.tv/2011/02/17/entertainment/burning-questions-weac-members-take-stand-against-gov-scott-walker-appleton-post-crescent.html

Why should teachers and wage earning Americans be the ones making sacrifices as the wealthy get continued tax cut and bonuses?

Johnny Rico said...

The POVs don't want to touch Hussein Obama's end run on gun control. Why do they ignore the issue? Is it because they realize the conservatives are blatently correct on the fact that liberals are gun grabbers who discriminate against the poor as well as ethnicity? LOL!! I wouldn't want to answer that one either!

Liberal socialist sheep fluffer POVs, have you watched the video entitled "No Guns For Negros" yet?

LOL!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Sarah

Stings don't it

PS If Laura Logan had been armed, perhaps she wouldn't have been violently raped and beaten for 30 minutes by MUSLIMS. LOL!!

Anonymous said...

lying ignorant bastard..

If you are so damned sure that goldman sachs stole the wisconsin teachers pension fund, why can't you post a link showing ANY information about their fund? You know, the one that got stolen?

Can you at least show us a link that shows the value of their pension fund at the end of each of the past few years? Something? anything? Are you sure they even HAVE a pension fund?

The answer s no. You know nothing...you are ignorant and you think you can just make crap up and nobody will challeng you on it. Even when you are shown to be wrong (almost every thread) you are such a stupid bastard that you not only don't feel the embarassment you should, you just come back with more lies and bull shit.

Just show us your source for your statements.

I thought I asked a couple of simple questions....

1. Where and how did the WISCONSIN TEACHERS have their pension fund stolen.

2. A source showing where the WISCONSIN TEACHERS were being asked for a 13% salary cut.

This lying bastard keeps making up stuff ad posting it, yet when challenged just ignores the facts and moves on to the next set of lies

Liberal POV said...

Anonymous

Thanks for giving me another opportunity to post this.

These are the links you wanted that my comments are based on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFWjXQLDkXg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpcTkfmR8Nw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffDX2x5-gzg

Why do you agree with corporate citizenship?

What will it take for you to get your head around the fact these people (Banksters, Oil Industry, Insurance) have no loyalty to you, your family or the United States of America?

Find some facts where the Koch Brothers, Bank of America, Citi Bank, Goldman Sachs or Exxon care about the common good of America or humanity?

Anonymous said...

which of those links do YOU think tells us where the Wi Teachers Pension fund was invested? Maybe you could quote what YOU think supports your lies

You are desperate!

Stupid, lying and desperate!

Simple request...just provide us with a factual link showing when, where and how the Wi teachers pension fund was 'robbed'. Maybe you could just start with a link that shows some specifics about the Wi Teachers Pension fund.

Anonymous said...

blogger...why do you continue to post the lies of this lying ignorant bastard L.I.B?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous

What more can I give you??

TELL ME WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM?

Is it your opinion Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street banks committed no wrong doing?

Is it your belief the mortgage packages were in deed triple A securities?

Is it your opinions pensions funds and personal 401k did not suffer because of Wall Street wrong doing?

What is your opinion of the percentage of total compensation Wisconsin Teachers are being ask to concede?

What is the shared sacrifice being made by America's wealthy?

guy ffaulkes said...

Liberalproverbs18;2 is hiding again. No answers for you until you get back on topic, Anonymous/Liberalproverbs18:2.

Liberal POV said...

Blogger Guy

Do you want a competition of real ideas and real debate or like Johnny and Anonymous want just to heckle and insult?

Please explain how the Congress of the United States spending time increasing the power of the gun lobby helps solve any of the following problems?

Job, Living Wages, Educating America's youth, Deficit, Affordable Health Care, Wall Street corruption and fraud, gangs, drug use, exploding prison population, failing infrastructure, Aging Population, Immigration reform, ending the two wars?

guy faulkes said...

No answers for Liberalproverbs18:2's off topic hijack attempts.

Do you wan to talk about Obama trying to circumvent the legislative and Judicial branches, dolt?

Liberal POV said...

Guy

"Do you wan to talk about Obama trying to Do you wan to talk about Obama trying to circumvent the legislative and Judicial branches, dolt?"

This is just another Conservative fake issue, Bush started the war in Iraq by circumvent the legislative and Judicial branches.

What will conservatives do to find answers to these problems?

Jobs, Living Wages, Educating America's youth, Deficit, Affordable Health Care, Wall Street corruption and fraud, gangs, drug use, exploding prison population, failing infrastructure, Aging Population, Immigration reform, ending the two wars?

guy faullkes said...

Liberalproverbs18:2, I did not think you could make a logical argument on the topic. You get no answers for your off topic La La La La La hijacking attempts that have been covered innumerable times. Maybe we can house break you to stay on topic.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

"You get no answers for your off topic La La La La La"

Like I repeatedly comment here the Conservative Movement has NO Answers!

guy faulkes said...

You have had them many times, dolt. Your days of obstruction are over.

Anonymous said...

What a Lying Ignorant Bastard.

NOT ONE LINK to anything discussing the theft of the Wi Pension fund. He posts a link to a you-tube video where ultra left liberal writer Matt Taibie discusses HIS opinion of the financial markets but doesn't even MENTION the Wisconsin teachers...yet stupid L.I.Bastard uses this as his source that the WISCONSIN teachers had their pension fund stolen?

Maybe he is just easily misled, but I don't think so..I think he is ignorant about what is going on in the world, and is a LIAR to boot.

Dishonest, unethical, Lying Ignorant Bastard!

Blogger said...

"blogger...why do you continue to post the lies of this lying ignorant bastard L.I.B?"
Anonymous, I don't post them. They are automatic unless HD or I block one or sometimes they look like spam,especially when someone comes in as anonymous.

When I write something myself which is important to me personally, then I block Lib when he tries to trick people off the subject.

Otherwise, I just keep asking everyone why they feed the beast. In psychology this is called reinforcing the unwanted behavior. Extinguishing unwanted behavior is done by ignoring it or punishing it. In Libs case, he seems to thrive on punishment.

My advice to you is just to not read his comments and definitely don't respond. We have a lot of other really astute people commenting on this blog. They are worth reading.

Anonymous said...

The problem is blogger, that when the lying ignorant bastard posts one of his lying ignorant posts, then half the rest of the participants on this blog jump in and he drags us all down to his level.

I guess it's human nature..

It would be fine to share opinions here, and to discuss opposing views...but these lies all the time?

Liberal POV said...

Blogger, Guy and Anonymous

Most of my post are in the form of a question you should be asking yourselves.

Anonymous is upset at the figure of 13% I used as the amount of total compensation teachers in Wisconson were giving up but refused to say what he though the correct figure in his own mind should be.
How do you have a debate when one party refuses to say what their position is?
Blogger what is the purpose of this blog?

Is it to sperad right wing propaganda or have a debate between Conservative and Liberals?

What is the conservative positions on the following?

Why do you agree with corporate citizenship?

Goldman Sachs controlling the United States Treasury under both political parties and not even having to pay more that 15% tax on the money they fraudulently stole from the pension funds of working Americans and taxpayers is your idea of good Capitalism?

Is it your opinion Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street banks committed no wrong doing?

Is it your belief the mortgage packages were in deed triple A securities?

Is it your opinions pensions funds and personal 401k did not suffer because of Wall Street wrong doing?

What is your opinion of the percentage of total compensation Wisconsin Teachers are being ask to concede?

What is the shared sacrifice being made by America's wealthy?

Anonymous said...

L.I.B.

You stated 2 things as facts

I state that you were a lying ignorant liar.

It isn't a question of opinion. It's a question of whether you lied or not.

If you DIDN'T lie, you can just post the links showing where the WI TEACHERS PENSION fund was robbed. So far you haven't been able to do it.....because it didn't happen and because you are a stupid liar who, when caught, won't even admit it but wants to change the subject.

When you state as a fact that the Wisconsin Teachers are being asked for a 13% pay reduction, you should be able to provide a source for that number. Not ask what someone else thinks the number might be. You claimed it. I just asked for a link supporting it.

You can't provide a link because it's another one of your stupid ignorant lies. You made it up. It didn't happen. AND THATS why you can't provide a source for the number.

Why don't you either provide the proof, or admit you lied, or just go the hell away and post your lying ignorant crap over on watauga watch where they ignore you?

Otherwise...

I thought I asked a couple of simple questions....

1. Where and how did the WISCONSIN TEACHERS have their pension fund stolen.

2. A source showing where the WISCONSIN TEACHERS were being asked for a 13% salary cut.

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POVs,

I see you are unable to answer my posts. Were you born stupid or did you just get that way somehow. I see that you whined to Blogger about me. LOL!! Does the little boo boo need a hot toddy? Little Pooh pooh. LOL!!

What you are really saying when you do that is Johnny Rico won. Yes, the great Johnny Rico bested you again. LOL!!

More guns equals less crime, and the doorway to all freedoms is framed with muskets. Even troglydites like you benefit from a well armed populace. LOL!!

Have you viewed the video entitled "No Guns for Negros" yet? And have you apologized to me for calling the Tucson Shooter a Tea Party activist while in fact he WAS A LIBERAL JUST LIKE YOU? That one certainly stings don't it? And would Laura Logan been gang raped and beaten had she had a gun? Why do the liberal news outlets still refuse to report on the MUSLIM RAPE OF A LIBERAL REPORTER? LOL!!!!!

Tough questions, tough questions. With questions such as these, it is no doubt you dodge and parry so much!!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Babsy

PS The Sullivan Law disarmed Italian and Irish immigrants in NYC. As usual, all gun control laws are racist and discriminatory (like you idiots).

Liberal POV said...

Anonymous

More on injustice of Wisconsin Teachers and the link you were looking for.

"2008: A very bad year for Wisconsin

For states, growing concerns about their credit raised their borrowing costs. Estimates suggest that a one percent interest rate hike on a $1 billion bond issue would cost taxpayers roughly $10 million a year. In 2008, rates in Wisconsin more than tripled, reaching 15 percent.

Wisconsin, other states, and scores of town and cities around the country also lost big after going to Wall Street to buy variable-rate auction securities and other types of structured financial products. The market for auction-rate securities collapsed in early 2008, leaving states and municipalities holding the bag. Goldman and other Wall Street banks agreed that year to pay a total of $160 million in fines over and repurchase $15 billion worth these securities to settle several state probes into the transactions.

"The bottom fell out. As the state’s auditor told lawmakers last fall in explaining the long-term impact of Wisconsin pension funds losing nearly $24 billion in 2008:

[T]he value of Wisconsin Retirement System assets has fluctuated significantly over the past ten years as financial markets have experienced their worst decline since the 1930s. For example, losses in 2008 totaled $23.6 billion. While these losses were partially offset by gains of $13.5 billion in 2009, the combined value of the two retirement funds on December 31, 2009, was 17.1 percent below its peak in 2007. The losses of 2008 will significantly affect Retirement System participants and employers for the next several years.

http://perdidostreetschool.blogspot.com/2011/02/how-goldman-sachs-and-wall-street.html

http://editorialcartoonists.com/cartoon/display.cfm/96161/

Anonymous said...

Fumbling around and lying for all this time and now, at least, you found a cite that MENTIONS the Wisconsin pensions. Too bad it doesn't show anything about how the teachers pension fund was stolen from them.

Try a little more research...you might find that Wi Pension funding for public employees is among the most solvent of anyones. A fact even noted by the Huffington Post!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/22/wisconsin-pension-fund-among-healthiest-us_n_826709.html

Face in you lying ignorant bastard. You can't show any annual reports showing that the Wi Teachers Pension fund was robbed....or that it has had any significant declines over any sustained periods of time. Losses in one year which merely gave back some of the gains from prior years, and which were also partially offset by gains in the following year, don't indicate any "robbery" of pension funds.

It's really simple..

I thought I asked a couple of simple questions....

1. Where and how did the WISCONSIN TEACHERS have their pension fund stolen.

2. A source showing where the WISCONSIN TEACHERS were being asked for a 13% salary cut.

We are still waiting.

Harrison Bergeron said...

After four years of a Democrat held Congress, two years of a Democrat supermajority, a couple of trillion dollars borrowed and spent by the Obama administration, one would think that the problems with the economy, war, prison population, joblessness, budget deficit, injustice, aging infrastructure, worsening education and corruption would be well on their way to being solved. Looks as if a child born today being instantly in debt $40,000 to the federal government won't be getting his money's worth.

Anonymous said...

I don't understand. If gun control is a fake nonissue, then why is Obama wasting borrowed tax dollars on it?

Liberal POV said...

Anonymous

It appears the compensation concessions by Wisconsin teachers is approximately 7% not 13%. The 12.6% is the amount they will have to pay toward their health care cost.

The broader issue remains the same, Republican felt a 5% increase in taxes on the wealthiest Americas by eliminating the Bush Tax Cuts was unfair but 7% reduction in income is some how fair for wage earning teachers.

Why do you support a political system stacked against working Americans?

Anonymous said...

Are you admitting you lied when you posted that they were being asked for a 13% pay cut?

You make up crap with NO basis for it; post it as fact and then make wild accusations which only show more of you ignorance. 7% is a LONG way from 13%!

Just like your lying ignorant assertions about a tax cut for the wealthy. Show us where 'the wealthy' got a tax cut other than general tax cuts that applied to everyone...even people who don't pay income taxes (like you, most likely)

Maybe taxes should be raised; I believe government expenses should be cut, but if taxes need to be raised, so be it. Just raise them on EVERYBODY so that, at least, EVERYBODY will have an interest in efficient government.

Now that you've admitted that you are a liar, perhaps you will be a little more careful with the "facts" you make up and post (but I doubt it)

Bushrod Gentry said...

Some thoughts on Liberal POV and his ilk.

Occasionally I meet a conservative or libertarian who is frustrated with dealing with a member of the far left. Perhaps I can help. Communists progressives, socialists, liberals or collectivists all have one thing in common. They are in favor of a heavy-handed government coercing the earnings from others In short, they advocate robbery by proxy. This moral lapse is the primary imperative of the left It is their Nicene Creed, their Holy Grail. Taking from others is no longer a means to an end. It is an end in and of itself. It no longer matters to them that the money goes to a good purpose or a bad purpose or is simply wasted. The important thing is the taking. Once this fact is recognized, then it becomes easy to recognize the fruit of their poisoned tree, such as bearing false witness or character assassination. Object to being robbed and instantly one is branded as a bigot , a homophobe or a racist. It doesn't matter to the left that it isn't true. They know that. What is important to them is to distract you and discredit you with labels. Please remember that dealing with the left is much the same as dealing with a burglar in your home It is not important to argue or explain things to him. It is only important to stop him by any legal means necessary.

Liberal POV said...

Bushrod Gentry

Republicans felt a 5% increase in taxes on the wealthiest Americas by eliminating the Bush Tax Cuts was unfair but 7% reduction in income is some how fair for wage earning teachers.

Why do you support a political system stacked against working Americans?

Republicans attacking the civil rights of Gays, inventing gun fetish issues, attacking union workers who are amomg the few wage earning Americans still making a living wage in what way betters America?


Why do you agree with corporate citizenship?

Is it your opinion Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street banks committed no wrong doing?

What will it take for you to get your head around the fact these people (Banksters, Oil Industry, Insurance) have no loyality to you, your family or the United States of America?

Wolf's Head said...

Well Bushrod, it appears that Cracker lpov has proved your point.

Rather than rationally demonstrate it's stand, it tries to tie you to class oppression and hatred.

A pathetic, but all too predictable reaction by a leftist moron.

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal socialist sheep povs (notice lower case),

I see you inept dolts are still unable to answer those tough questions. LOL!! Here they are again so you may look at them and realize your moral foundations are substandard, outdated, racist, and discriminatory.

Have you viewed the video entitled "No Guns for Negros" yet? And have you apologized to me for calling the Tucson Shooter a Tea Party activist while in fact he WAS A LIBERAL JUST LIKE YOU? That one certainly stings don't it? And would Laura Logan been gang raped and beaten had she had a gun? Why do the liberal news outlets still refuse to report on the MUSLIM RAPE OF A LIBERAL REPORTER? LOL

Your ole pal

Johnny "Stinger" Rico

Claire Lehamann

guy faulkes said...

Once again I have to agree with the Wolf. Bushrod Gentry made his point and Liberalproverbs18:2 rushed to prove him correct.

Liberal POV said...

Guy, Wolf, and Anonymous

Just because you make slightly more then the lady making bisquits at Hardees doesn't mean you and your family are not in a similar deminishing standard of living.

The people you support like the Koch Brothers, or Art Pope plan to screw you and your family just like the lady at Hardees.

These people are in the process of buying the American political system, not for you but themselves.

Ask youself the following question.

Republicans felt a 5% increase in taxes on the wealthiest Americas by eliminating the Bush Tax Cuts was unfair but 7% reduction in income is some how fair for wage earning teachers.

Why do you support a political system stacked against working Americans?

Republicans attacking the civil rights of Gays, inventing gun fetish issues, attacking union workers who are amomg the few wage earning Americans still making a living wage in what way betters America?


Why do you agree with corporate citizenship?

Is it your opinion Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street banks committed no wrong doing?

What will it take for you to get your head around the fact these people (Banksters, Oil Industry, Insurance) have no loyality to you, your family or the United States of America?

http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/10/27/762445/art-pope-a-one-man-republican.html

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/06/04/215820/-Meet-Art-Pope:-NCs-very-own-Karl-Rove

guy faulkes said...

Liberalproverbs18:2, you jsut keep proving Bushrod Gentry's point. You can't help yourself.

It is hilarious.

guy faulkes said...

This is an interesting idea. Are you aware of this group, Sark?

http://theintelhub.com/2011/02/26/first-ever-%E2%80%93-austinites-outbid-police-in-hun-buyback-counter-program/

Sarkazein said...

Guy Faulkes- I had not heard of this group before. I'm not sure what to think of it.

Sarkazein said...

Guy Faulkes- I would be curious to see how many serial numbers match to stolen guns.

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POVs,

You still haven't answered my posts nor apologized for calling the Tucson Shooter a Tea Party Activist when in fact he was ONE OF YOU - a fringe left freak who hates America. LOL!!!

Stings don't it

Your ole pal



Johnny Rico

guy faulkes said...

Sark, I would not think very many would have been stolen guns. After all the original "turn in" was to a law enforcement agency. Crooks are stupid, but surely even they would realize records of who turned in which gun would be kept and the serial numbers checked. I would guess most of the guns had been in the family until the blood line watered down to political correctness became the family motto. I would say some excellent buys on some very good guns were obtained.

I had a friend that was an armature gunsmith. He had a bunch of old clunkers that people had given him to use for parts when fixing them was not practical. He took them to a gun buy back and got enough to buy a pretty expensive new gun for his son. As the link says, cash for clunkers in the gun world was achieved.

guy faulkes said...

Sark and Rico, dated -but it is something you should see.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WKLXCHgOiA

Liberal POV said...

Teahadist

Lets see your response?

Just because you make slightly more then the lady making bisquits at Hardees doesn't mean you and your family are not in a similar deminishing standard of living.

The people you support like the Koch Brothers, or Art Pope plan to screw you and your family just like the lady at Hardees.

These people are in the process of buying the American political system, not for you but themselves.

Ask youself the following question.

Republicans felt a 5% increase in taxes on the wealthiest Americas by eliminating the Bush Tax Cuts was unfair but 7% reduction in income is some how fair for wage earning teachers.

Why do you support a political system stacked against working Americans???

Republicans attacking the civil rights of Gays, inventing gun fetish issues, attacking union workers who are amomg the few wage earning Americans still making a living wage in what way betters America?


Why do you agree with corporate citizenship?

Is it your opinion Goldman Sachs and other Wall Street banks committed no wrong doing?

What will it take for you to get your head around the fact these people (Banksters, Oil Industry, Insurance) have no loyality to you, your family or the United States of America?

http://www.newsobserver.com/2010/10/27/762445/art-pope-a-one-man-republican.html

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/06/04/215820/-Meet-Art-Pope:-NCs-very-own-Karl-Rove

Sarkazein said...

POV's daughter, the biscuit lady at Hardee's, will be hiring people to work for her. Since she makes little now, she won't be able to offer a salary or benefits, but you will feel better about yourself than you would if you were working for a wealthy man paying you a six figure salary with benefits.

Anonymous said...

Has that Lying Ignorant Bastard provided any link showing where the "wealthy" got a tax cut that everyone else didn't get?

It would seem to me that if everyone gets a tax cut - which includes giving refunds to people who don't even pay taxes - then it isn't honest to call it a 'tax cut for the wealthy'.

But I guess we don't expect honesty or integrity from the L.I.B.

Johnny Rico said...

More guns equals less crime. Take a look at Chicago, DC, New York, and LA. Those cities ban guns and live in a virtual police state where citizens are made to be victims. Liberal logic at its best.

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

guy faulkes said...

More news on proposed pro-gun legislation in N.C.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/03/04/2109036/bills-would-allow-guns-in-parks.html#

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Your dumb Teahadist seem far more interested in pursuing gun fetish issues and gay bashing then addressing any real problems we the citizens of NC face.

This is anorher example of why Conservatives should never be in power.

guy fauleks said...

La La La La La - Liberalproverbs18:2

Yawn........

Johnny Rico said...

What's a gun fetish? I hope I have one of those. Better than an acid induced, taxpayer money funded, Cat Man (Josh) loving fetish that consumes most liberal socialist sheep. LOL!!!!

guy faulkes said...

Another link:

http://www.newsobserver.com/2011/03/04/v-print/1028228/looser-gun-laws-in-works.html

guy faulkes said...

From another blog:

I know some of it's been around before but here is a good refresher course.

Never let some one or thing that threatens you get inside arms length and never say I got a gun. If you feel you need to use deadly
force for heaven's sake let the first sound they hear be the safety
clicking off - and they shouldn't have time to hear anything after that if you are doing your job.

'The average response time of a 911 call is over 3 minutes....
the response time of a .44 magnum is 1400 feet per second.'

Clint Smith, Director of Thunder Ranch, is a drill instructor (Thunder
Ranch is a firearms training facility in Arizona ). Here are a few of
his observation on tactics, firearms, self defense and life as we know
it in the civilized world.

"The most important rule in a gunfight is: Always win and cheat if
necessary."

"Don't forget, incoming fire has the right of way.."

"Make your attacker advance through a wall of bullets. You may get
killed with your own gun, but he'll have to beat you to death with it,
cause it's going to be empty."

"If you're not shootin', you should be loadin'. If you're not loadin',
you should be movin', if you're not movin', someone's gonna cut your
head off and put it on a stick."

"When you reload in low light encounters, don't put your flashlight in your back pocket.. If you light yourself up, you'll look like an angel or the tooth fairy... and you're gonna be one of 'em pretty soon."

"Do something It may be wrong, but do something."

"Sho what's available, as long as it's available, until something
else becomes available."

"If you carry a gun, people will call you paranoid. That's ridiculous.
If you have a gun, what in the hell do you have to be paranoid for."

guy faulkes said...

continued:


"Don't shoot fast, unless you also shoot good.."

"You can say 'stop' or 'alto' or use any other word you think will
work, but I've found that a large bore muzzle pointed at someone's
head is pretty much the universal language."

"You have the rest of your life to solve your problems.. How long you
live depends on how well you do it."

"You cannot save the planet but you may be able to save yourself and
your family."

"Thunder Ranch will be here as long as you'll have us or until someone
makes us go away, and either way, it will be exciting."

More Excellent Gun Wisdom.......

The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in
defense. The sword is more important than the shield, and skill is
more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is
supplemental.

1. Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll
just kill you.

2. If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck.

3. I carry a gun cause a cop is too heavy.

4. When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away.

5. A reporter did a human-interest piece on the Texas Rangers. The
reporter recognized the Colt Model 1911 the Ranger was carrying and
asked him 'Why do you carry a 45?' The Ranger responded, 'Because they don't make a 46.'

6. An armed man will kill an unarmed man with monotonous regularity.

7. The old sheriff was attending an awards dinner when a lady commented
on his wearing his sidearm. 'Sheriff, I see you have your pistol. Are
you expecting trouble?' 'No ma'am. If I were expecting trouble, I would
have brought my rifle.'

8. Beware of the man who only has one gun, because he probably knows
how to use it very well.

'The true soldier fights not because he hates what is in front of him,
but because he loves what is behind him.' G. K. Chesterton

A people that values its privileges above its principles will soon lose both.

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do
not..." - Thomas Jefferson