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Saturday, March 5, 2011

Local School Board Votes to Block Competition

Headlines from yesterday’s Watauga Democrat read: WCS Opposes Charter Bill The bill in question, Senate Bill 8 co-sponsored by Senator Dan Soucek,would remove the 100-school limit on the number of charter schools allowed in the state and expand more avenues of funding to them. The bill passed the N.C. Senate last week and is now being reviewed in the House.

I ran into Dan in the grocery store today and asked him what this brouhaha was all about. Dan said his main concern was the amount of misinformation being circulated–for example, “Charter schools are for the elite.” He explained that was not so. Charter schools have to take everyone. Another misconception Dan said was that charter schools take money from the public schools. Dan described to me how funding follows the student. Thus if the charter school gets the student, that only means the public school has one less student they have to teach.

My personal bias Myths regarding Charter Schools automatically lead me to believe that this debate is not about educating students but about public school people protecting turf.

Senator Richard Stevens (R-Wake), is the author of the legislation. In response to the attacks such as those from the officials of Watauga County School System, he said: "The education establishment has not liked charter schools from the very first." "They consider them competition, as opposed to what they should be doing, in my opinion, which is embracing flexibility, creativity and alternatives for parents."

For those of you who have not been following this issue, Charter Schools "Although charter schools are found in many cities and towns, students and parents often do not fully understand them. Some mistakenly refer to charter schools as “voucher” or “private” schools. Others wrongly believe that the schools can be selective and therefore discriminatory in their enrollment, or that they are unaccountable to any governing body regarding curriculum or the reporting of student achievement. Many people would be surprised to learn that charter schools are actually public schools created to add choice.

The private group is given public money to run a public school. In exchange, it agrees to produce specified results. That’s the contract, or charter.

It’s not unlike the distinction our school district makes between the ends set by the School Board and the means for reaching them chosen by the superintendent.

Charter schools can innovate with any means, so long as they reach the ends. When they don’t, the charter can be revoked.

Without charter school legislation, the state holds the monopoly. That’s why it’s called public education.”

Dan reports that the NCAEcame against them hard from the get go.

29 comments:

Anonymous said...

The Watauga county school board appears to be more interested in 'turf' and protecting teachers jobs than they are about educating the children.

If, as you point out, kids go to a charter school instead of to the regular public school, then the regular public school has saved the cost of educating that child. They should be supporting any program or effort that might lead to improved education for the kids...instead they are interested in protecting their turf.

Anonymous said...

blogger...here is some good info on charter schools in n c

http://www.ncpublicschools.org/charterschools/policy/legislation/

Liberal POV said...

thanConservatives

To have a strong, just, free, educated and Democratic society we need strong free public education. Abandoning public schools will have irreversible damaging effects on American society.

Charter School should NOT be funded with taxpayer money!

Public schools do have some problems but if parents with education, income and a voice in society abandon public school nothing will be reformed. The bright kids help struggling children.

Let charter schools be totally funded by the parents who abandon public schools.

My own belief is all school are way too large and no school should have more than 800 students.

Schools should be places of learning not warehouses for young people.

Blogger said...

Lib has made his position clear. Please, please don't anyone sucker into a debate with him. If you do, you will end up like Brer Rabbit, stuck to the tarbaby.

Liberal POV said...

Blogger

What is the purpose of your blog?

Is it your purpose to spread right wing propaganda or to have a competition of ideas?

Anonymous said...

Good advice blogger. I promise not to respond to the lying ignorant bastard at least until someone else does.

It would be nice to have a discussion on a topic without being assaulted with stupidity from him. Let him be ignored here as he is on W.Watch.

Liberal POV said...

Anonymous

" lying ignorant bastard "

Is this the type people you would want as a neighbor or in-law?

" Lying ignorant bastard " is not how I would start a debate but then I'm not a conservative.

I'm sure Anonymous is able to light up a room not so much as when he or she enters but certainly when he or she exits the room.

Liberal POV said...

Conservatives

Why are you afraid of this debate on Charter schools?


To have a strong, just, free, educated and Democratic society we need strong free public education. Abandoning public schools will have irreversible damaging effects on American society.

Charter School should NOT be funded with taxpayer money!

Public schools do have some problems but if parents with education, income and a voice in society abandon public school nothing will be reformed. The bright kids help struggling children.

Let charter schools be totally funded by the parents who abandon public schools.

My own belief is all school are way too large and no school should have more than 800 students.

Schools should be places of learning not warehouses for young people.

Liberal POV said...

Conservatives

" lying ignorant bastard "

"those overpaid government parasites" American Teacher

"American teachers are not parasites. Union members are. One does not have to be a teacher to be a parasite, nor is he a parasite if he is a non-union teacher."

Conservative logic and how they came to be the GOP Grumpy Old People.

Not the kind of humanity you want to spend much time with.

Just think at least some of these people have a spouse that has to live with them.

Anonymous said...

Read the bill. Sen. Soucek is WRONG! The bill makes charters eligible for funds for programs they DO NOT have to offer (food, transportation). Also, the money does not "follow" the child. If a child goes to a charter and then transfers to a traditional mid-year then the money stays at the charter. It is a money grab, pure and simple. Also, if you read the article, the Board did not come out against charters, but against the language and intent of the bill. READ IT!

Anonymous said...

"Blogger said...

Lib has made his position clear. Please, please don't anyone sucker into a debate with him. If you do, you will end up like Brer Rabbit, stuck to the tarbaby.


Agreed. But wouldn't it be easier for all of us if you would just delete his rants? He has hurt this blog with his repetitive, inane ramblings and has driven off some who used to contribute here.

Wolf's Head said...

As is the case with alot of government workers, this is about money.

If the School Board is against the freedom of choice for students in favor of continued funding for public schools, and their lower quality education, they should be replaced at the next election.

Kids First!!

Johnny "Stinger" Rico said...

I'll get suckered in to Liberal Socialist Sheep POV lemmings posts.

POVs, you idiots are about as stupid a rock sitting out in my front yard. No, you don't rate that high. Public schools have failed due to liberal socialist (your) policies. Students no longer learn reading, writing, rithmatic in a disciplined environment. Instead, they learn about the importance of alternative lifestyles, the horrors of the 2nd Amendment, and how not to be a respectable, dignified citizen.

As usual, it is up to conservatives like Souchek to clean up the mess your feel good policies have created. If we can get rid of teacher's unions, poor teachers, half the school "administrators", reinstall corporal punishment, then might be able to get out of the rut you tax sucking trogyldytes put us in.

Beat that you idiots.

LOL!!!!

Your ole pal

Johnny "Stinger" Rico

Stings don't it

I dare you to debate me on any of the above topics you sheeple. LOL!!!

guy faulkes said...

Once again the Wolf nailed it.

However, I am not only in favor of charter schools, but also the voucher system that would pay the same amount of tax money that is being spent on a public school education to toward a private school education. You may have to pay more yourself, but your child will get a much better education at no extra cost to the taxpayer.

The reason for this is twofold in either a charter school or a private school. Children that are only there to distract the class are not tolerated nor are bad teachers.

Reader said...

Even our President believes in charter schools.

If children in charter schools are excelling and even home schooler's, then by all means we need to push for charter schools. Two Rivers does an excellence job and receives honors for their teaching. I support charter schools...I do not support the board's decision on this matter.


I'm already disappointed with the ones I voted in office.

Jack said...

I like charter schools and the educational innovation they provide. But I do have a problem with the statement, “Dan described to me how funding follows the student. Thus if the charter school gets the student, that only means the public school has one less student they have to teach.”

It’s true that the public school system would not incur those expenditures for lunches, supplies, and other variable costs when students transfer to a charter. However, the fixed costs would remain the same and not “follow the student”. The school system still must maintain the buildings, provide the same level of bus service, etc.

Therefore, if the number of charter schools in the area explodes, with larger and larger numbers ofstudents transferring, the county’s per-student cost would grow exponentially. In another posting, Anonymous has already complained about the high per-student cost in Watauga (he didn’t provide any data, he just griped, but we’ll go with it), so it’s interesting that the idea of removing the charter school cap is supported when it would raise the already high per-student cost of public education.

Anonymous said...

It is painfully obviously that the public school system, or call it what it is, government schools and its change agents, the teachers, do not want any competition.

And as for truly educating children, this corrupt state public instruction system is in the business of dumbing-down and indoctrinating the youth of this nation; turning them, in effect, into sheeple.

Anonymous said...

Jack said:

"Anonymous has already complained about the high per-student cost in Watauga (he didn’t provide any data, he just griped, but we’ll go with it)"


I am the "anonymous" that mentioned that the Watauga High School was the most expensive high school ever build in NC.

I don't recall ever mentioning the per student cost of education in Watauga county. Much less "griping" about it. I may have mentioned a state wide figure, but I don't know what the cost per student in Watauga is, although I am sure the information is available.

Perhaps another "anonymous" had such a gripe, but I don't recall seeing it.

Maybe Jack, you could direct us to a specific post "griping" about the per student cost in Watauga? It would be appreciated.

Johnny Rico said...

Watauga County should have revamped the existing high school. Plenty of land available in that location. If you wonder why America is broke, the new high school is a prime example. Building something you don't need is a crime against the citizens of this country. There are far more pressing needs than building a high school because a new one will look cool.

We once had a high school in each community. These small town schools excelled in high quality education, student teacher ratio, community pride and a host of other things absent in today's educational system. Revamp those old high schools and see what community based education will do for students.

Unfortunatley, the liberal socialists (JW Williamson, POV, Brushfire, Tricycle Lard, etc.) have ruined the educational system. It will be up to conservatives to dig us out.

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Anonymous said...

Per Pupil Expenditure 2008
Total school system expenditures divided by fall enrollment, which includes funds from federal, state, and local sources spent on day to day operating expenses like teacher salaries, but not capital expenses like school construction.

NC Avg $7,798 Watauga $9,066

Source: http://febp.newamerica.net/k12/nc/3704830

Jack said...

Thanks for the info. It remains that Watauga is still in the top third of all NC school districts for lowest per-student cost (33 out of 116). Not all that bad. Plus, if there is an explosion of student flight into charter schools, per-student cost would still increase, maybe even eclipsing the $10K mark over the short run.

Anonymous said...

congratulations blogger....

The watauga watch is linking to your Soucek/grocery store thread!

Anonymous said...

Uh....Your reading comprehension again!

Watauga is the 33rd HIGHEST of the 116 school districts.

If you have problems understanding numbers, don't be embarrassed to ask.

Jack said...

Ah, you're right. I wrongly took #1 to be the lowest out of 116, not the highest. Watauga in bottom third. Not too good. Still doesn't mean you should create policies that would increase the per-student cost.

Anonymous said...

Seriously, thanks for conceding that point. It's the first time I have seen you back away from any position you have taken.

With respect to the charter schools..I don't think we will see any greater impact here than the state-wide averages, but we might. It's all speculation.

We seem to have generally very good schools in Watauga - probably well above state averages (but I don't have any statistics to back that up) I think I have read that our graduation rates are above state averages; our teacher to student ratio is better than the state averages, and the educational level of our adult population here is way above average. All contributing I suspect, to a pretty good educational environment in our public schools.

I don't know if there is any huge demand here for additional charter schools - but, even if there is, I haven't seen anything that would convince me that the cost per student in the 'public' schools would go up as a result.

Sarkazein said...

‎"I do not seek the good of others as a sanction for my right to exist, nor do I recognize the good of others as a justification for their seizure of my property or their destruction of my life."- Ayn Rand

Johnny Rico said...

Liberals let Watauga County schools down in 1965 when they consolidated high schools. Doing this brought quality, community based education to an end. Gone are the days of optimal student/teacher ratios, school spirit (a good precursor to learning), and the community taking responsibility in creating an atmosphere directed soley at learning. If the new high school is an idicator, folks haven't still haven't realized the error in their thinking (liberals of course).

If in 1930 the County could have several high schools, is it not possible now. The new high school cost a pretty penny. Smaller high schools in each of our communities would have been much cheaper and better for students. Our country, due to folks like the Liberal Socialist Sheep povs is regressing at a rapid rate. Devolution is taking place at a rapid clip.

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Johnny "Liberal Beater" Rico said...

I see the socialist sheep didn't want to touch this one either.

Who sang the song "Can't touch this"?

LOL!!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

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