This blog originally founded by Blogger who holds a theological degree and a doctorate in Counseling Psychology. Taught Psychology for 32 years and is now Professor Emeritus. Is a board-certified psychologist and was awarded the Lifetime Achievement Award in his profession. Ministered as a chaplain, and pastored Baptist and Episcopal churches. Publications cover the integration of psychology and theology. Served in the Army, the Merchant Marines and the Peace Corps.

Friday, November 18, 2011

"Liberals Need a Tea Party, Damn It"

The only article I could find that speaks to me on Operation Wall Street is Jonah Goldberg’s “Those Dreamy Anarchists.” in this month’s National Review pp 21-22.  Unfortunately, it does not seem to be online.  Therefore, I will just give some quick quotes which grabbed me. 

"Liberals are open about what they claim to be their motivations:  Liberals need
a tea party, damn it.”

Goldberg compares the Tea Party with the OWS.  “The tea parties are motivated by anger at being forced to pay for bailouts, while the most compelling poster children of the “99 percent” are angry that they’re not getting bailed out.”

“We’ve spent two years hearing that the tea parties are “extreme” because they want the government to borrow less money, send some federal responsibilities to the states, and cut subsidies to cowboy poets.”

For OWS, a popular sign reads, “We Demand Sweeping, Unspecified Change!”

Have any of you readers found anything that works for you as a conservative to understand these strange gatherings?  If so, please link it in the comment section.

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49 comments:

Sarkazein said...

What kills me is watching the little pukes using their cell phones to record their own idiocy. Then they go back to their capitalist parent's house and recharge their phones, recharge their laptops, eat, sleep in their climate controlled house, then go back to the playground for more whining. Their standard of living is better than most of the rest of the world. Yet, they cry and complain about others not doing enough for them. Student loans hard to pay back, children? Just wait 'til you get the bill for Obama's one term in Office. You'll be be paying it back until the day you die. Then your children will start paying Obama's and Pelosi's debt.

Wolf's Head said...

LPOV is showing her irrelevancy and idiocy at the same time.

Sarkazein said...

Should'a put a knot on granny's head just like my FAVORITE. Look at the expression on that kid's face... priceless.

Sarkazein said...

It is amazing that Obama is not getting full blame. Three years in and a worst employment future for these kids. I guess there is one good thing-- this will get them accustomed to living in the streets, eating at soup kitchens, and looking forward to a nice cozy jail cell for a night.
Liberals were blaming President Bush for high unemployment when it was 5%. Double that... no problem.

Sarkazein said...

Three short years and Obama has dashed the HOPE of 50% of the younger generation. This is what Left Wing government always does to a free people. Malaise, worst than the Jimmy Carter years.
If these no-loads want to make a statement I can suggest to them--self-immolation. A peaceful yet more spectacular way to make your political statement.

Sarkazein said...

Obama moves closer to his goal. But, more importantly, why is the census bureau surprised? Have they been asleep for the last 3 years?

Sarkazein said...

A picture

guy faulkes said...

Hey dolt, how about some links to the assaults, rapes, destruction of property, etc. perpetuated by OWS?

Please take this off when you remove the dolts drivel.

Sarkazein said...
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Anonymous said...

New Guy and Blogger

This is a little more education about who the Occupy Wall Street people are and what they want.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NG2E6g5lDBU&feature=share

guy faulkes said...

No links to the criminal activities in the return of the dolt.

Jack said...

This is a good read and a good perspective. An excerpt:

People say that the Occupy movement has not been clear in its demands. I would say that their demands could not be more obvious.

They are already being articulated everywhere: the New York Times, the Huffington Post, Salon.com, the New Yorker. They are full of luminous writers: Nicholas Kristof. Paul Krugman. Gail Collins. Hendrik Herztberg. George Packer. Steve Coll, Bill McKibben. Dozens of intelligent books have appeared on the shelves in the past few years, examining the country's problems and offering thoughtful proposals for reform.

They want a fairer tax system. They want a sane energy policy that addresses climate change and searches for cleaner ways to power our civilization. They want a government that is not wholly owned by the rich. They want access to justice and education. They want a reasonable hope of getting and keeping a job that gives them a living wage and the ability to invest for the future.

They want a rational health care system that they can afford. They want government policy that is driven by thoughtful attention to rational research, not ideology. They want a transparent government that holds the powerful accountable. They want a government that understands the importance of investing now in human capital and infrastructure.

Sarkazein said...

Jack- No they don't.

Sarkazein said...

Jack just posted "excerpt" from a college professor. The whole thing is Liberal 101. The professor is projecting what he wants the OWS to represent-- pure liberalism.

Sarkazein said...

Read Jack's posted "excerpt". Does it sound familiar? Have you read the same thing, spelled differently months ago, over and over? And over?

Jack said...

Sark, perhaps one day you'll be able to discuss things rationally.

Too bad you can only classify ideas into "liberal" and "conservative".....and then attack or applaud based on that overly simplistic grouping system.

I hope you're more intelligent than that.

Sarkazein said...

Jack- You read it. It is just a list of typical liberal desires. Stated over and over by some commenters on this blog... one in particular. It is what the professor wants and what he wants OWS to be about. In other words, the professor put the polish on what can't be polished.

Too bad you can only classify ideas into "liberal" and "conservative"..-Jack

Wrong again, I also classify middle-of-the-road stuff.

guy faulkes said...

Jack, Sark can classify whatever he wants. It is called free speech.

You know, that civil right the left says is being violated by the police when they try to protect the public from rapes, murders, assaults, and destruction of property by the OWS thugs.

The difference is that Sark is not committing criminal activities when he expresses his insightful opinions.

Mike D. said...

From an ongoing Facebook thread:

There were so many video phones recording it, tomorrow I will try to track one down which shows the truth, the whole story (not that the protestors want the truth to be known). It sure appears that the line of students sitting... across the path specifically chose that spot to block the police vehicle which is clearly pointed in their direction and unable to advance due to their presence. The students also appear, before the pepper spray was ever introduced, to have their heads down and their faces covered. Do you think that, perhaps, the demonstration of the pepper spray can by the officer was, in fact, one final reiteration of a warning that had already been issued repeatedly, and getting sprayed was actually the goal of the protestors huddled in the line? The way I see it, anyone who invites, asks, even demands that a police officer shoot him or her in the face with pepper spray has no business complaining about it after the fact. You get what you wish for, no? - Mike D.

Mike D. said...

Another:

Let me put it another way. If you come to a party at my house, hell-bent on getting me to ask you to leave so that you can demonstrate what a horrible person I am... if you harbor a vendetta against me, and you are determined to get kicked ...out of my house so that you can say I am unkind, and you are willing abandon reasonable civility to make it happen, you will succeed. And do you you know what? A few unreasonable individuals may view you as a victim, but the overwhelming majority of people will feel that you got exactly what you deserved. I believe this is precisely what occurred at UC Davis. Provoking police brutality is a cornerstone of the Occupy protestors' plan. I feel sympathy for innocent people who are hurt by oppressors. I feel no sympathy for agitators who insist that they be dealt with.

Mike D. said...

And one more:

More than anything, what bothers me about the Occupy protests is the slogan "We are the 99%". I am the 48th percent, accordian to median income data for the United States, in the lower half of the 99%. No one in the Occupy movement asked me if I would permit them to represent me. I do not appreciate, nor do I trust anyone who claims to speak for me, who uses my voice without my consent. - Mike D.

NewGuy said...

Well said. Mike! I am part of the 53% who pays Federal Income Taxes. On the one hand, I love seeing people protesting against whatever they like - it reminds me again of what a great country we live in.
On the other hand, I dislike it when protestors trample on the rights of other citizens - blocking them from their workplace; beating drum all night; using the streets and sidewalks as bathrooms; and harassing the police who are doing their jobs in protecting the rights of the innocent people targeted by the protestors.

They aren't representing :99%"...They represent only themselves.

Sarkazein said...

The OWS protestors do not recognize the individual. 99% describes what liberalism does to individuality (not referring to tats, piercings or clothing). They want to control 99% of the population and eat the rest.

Sarkazein said...

OWS (liberalism) wants to murder/eat (according to Rossane Barr) or imprison the 1% to set an example for the 99% they want to control. They believe this will stop anyone with individualism tendencies in the 99% from breaking from the flock.

Mike D. said...

"I don't appreciate people appointing themselves to represent me, to represent us" - Woman at Occupy L.A., angry about a deal in the works with the mayor

Interesting statement, lady. That is precisely how I feel about your Occupy group appointing itself to represent me!

Jack said...

Fox News Host Dismisses Pepper Spray Attack By Cops: ‘It’s A Food Product, Essentially’

Megyn Kelly on fire hoses: "It’s a sports beverage, essentially!"
Megyn Kelly on police dogs: "It’s a family pet, essentially!"
Megyn Kelly on tasers: "It’s static cling, essentially!"
Megyn Kelly on rubber bullets: "It’s a pencil eraser, essentially!"
Megyn Kelly on hand grenades: "It’s a Fourth of July firework, essentially! God bless America."
Megyn Kelly on beanbag rounds: "It's a game of cornhole, essentially!"

Megyn Kelly on Fox News: "It's entertainment, essentially!" Oh, wait a minute....

Jack said...

Cop: Please disperse.
Protesters: No.
*pepper spray*
Protesters: Aaaaarrgggghhhhh!!!!!
Protesters: What happened to zip-ties!?!?!?......We were expecting zip-ties!!!!

Protesters: Oh, wait.....nom nom nom nom nom. Vegetables!

Sarkazein said...

I doubt if Jack actually saw the video. So Here it is

Sarkazein said...

I may have to agree with Jack on this one. The OWS protestors should have been given a choice-- 24.5" police batons or pepper spray.

Sarkazein said...

"The active ingredient in pepper spray is capsaicin, which is a chemical derived from the fruit of plants in the Capsicum genus, including chilis" (a foooood product).-Wiki

Jack said...

Although considered a less-than-lethal agent, it may be deadly in rare cases, and concerns have been raised about a number of deaths where being pepper sprayed may have been a contributing factor.

The active ingredient in pepper spray is capsaicin, which is a chemical derived from the fruit of plants in the Capsicum genus, including chilis. Extraction of oleoresin capsicum from peppers involves finely ground capsicum, from which capsaicin is extracted in an organic solvent such as ethanol. The solvent is then evaporated, and the remaining waxlike resin is the oleoresin capsicum. An emulsifier such as propylene glycol is used to suspend the OC in water, and pressurized to make it aerosol in pepper spray. The high performance liquid chromatography (HPLC) method is used to measure the amount of capsaicin and major capsaicinoids within pepper sprays.

Pepper spray is an inflammatory agent. It causes immediate closing of the eyes, difficulty breathing, runny nose, and coughing. The duration of its effects depends on the strength of the spray but the average full effect lasts around thirty to forty-five minutes, with diminished effects lasting for hours.

For those with asthma, taking other drugs, or subject to restraining techniques which restrict the breathing passages, there is a risk of death. The Los Angeles Times has reported at least 61 deaths associated with police use of pepper spray since 1990 in the USA. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) documented 27 people in police custody who died after exposure to pepper spray in California since 1993. However, the ACLU report counts any death occurring within hours of exposure to pepper spray. In all 27 cases, the coroners' report listed other factors as the primary cause of death, though in some cases the use of pepper spray may have been a contributing factor.

The US Army concluded in a 1993 Aberdeen Proving Ground study that pepper spray could cause "[m]utagenic effects, carcinogenic effects, sensitization, cardiovascular and pulmonary toxicity, neurotoxicity, as well as possible human fatalities. There is a risk in using this product on a large and varied population". However, the pepper spray was widely approved in the US despite the reservations of the US military scientists after it passed FBI tests in 1991. As of 1999, it was in use by more than 2000 public safety agencies.

Direct close-range spray can cause more serious eye irritation by attacking the cornea with a concentrated stream of liquid (the so-called "hydraulic needle" effect). Some brands have addressed this problem by means of an elliptically cone shaped spray pattern.

For individuals not previously exposed to OC effects, the general feelings after being sprayed can be best likened to being "set alight". The initial reaction should the spray be directed at the face, is the completely involuntary closing of the eyes (sometimes described as leading to a disconcerting sensation of the eyelids "bubbling and boiling" as the chemical acts on the skin), an instant sensation of the restriction of the airways and the general feeling of sudden and intense, searing pain about the face, nose and throat. Coughing almost always follows the initial spray.

Subsequent breaths through the nose or mouth leads to ingestion of the chemical, which feeds the feeling of choking. Police are trained to repeatedly instruct the target to "breathe normally" if they complain of difficulty, as the shock of the exposure can generate considerable panic as opposed to actual physical symptoms. The burning reaction lasts, in some cases, for up to 4 hours.



All because they were sitting? Good thing it's just a "food product"

Jack said...

Sorry, the above is also from Wikipedia

We should learn to read more than one sentence.

Sarkazein said...

OK Jack- your cut and paster is bigger than mine.
Now what is it about Meghan Kelly's statement that is false or whatever it is you find offensive?

Sarkazein said...

Where is the Ohio National Guard when we need them?

Jack said...

The point is that it isn't just a "foooood product", as you so lovingly put it.

What I find offensive is that Fox News knowingly attempted to downplay the actions of the police force.

The "whatever, it's just pepper spray" argument is not defensible.

Military-grade pepper spray was used on non-violent protesters. They could have been easily carried away, but excessive force was used.

Despite what Fox News says, there is nothing justifiable about that.

Jack said...

"Where is the Ohio National Guard when we need them?"

WOW.

Um, that's just terrible, Sark. We may disagree on many subjects, but that's just over the line. To actively advocate deadly force against non-violent protest is terrible.

I would like to think that any contributor or reader of this blog would stand against any such actions.

Mike D. said...

Jack,

There are multiple problems with your position... I think legitimate ones.

The first is this idea that it's "all because they were sitting". This is as much a fabrication as the statement you linked from this Megyn Kelly person. Who is he/she, by the way, and what is up with the spelling of the first name? "Me-gyn"? Doesn't that translate from caveman English into "I'm a vagina"? All seriousness aside though, are you sure that you want to criticize this Megyn person for understating something, while describing the actions of the protestors as simply "they were sitting"? Come on, Jack, what were they really doing? We're all friends here. You don't have to play that game.

Second, and more importantly. If I had a pacemaker, I would avoid illegal activities which would likely lead to getting tazed. If I had asthma, I would avoid illegal activities which would likely lead to getting pepper sprayed. If I had a fear of heights, I would avoid ferris wheels. If I had hemophilia, I would not drink at the bar and ride the mechanical bull. Blocking a police vehicle is an inherently dangerous and illegal activity. If you have asthma or a pacemaker, I would recommend that even if decency and civility do not motivate, govern your actions, then at least self-preservation should steer you away from provoking a reaction from the police.

You dig?

Mike D. said...

Megyn Kelly - "It's a food product, essentially"

Jack - "All because they were sitting"


Deceptive understatement... especially delicious when the person criticizing one inadvertantly drops a blatant one of his own.

Mike D. said...

Please, Jack,

You are a thinker, an intelligent human. Do not get so caught up in the Occupy rapture that you lose your intelligence. The Jack I have read in the past would not have allowed his independent mind to be used by others to make such an illogical argument. Religious fervor has psychological rewards that can suck in even the most reasoned, stoic thinkers. Make sure you keep your mind free and agile, ok? The Occupy movement wishes you to become a manifesto thumper who obeys orders, and I hear it starting to happen in your arguments. Please say "No!" Your intelligence is valued. I would hate to see you become another zombie.

Jack said...

I have yet to see an unbiased, reliable source tell the entire story.

But no matter how the story is spun, it was excessive use of force and any downplay of such is unwarranted.

If the protesters were blocking a road, preventing emergency vehicles from passing, then they should absolutely be removed. It's illegal. They were, however, simply sitting there, non-violent and passive.

They could have easily been placed in zip-tie cuffs and carried off.....not pepper-sprayed (sorry, food product-ed).

Whatever side of the political divide one resides, excessive use of force is excessive use of force and the act should not be justified.

Nor is a call for a repeat Kent State University massacre acceptable.

Both are simply despicable.

Sarkazein said...
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Sarkazein said...

Jack- OWS's goal is to shut down commerce in the USA.
Just ask them. Block Wall Street, block sea ports, block Main Street. Alqeada's goal was to bring down the US economy by hitting the WTC. OWS's numbers are small now and they can only disrupt the economy for short periods. We have a President showing sympathy and comradeship with OWS'ers. A President that is preventing the economy from recovering in the likes of Sol Alinsky. Pepper spray is too lenient. If people are trying to further destroy our economy, it is war. Catch on.

guy faulkes said...

Jack, out of idle curiosity, do you know of anything on the face of the earth that cannot kill somebody under any circumstance? Your argument is ridiculous, but then so are you.

Sarkazein said...

Jack- Surely you can't say that you wouldn't want at least a volley of rubber bullets fired into one of those groups that repeat out loud the sentences of there comrade speakers. THIS

Sarkazein said...

Let the retail store managers stock up with Pepper spray for Black Friday. Why let the police have all the fun?

Sarkazein said...

I like THIS KID. Enough money for a $4 cup of coffee, earrings, and lots of leisure time.

Sarkazein said...

Utopia in the making

guy faulkes said...

Did you guys decide to let the dolt back on. It was so nice when we did not have to listen to his drivel.

Sarkazein said...

The OWS pukes should be occupying Harry Reed's mansion