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And there is Lis Wiehl who received a bachelor's degree from Barnard College in 1983, a Master of Arts in Literature from the University of Queensland in 1985, and a Juris Doctor from Harvard Law School in 1987
Blogger, those are impressive academic credentials indeed, and practically all journalists and MSM people have plenty of formal credits.
However, I'd be more inclined to take more seriously the viewpoints of individuals from the alternative media or people who have 'degrees' from the school of hard knocks.
Scholarly research (especially within the social sciences) seeks to analyze and explain that "life experience".
Why is Business A so much more successful than Business B? Why do consumers react differently to Product A than to Product B? Why does Policy A fail while Policy B succeeds?
Academic research and life experience are one-in-the-same, just from different perspectives. So why such disdain towards academics?
Jack, you are fundamentally wrong. People lose money on those they hire right out of college. it takes at least a year and usually longer for them to get enough real world experience to do an adequate job.
Have you never heard that those that can, do and those that can't, teach?
However, it costs money to train any worker, regardless of education. An entry-level worker with minimal work experience and a college degree requires the same resources as an entry-level worker with minimal work experience and no degree.
But you miss the main question; Why is there such disdain towards academics? Do you see them as useless? You seem to attempt to separate "experience" and "academic research" when they are essentially the same. Academics simply take that "experience" and analyze and explain it so others may benefit.
There is no disdain toward academics, Jack. There is a realization there is more to having good qualifications than having a degree or academic training. This does not constitute disdain, but reality. Why can you not realize this? Is it because all of of your qualifications are academic?
Let's take a hypothetical restaurant manager with 20yrs experience and an academic researcher with 20yrs experience. Each has the experience to succeed within his own industry but neither is more valuable than the other.
Your word choice clearly reveals that you think one is more valuable than the other. That's what I am trying to understand. There seems to be a lack of respect for academics, why?
You are discounting the possibility that the restaurant manager has a business degree or that he was trained by some institution of learning in manicuring a restaurant in addition to his experience.
What exactly does the restaurant manger produce? Could it be jobs and a turning of money in the local economy.
Let us compare this with the academician whose only product is the transference of his own prejudices to the students he controls by giving hem poor grades if they do not agree with him as opposed to those that actually provide a marketable service.
Your verbiage, when speaking of academics, is quite negative.
Academics must both teach and research. And while you claim that the "only product is the transference of his own prejudices to the students he controls by giving hem poor grades if they do not agree with him", I have never known a professor to act in such a way. And it seems quite myopic to think that that behavior is prevalent.
On the teaching end, an instructor's biggest responsibility is to foster critical thinking and cultivate marketable skills (writing, problem solving, etc). In addition, academics provide ample amounts of research (based on analytical proof, not prejudices) that is constantly evolving (as I've alluded to earlier) so we can understand the occurrences around us, from chemistry to public policy.
What I'm getting from you (and correct me if I'm wrong) is that you see academics as liberal brainwashers, with little to offer to society as a whole. My original question was why there was such a disdain towards academic researchers/education, and I believe that answers it.
Jack's question is the standard Liberal tactic. If I say the majority of college profs are Leftists, Jack comes back with "Why do you have a is disdain for education?"
I think Obama is destroying the country... "Why do you hate Black people?"
We can look in the streets and see the results of the Leftist's education. But, to a Liberal, if I say we need to fix it, the Liberal wants to know why I am not as intelligent as he is.
In my life, I have had the pleasure of learning from some of the best teachers / professors that ever lived. I have also had the misfortune of having had to suffer through some of the worst.
I put no profession on a pedestal because no profession deserves it. All professions are comprised of the people that practice them. Some people are good at what they do and others are terrible. People and therefore professions, blogs, or anything else deserve only the respect they earn.
It clearly is, however. When two hypothetical professionals were introduced, you crafted the academic as one, "whose only product is the transference of his own prejudices to the students he controls by giving hem poor grades if they do not agree with him as opposed to those that actually provide a marketable service." And you did this without any prompting.
But, as I said, I believe you have answered my question. So thank you.
Guy Faulkes- This is why I consider the Sheriff's Office the purveyor of the peace. Is SC's sheriffs elected as in Texas? No I had not seen the link yet, thanks.
Jack- Liberal profs spread their communicable disease of liberalism both on purpose and unintentionally. It is a known fact. Watch the Occupy Wall Street poopers for a most recent example of the result.
"North Carolina is a right to work state. No employee can be compelled to join a union. This is the law. Apparently, the Democrats in charge of the 2012 convention in Charlotte have found a way to get around that. In order to get the DNC’s business, companies are being asked to unionize their employees — regardless of if the employees want a union. And if not, they don’t get the work. Apparently, discrimination is still legal." From Red State Briefing 11/4/11
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So the accusation against Roger Ailes that he clones these women on a small island in the Pacific is obviously untrue.
Then there is Jane Skinner. Skinner received her Bachelor’s and Master’s degrees from Northwestern University
And there is Kimberly Guillfoyle who was San Francisco Deputy Attorney General.
And there is Lis Wiehl who received a bachelor's degree from Barnard College in 1983, a Master of Arts in Literature from the University of Queensland in 1985, and a Juris Doctor from Harvard Law School in 1987
Stay tuned, there are more.
Blogger, those are impressive academic credentials indeed, and practically all journalists and MSM people have plenty of formal credits.
However, I'd be more inclined to take more seriously the viewpoints of individuals from the alternative media or people who have 'degrees' from the school of hard knocks.
Quick question:
Conservatives seem to be generally repulsed by education. Why?
Jack continues to carry on conversations with himself.
Conservatives realize there is more to education than merely attending school and receiving a degree. The degree is valuable. So is life experience.
Scholarly research (especially within the social sciences) seeks to analyze and explain that "life experience".
Why is Business A so much more successful than Business B? Why do consumers react differently to Product A than to Product B? Why does Policy A fail while Policy B succeeds?
Academic research and life experience are one-in-the-same, just from different perspectives. So why such disdain towards academics?
Jack, you are fundamentally wrong. People lose money on those they hire right out of college. it takes at least a year and usually longer for them to get enough real world experience to do an adequate job.
Have you never heard that those that can, do and those that can't, teach?
However, it costs money to train any worker, regardless of education. An entry-level worker with minimal work experience and a college degree requires the same resources as an entry-level worker with minimal work experience and no degree.
But you miss the main question; Why is there such disdain towards academics? Do you see them as useless? You seem to attempt to separate "experience" and "academic research" when they are essentially the same. Academics simply take that "experience" and analyze and explain it so others may benefit.
Jack is showing his POV. He asks a question that is not a question, it is a statement... a goofy statement indeed.
There is no disdain toward academics, Jack. There is a realization there is more to having good qualifications than having a degree or academic training. This does not constitute disdain, but reality. Why can you not realize this? Is it because all of of your qualifications are academic?
Let's take a hypothetical restaurant manager with 20yrs experience and an academic researcher with 20yrs experience. Each has the experience to succeed within his own industry but neither is more valuable than the other.
Your word choice clearly reveals that you think one is more valuable than the other. That's what I am trying to understand. There seems to be a lack of respect for academics, why?
You are discounting the possibility that the restaurant manager has a business degree or that he was trained by some institution of learning in manicuring a restaurant in addition to his experience.
What exactly does the restaurant manger produce? Could it be jobs and a turning of money in the local economy.
Let us compare this with the academician whose only product is the transference of his own prejudices to the students he controls by giving hem poor grades if they do not agree with him as opposed to those that actually provide a marketable service.
Your verbiage, when speaking of academics, is quite negative.
Academics must both teach and research. And while you claim that the "only product is the transference of his own prejudices to the students he controls by giving hem poor grades if they do not agree with him", I have never known a professor to act in such a way. And it seems quite myopic to think that that behavior is prevalent.
On the teaching end, an instructor's biggest responsibility is to foster critical thinking and cultivate marketable skills (writing, problem solving, etc). In addition, academics provide ample amounts of research (based on analytical proof, not prejudices) that is constantly evolving (as I've alluded to earlier) so we can understand the occurrences around us, from chemistry to public policy.
What I'm getting from you (and correct me if I'm wrong) is that you see academics as liberal brainwashers, with little to offer to society as a whole. My original question was why there was such a disdain towards academic researchers/education, and I believe that answers it.
"There seems to be a lack of respect for academics, why?' Jack
Because most of them are pompous asses and self righteous beyond belief.
Jack's question is the standard Liberal tactic. If I say the majority of college profs are Leftists, Jack comes back with "Why do you have a is disdain for education?"
I think Obama is destroying the country... "Why do you hate Black people?"
No depth in Liberalism.
We can look in the streets and see the results of the Leftist's education. But, to a Liberal, if I say we need to fix it, the Liberal wants to know why I am not as intelligent as he is.
No Jack, my verbage is slanted neither way.
In my life, I have had the pleasure of learning from some of the best teachers / professors that ever lived. I have also had the misfortune of having had to suffer through some of the worst.
I put no profession on a pedestal because no profession deserves it. All professions are comprised of the people that practice them. Some people are good at what they do and others are terrible. People and therefore professions, blogs, or anything else deserve only the respect they earn.
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We need another vent page.
Sark, have you seen this?
http://www.wyff4.com/r/29638219/detail.html
"my verbage is slanted neither way" --Guy
It clearly is, however. When two hypothetical professionals were introduced, you crafted the academic as one, "whose only product is the transference of his own prejudices to the students he controls by giving hem poor grades if they do not agree with him as opposed to those that actually provide a marketable service." And you did this without any prompting.
But, as I said, I believe you have answered my question. So thank you.
Guy Faulkes- This is why I consider the Sheriff's Office
the purveyor of the peace. Is SC's sheriffs elected as in Texas? No I had not seen the link yet, thanks.
Jack- Liberal profs spread their communicable disease of liberalism both on purpose and unintentionally. It is a known fact. Watch the Occupy Wall Street poopers for a most recent example of the result.
Jack, if you are saying I have taught you something, you are welcome. However, it appears you remain deluded.
"North Carolina is a right to work state. No employee can be compelled to join a union. This is the law. Apparently, the Democrats in charge of the 2012 convention in Charlotte have found a way to get around that. In order to get the DNC’s business, companies are being asked to unionize their employees — regardless of if the employees want a union. And if not, they don’t get the work. Apparently, discrimination is still legal."
From Red State Briefing 11/4/11
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