This blog originally founded by Blogger who holds a theological degree and a doctorate in Counseling Psychology. Taught Psychology for 32 years and is now Professor Emeritus. Is a board-certified psychologist and was awarded the Lifetime Achievement Award in his profession. Ministered as a chaplain, and pastored Baptist and Episcopal churches. Publications cover the integration of psychology and theology. Served in the Army, the Merchant Marines and the Peace Corps.

Friday, June 22, 2012

Soucek--There is None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See

Soucek said he has heard a lot of input from people both for and against the ETJ, but said he felt that the majority of people were opposed to it.  Well we have his word for that.  But, the only record of the names of those supporting
abolishing ETJ was in the Watauga Democrat 2012-06-02.  "...accompanying the senator were Republican Watauga County Board of Commissioners Chair Nathan Miller; Perry Yates, a Republican county commissioner candidate, contractor and owner of New River Building Supply; Keith Honeycutt, a former Republican county commissioner; Jeff Templeton, a Boone Planning Commission member, owner of Templeton Tours and member of a family of developers; Gary Knight; and Sam Adams."

Well Dan, here are some people you might want to listen to.  If you would read the blogs in your
district as well as the local papers, you could learn something about this community which you have just come to.

ETJ Resident said...We'll never know how the majority of those living in the ETJ feel, since Soucek never held a hearing or consulted any of us.  The only people's opinion that he seems to have consulted with are those powerful builders.

Andy said:  Thanks for nothing, Soucek. Here we are out here just minding our own business and you come along and ruin our lives. I bought into the ETJ on purpose three years ago after looking for about that long for a house. I had saved the down payment for the better part of a decade. We bought a small home in a nice neighborhood KNOWING we would have zoning protections. That's the primary reason we bought here.

My Own Party Screwed Me, wrote:  All Republican candidates just lost my vote. Every single one of you. I have voted straight Republican tickets for the last 6 years because I thought they had common sense, I live in the ETJ and you have just destroyed the value of my home with your crappy bill. No one ever asked any of us out here how we felt about this. Everyone in my neighborhood is as pissed off as I am.

Johnny said:  I live on the western end in the ETJ. I can assure you I do not support Soucek's bill and would have told him so if he ever bothered to ask my opinion. He is screwing over people who bought their property in good faith that there were zoning protections. I'm assuming he will have the state legislature refund my loss in equity.

Concerned Citizen wrote: 
  If there is no zoning in the ETJ we're headed for nothing but one huge student apartment complex after another. And I'll add that I don't think students like living in that kind of situation any more than any one else, but that's exactly what we'll have. So thanks for nothing, Soucek. You're a loser and have dragged the rest of us down with you.  Dan are you really for protecting the local homeowners who live in the ETJ or are you out to pull the wool over the eyes of the sheep who so innocently and blindly follow you on your word? Tell the truth behind why you want to abolish the ETJ jurisdiction of Boone. Don’t be fooled my fellow citizens of Watauga County, if bill 949 is passed, you could be the next area that is over taken by corporate irresponsible Pharisees, (because they’re not fair, you see)! Shame on you Dan Soucek…

Commenter in Watauga Democrat Who Lives in the ETJ:  I believe some see zoning as the government telling landowners what to do and sure, it does do that because it is set of regulations. However, without zoning you get the following scenario that Soucek's blind conservatism can't detect. If we don't have some uniform development codes and zoning, then it will be okay for a casino, sex shop, or a shooting range to open up beside your church, public school, or neighborhood. In fact, it would make it okay to put a Wal-mart in the middle of your neighborhood and would give the public no due process in filing grievances and lodging complaints. Of course, people like Soucek suggest that the market (real estate) will sort out these troubles but what he forgets is that only the wealthy folks have the money to hire attorneys to fight these serious issues of space mismatch. In fact, I'm not saying you can't have a Wal-mart or a gun range or a sex shop, all I'm saying, as well as good planning suggests, is that there has to be some consideration of where land and types of businesses can go and that they not encroach on my freedoms as a property owner, which would possibly devalue my property and make it potentially unsafe. I'm not even talking about all the state "zoning" laws that prohibit environmental impact issues. More important, with zoning, I have the right to say, "NO" to developers who want to put a Starbucks, a casino, or an apartment complex in my neighborhood

And Mike wrote: I want to be annexed. I want to vote. But protecting the town from greedy assholes is much more important to me.

174 comments:

Anonymous said...

I am all for a casino, a sex shop, and hopefully in the words of AL Bundy a " Nudie Bar" to open in Boone's ETJ !

That would give the bible thumpers something new to focus on rather then who can marry who, depending on who they choose to have sex with :)

guy faulkes said...

Soucek and Jordan were the only legislators for which the people living in the ETJ could vote that could represent those against the abuses of Boone's ETJ. Those opposed to the bill had ever opportunity to contract Soucek, even after the bill was proposed. They were not as convincing as the other side.

Who do you think ETJ residents not happy with the town should have contacted, Blogger, since they cannot vote in town elections?

A thread that re posts only half of a debate does little justice to this blog. It reduces it to the status of Watauga Watch.

Mike D. said...

Soucek,

I have met you several times and I trusted you. I voted for you. I even came to a Tea Party event and saw you speak.

I will not vote for you again, and I will actively lobby everyone I know to go to the polls to vote against you.

You have shown yourself to be the snake in the Garden of Eden.

Sarkazein said...

MikeD wrote- " Xxxxxxx POV,
If you weren't every bit as guilty of one dimensional thinking as Guy, of no compromise, of no consideration of the needs of those who believe differently than you, then your post could be seen differently."

That's your liberal half trying to draw an analogy... it doesn't work.

Sarkazein said...

MikeD- Are you still in mourning over Rodney King?

guy faulkes said...

Why do you think I have no consideration of those that disagree with me MikeD? I have always said that others have a right to beleive anything they want to beleive. Unfortunately, they many times do not afford me the same courtesy.

As for being uncompromising, that is what people like you say when others do not beleive the same as you do and you cannot change their mind.

What, exactly, is the compromise you offered?

As for the needs of others, the compromise I offered of voluntary annexation would meet your needs.
Could it be you think the town would not approve of it as bringing in the ETJ might change the political power structure of the town? Voluntary annexation would not be denied over the services such as water and sewer issue, because there is no requirement for a set time to provide services for a voluntary annexation. All the town has to do is have a long range plan to offer them at some time in the future. It could keep amending the plan to postpone the services as long as it liked.

Sarkazein said...

What appears funny at first glance is MikeD's comment at 9:45 PM then his comment of 9:52 PM.

Blogger said...

If I read yesterday’s Watauga Democrat correctly, Soucek is quoted as telling his fellow Senators that only “the ETJ residents opposed to the bill were members of the Seven Oaks subdivision.” Either he was deliberately lying or equally bad, proving that he did not do his homework before impacted the lives of many of his constituents. Most of us complaining do not live any where near the Seven Oaks subdivision.

Blogger said...

Guy, "They were not as convincing as the other side."
I wonder why Guy? Follow the money. Follow the money.

USS Rodger Young said...

Soucek is a hero like Vince Gable. He is restricting government power. This is what we elected him for, to restrict the overreach of government. ETJ and all zonine laws in general are nothing more than an abuse of power by municipalaties. Doing away with a tiny portion of local government jurisdiction is quite frankly American.

Soucek is DOING SOMETHING. To bad RINOs don't DO SOMETHING. What have the Watauga County Commissioners done for us lately? The Commissioners (except Gable) have not gained any freedoms for Watauga County Residents or advocated for laws protecting the people (still waiting on the right to hunt, shoot, and trap bill).

Soucek does want to pass laws giving personal responsibility and power to US, THE PEOPLE.

Great job Soucek. You'll get my vote next time, and I will encourage others to do the same. You are a freedom fighter (right now anyway) for the people.

Rodger Young

Blogger said...

Speaking of the attempt to protect Boone’s beauty, Soucek is quoted in yesterday’s Watauga Democrat with the dismissive remark: “We like the way something looks, so we want to control someone’s property.” Obviously he was not around when the people of the state themselves set a precedent with: The 1983 Mountain Ridge Protection Act, also called the “North Carolina Ridge Law,” which was enacted by the NC General Assembly in 1983 in response to a high-rise resort that was built on Sugar Top Mountain in Avery County. This huge blight on the ridge of sugar top mountain led to public outrage. The public outrage led to a law being written and passed.

USS Rodger Young said...

One of the coward nonymouse posters on another related thread told me zoning laws protected his/her property. Some hogwash to the effect that a run down shack with weeds growing around it would be a hazard to his (the cowards) property. Typical musings of someone who relies on the nanny state, cradle to grave.

There are many areas of the county without zoning, and I haven't heard of long grass causing someone else's house to burn. If you keep your grass mowed and reduce fire danger on your property (in other words exercise personal responsibility) you will be fine, just like Americans have been fine for the past 300 years.

Zoning laws of all kinds are communist in nature. Liberals love zoning laws because it supplants their having to engage in distasteful conversations or interactions with others. A liberal would rather dial a few numbers and have the gestapo deal with it for them. In other words, no personal responsibility.

Pesky building inspectors are among the worst. Due to liberal zoning laws, a building inspector now has the joy (and they love it) of telling you what, why, and how you will build on your very own property. Again, if you agree with this, then your a COWARD. Many, like the coward nonymouse poster, love it when someone tells them what do do. Like paying taxes, registering weapons, and not cutting trees on one's own property.

There are still a few of us who don't like or agree with state sponsored abuse of power. We like to exercise personal responsibility, a condition lost on many Americans these days. If I want to live in a leaky, ramshackle shack on my own property, then it's on me. If I want to give one of my kids ( I have 4) a whipping, that's my business. A coward liberal wants to push a button and have someone else take care of the little problems.

Zoning laws then are an extension of laziness. Liberals, not wanting to confront a neighbor over noisy dogs, paddling children (I cut limber switches for my kids), burning leaves in the front yard, shooting, etc, has figured out that he,/she can rely on an ever-too-willing bureaucrat (job security for them) to do the dirty work.

Zoning laws are for cowards. Right now Soukek isn't a coward, but those who agree with zoning laws are.

Unbelievable the amount of cowards on this thread.

If you cowards don't like living in Watauga County, leave. We did just fine without you liberals for a couple hundred years (no zoning laws) until you lazy twits came along and tried to change things into the very cesspool you left (Strict zonig laws).

Idiots.

Rodger Young

Ps Go Soucek!!!!!

USS Rodger Young said...

Go Dan Soucek!!! A majority are behind you. A few special interests and liberal cowards are yapping and blabbing but don't let them worry you - they need to move to Cary or Pinehurst.

USS Rodger Young said...

Go Soucek!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Blogger, do you believe in free enterprise?

Or do you believe in chosen economic paths by the controlling few? Do you believe in a planned economy, which benefits some at the expense of others? Do you prefer regulations, regulations, regulations? Do you believe that Boone should control even rural areas, the whole county? That is not the mark of a free society.

I believe in free enterprise.

USS Rodger Young said...

Blogger said,

"This huge blight on the ridge of sugar top mountain led to public outrage"

Maybe you think it's a blight, but others don't. The people who pay big bucks for it must not think that. I don't think that. What about the "blight" of expensive homes perched on ridgelines and mountains. Where's the outrage blogger? You live in a home in Watauga County don't you? I think your home and yard are a blight. And your car looks stupid too.

A few special interest groups opposed Suger Top. Most locals didn't. The same special interest groups that opposed Sugar Top support things like illegal aliens, gun control, Grandfather Mountain Scenic Area, gays flipping off Reagan in the White House, zoning laws, and nanny state government.

Blogger, I didn't know you were a closet liberal. I never knew. Well, nothing surprises me much anymore. Soucek is a hero.

Rodger Young

Anonymous said...

J Whacko, According to you I need to dig a fire trench around my home to avoid it burning when your not up to code unkempt shack with overgrown grass catches fire and threatens my property ?

"There are many areas of the county without zoning, and I haven't heard of long grass causing someone else's house to burn. If you keep your grass mowed and reduce fire danger on your property (in other words exercise personal responsibility) you will be fine, just like Americans have been fine for the past 300 years."

If your for personal responsibility then why are you saying it is my job to protect my home from your fire trap?

Should it not be yours to make sure that your trap doesn't burn in the 1st place causing damage to others?

You can not have it both ways whackomole.

Blogger said...

us roger young, Try not to be stupid. It is bad enough that you are getting as long winded as Debbie was and making me wish I were a deleter. My point was that the people of North Carolina pass laws to maintain the beauty of their mountains. Doing so is not unique to Boone as the recent arrived Soucek seems to think.

USS Rodger Young said...

Blogger,

Don't get smart with me. Delete me if you wish, not a big deal. I could care less.

You support nanny state government intervention into the personal lives of citizens. When do you intend this intrusion to stop? When the wolf's in the door, you'll never get it out again. Watauga County was desirable before zoning laws. How did it get that Watauga County will become unlivable if we don't have zoning laws. Something made people want to come here.

Rodger Young

PS A lot of RINOs would surely love it if you did delete me. Do it if you have the guts.

USS Rodger Young said...

I'll be short for blogger.

GO DAN SOUCEK!!!!!

Blogger said...

No Roger Young,
No, no closet liberal, or as they now like to be called, progressive, here. Progressives are those arrogant SOB’s who think they are smarter and wiser than all those who came before them. That is not me.

On the other hand, sometimes there are situations that put a person between a rock and a hard place. I am in one of those right now and I look on you as amazingly uncompassionate.

Mike D. said...

"I could care less." - Rico

Rico, if you "could care less", that means you do care. If you "couldn't care less", that means you do not care. Just FYI.

USS Rodger Young said...

Liberal socialist sheep said:

"J Whacko, According to you I need to dig a fire trench around my home to avoid it burning when your not up to code unkempt shack with overgrown grass catches fire and threatens my property ?"

If that's what you feel you need to do, then feel free. Does this mean all areas near homes that have woods and trees with leaf litter should be cut down and paved over to save your home. Or building a home in the woods should now be prohibited. You're about an idiot. Stop and think about what your saying for a minute.

"If your for personal responsibility then why are you saying it is my job to protect my home from your fire trap?

Should it not be yours to make sure that your trap doesn't burn in the 1st place causing damage to others?"

It is your job because you own it moron. Take some personal responsiblity and fire proof your home. It is NOT and NEVER is my responsibility to ensure your property doesn't burn. My overgrown barn in the middle of an overgrown field is my business. If you don't like it, buy me out, talk to me about it, install a hose or two, or whatever makes you feel good.

But never use the nanny state to force me to cut my weeds or condemn my barn. That is communism. Funny, there are many areas of the county with this same scenario. A barn or old home with weeds grown up around it. They never seem to have problems in those parts of the county without zoning. Yet you liberals want all kinds of assurances by the nanny state. How about exercise some personal responsibility to ensure your home doesn't burn. Zoning of ANY kind creates a problem where there never was one.

And liberals create zoning laws. Therefore, liberals create problems where there never were any. Go home to whatever cesspool you came from and let us locals who never wanted you here in the first place to our overgrown fields and ramshackle homes.

Rodger Young

NewGuy said...

I am a Dan Soucek supporter and have helped him in his previous campaign and expect to help him again. I don't totally agree with him on this issue and am still hopeful that some compromise can be reached.

Some of you don't want to accept that honorable people can disagree on an issue without becoming "liberal" or somehow less intelligent than yourselves. A lot of people, conservatives included, are concerned about the quality of their lives and their rights to enjoy relative peace and quiet in their homes. Not everyone can afford to move to a gated community.

Blogger has provided a forum here for a long time and has never "pre screened" or removed posts for offering of differing opinions. (We have removed the one endlessly repetitive poster and have removed posts for obscenities, spam and, in one or two cases, for personal - and unproven - attacks against named individuals who were not public figures.) Maintaining an OPEN forum for discussion of all points of view has been an important part of "our" blog!

Let's all take a deep breath and agree to disagree. We are not all going to always agree on every issue.

*returns soapbox to storage*

Mike D. said...

NewGuy,

While you and I hope that compromise can be reached, Soucek has a bill that has passed the Senate and now rests with the House. Are you hoping that Perdue will exercise her veto?

guy faulkes said...

Rico's comments to Blogger are actually not that different than MikeD's comments to me.

Fortunately there will be more people voting in Soucek's race than those that are understandably voting for their personal gain by opposing him because of this bill.

It is ironic how "follow the money" is a battle cry for those that want the monetary decisions made to favor them. They are committing the exact act they are decrying. They are just as self serving as those they accuse.

There is nothing wrong with that, but both sides should be honest about it.

As I said before, I do not want to suffer the abuse that has been common in the decision making process of the Town of Boone. Nor so I want to be subject to the rule of a government entity where I cannot vote or run for office. This is what constitutes self serving for me.

Please explain why those of you that are in favor of the ETJ seem so adverse to requesting voluntary annexation. It could be satellite annexation (spot annexation as New uy called it in another thread). It should not be a problem, especailly if the entire neighborhood agrees as many of you falsely claim.

NewGuy said...

Mike D...Veto? What a thought provoking question! Of course the bill would first have to pass the House and then move to her for signature - and, the vote in the house would likely send a signal to her as to whether or not a successful veto is possible......

But, my thinking at this time is "NO, I wouldn't hope for a veto."

My hope for compromise is based on the fact that the language in the bill was changed to allow a year before it becomes effective and, Senator Soucek has signaled that this would allow time for negotiations, etc. (“My goal was not to take away the ETJ powers of Boone,” said Soucek. “It was to give a voice to the people in the ETJ who had felt ignored and bullied for years. They basically have regulation without representation.”)

It might also allow time for 'satellite annexation' as Guy Faulkes has suggested - and I would certainly consider that as one viable option.
Spot zoning by the county to offer some protection to residential neighborhoods would be another.

Like Blogger, I feel conflicted here! I don't like Boone over=regulating county residents but, at the same time, I have sympathy for those residents who feel that they have no other realistic option to protect their interests. I don't like government telling people they can't cut a tree on their own property - but I also don't like asphalt plants plopping down their operations in or next to residential neighborhoods. And, I don't like them putting their materials in the flood zone of the river to be washed downstream with every flood which occurs - and, as you may know, the river floods quite frequently. It's the same reason I support Jordan's bill to prevent Boone from taking water from the New and replacing it with sewage! I suppose the people arguing that asphalt plants can locate where they please might also argue that, since Boone owns the property that the river flows through, they should have the right to pump the water out. For some reason, nobody makes that argument.

I would like to see ETJ residents have the ability to vote in the town elections that affect them directly (Although I am not sure whether that is something that would have to be legislated at the state level or not)...I strongly agree with Soucek, Guy and others that they should have a voice in electing those who would regulate them. (Which annexation would provide).

I wish I had the easy answer....as someone else said once, "I feel strongly both ways!" but, I have given it a lot of thought and I seem to feel a little bit more strongly in favor of protecting the property rights of the area homeowners who seem to want these regulations (or protections, depending on your point of view!)

Anyhow, Mike...thanks for the question!

NewGuy said...

Guy Faulks said:

"Rico's comments to Blogger are actually not that different than MikeD's comments to me. "
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Guy...not sure if this post is intended in part to respond to my earlier plea for civility.....?

If so, let me say that my remarks were not addressed to anyone in particular - Rico, Blogger, Mike or you or even "anonymous troll"...I just like to see the discussions kept more or less "on track" and not degenerate into pissin' contests...

You and I seem to be in 100% agreement about 90% of the time! Some of the times when we do disagree we often do so with strong feelings and passion. Yet, I don't recall you and I ever resorting to personal attacks on each other.

At any rate...I was just offering my personal opinion. The blog has been open to a variety of opinions on a multitude of topics....that was just my opinion on one topic!

Blogger said...

Guy "Please explain why those of you that are in favor of the ETJ seem so adverse to requesting voluntary annexation. It could be satellite annexation (spot annexation as New Guy called it in another thread). It should not be a problem, especially if the entire neighborhood agrees as many of you falsely claim."

Guy, I have not heard anyone in a position to promise anything like spot annexation. As to "falsely claim", how do you think we got R1? We got the signatures of all the people in our neighborhood. That's how!

Blogger said...

Guy, I am still bent out of shape about your accusation of “falsely claiming.” You can’t know that unless you have gone out and canvassed all the ETJ. For your information, when we were offered R1 status, I went out and obtained the signatures of every one of the 12 families in my neighborhood. Only one refused at first as she had 8 students crammed into a tiny house which was dangerous. Some of the families today bought because it is R1 including the new owner of that home.

You are trying to set yourself up as champion of the ETJ people. You obviously don’t live here and you have shown no evidence that you even know what you are talking about.

Anonymous said...

As to a possible veto from Governor "Dumpling", since Soucek's bill involves a local matter, she cannot veto.

Go Soucek and Jordan!!

Oh, and Blogger, I wonder if you contributed to the huge sum Boone paid lobbyists to fight Soucek and Jordan's common sense bills.

You and New Guy are really showing your true colors.

Reader said...

Seems this issue is ticking everyone off. I haven't weighed in on the ETJ because I don't live in it. We do own property awfully close to it. I can understand people have fears. When people purchase property, some fail to think ahead of what could be built or developed around them. Business owners have a hard time with the town and habor hard feelings toward them. That's another reason we don't like so many regulations. Some regulations are needed, others are not. Surely there is a way for home owners to sign over their rights to the town, if that's what will make them happy.

Blogger, I took Guy's comment as there are many property owners in the ETJ, not just the subdivisions. I think Seven Oaks only has 20+ homes in it...there are a lot of other property owners in the ETJ around them and all the way to Food Lion on the east side. I'd say more than just 20 owners. Not sure on the west side of town.

We all have disagreements, that's why we vote. I support Dan on this one, just because of what we've gone through, due to owning a business in town. The thing with me, I don't abide by all the rules of the town...but I do have to deal with the consequences.

USS Rodger Young said...

The last post by anonymous wasn't me. He was using my language, but it wasn't me. I agree, civility should be upheld here. I support Soucek of course. And civility towards Blogger is in order. I agree with him 95% of the time so he can't be all that bad.

But Blogger, do you see what you're saying here sir? You want the STATE to regulate your/our lives. I live in ETJ and want NOTHING to do with Boone's crazy laws. The folks who run Boone are liberals Blogger. You want a liberal telling you a tree can't be cut in your yard or that you can't shoot a deer standing in your front yard from the window you've specially designed to slide a rifle through?

Come on Blogger, side with Soucek on this. Any law limiting government power is a good law. I can't think of one law limiting government power that isn't a good law, can you?

Liberals will use the ETJ to run your life. And your children's lives as well. Stamp out their machinations on your way of life by supporting Soucek. Personal responsibility is far more effective in the long run than zoning.

Rodger Young

Anonymous said...

I have read these posts for years and have never once posted on any subject just because i think both parties suck and i dont consider myself either repub or dem. I almost feel like i have to speak up on this issue because it has effected me in ways you will never know. I own a couple businesses in Boone and have had the misfortune of building a commercial project in Boone and will never ever build anything else in the ETJ or the town limits. I cant begin to tell you how bad and silly the planning and inspections department apply the rules as they see fit. I really dont have time to get into all the details but i know Boone has got almost everything wrong with how they apply the rules and regs and no one there has any common sense whatsoever.

NewGuy said...

".....The last post by anonymous wasn't me. He was using my language,....

JR, no, of course it wasn't you, Your posts have more style! It's pretty clear that this is from someone who, uhable to argue her points with logic, turns instead to personal comments.

We knew she couldn't stop herself from posting!

NewGuy said...

anon....while I try not to respond to anonymous posters I will make an exception to welcome you (and your first post) to the forum.

I hope you will pick a nickname and continue to give us your perspective on things. It's always beneficial to hear different opinions.

guy faulkes said...

No, Blogger, I have not spoken with every ETJ resident around the Town of Boone. Neither have you. Forgive me for stating the obvious, but there are far more than 12 families in the ETJ.

I have talked with a lot of residents of the ETJ that do not like being in the ETJ so approval of all the residents is far from total acceptance.

I told you before that my property would probably be in the next ETJ expansion so I am being pro-active with my concerns. I freely admit my self interest. You ignore yours and expect me to do the same.

Why do you never address the many abuses the Town has committed? They have been documented in the press even if many of them wee whitewashed.

Have you even done any research on satellite annexation? It is certainly an option as it already exists out towards Deep Gap. It might behoove you to do so.

As to whether I know what I am talking about, I would think any reasonable person would check to see if I had made any misstatements if it effected him as much as you claim losing the ETJ will effect you.

I my opinion, you are mad at the wrong entity. Soucek was forced to his action by the abuses of the town in enforcing its own code. Do you place no blame on it? If not for their actions, the ETJ bill would not have been submitted.

New Guy, I have to admit my response was connected to your call for civility. I have vigorously represented my opinion, but have not been rude or posted anything approaching being less than civil. I have even stated on several occasions others have every right to disagree with me. Some of them cannot say the same.

Mike D. said...

"Soucek was forced to his action".

What. at gunpoint? Everything in life is a choice.

As Blogger says, "follow the money". I would be curious to know if any local developers contributed significant sums of money to either Samaritan's Purse or Franklin Graham Ministries.

guy faulkes said...

What if they did, MikeD? Are you saying they should not be able to participate in the political process because they are successful?

Soucek was forced to take action when many of his constituents made a legitimate complaint. That is his job. Was he supposed to ignore the issue because you like ETJs at any cost?

I thought you were a fan of small, limited government. What happened?

Mike D. said...

"Soucek was forced to take action" - Guy

No one is forced to do anything. Everything is a choice. Soucek chose to take action.


"when many of his constituents made a legitimate complaint" - Guy

You cannot, and you do not know that. It could have been one land developer and two ETJ residents. You have no way of knowing.


"I thought you were a fan of small, limited government. What happened?" - Guy

I am primarily a fan of decentralized government, Guy. Do you understand the difference between "small" and "decentralized"? To strictly adhere to a statement like "smaller government is better" is inherently anarchist. If smaller government is better, then logic dictates that no government is best.

I do not believe that anarchy is a good plan, Guy, but much of what you say, and maybe you are just trying to get under peoples' skin, suggests that you really are an anarchist. No public utilities, no public education, and every man for himself. Buy a gun and shoot someone to show that you are serious about protecting your land claim. That's pretty much the philosophy you convey, Guy.

So small government? Sure, to a point. But let's not remove all restrictions on human behavior, because there are indeed people out there who intend to exploit, to take advantage, to victimize others for their own profit. Regulation is the act of powerless people banding together to fight against the bully as a more powerful group.

MG said...

The question you have to ask is " who is the bully? "

guy faulkes said...

MikeD, this means you are a fan of three thousand tyrants one mile away instead of one tyrant three thousand miles away to quote a line from the movie the Patriot, An abusive municipal government is just as bad as an abusive Federal government.

The Town of Boone is the bully.

It could just as easily been one developer and hundreds of ETJ residents. You are posting a conjecture that you feel would support your cause. You do not know. In any case the number was sufficient to get the bill introduced and many of us favor it.

Your anarchy statement is ridiculous as one of my principle complaints has always been the abuse the town commits by not following the rule of law, even when the law is its own code.

Blogger said...

The heroine in our community is the owner who had six students in her house. Still she signed our R1 petition and had the boys find other places. She did that because she was a person who cared for others, her neighbors and her neighborhood.

This whole issue now for me has come down to the battle of the good guys versus the bad guys. There are good people who will help establish a decent family oriented community for the sake of others. They will do anything to keep it that way. And on the bad side are those who care nothing for anyone else except for their own personal greedy gains. Hiding the evil behind ideology will never cut it for me. This thing is real and personal.

guy faulkes said...

Blogger, so you are saying those that do not agree with you and your self interest are "bad guys"? Is this because they are doing the same thing you are and defending their self interest? Are you saying good people with families cannot live in a multifamily building? Is that not just another form of prejudice? How does that make you a "good guy"?

Disagreement among people with different interests and goals does not make either one a good guy or bad guy. It only means they have different interests and goals.

I would have thought better of you. I am saddened.

If everyone in your neighborhood agrees with single family use, as you say, why do you not form a formal homeowner's association that would privately limit these properties to that use in perpetuity? It would be a restriction or restrictions on all of your deeds that could limit anything on which you can all agree. You do not need the Town of Boone.

The only difference is that you will have to enforce violations through the courts instead of using an abusive municipal Gestapo. That is only fair. It would be your rules about your neighborhood which makes it your responsibility.

Anonymous said...

Guy yours is a great example of group responsibly. Unlike J.Whacko, who believes if her non code shack and over grown yard burns and takes out the entire neighborhood it was their fault for not taking preventative measures to guard from her.

But i am sure she would cackle with glee while she watched the neighbor hood burn, since she would have 50% of firefighters and police fired.

Blogger said...

Speaking of the way Soucek handled all this, the Blowing Rock News wrote: "Good legislation does not need to circumvent the capturing of publicly-expressed opinion, nor the public's understanding of relevant issues. Private conversations (with "an overwhelming number" of ETJ residents purportedly supporting this bill) have only discounted value when it comes to arriving at PUBLIC policy.
It is not enough to vaguely refer to an unnamed business whose sign did not get approved or addition to their headquarters was rejected. For credibility, and to help us (the public) understand the problems, we need the perspective provided by specific cases."
I would link the article, but could not make it work.

guy faulkes said...

Blogger, you do not need a specific case. Follow the call of any five special or conditional use permit applications made in Boone/s jurisdiction and the majority have suffered abuse form Boone not following its own regulations.

guy faulkes said...

Blogger, I have been thinking about a couple of your posts. One is the post where you claimed to be bent out of shape. The other is the post were you call those that disagree with you "bad guys" when they are only doing exactly what you are doing.

Forgive me for saying so, but the second post to which I refer has me bent out of shape. You are better than this.

Mike D. said...

Guy,

Among my neighbors, I know three of five. The other two do not live in their investment properties. Including myself with the three I know, four of four want to be annexed, and zero of four have ever suggested that we want the Town of Boone to lose its ETJ authority.

So please, live in your winner shoot all, defecate on your neighbor's face if he's sleeping without his gun preposterous anarchy fantasy land, but I live in the real world where people are expected to be kind to one another, respectful of one another. The lack of humanity you are showing is something I have never seen from you before. God help the little old lady crossing the street when you decide you have somewhere to be.

Anonymous said...

You're outta luck, blogger. Passed the committee this evening on a 10-9 party line vote. I'll let you guess which party was the 10.

guy faulkes said...

MikeD, you have totally lost it. You ignore the fact that the ABUSE by the Town of Boone is what caused this. Their actions to ignore the rule of law is the entire reason for the bill (although voting rights should be pat of it). Supporting the rule of law is not anarchy.

You cannot think of anything but your own self interest and so you attack those that disagree with you. Everything you have ever said about Rico is applicable to you. The little old lady has less to fear from me than she odes you, because I would not attack her. You have shown you would.

The surprising thing is that Blogger is doing the same thing. I can beleive it of MikeD but would never have considered there to be a possibility for Blogger to take this track.

If you want to be annexed and own the property, what is keeping you from making the application, MikeD?

Mike D. said...

Guy,

We were in the process until you and your little posse of douchebags tied up the town council for the foreseeable future.

"If everyone in your neighborhood agrees with single family use, as you say, why do you not form a formal homeowner's association that would privately limit these properties to that use in perpetuity? It would be a restriction or restrictions on all of your deeds that could limit anything on which you can all agree." - Guy

Wait, you mean form a community? A community which agrees to a standard of behavior? Holy crap, Guy, I think you might have hit on something! Soon you might be capable of comprehending a society made up of more than five families!

Seriously, what is wrong with you? Do you think a city, any city, could survive, could exist, could even form if the rules of civilized behavior required your 100% unanimous requirement?

Guy, I have never said this before, because you have never shown it, but you are an idiot.

Mike D. said...

Oh, and Soucek... nice job uniting your party, you tool.

Mike D. said...

Guy, Rico, Debbie 'Taliban' Greene, and Soucek. Nice party. No thanks.

Anonymous said...

I live in the ETJ and would like to be annexed. But until that happens, I am happy with the current ETJ rules. I call Soucek a friend, but I can't support him after this.

Anonymous said...

How can it be the America that i know and love when government can tell you what trees you may cut on your own land. They can also dictate what type of plants you may or may not put on your land how thick your mulch is who can plant those trees and put that mulch down? Someone please tell me how this is still a free country? I know from my personal experiance the town is unjust and abusive beyond belief! Some things just dont require government intrusion.

Does it not strike anyone as a little odd that the town dictates what our properties look like and they have some of the junkiest looking properties in Boone? Drive down King st. And look the townhall is an old run down bank next to a theater with spray paint all over it which is also owned by the town. Next on the drive you go by the public works office and it has been falling down for years. I am so tempted to let my property go and dare the yown to issue a violation on me just to see if they would dare have the balls to fight me on it.

USS Rodger Young said...

Look at Mike D. He's losing it!! We won!! Here's irrationality squared when he made the following statement to Guy:

"So please, live in your winner shoot all, defecate on your neighbor's face if he's sleeping without his gun preposterous anarchy fantasy land"

I keep seeing the word "anarchy" coming from Mike D. Is he suffering from broken record syndrome like the povs do? Mike D, are you anti-gun now? Perhaps you should control your immature emotions and answer all the questions I've been asking you. LOL!! This is fantastic. Mike D is having a meltdown!!!

MIKE D IS HAVING A MELTDOWN. What a goon!!!!!!

Rodger Young

USS Rodger Young said...

Mike D said:

"We were in the process until you and your little posse of douchebags tied up the town council for the foreseeable future."

Now, now Mikey D, isn't the word "douchebag" a little personal. Oh, I forgot, YOUR HAVING A MELTDOWN! MELTDOWN!!!!! Guy ate your lunch. Guy ate your lunch, and you can't take it!! Good job Guy. Mike D is losing it for real.

Such venom and filth spewing from your well worn pie-hole Mike D. I'm aghast at your purely emotional response. I never curse at folks or talk about defacating on old ladies and such. I'm simply aghast. You've crossed a line on this fine blog. I'm working for civility and your calling people douchebags. Come on Mikey D, your somewhat better than that.

Rodger Young

PS I see you haven't touched one of my truth posts. Tough to deal with aren't they? LOL!!

USS Rodger Young said...

Zoning laws are unconstitutional and quite frankly Anti-American. GO DAN SOUCEK. Do away with all zoning laws and return freedom to the people. In many communities right here in Watauga County, a municipality dictates what color you may paint your home, what type of roofing material you may put on your house, and whether or not you can plant a garden in your backyard.

Blogger and Mikey D, you two advocate for such laws? This is amazing and sad. You don't think I should be able to cut a tree on my own property? You two are dabbling in communism. The real anarchists are you two.

Go Dan Soucek. I've spoken with many Watauga County residents on this issue, and most are with you. Keep doing what your doing which is increasing freedom.

GO DAN SOUCEK.

Sarkazein said...

2 cents worth- Houston has NO zoning laws. We survive.

NewGuy said...

Sure, you "survive". but you have to admit, it's entirely too hot and humid in the summer.

guy faulkes said...

Which party are you referring to, MikeD? Neither Deborah Greene or I are Republicans.

Mike D. said...

Sure, Guy, and all those people Glenn Beck calls Communists technically do not belong to the Communist Party USA, and yet...

Mike D. said...

Rico,

I am flattered that you hold me to a higher standard than you hold yourself.

Do you not remember recently (in this thread), calling me a "coward" in all capital letters?

Sarkazein said...

New Guy- 108 in the Bayou City today (boiled the humidity down to 28%). Staying in the A/C zone.

NewGuy said...

Sark...maybe you should get some zoning that requires 78degrees and low humidity!

I haven't been to Houston since the 80s but I remember the heat/humidity!

Still...GREAT city!

USS Rodger Young said...

Mike D,

Your an all knowing, all powerful entity capable of wiping a peasant like me away with a sweep of the hand. Your pretty smart, but zoning laws are still communist.

Mike D. said...

And it's still "you're", not "your", Rico. ;-)

Mike D. said...

Rico,

Why only eliminate zoning laws? Don't building codes limit free enterprise as well? Shouldn't the end user decide whether the building is built soundly enough to support their family? Building codes are a serious intrusion by government into the freedom of contractors to build as they wish.

Seriously, that's how ridiculous you sound when you follow your own logic to its natural fallacies.

Wolf's Head said...

Ridiculous is how you sound Mike D.

There are 15 states that do not require building codes, but they may be required by local jurisdictions.

Here's an e book on it.http://www.greenhomebuilding.com/building_codes.htm#books

So who is it "that's how ridiculous you sound when you follow your own logic to its natural fallacies"

And it is the builder and owners that should decide how something is built, not bureaucrats.

Perdue and the lefties in Raleigh enacted many code changes before the Repubs took the legislature.

From what a local bldg inspector told me, just the recently enacted changes may cost an additional $10,000.00 to the cost of a new home in this county.

Building codes are for 2 things. To protect the insurance companies ( the bldg inspectors are under the state's Dept. of Insurance) and the banks, who loan money on the buildings.

It has NOTHING to do with quality.

Sarkazein said...

My plan would be to close building permit departments. If a house is to be insured or financed and inspections are required, a private engineer could review the plans, do the inspections and seal the result. No need for a city inspector to hand you a green tag from his car because he didn't want to get his shoes muddy.

Reader said...

Wolf, has the town enacted stricter rules than the state's requirements?

USS Rodger Young said...

Mike D,

Yes, I am saying we don't need building inspectors. I've said that for years now. Pesky building inspectors are yet another intrustion into your personal life. Many Watauga farmhouses built before the turn of the LAST century still stand. They didn't need building inspectors then, and things were fine.

I should be able to build a house to my standards. If those standards don't meet someone else's standards then what's the problem? A pesky building inspector, as Wolf states, does nothing more than add cost to building a home. And you agree with these rising costs so a pesky building inspector can have a job?

Where do you want it to end. Shouldn't that building inspector also have the power to come into your home and "inspect" for any new building activity. After all, you must be protected from yourself. The slippery slope keeps getting steeper due to liberal socialists such as yourself.

Rodger Young

Anonymous said...

The grading for a driveway does not come under the jurisdiction of a building inspector.

Mike D. said...

Fine then, fellers. How about traffic intersections? Should it be the sole discretion of whomever is driving to decide whether or not he or she comes to a stop at any given intersection of roads?

Wolf's Head said...

Reader, yes it has, the "view shed" and Steep slope" regs are stricter than the state as far as I know. And the "Tree Ordinances" have been relaxed some but are still insane.

Remember when Lowe's building supply and the Wilco in Perkinsville were fined for OVERPRUNING THEIR OWN TREES?

It is not only are the regs more severe, but the INTERPRETATION and vigorous enforcement.

Wolf's Head said...

Anonymous, grading a driveway DOES require a grading permit in Boone if it is over a certain area.

Wolf's Head said...

"Mike D. said...

Fine then, fellers. How about traffic intersections?"

Stupid comparison.

What you do on private property is one thing, what you do on public roads is something else.

By the way, you have NO IDEA how frustrating it is to drive here in the states after driving in Germany.

They have curteous drivers, who DON"T BLOCK THE EFFING LEFT LANE, have practically NO stop signs, high speed freeways with smooth as silk pavement and areas with NO SPEED LIMITS!! YEE HAW!!

Anonymous said...

Yes Wolf,, but in Blowing Rock,and I suspect in Boone the person doing the inspection is not the building inspector. He is the erosion control guy. The average driveway is to small to require a permit, i beleive.

Wolf's Head said...

Anon, I didn't say the Building inspector would inspect it, but that it needed a grading permit if over a certain size.

The Environmental Inspector dude is still an inspector, and does work with the town's ordinances.

Mike D. said...

Wolf,

I used to live in Geneva. I remember both the courtesy and the speed. :-)

Mike D. said...

"What you do on private property is one thing, what you do on public roads is something else." - Wolf

So, if I understand this correctly, it's ok to regulate human behavior on public property, but not private property, right?

Should I be able to sell my 0.39 acre property to a nuclear power plant to dispose of their spent fuel rods then?

It seems like all these broad answers about land use and regulation are not actually such firmly held beliefs when scrutinized.

Anonymous said...

Rodger Young = Deborah Greene

Anonymous said...

So, if I understand this correctly, it's ok to regulate human behavior on public property, but not private property, right? Right! The government agrees and does his all the time.

Should I be able to sell my 0.39 acre property to a nuclear power plant to dispose of their spent fuel rods then? If you can and they will buy it for that, why not? They will probably want to buy more property than the little lot you own and use to try say it gives you the right to tell everyone else what to do. People in the area would be better off with nuclear waste as a neighbor than you as one.

Mike D. said...

Anonymous,

I doubt that seriously. I share the bounty of my garden with my neighbors. What do you share, a "No Trespassing" sign?

Anonymous said...

Nope, I let my neighbors borrow my tractor so they can have their own garden.

USS Rodger Young said...

Many zoning laws don't allow gardens. Mike D (ummy), how will you magnanimously share your bounty when the local government bans your garden?

ETJ Independent said...

You can argue back and forth about zoning all you like. I'm not a fan of the overzealous zoning and regulation that exists in some places but I don't think what we have here, even in the town of Boone, is all that bad. Those of you praising Germany and Switzerland should probably read up on regulations there. Germany has *federal-level* zoning and building codes that are some of the strictest in the world.

Anyway, the core issue here for me is that Soucek pushed this through without consulting the residents of the ETJ (sorry but listening to one or two people with a bone to pick does not count). If he had he would have found that a lot of us -democrats, republicans and independents like me- chose to buy in the ETJ and like the limited protections it gives us. I'm not super excited about being annexed by Boone because among other things I like my well water. But if the choice is between that or revert to county governance with no zoning, I'd rather be annexed.

I do hope that Sen. Soucek will learn from this experience and listen to ALL his constituents next time.

Blogger said...

Thank you ETJ Independent.

guy faulkes said...

ETJ Independent, as you claim to know, how many people contacted Soucek asking for relief from Boone's abuses? you say two It may have been more like two hundred. If one considers complaints on blogs and in the media, it may have been two thousand.

Do you really think these people are not entitled to representation because they disagree with you?

This is going to help Soucek except with those in Boone who are served by their self interest in opposing him.

USS Rodger Young said...

Dan Soucek is a citizen of Watauga County. Therefore, he talks daily with citizens of the county who approach him with comments, problems, or issues. Many ETJ residents, upon seeing the many abuses associated with zoning laws, approached Soucek to see if he could do something. Soucek, the industrious representative he is, began talking with other ETJ members. More of them said the same thing.

The fact he wasn't able to ferret out an extremely small minority of liberal socialist sheep who want government bureaucrats controlling their lives is no reason whatsoever to say he didn't "poll" correctly.

Dan Soucek has a good feel for the issues surrounding zoning and ETJ. He is addressing those issues. The fact a handful of people (blogger, mike d, etc) need the nanny state to coddle them is not relevant in this arguement.

This is about personal responsibility. Soucek understands the importance of personal responsibility, unlike the liberal socialist sheep who think they need zoning laws to protect them from themselves.

This ought to be interesting!!!!!

USS Rodger Young said...

how come Mike D is running from my posts? Some tough questions I asked you weren't they Mike D? You are faltering my friend. I wasn't going to call you out on it, but you need a reality check. You might want to see someone for your communist tendencies also.

Rodger Young

Blogger said...

"how come Mike D is running from my posts?"

Maybe he is like me, boring.

guy faulkes said...

Blogger, you are not correct in your evaluation of this issue, but you are not boring as is MikeD.

Why do you compare yourself to him?

Mike D. said...

Rico,

I have done no polling, other than being friendly and talking to my own neighbors. I have not specifically asked them about Soucek's Developer Revenge Bill, but I do know that of the ones I have talked with at length, 100% have said we wished to be annexed, and 0% have said we want Boone to lose its ETJ authority.

But please, don't let my neighborhood slow you down. You are on a roll!

And by the way, sorry I made you wait for a response. I've been at the lake all day.

USS Rodger Young said...

Blogger,

Do I bore you? Sorry about that. You don't bore me. I usually like what you have to say, and enjoy your quiet way of reflecting on things. You're never boring. Sorry I am. I'll work on it.

USS Rodger Young said...

Blogger,

Do I bore you? Sorry about that. You don't bore me. I usually like what you have to say, and enjoy your quiet way of reflecting on things. You're never boring. Sorry I am. I'll work on it.

Blogger said...

"Blogger, Do I bore you?" No, but about everything there is to say has been said on this topic. Also, I believe that neither you nor Guy nor Debbie have any skin in this game other than your obsessive–compulsive doctrines. I on the other hand feel my quality of life threatened, and the value of my property impacted. There is no morally equivalency here.

So, I am tired of all three of your “in your face, blogger” bloviating on this one topic.

guy faulkes said...

Blogger, thank you for admitting your personal well being takes precedence over the ideology you halve endorsed ever since you started this blog. This is very sad.

You are correct that everything has pretty much been said. I will leave you and MikeD to me too, me too each other's statements on this issue.

USS Rodger Young said...

Blogger,

So your thoughts on the ETJ are more important than mine? How's that? I live in the ETJ, and I don't want government bureaucrats telling me what I can and cannot do on my own land. That is un-American and communist in nature.

You not only seem to support big brother, you actually think your position in the matter is superior to everyone who disagrees. It is YOU who is in our faces.

Dan Soucek is a hero. We need to keep municipalities out of our business. Finally a politician trying to put power in the hands of people, and you don't like him! Amazing!!!

Rodger Young

USS Rodger Young said...

Dan Soucek is a HERO for putting people first. He understands that being proactive is the path forward for conservatives. He is DOING SOMETHING unlike his RINO counterparts.

Good job Dan Soucek - your a true HERO!!!

Rodger Young

Blogger said...

Rodger, you waited a long time before you claimed you were in the ETJ. I remember at the time, I had meant to ask you if your area was zoned R1 or something else.

Blogger said...

Rodger, another question. Where specifically have you felt the heavy hand of the town on your neck? One Anonymous writer when posting on the rules, sounds more like one of those who put out all the misinformation and fear when zoning was first being proposed.

Rodger, I have lived in the ETJ from the get-go. The only time I have ever been asked to do something was when I was digging a new septic system and was told to build it to the city code. Because I am practically in the town, that made total sense to me. After all, I certainly would not want to pollute my neighbors’ wells.

Anonymous said...

Blogger, According to Johny whacko / Rodger Young. If your septic polluted your neighbors wells it was their fault not yours for building it with out or to code.

Remember she tells us we need 50% less firefighters and police, no inspectors on private property.

If her shack and over grown yard catch fire and burn down the neighborhood it was not her fault but theirs.

guy faulkes said...

Blogger, I thought you had declared everything had already been said on this subject.

Being a man of my word, I will not rebut your continuing comments.

Blogger said...

touché

Anonymous said...

Blogger, you and Mike D. are hypocrites.

You two would rather give up your precious vote in order to be 'protected' by BBB, Big Brother Boone.

Do you trust government, even local government, that much?

I don't.

Anonymous said...

Septic tanks are not controlled by the city. The health department controls them with state guidelines. The county pays for it. It's the same for wells.

Mike D. said...

Anonymous,

I don't want to give up my vote. Quite the contrary... I was in the process of fighting to gain my vote, talking to and lobbying my entire neighborhood to seek annexation... that is until Jordan and Soucek sent the town into a scramble to save itself from the developers behind this legislation.

I have chosen to temporarily suspend my effort in order to give the town a chance to fight back against this attack on its very existence. Please, tell your buddies I said thanks for nothing.

Anonymous said...

I will tell them thanks for trying to get justice for the Boone ETJ.

USS Rodger Young said...

Blogger,

I have lived in the ETJ and have posted that several times now. The septic tank issue is a good reason to limit municipality power, but it is not my reason.

I have several reasons actually, so I'll go with one right now. Sign ordances. I live in sight of a major highway. I am unable to locate or build signs on my property in view of said highway. I want to install one of those fancy electric signs able to flash multiple messages. What a great way to make money for my family. Yet the municipality makes the signage rules for the ETJ. Boone City Manager told me I would not be able to put in an electric sign. Other signs are prohibited as well.

This is but one abuse of power by municipalities. We must fight all zoning laws and work to repeal existing zoning laws. Hence, this is why we need the hero Dan Soucek.

If I want to let my property grow up into weeds and briars, it's my business. Some nonymouse posters (cowards as they don't use names) indicate high weeds might cause their home to burn down. When has this occured in areas where weed grown property is allowed? A comet may be headed for you right now! What a stupid scenario. Keep your property fire free and don't build too close to the property line if your that concerned about it. Using unlikely scenarios like fire and well contamination indicate your far out view. If your well is contaminated, take the offender to court, talk to him, or take appropriate action. In other words, exercise some personal responsibility and quit hiding behind a pesky bureaucrat to do your bidding.

Dan Soucek is a hero. He works to give us personal freedom and life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Others on this site work to enslave patriotic Americans who don't need the nanny state telling them what to do.

Blogger, for the 10th time, do you support zoning laws banning your cutting trees on your own property, raising a garden, raising chickens, or hanging clothes on a clothesline? You seem to dodge these questions. Answer them.

Rodger Young

USS Rodger Young said...

Go Dan Soucek. Your a hero. Repeal all zoning laws. They are communist in nature!!!

Anonymous said...

'Fighting for its very existence!!??

Boone? Arrogant, pushy control freaky, monstrous Boone, fighting for its existence ny seeking to control other people's property!?

By seeking to extend control over even more and more property?

'Not to mention control of water.

My God, Mike D.! You have a bizarre, twisted sense of justice and absolutely NO regard for private property rights!

One thing for sure, Mike. I do not and would want you within 100 miles of my property.

Control freak, Marxist Mike D. wants to cotnrol everyone's property around him for many miles.

Anonymous said...

ETJ means extra-territorial Zoning.

Septic tank and well laws have nothing to do with zoning. Permits are issued by the health department no matter if you live in the ETJ or not. The health department runs under state guidelines. The town doesn't have anything to do with it.

Maybe I did not make it clear the first time.

Mike D. said...

You guys are so full of crap, it's pouring out of your mouths. This bill is about Phil Templeton getting revenge against Mayor Clawson because he was denied permission to construct a commercial building in the residential neighborhood where she lives. He fought the local ruling and lost, and no matter how far he took his fight (through legitimate, legal channels), he lost.

You guys can say, over and over, until you are blue in the face, that I have no way to prove this, and you are absolutely right. But I know it's true, and each and every one of you knows it's true, and thousands of people in the ETJ know it's true.

This bill is bought. It's paid for. It bears every mark of the slimiest, dirtiest, most despicable politics that exist.

This is not Guatemala, Soucek. I afforded you, offered you my support and respect. I voted for you. I defended your honor on WataugaWatch. I came to see you speak. I shook your hand. But no more. Because of your actions, I will speak out against you, campaign against you, work to make sure you do not get elected again.

You do not represent me. You do not represent the ETJ. You represent Phil Templeton and Franklin Graham. That's very sad, because you seem like a really good guy, the guy I voted for.

Each and every one of us (except Sarkazein, because he doesn't live here), knows in our heart that this is true. We dance around it and argue peripheral issues, rejecting the existence of the 800 pound gorilla in the room with us, but we all know it's true.

I have no proof, but I know. We all do.

Mike D. said...

From The High Country Press:

"“The idea of a developer has been a deception that this is being done for a specific purpose. But this is being done for the purpose of property rights,” Soucek said. “I am not working for anyone on a specific development. Creating law for a specific person is not good policy. It’s good for public welfare. That’s why I am pushing. No developer, per se, has talked to me about this issue regarding anything they would like to do.”

The idea of him working with a developer is a “deception,” Soucek said, that stems from his talks with the Templeton family, which has been involved in litigation against the Town of Boone for the past five or so years regarding the construction of a medical clinic on VFW Drive.

He continued, “[They] own a lot of land in the area, have built buildings. So they call him a developer when that is a local family with property. Sure he’s developed stuff. When people develop stuff, they think of someone who comes in, buys land and creates something. Not someone who is trying to use their land and a local person who has an investment in the community.”"

Mike D. said...

Well, I guess maybe there is some proof after all.

USS Rodger Young said...

Dan Soucek,

Your a hero. I voted for you and will do so again. I will encourage others to vote for a Patriot who understands a little about government and representing. You serve the best interests of Watauga County residents. You tried to limit the power of an over-reaching municipality. Although other RINOs kept your bill bottled up in committee, the simply fact you took action to increase freedoms of Watauga County residents won't go unnoticed by many. There are a few sour pusses yapping about needing zoning laws, but there will always be a few sheep anywhere, anytime.

The main point is you DID SOMETHING. You represented during a time of great political peril in these once great United States. You attempt to restore order and place people first. We salute you for it, and may you win many, many more terms.

A word of caution though. We, the proletariat, will watch closely your vote on everything 2nd Amendment related. Don't screw that one up like other Republicans have recently done.

At any rate, great job DAN SOUCEK.

guy faulkes said...

Blogger, I suggest you close the thread. it is very hard to let mike/d mouth his inaccurate propaganda without rebutting the statements.

After all, you indicated everything had been said.

Mike D. said...

Guy,

Posting an excerpt from an interview piece in The High Country Press, an article which discusses the subject of this thread, directly quotes the politician this thread is about, and tends to back up my assertion with an admission from that politician in his own words... this, to you, constitutes "inaccurate propaganda"?

Could it be that you are just sick and tired of hearing the reality, the truth about your defense of this debacle, Soucek's Developer Revenge Bill?

Anonymous said...

Mike D. you should know better than to believe everything the local media says.

They are mere propagandists for the status quo, the local establishment.

Mike D. said...

Anonymous,

SO you are saying that the HCP misquoted Soucek and did so intentionally? What he says in the interview is pretty straightforward and unlikely to be misconstrued.

Blogger said...

Mike D. Because I was weary of everyone saying the same thing, I voiced my irritation. Hoisting me on my own petard,Guy suggested I close this thread down. But I don't usually do that. In the meantime, I felt you needed to know that I am out here amening everything you have posted above.

Anonymous said...

Mike, the media here frequently will edit certain statements, leave out facts, and mislead their readers. That's well known.

They will not spend time on stories and investigate issues that will rub powerful people the wrong way.

And they are not in the position to put out articles that displeases public officials, the Chamber of Commerces, and politically correct and influential people.

The media reps are definitely not impartial in their reports.
You know that as well as anyone.

guy faulkes said...

No, MikeD. I will not discuss the matter any more because I am a man of my word.

It would be nice if you were the same. You promised not to post anymore either on this blog or the watch, but here you are and I am told you are also posting on the other blog. Therefore you lied on at least one of them.

Mike D. said...

Never said any such thing, Guy. What I said, on WataugaWatch, was that I did not agree with J.W.'s decision to allow posts from an individual who was releasing personal details about me (i.e. a cyberstalker), and that person was targeting my job specifically. So, I sent a lengthy post saying that political tensions and emotions were running very high, and I did not want my job to be interfered with, so I would bow out of WataugaWatch, at least for a while, though I would check in periodically, and if the climate seemed more friendly, I might jump back in at some point.

As for A Watauga Conservative, I don't believe I ever said any such thing. I just stopped posting for a while because Inquiring Mind took the friendly conversation out of this blog by bombarding every thread. Now, that seems to have been fixed.

So, while I appreciate and am flattered by your interest in me, I regret to inform you that you have no idea what you are talking about.

Tell you what, why don't you try to track down the nonexistent post you are describing? That ought to keep you entertained for a while.

Or, you could just acknowledge the fact that Soucek validated my claim, with his own words, that this has everything to do with Phil Templeton's grudge against the town, that he walked in and got used in Phil Templeton's feud.

Come on, step up and take your medicine like a man, Guy. Don't refuse to talk, now that it's all out in the open! You are better than that!

USS Rodger Young said...

Mike D,

I said the same thing a few months back about your decision to quit posting on this site. You said you were done (we beat you), and luckily we didn't hear from you for awhile. But here you are, rearing your liberal socialist head once again.

I've asked you several questions that you refuse to answer. Are they a bit too much for you Mickey D? LOL!

Now we have Guy saying the same thing. He remembers you quitting as well. Couldn't get off the sauce could you Mikey? Like a bad habit you keep returning for another butt kicking. Well, that's fine with me. I enjoy giving literary based butt kickings. Do you ever get tired of losing?

Rodger Young

Mike D. said...

Rico, your questions that I don't answer are typically either rhetorical or repetitive, and have been asked and answered many times before (like the one about black people owning guns).

Rico and Guy, as I said before... Show me the quote.

Or. if you really just can't handle the obvious beating you both are receiving, you could just give up.

USS Rodger Young said...

Mike D,

No, you have not answered my questions. If they seem repetitive, then perhaps it's because they've never been answered. The "No Guns for Negros" video is a prime example. You seem to think you answered it, but it has never been answered. A liberal's refusal to engage is indicative of the overall socialist mindset - ignore it and hope it goes away. Well, it hasn't gone away Mikey, and each post you fail to answer makes it ever more difficult for you to be taken seriously.

Rodger Young

guy f aulkes said...

MikeD, I no longer visit the Watch. I have better things to do than look for a quote to prove what I know you said and you know you said.

Mike D. said...

Very well then, Guy and Rico,

Here is the post, in its entirety, when I stopped posting on WataugaWatch:

Mike D. said...

"I think we should put up for vote whether Mike D should be allowed to work for the state"

Years ago, comment moderation was not activated on WataugaWatch. Anyone could say anything. There were a couple of people who tried to employ personal attacks that rose to the level of releasing personal information and targeting the livelihood of fellow contributors. In those days, Stumpy and BikerBard would step forward and defend me in the face of the personal attack, even though we disagreed on many political issues. I miss them both, as friends in real life and contributors to this forum. They were great guys, and I will always keep the memory of them alive.

With comment moderation activated, I am uncertain as to why such a comment would be allowed.

I understand that the current political landscape is highly charged, and the Tea Party and Occupy movements are both working to turn us against each other. I do find it ironic that this Anonymous contributor would, in successive sentences, decry people for daring to deprive individuals of their rights to live free of oppression, then immediately threaten to deprive another contributor of his right to have a job, simply because he dares voice his opposing viewpoint publicly (keep in mind that I openly declare my opposition to the proposed amendment).

So, as much as I have appreciated J.W. for allowing my voice, my participation, in this forum, I feel that my continued participation is unwelcome and unwise.

I have enjoyed the company of all of you, and many of you have made me feel welcome, even feeling like friends I have never had the pleasure to meet in person, and I invite you to come shake my hand if you know who I am and you see me somewhere.

If our society calms down a bit, I will certainly come back, and I will absolutely drop in to enjoy reading what you all write, but I feel I should bow out for a while. These are tough times, and I really can't afford to lose opportunities because someone feels that silencing my voice should include threatening my livelihood.

Salaam, friends.

2:21 PM, December 2nd, 2011



Just as I described it. Now please stop questioning my honesty with your own dishonesty. It makes you look like fools.

Mike D. said...

"Refrain from making false statements about any one." - from the rules of this site

Now that I have proven that you are wrong, by posting a verifiable quote which validates that I am telling the truth and you are being dishonest, Guy and Rico, will you promise, in front of witnesses, to refrain from breaking the site rules again?

Mike D. said...

And Rico,

Now, in front of witnesses, hear my definitive answer to your repetitive question about gun rights, and I trust that you will no longer claim that I have not answered your question:

Our Constitution grants rights to Americans. Among those rights is the right to bear arms, a right that I support with deep conviction (I do not even agree with the assault rifle ban).

Black Americans, since you insist on discussing the skin color difference of some people, are every bit my equals in my eyes, both in terms of their value as human beings and in terms of their rights to share all the same Constitutional freedoms and protections as white Americans or any other group you choose to differentiate.

So yes, I unequivocally support black Americans' right to bear arms, every bit as much as I support your right and mine.

Does this permanently answer your question? Do you accept that your question has been answered so you cannot claim ever again that I have not answered this question?

Sarkazein said...

MikeD wrote- "Tea Party and Occupy movements are both working to turn us against each other."


How you could draw a comparison between the two is ridiculous. Doesn't matter when you did it.

Mike D. said...

Sark,

Sometimes reaching your audience requires making small concessions and appealing to what is real in their lives. A math teacher who teaches only the way that he understands his subject material will only have success with students whose minds work exactly as his does. I do not expect you to understand this, so let me put it a different way. If you are at the annual community theater production of The Nutcracker Suite, surrounded by the little kids in the audience who participate in the various scenes, hopefully your language will be different than the language you use when you are out on a boat, fishing with a few buddies.

And your criticism has absolutely nothing to do with Rico and Guy's dishonesty in this regard. They have repeatedly accused me of something which is demonstrably false, and I have shown it in no uncertain terms. Your attempt to draw attention away from this is typical of your standard modus operandi. You cannot hold an honest discussion or debate, so you choose to derail, obfuscate, and throw up smokescreens. It's why I frequently ignore your posts. You render yourself little more than an inconsequential annoyance, a troll.

Sarkazein said...

MikeD-It is of special interest to me, watching liberals trying to make comparisons. They can't do it.. they just can't do it.

One among many said...

Mike D
You are a hypocrite. You whine when others "make false statements" about you all the while bearing false witness about the Templetons. I am close to this family and know for a fact that they have no business interest in this current battle. Jeff lives in the ETJ and therefore can and should have an opinion as should the others living under the thumb of the town of Boone without the luxury of voting.

You should refrain from pulling the speck from your neighbors eye and concentrate on pulling the pole out of your own.

Mike D. said...

Sark,

You can't make a factual argument, can you?

My argument is loaded with facts, specific, verifiable facts and direct quotes.

All you can do is snipe from the fringes and try to obscure the issue with peripheral, unrelated fluff.

Mike D. said...

One among many,

I don't think so. Except for quoting Soucek's own admission, I have qualified my suggestions that Soucek's Developer Revenge Bill is Phil Templeton's attempt at revenge against the Town of Boone by repeatedly stating that this is not fact, but my belief.

You think I'm lying that this is my belief? How can you know that? The only way you have of knowing what I believe is when I share it with you, and after hearing Soucek's admission, my belief is only strengthened.

I have been praised, on liberal and conservative blogs alike, frequently by people who do not agree with me, for backing up my claims with sound logic and factually verifiable evidence.

When it's my belief, I state it as such. When evidence arises which strengthens my argument, I share it. How is this the mark of a hypocrite?

guy faulkes said...

MikeD, the liberal left has indeed praised you on many issues. Occasionally conservatives such as myself have defended your right to an opinion. And this proves what?

"So, as much as I have appreciated J.W. for allowing my voice, my participation, in this forum, I feel that my continued participation is unwelcome and unwise. ,,,,
If our society calms down a bit, I will certainly come back, and I will absolutely drop in to enjoy reading what you all write, but I feel I should bow out for a while."

As nothing int he timber of the discussions has changed, thank you for posting proof that you are a liar.

Sarkazein said...

MikeD- Please go back to ignoring my comments/observations/opinions. You didn't appear so angry and desperate then.

Mike D. said...

How would you know that, Guy? You just said "MikeD, I no longer visit the Watch".

No, you are looking for a way to make it something other than what it is, but the way I described it is exactly the way it is.

Let me ask you a question. What is it about my participation here that has you guys trying to push me out? Blogger and NewGuy don't seem to have any problem with me, so SArk, Guy, and Rico, why do you, and what gives you the right to make the decision of what to do on someone else's blog?

One of many said...

Oh Mike D,
You are a one sided individual aren't you. Whether or not it is factual or "your belief" you are still spreading innuendo just like the Williamson's. And then you ave the unmitigated Gaul to whine when someone does it to you. Then if you do find facts you base them on what you read form the Williamson machine rag....the Watauga democrat aptly named I might say.

The Williamson's have been outed as using fear tactics, their own version of the truth and innuendo to slant every piece of information that is dispensed in this town. Steve Franks article has come closest to the truth. I am tired of all the misinformation being spread by the likes of you and the Williamson's.

Sarkazein said...

MikeD- As I have written many times before, being in the middle-of-the-road is the most precarious. Middle-of-the roaders appear to be searching for direction.

guy faulkes said...

Because, MikeD after your post I went to the Watch and looked. I always try to have the facts to back up my posts. Sometimes this involves reading something distasteful that I would not have otherwise done.

No one is trying to push you out. The point is that nothing you say can be trusted as you are a proven liar.

USS Rodger Young said...

Mike D,

We want you here. You are one of the few liberals who fights! The rest post some drivel and run away. At least you attempt to fight back at times.

Your post on gun rights is encouraging. You did not answer what you think of "No Guns for Negros", but I'll give you a pass on that one.

As for your contention that you never said you were quiting this site, I remember you saying it. I certainly won't waste time going back into archives to prove it in writing - I have a company to run, but my memory rarely fails me. You said it, Guy backed it up, and it's now in stone.

I don't really care if you said you would never post here again. If you did say it and now your posting, I really don't care. Like I said, it's good to have someone who can provide a modicum of an arguement.

Also, one other thing, GO DAN SOUCEK!!!!!!

Mike D. said...

One of many,

"You are a one sided individual aren't you."

Well, I'm not sure who (besides a schizophrenic) is not one-sided.

"you are still spreading innuendo"

I am stating my opinions, just like you and everyone else on this blog and on every blog. Is that not how blogs work?

"Then if you do find facts you base them on what you read form the Williamson machine rag....the Watauga democrat".

The article I read was in the High Country Press, not the Watauga Democrat.

"the Williamson's", "The Williamson's", "the Williamson's"

The Williamson's what? And I thought there were two of them. "Williamson's" is singular possessive. You could say something like "Williamson's dog peed in my yard again", provided that there was one old codger called "Williamson" who lived next door and had a dog. Now, if it were a couple, you might say something like "The Williamsons peed in my yard last night", or if were something that belonged to the Williamsons, you might say "The Williamsons' dog peed in my yard".

Shall we go over this again? "Williamson" is singular. "Williamson's" is singular possessive. "Williamsons" is plural. "Williamsons'" is plural possessive.

Class dismissed. :-)

Mike D. said...

"Words play an enormous part in our lives and are therefore deserving of the closest study." —Aldous Huxley

guy faulkes said...

MikeD, are you implying you have never made a grammatically incorrect post or a mistake in typing one? I guess we need to start calling you Rock Chucker Mike as you appear willing to cast the first stone.

There is a large difference in a constructive criticism or correction and the post yu just made.

Mike D. said...

Guy,

I may have done this person a huge favor. This individual would be disqualified from almost any job opening which required office work or professional communication if such a fundamental writing error were made in a cover letter or resume.

I do it because I care, about this individual and about the English language.

Sarkazein said...

Mike D. said...
Guy,

"I may have done this person a huge favor."

But you didn't.

Mike D. said...

How can you know, Sark? Is it your life partner?

guy faulkes said...

No, MikeD, all you did was provide further proof that you are an elitist liberal.

Mike D. said...

You guys like to assign labels to people, to put them in neat little boxes so you can feel more comfortable and not have to address their arguments, don't you?

guy faulkes said...

MikeD, once again, you are assigning your attributes to others. Do you have nothing of substance to say?

One among many said...

Mike D
Perfect play from the Liberal handbook. Bring out the personal faults of your opponent the change focus off the issue and skirt around the facts which don't matter anyway.

Aren't you the good little progressive soldier. Bless your heart.

Mike D. said...

It's been a little while since you guys discussed any substance at all. Could it be that once Soucek's statements emerged, all you had left was name calling?

And to you, "One among many", you're welcome.

guy faulkes said...

What name did I call you, MIkeD? I merely stated you accused others of the tactics you use yourself.

Your self loathing must be gigantic.

Mike D. said...

Guy,

"What name did I call you, MIkeD?"

You called me:

"elitist liberal", "Rock Chucker", "proven liar"... and that's just in this thread.

guy faulkes said...

I guess the thought that you could understand the irony of Rock Chucker when the obvious point was that you live in a glass house where you like to throw stones was overly optimistic.

You are an elitist liberal and a proven liar, so these are not derogatory labels, but are statements of truth, Mike D.

Mike D. said...

Guy,

You asked what name you called me. I gave you three, in this thread alone.

Now that Soucek has admitted to Phil's influence over his policy making, the only way you have left to defend Soucek's Developer Revenge Bill is to change the subject.

Weak.

guy faulkes said...

I do not care if Phil, whoever Phil is, influenced Soucek. I care if I influenced him and I think I did as he supported my beliefs.

What is your point about my calling you things that you certainly are such as a proven liar (from your own posts) and an elitist liberal (which you also have proven by your posts)? What exactly would you like to be called?

This should be amusing.

I have been responding to your posts. This does not constitute changing the subject.

Mike D. said...

Why is it that even with a strong Republican majority in the state legislature and no veto available, Soucek could not get his Developer Revenge Bill passed? You may think you had a lot of influence, but I'd wager that Blogger and I may have had much more, Guy.

One among many said...

Mickey D

Please give citations for when and where Soucek admitted Phil influenced his policy making.

Mike D. said...

One of many,

"“The idea of a developer has been a deception that this is being done for a specific purpose. But this is being done for the purpose of property rights,” Soucek said. “I am not working for anyone on a specific development. Creating law for a specific person is not good policy. It’s good for public welfare. That’s why I am pushing. No developer, per se, has talked to me about this issue regarding anything they would like to do.”

The idea of him working with a developer is a “deception,” Soucek said, that stems from his talks with the Templeton family, which has been involved in litigation against the Town of Boone for the past five or so years regarding the construction of a medical clinic on VFW Drive.

He continued, “[They] own a lot of land in the area, have built buildings. So they call him a developer when that is a local family with property. Sure he’s developed stuff. When people develop stuff, they think of someone who comes in, buys land and creates something. Not someone who is trying to use their land and a local person who has an investment in the community.”" - from an interview in the High Country Press

It doesn't get much clearer than that.

guy faulkes said...

So, mikeD is against someone advocating for his personal well being just as MikeD does himself.

MIke, can you say hypocrite? All you have to do is look in the mirror to see one.

guy faulkes said...

"I'd wager that Blogger and I may have had much more, Guy."

I do not know which had the most influence, Blogger and MikeD, or the over quarter million dollars spent on pro ETJ lobbyists by the Town of Boone.

One of many said...

So Mike...
There are no other people that qualify as developers in Boone. Only the Templetons?

Answer this....what development has mr Templeton done that has 1). Been an eyesore in the community. 2). Not provided much needed jobs to many of our neighbors?

How long have YOU lived in this community and what contributions can you say you have made?

Mike D. said...

One of many,

Honestly, your questions seem irrelevant and peripheral to me. This is not about eyesores and contributions. This is about the friendly feel of this community. This is a friendly, welcoming place. Mr. Templeton's attitude toward the town is antagonistic. I respect his right to develop land and to make a very healthy living here, and I do not wish to hinder his freedom to do so. But as much as I have no say in who is elected to write local town ordinances, I have even less of a vote in shaping legislation that Mr. Templeton and Mr. Soucek may have collaborated on. I don't appreciate that Soucek, who seemed like a really nice guy at first, appears to have been made into little more than a tool for Franklin Graham and Mr. Templeton. I don't appreciate that he seems to have aligned himself with a force which, in my opinion, is aggressive toward the townspeople, doesn't seem to care about preserving the friendly feel of the town, and seeks to hurt those who dare question his methods.

1) Do you think the guy who owns the most stuff should get to decide the rules?

2) Or do you think that all people are equal and should have an equal say?

If you identify more with the first statement, then you are the reason the United States declared independence from England.

If you identify more with the second statement, then you are a true American.

Anonymous said...

Sure all men are equal and should have an equal say. The lack of this is one of the major problems with Boone's ETJ. People living in this area can't vote for the people that make the laws in the ETJ or run for office. They have to fight the people that spend a quarter million dollars on lobbyists to maintain their power while these crooks talk bad about other people who are trying to get some justice.

Mike D. said...

Anonymous,

There should be two seats added to the town council, seats that only ETJ residents can vote on, and ETJ residents ought to have an equal vote for mayor. That would satisfy me.

One of many said...

Mike

My point that you still seem thick on is that you place blame on the wrong individuals. Mr Templeton is antagonistic toward the town officials because he played by their rules and they changed the rules mid stream to satisfy the whim of the mayor.

Would you rather see a town of old buildings ie the old hotels on blowing rock road or see revitalized areas? This will not happen with the ridiculous rules from the town of Boone.

Boone was a very friendly place to grow up until people came here and thought we country bumpkins could not possibly know what we were doing and so needed their elite guidance and control.

Mike D. said...

One of many,

If it's possible to wholeheartedly agree partially, then I do. There has clearly been disrespect on the part of newcomers to this area. Then again, none of us is truly a native here, right?

But like it or not, this is a growing college town. That means liberal professors, higher education types with superiority complexes, students who vote, pot smoking, artsy-fartsy street fairs, coffee shops and the lot.

The thing is, that is exactly the crowd that Mr. Templeton has built his fortune upon. These are the constituents which Mr. Soucek represents.

Affect change? Sure! Of course! Make it happen! But make it positive!

I don't consider this my town as I've only been here 13 years, but that doesn't mean I don't have the ability to recognize a true 'Scrooge'.

I don't want Mr. Templeton's money or land. What I want is for him to have respect for those who sign his paychecks, and right now, that's not what's happening. If you or I gets hurt in the wake of what I believe is his crusade to make the town pay, I really don't think he gives a damn.

You may give him that freedom to treat you like a rag, but I choose to use my freedom of expression to oppose what I perceive as his waging of a blood feud in our town.

I like it here. That's why I stayed. You ask about an eyesore? The eyesore is Mr. Templeton's disregard for those who provide him his living.

The eyesore is this Developer Revenge Bill Soucek almost pushed through a heavily Republican legislature.

Anonymous said...

The "eyesore" is MikeD trying to rule his neighbors for his own benefit and accusing Templeton of paying of officials that represent the ideas of his neighbors. The town paid a quarter of million dollars to influence politicians, but he doesn't complain about that.