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Saturday, June 23, 2012

Jordan's water intake bill likely to die in committee...

As the General Assembly works expeditiously to wrap up its 2012 legislative session by the end of the week, the bill that would halt Boone's water intake project will likely die in committee, Rep. Jonathan Jordan said Saturday.

"I mean, heck -----what could possibly go wrong?"
From Watauga Democrat

Looks like the Boone exchange of processed sewage for water will go thru!

47 comments:

USS Rodger Young said...

This is not good news. Johnathan Jordan, a real hero, tried his best to be environmentally sound. To no avail though. Liberals, touting growth in Boone as good, actually said pumping water out of the New River and replacing it with sewage was a good thing. Amazing incompetance on the part of liberal sheep. Better luck next time Johnathan. The Repulitard RINOs that are in control of the State Congress must be, like Watauga County Commissioners, voted out to teach them a lesson. They are idiots.

Rodger Young

NewGuy said...

My idea was to just pump the treated water (that Boone says if so pure) directly back to the end users.

I guess they didn't like my suggestion.

Anonymous said...

New Guy, Boone is already drinking sewage. A lot of the septic from Rocky Creek Subdivision goes into the creek right above the plant and the town knows it.

guy faulkes said...

HB 111 is probably going to suffer the same fate. Gun owners across the state will take this into consideration when they go to the polls.

USS Rodger Young said...

The Republicans in control of the State Congress must be voted out during the next election. They had a prime opportunity to undo the numerous abuses caused by a century of liberal rule. Instead they turned into the exactly the same thing. Incompetance!!! Opportunity wasted.

Vote Republicans out of the NC House and Senate and replace them with CONSERVATIVES.

Mike D. said...

Rico,

I'm not so sure that Conservative means what it used to, and I'm really not sure if you still know what it means. At the core of the term is this word "conserve", which means "to save". In all of your posts, I see lots about promoting anarchy, writing laws which discriminate against one group or another, and lots and lots about identifying your enemies, but I really never see anything about saving for the future.

So who are these "CONSERVATIVES" you wish to elect, and what makes them savers?

USS Rodger Young said...

Mike D,

What have I ever wrote advocating anarchy? Never done that. Is advocating, through peaceful voting, now deemed "anarchy" by liberals like you? It is very interesting to watch liberals twist and bend the truth to what suits them. You go on so say that I write laws discriminating against one group or another. Give me an example of this. Like usual, you will be unable to because I never said or advocated for such laws.

I support laws which limit the power of government; a basic tenant of the Constitution my challenged friend! Take the 2nd Amendment for example. I wish to give people the right to keep and bear arms, including blacks who are disarmed at an alarming rate in big cities, and you call this anarchy or discrimination.

Please explain Mike D. Please explain.

This ought to be interesting!!!

Rodger Young

USS Rodger Young said...

Also Mike D, if you don't know what a Constitution supporting Patriot is, then how could we expect you to understand what a conservative is?

That was easy!!!!!!!

Mike D. said...

"Is advocating, through peaceful voting, now deemed "anarchy"" - Rico

When the goal is to erase the laws which govern how we must treat our fellow human beings, then yes. Society depends on those laws, as many people are jerks.

Another thing, Rico. You talk about our Constitution, which describes how federal government must behave, but you are talking about applying those rules to local government. That's not patriotic. That's just a lack of understanding of the system.

guy faulkes said...

mIkeD, what is it that makes Rico a jerk? The same kind of attacks you put i your posts?

Dusty Roads! said...

Ok i need some help n this one the dems are in favor of sucking water out of the new river and the repubs want big government to step in and tell boone to do with out water? Is that right? When did up become down and down become up?

Mike D. said...

Guy,

I never said Rico is a jerk, and I don't think he is. Something wrong with your reading comprehension this morning? Have a cup of coffee, take a shower, eat some Froot Loops, and then try again.

Anonymous said...

This issue boils down to a town needing water in order to grow...in the near or far flung future. This could be any town, anywhere. The fact that there's a county v. town, lib v. cons., dem v. rep. "war" happening doesn't change the fact that Watauga is a headwaters county with no water flowing in. If everyone could be satisfied with a zero growth model for the economy, then killing the water project makes sense--for environmental/tourism integrity. If we want the area to continue to attract industry for jobs, etc., then killing the water project doesn't make a lot of sense. If water treatment plants are working the way they're supposed to, water going out is actually cleaner than water going in. I haven't heard what the options are for supplying the town with water if the project got killed. I guess options wouldn't matter much, because business growth in the county/town would die as any business with any sense would not move to a town/county that can't supply water.

USS Rodger Young said...

Mike D said:

"When the goal is to erase the laws which govern how we must treat our fellow human beings"

What law do you speak of? When the goal is to erase laws the oppress or subjegate our fellow human beings, it's called Patriotism. Your reaching a bit Mike D. Please give an example so I can really pound away! I'm just aghast at someone who doesn't agree with giving people power. Our country was founded on this ideal. People need the power, not some bureaucrat who wants nothing more than job security.

Here's a good one:

"You talk about our Constitution, which describes how federal government must behave, but you are talking about applying those rules to local government. That's not patriotic"

Really Mike D? So a local government trumphs the Constitution? A local government by your words could institute slavery or take away guns, right? Oh, wait, they already do both in some Northeastern cities (guns are prohibited except for the rich in NYC and blacks are subject to warrentless "frisks" whenever the police want). And you think this is ok?

I treat people as individual entities capable of making choices and exercising individual responsibility. And you call this unpatriotic? Again, explain Mike D. You digging a pit for yourself here.

The Constitution applies to local government as well. It is the law of the land to prevent overreach and tyranny. It keeps us as citizens from changing to the point we forget the values that once made us strong. Unfortunately, many (you) have forgotten what made us strong, and we are on the decline as a result. I want to reverse this silly trend by putting power where it needs to be - in the hands of THE PEOPLE!

Zoning laws are a great place to begin. We must abolish zoning laws to empower people to live their lives in the manner they choose. Vicious dogs, high weeds, run down shacks are minor points of contention that will make a stronger community as people will be forced to work among themselves (personal responsibility) to find solutions instead of dialing 7 numbers on a phone and turning in their comrades.

Mike D, is any of this sinking in?

Rodger Young

USS Rodger Young said...

Mike D,

You insinuated I'm an anarchist. In addition to the multitude of questions I asked in my last post, please explain why. This ought to be interesting......

Anonymous said...

Johhny Whacko, you rant and rave and want people to answer questions you post, but you never answer any asked of you.

You instead insult and demean any who dare to not agree with you. Then when no one plays your game you declare your self a "winner"

It is sad that a web site is a game to you, and it is all you can succeed and wining at in life.

Better yet you consider it a world championship to become such a troll your banned from a site, again even more pitiful.

guy faulkes said...

Rico, I know you like to use this blog to vent your frustrations, but it is amazing to see how you dominate a debate when you decide to do so. It may not be as satisfying for you personally to post as you just did, but it is a joy for(most of) the rest of us to read.

Anonymous, killing this water project does not equate to killing all water projects. As Jordan said, there were other options, such as reservoirs in other places. How about above the present water plant on property the Town already owns?

Also, is there any validity to the claim septic discharge is going into the creek above Boone's water plant? How do you know?

USS Rodger Young said...

Nonymouse,

Can you provide an example when I have not answered a question asked of me? Just one. Liberals like you are afraid to ask questions of me because I make you look stupid.

Why is it sad a website is a game? True, making liberals look incompetant, one at a time, it a bit of a game, but it does serve a purpose. The more people who realize liberals like you operate solely on emotion, the more educated the proletariat becomes.

Since your into answering questions all of a sudden, what do you think of the video entitled "No Guns for Negros"? Pretty strong film isn't it? Also, what do you think about Fast and Furious. These are two questions that have been asked of pedophile supporting POV for years now. How about you take a shot at the title and say something. LOL!!!

I was banned from Watauga Watch after I took over that site for a month straight. I posted relevant, meaningful posts designed to get to the heart of the matter being discussed. Liberals socialists were at a loss to answer some very simple questions which put their moral and ethical beliefs on the line. They had no other choice to ban me or else their site would've ended. Typical liberal socialists - censor someone when facts get in the way of emotion!!! LOL!!!! So yes, I do consider it a badge of honor to become banned from Watauga Watch and other blogs filled so full of idiots they can barely function.

Rodger Young

PS Nonymouse, you've got a couple questions to anwer.

USS Rodger Young said...

Mike D,

You have some questions to answer too.

Rodger Young

oatz said...

Has the Town of Boone fixed the leaky tank on deck hill yet?

Mike D. said...

Rico,

With regard to the operation of government, the Constitution lays out a basic framework for the Federal Government. Obviously, if a local government operates in a way which violates other aspects of the Constitution, that local government must change its ways. But the U.S. Constitution does not lay out the framework for the formation and operation of local governments. It just doesn't.

USS Rodger Young said...

So said local government can ban guns? If so, can they allow slavery? And limit 1st Amendment rights. And outlaw abortion? And allow warrentless searches?

Do you see Mike D, that the Constitution is more than a framework. There is some filling in to be done by local government, but not, ever, when it comes to limiting God-given, inalienable, Constitutional Rights.

I am fighting hard for your Constitutional Rights, and you act as if you don't want them. When they tell you that you can't plant a garden, raise chickens or cut a tree down in your backyard, your ok with that? If you are ok with that, then you must be ok with on the spot frisks, searches of your house for dangerous weapons (no warrant needed) and a host of other liberties once protected by the Constitution.

Slippery slope just gets steeper.

Rodger Young

Mike D. said...

Rico,

The good thing about decentralized government is that if you don't like it in this town, you can move to another without leaving the country.

Chicago is different than Santa Fe is different than Miami is different than Boston is different than Savannah is different than Lincoln is different than Milwaukee is different than Little Rock is different than Tacoma is different than San Antonio is different than Mobile is different than Dayton.

Every town has its own flair, and every town has its own rules. So what if Guy thinks that the only way a community can monitor anything is if 100% of the community agrees on his rules. His ridiculous view only works in open country during times of conquest and land claims, and in very small voluntary communes, and even then, disagreement occurs and then what do you do? Law of the gun. Guy might run from it now that he has to defend it, but that's exactly the nonsense he is describing, lawless anarchy with a few families banding together to protect their interests. And he doesn't even understand that that very act of banding together brings strength, and has led to the compromise which allows thriving cultures to be built.

Mike D. said...

"If everyone in your neighborhood agrees with single family use, as you say, why do you not form a formal homeowner's association that would privately limit these properties to that use in perpetuity? It would be a restriction or restrictions on all of your deeds that could limit anything on which you can all agree. You do not need the Town of Boone." - Guy

100% majority necessary to pass rules which govern the behavior of others.

guy faulkes said...

MIkeD, you said you had 100% or at least Blogger did. Was this a lie. In any event, those that agree can form homeowners association. That would be 100%of those that agree. Granted, it would leave out any who disagree and would not let you violate their property rights as this is self government by consent only.

The ETJ does not even require a one percent approval. Those that live there cannot vote.

What does it matter if you approve of the rules or not when the rules are not followed by the municipality in charge?

Anonymous said...

100% agreement is not is not necessary to form a Homeowners Association.. Read the NC Planned Community Act.

Mike D. said...

You know, Guy and Rico, between the two of you and your feelings about land use regulation and manufacture of dangerous products (building codes), I can only imagine that you do not feel that Methamphetamine labs should be illegal.

Do you? If so, why?

They are private businesses, using their own property and making a dangerous product no one is forced to buy. I don't see how you can find that illegal.

guy faulkes said...

M9keD, as I said before, you have totally lost it. Your question is ridiculous as is your comparing building your own house to manufacturing drugs.

If you are going to try to change the subject, then come up with something reasonable or change your name to LPOV.

Anonymous said...

Jordan just sold Soucek down the river. Didn't take the ETJ bill before the House. Substituted a bill that would study ETJs across the state. I wonder if Jordan ever told Soucek he would support the bill? Soucek said he did in an earlier report I believe.

Mike D. said...

Oh, I see, Guy. You don't think methamphetamine labs should be legal. Yet all your recent posts suggest they should be. Why do you think society has the right to tell these meth producers what they can and can't do on their own land? What if five of them form a meth POA? They would have the blessed 100% supermajority you require to make their own rules.

Could it be that, in fact, you are being intellectually dishonest and just protecting the interests of some big-money developers when you claim to support the freedom and responsibility of individuals, while the truth is that you actually do support rules made by a society?

As Rico would say, this ought to be interesting.

Sarkazein said...

MikeD- The meth lab analogy is beyond lame. Enough said... except that liberals are incapable of drawing analogies.

guy faulkes said...

NO, Sark, they can draw analogies. It is just that those they draw are ridiculous. They bring up something that is entirely not connected to the discussion. The methamphetamine post and the unicorn posts are prime examples. They cannot argue facts so they grasp at ridiculous straws in hopes of changing the discussion's direction.

This is the left's most used tactic.

Mike D. said...

Nope, sorry Guy. Your little stab doesn't fly. You say it's ridiculous, but you won't say why. You could answer, but you don't even try.

You have staked your position (that the town can't tell land developers what they can do) on this notion that no majority has the right to tell anyone what they can do on their own property, right up to the very edge of that property. So of course you have to claim that my question is ridiculous, not answer, and group me with your enemies, because there is nothing behind your lie.

All of your argument is a shallow farce to obscure your real objective, Soucek's real objective, to allow a developer to exact revenge on the Town of Boone. It's pathetic, it's appalling, and it cannot hold up in an honest discussion. Lies always fail when they are forced to face the truth. Always.

guy faulkes said...

MikeD, so far, almost every one on the blog has told you your comparison of the manufacture of methamphetamine and zoning (especailly in the ETJ) is ridiculous, but you persist it your lunacy. Are you also comparing murder and rape to zoning? how about houses of prostitution, including those that feature underage girls, as favored by your do-heart, LPOV?

You cannot make a logical argument so you try to be absurd and change the subject. Are you sure you are not LPOV?

Mike D. said...

So Guy,

You still say it's ridiculous, but all you can do is mention other things. It fits as acceptable from all your previous posts, yet you cannot say what makes it wrong and different. Meth is a dangerous product, just like faulty construction. But if it happens on private property, what is your problem with it? You have no idea, do you? Or is it just that you cannot speak the truth without exposing the dishonesty of your position on Soucek's Developer Revenge Bill?

guy faulkes said...

MikeD, you deny manufacturing meth is a crime everywhere. Therefore your argument is not valid. If you condone it, do you also condone murder, rape, child molestation, and prostitution of minors? Doing so is the same as the argument you are making.

It is entirely possible this is your position on these matters, but I hope it is just your liberal tactic of making ridiculous claims.

Sarkazein said...

One of the fastest growing areas in the US is Katy Texas. Most all the growth is not in the city, it is in the county (Fort Bend County). Houses in the giant development of Cinco Ranch sell for $300,000 to over a $million. There are NO inspections of the houses. Oh HOW is it possible? MOST counties in Texas have little to no building electrical plumbing inspections of residential housing. When someone buys a house, an inspection by a private inspector paid for by the buyer is performed. But, for some reason, in the city limits, houses will be unsafe and fall in on the owner's heads if a city inspector and permit is not present.

Mike D. said...

"MikeD, you deny manufacturing meth is a crime everywhere". - Guy

I have said nothing of the sort, though I would bet that there are plenty of places where it is not illegal. I don't know, but some guesses would be The Sandwich Islands, The Republic of Nauru, Antarctica, Swaziland, The Faroe Islands, Vanuatu, The Johnson Atoll, and maybe some others?


"If you condone it". - Guy

I do not condone it. Your arguments in favor of Soucek's Developer Revenge Bill condone it. At least you are finally admitting that society does have the right to set rules of acceptable behavior, even on private property. Be careful. Rico will attack you as a liberal for your admission of that.


"Do you also condone murder, rape, child molestation, and prostitution of minors? Doing so is the same as the argument you are making." - Guy

I condone no such things because I accept that a majority in a society can tell an individual what he is permitted to do, even on his own land, but your fundamental argument in favor of Soucek's Developer Revenge Bill, at its core, absolutely condones such things. I am just glad that you are finally admitting your lie.

Now that the air is clear of your smokescreen, perhaps you can tell the truth about why you support Soucek's aggressive blunder.

guy faulkes said...

Soucek's support of the majority of his constituents is not a blunder.

Have you abandoned your attempt to sidestep the issue with ridiculous posts now that your folly has bee pointed out?

Mike D. said...

Actually, Guy, I answered your post, point by point, and I did so honestly and from the heart. You are agenda-driven, so I expect nothing of the kind from you, no intellectual honesty from you... only words which will serve the platform you think you believe.

guy faulkes said...

It is amusing that you speak of intellectual honesty, MikeD. You do not know the meaning of the term. Your ridiculous comparisons of illegal acts such as drug manufacturing to zoning ordinances prove that.

Of course, now that I think of it, did you not at one time favor legalizing all drug use? I do not remember for sure, but if you did, then the comparison may not be so ridiculous, at least in your mind.

Mike D. said...

No, Guy, I do not favor legalizing all drug use, and I don't believe I ever have. But that's where we are different. I have not staked out an absolute position which precludes me from stating that it's sometimes acceptable for society to tell a person what he or she may do on or with his land. You have laid out just such an extreme position, but now that I mention some other things a person may do (things you don't like, by the way), now suddenly you have to backpedal because you realize that it's not controlling people's behavior you don't like. It's the specific behavior in question.

Which brings me back to the fact that you are being intellectually dishonest, and what you are really doing is saying whatever you can to defend the developer who has orchestrated this vengeful attack against the Town of Boone. Face it. You hate them. Logic matters not to you. Reason matters not to you. Civility matters not to you. Only making your enemy suffer matters to you.

Oh, and by the way, to you and Debbie 'Taliban' Greene and Dan Soucek: Very Christian of you all to support and defend the punitive, vengeful big money developer over the lower middle class common people. Exploitation, intellectual dishonesty, political influence, big money overcoming fairness and the will of the people... how complete can you possibly make the irony, Guy Soucek?

Is there not a passage in Revelation 21 which maps out the destination of such behavior?

Sarkazein said...

Don't you love it when a liberal tries to use the Bible to bolster their "belief"?

Mike D. said...

Sark,

I think I hear a coyote eating one of your grandchildren.

guy faulkes said...

Sark, it is a sign that they have run out of arguments. All those that disagree with them are "bad guys" and "vengeful". Such disagreement is not to be tolerated at any cost.

Do you not find it interesting you and I have never said the other side does not have a right to their beliefs, and yet to them we are the "bad guys" and "vengeful".

I have admitted mys elf interest. Our opponents seem unable to admit theirs. I wonder why.

In no way have I backpedaled in my argument. It has been consistent, MikeD's has been all over the place, culminating in his ridiculous comparisons of apples and oranges when he ran out of anything else to put forth.

Jordan;s bil and Soucek's bill have opened the can of worms, not just with Boone's abuse, but with significant exposure of the problems with the status quot all over the state. Change is coming, if not now, soon.

Sarkazein said...

MikeD... Bible thumper.

Sarkazein said...

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