This blog originally founded by Blogger who holds a theological degree and a doctorate in Counseling Psychology. Taught Psychology for 32 years and is now Professor Emeritus. Is a board-certified psychologist and was awarded the Lifetime Achievement Award in his profession. Ministered as a chaplain, and pastored Baptist and Episcopal churches. Publications cover the integration of psychology and theology. Served in the Army, the Merchant Marines and the Peace Corps.

Sunday, July 29, 2012

Vent Page "L"....the First Of The Fabulous Fifties!

50 Vent pages! Hard to believe, it seems like we just started doing them? At any rate, 50 is the number and is also the first year of a great decade in America. NASCAR starting to take hold! Eddie Arnold, Frankie Laine, Hank Williams, Patti Page on the juke box! Little Richard, Chuck Berry, Elvis, Marylyn, Jerry Lee Lewis, Fats Domino,  James Dean, Marlon Brando, ....What a decade Huh?

Whenever the number of posts on a vent page make it cumbersome to navigate, a new vent page is started. This is number FIFTY  in our series!

VENT PAGES are handy for posting of off-topic posts, rants, raves, rages, etc which might not be appropriate on other threads where adults are having serious discussions. Childish rant? Need to call another poster a name?Just feel like spouting off? Or even if you have something to say and there doesn't seem to be any other logical place to say it....THIS PAGE IS FOR YOU!


Some of the top songs of 1950 were Tennessee Waltz, (Patti Page) Wild Goose (Frankie Laine) , Mona Lisa (Nat King Cole), Chattanooga Shoe Shine (Red Foley) and Rudolph The Red Nosed Reindeer by Gene Autry! '50 ...a great start to a fun decade and a good start for a new Vent Page!
My favorite car of 1950 is this Oldsmobile Coupe...this one is the Rocket 88 but the 76 was basically the same car with a little less trim! Second year for the Rocket 88 engine, this car was a favorite of Hot Rodders in the late fifties.

Olds was pretty dominant in NASCAR that year as well...thanks in large part to Curtis Turner and Fireball Roberts. Nascar was also beginning to draw the attention of auto manufacturers...in particular NASH motors who were among the first to see the publicity potential of  Winning On Sunday, Selling On Monday! Unfortunately, although they were the first manufacturer to actively participate in NASCAR, they were never very successful (Unless you count the success of the HUDSON HORNET - Hudson and Nash merged in 1954 and formed American Motors).

29 comments:

NewGuy said...

Vent Page "L" puts me in mind of the High School team called the "Flying L's"

Anyone familiar with them?

USS Rodger Young said...

Any liberal sheep wanna take a shot at the title tonight?

USS Rodger Young said...

How is it, with 8.1% unemployment in the United States, that criminals (illegal aliens)find work? And why do we allow this? Something is wrong with a country to give citizens unemployment benefits when crimials (illegal aliens) are gainfully employeed in jobs Americans once did.

One reason unemployment keeps getting extended is because hussein obama knows he would have a big problem on his well manicured hands if Americans were denied those benefits. In other words, Americans would demand expulsion of illegal aliens from jobs Americans are willing to do.

Anyone ever think of this or is it just me all the time?

matt said...

Rodger young, a mayor of a city in Alabama was being interviewed on NPR radio the other day and they were discussing this.

He said that they have tried several things to get rid of illegals working on farms and other labor intensive jobs, and once the illegals leave the jobs sit empty! Even with high unemployment, it is sad that some would rather sit on their ass than do a job that requires a little work. This mayor that was interviewed pretty much said that they had to allow illegals back into the labor force because farmers could not find help otherwise.

I agree that in some aspects the illegal situation is hurting Americans...but I also wonder how much we are hurting ourselves by just being too damn lazy anymore.

Sarkazein said...

Matt- Hunger is a great motivator. They will work if they have to... except those ruined by "The Great Society".

USS Rodger Young said...

Matt,

What the mayor didn't tell you is the reason the jobs sit empty. It is because all those criminals (illegal aliens) destroyed the living wage. American citizens used to do those very same jobs for a wage they could make a living at. Corporate farmers, greedy in nature, found they could pay illegal aliens less than half of what they payed Americans. With the illegal aliens gone, do you think the farmers want to cut their profit margins just to help fellow Americans?

How come you don't say corporate America is greedy instead of saying Americans are lazy? I thought that was the liberal way of things today. Of course Americans don't want to work for the same wages as criminals (illegal aliens) do. To think otherwise is elementary. Those farmers will eventually have to pay a living wage if the criminals (illegal aliens) are kept out. Also, if illegal aliens are made US Citizens, do you really expect they will continue to work for slave wages?

Let's put this into perspective. Take a contractor for instance. The contractor builds a home for you and makes a profit. Easy concept. Before the criminal (illegal alien) invasion, carpenters in Ashboro, NC were making $30 dollars an hour. By 2006, the rate for carpenters was $15 dollars an hour. This was due to the large influx of low skilled illegal aliens.

Now the contractor is thinking he can double his profits by hiring the illegal alien carpenter. So he does it. Now if all those criminals (illegal aliens) were deported back to their home country cesspools, and the contractor had to start paying $30 dollars per hour again, he would still make profit, only not as much.

Here's the fallacy, and don't get lost on this important point. WHEN THE CONTRACTOR SWITCHED TO CRIMINAL (ILLEGAL ALIEN) LABOR, DID HE PASS THAT $15 DOLLAR PER HOUR SAVINGS ON TO YOU, THE CONSUMER, OR DID HE POCKET IT? Ask yourself that Matt and see what kind of an answer you come up with.

Americans will pay only so much for a house, a christmas tree, or a head of lettuce. The greedy business owners, who once hired Americans, will see their profits cut for sure if lazy Americans take back those jobs. But the price increase that liberal alarmists predict won't be as preciptious as you might think. The market will correct itself. That's the joy of capitalism.

Yes, Americans are lazy these days, no doubt. But I don't expect an American to work for the same wage as a disease ridden, non tax paying, filthy, uneducated criminal (illegal alien). Do you?

USS Rodger Young

Sarkazein said...

Fannie-mae also had a lot to do with the construction labor takeover by illegals. Because of the false economy bubble created by Fannie's funny money, the demand for houses sky rocketed. Builders had to meet the demand and fill in with illegals in order to keep up with the false demand. This brought in more illegals and they eventually (it wasn't overnight) aced out the real construction trades because of the false economy's wage scale. If Fannie hadn't flooded the market with funny money, there would have been less demand for "fill-in illegal alien labor".

Sarkazein said...

I would venture to say, builders made a higher percentage profit (net) pre-illegal alien. And they built a much higher quality product.
The problems Barney Frank's Fannie aka the Democrat Party have caused have been deep and perhaps permanent.

guy faulkes said...

My daughter tells me there is a statement making the rounds on Facebook that gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by telling sober people they cannot own cars. This is a very good analogy.

guy faulkes said...

If only there was someone to support for President.

I am afraid the conversation with our future selves will be no better than this no matter who is elected.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbX5EwSp_W8&feature=player_embedded#

Sarkazein said...

Duh

guy faulkes said...

The person that sent me this link says next will be the man child Messiah declaring martial law.

http://cowboybyte.com/10636/dhs-stocks-up-on-riot-gear-in-anticipation-of-election-related-civil-unrest/

matt said...

Roger Young,

I just want to get this on the record.

You believe the problem is that corporations and farmers are greedy? And then you call me a liberal for NOT saying that?

Is this really the same roger young? Did you switch parties on me?

You say: " I don't expect an American to work for the same wage as a disease ridden, non tax paying, filthy, uneducated criminal (illegal alien). Do you?"

I'm curious...As a "limited government tea party republican" what are your thoughts on the U.S's minimum wage policy?

Should it be there? Should the government be able to force "greedy" corporations to pay their workers a certain amount?


Where do the majority of people shop for your groceries in Boone? Walmart? Food Lion? Or a place like Bare Essentials/Earthfare/Farmer's market where everything will be sustainably harvested/organic from family farms etc etc, but be more expensive?

American's don't care who picks their food. We will gladly support companies hiring illegal immigrants every day if it means we can save $1 on food.

I have had several minimum wage jobs, (and one below minimum wage, because I decided to work for a wage similar to those "disease ridden, non tax paying, filthy, uneducated criminal illegal aliens" instead of not have a job)....So yes, I would expect that if American's were ultimately forced to either 1) Be homeless and starve or 2) Actually work; that they would work.

I didn't think we would disagree here, but I guess your tea party's viewpoint has changed once again. I can't keep all these changes straight...Ok, so the tea party hates greedy business now and does not value hard work because it is something that "filthy immigrants" do....gotcha.

guy faulkes said...

An ACORN Whistle Blower

Part 1:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/3CmkbShVqNA?feature=player_embedded

Part 2:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/gy6odnqyLeU?feature=player_embedded

guy faulkes said...

Matt, the problem with those that hire illegal aliens is not just that these employers exploit them and the rest of us with their (illegal because of the conspiracy to violate immigration law)greed, but that they are the reason these criminals are here in the first place. There should be a $10,000.00 fine and a mandatory 10 year prison sentence for every illegal alien hired by an employer. This would immediately stop the illegal alien problem.

Sarkazein said...

It looks like the government already knows of Mitt's victory in the 2012 election. Homeland security is gearing up for civil unrest and the US Army is purchasing riot gear.

USS Rodger Young said...

Matt,

No, YOU believe they are greedy, which is why I began the liberal bashing with: "How come you don't say corporate America is greedy instead of saying Americans are lazy? I thought that was the liberal way of things today."

Answer the question Matt. Or is it too inconvienient?

Another question you need to answer:

"Also, if illegal aliens are made US Citizens, do you really expect they will continue to work for slave wages?"

And the crux of the post which you convienently ignored:

"Here's the fallacy, and don't get lost on this important point. WHEN THE CONTRACTOR SWITCHED TO CRIMINAL (ILLEGAL ALIEN) LABOR, DID HE PASS THAT $15 DOLLAR PER HOUR SAVINGS ON TO YOU, THE CONSUMER, OR DID HE POCKET IT? Ask yourself that Matt and see what kind of an answer you come up with."

Why would you ignore this central theme? You're worried about whether or not I think corporate farmers are greedy and totally miss the crux of the post. Typical liberal socialist sheep. Offline and bloviate to get out of the tough stuff. That's all right, IT'S ON RECORD!! LOL!!

Then the last question you failed to address:

"Yes, Americans are lazy these days, no doubt. But I don't expect an American to work for the same wage as a disease ridden, non tax paying, filthy, uneducated criminal (illegal alien). Do you?"

Just wanted to get this on record that you choose illegal aliens over American citizens by choosing corporate profits over a living wage that was once enjoyed by Americans.

You must have a membership at Chetola or the Blowing Rock Country Club. Which is it? LOL!!!

USS Rodger Young

matt said...

Rodger Rico, I'll try again.

First question. I am not a liberal, so I don't know. I do think the problem mostly has to do with lazy Americans. If Americans have a problem with the company, they can choose not to buy its products.

Second question. If the aliens that become citizens don't want to work for whatever amount of pay is offered, they should not work. Just like any one of us. I don't apply to a job paying $8 an hour, because I can get more elsewhere. If the "greedy farmer" won't offer a reasonable pay, don't work for him. If a person is in a situation where they just really need to work and $5an hour is all they can get and they want to work...more power to them.

Third question. I believe the contractor pockets a good chunk of the 15$. Maybe lowers his prices depending on competition.

Last question I did directly answer in my post above. I do expect people to work.

Johnny, I was not ignoring the central theme. If you believe the problem is greedy corporations, how do you plan on fixing that? Raising the minimum wage? Regulate profit margins?

USS Rodger Young said...

Matt/shep heard said:

"If Americans have a problem with the company, they can choose not to buy its products."

Really! So you overlook the fact said companies use illegal aliens to provide that product? This in turn means you support illegal aliens lowering the living wage that Americans once enjoyed which in turn means you choose illegal aliens over American citizens. You say you're not a liberals, but thoughts like this seal the deal my liberal friend. With 8% unemployment you suddenly believe in "the market". Amazing turnaround.

It gets even better. You go on to say:

"If the aliens that become citizens don't want to work for whatever amount of pay is offered, they should not work"

If so then who will do the work when criminals (illegal aliens) are naturalized or given amnesty. You have two choices here you liberal sheep. You can allow more illegal aliens to come in and take these jobs or allow captialism to take place at which time said jobs will once again pay a living wage. The difference between you and me is I want the market correction to take place NOW. Not AFTER legalizing the disease ridden criminals (illegal aliens). You see, I'm on the side of the "lazy" Americans AND the "greedy" corporations. Both can win which means illegal aliens must lose via deportation.

Then you agree by saying: "Third question. I believe the contractor pockets a good chunk of the 15$"

Darn right he pockets it. So do away with criminals (illegal aiens), and the contractor must again pay a US citizen $30 per hour. Contractor still makes a profit and a US citizen isn't on the government dole. We agree on this, and I'm glad.

Matt, I don't think the problem is greedy corporations. I think the problem rests with the illegal aliens. Take them out of the equation entirely, then the problem goes away. Greedy corporations don't make as much money, Americans start working again, and our national identity and pride increase. Plus we aren't treated to spanish speaking illegal aliens proudly flying the Mexican flag from their rear view mirror. No wage adjustments necessary. No profit margin regulation either. Without illegal aliens, the market corrects itself. That's the joy of capitalism. We don't NEED to adjust anything.

Again, you will only pay so much for a Christmas Tree. If the price climbs too high, then Christmas Trees won't sell. The grower will have to adjust accordingly. 20 years ago, Christmas Tree growers didn't use illegal aliens and they still made a profit. If there were no illegal aliens around today, due to deportation, the Christmas Tree grower would still make money, just not as much.

guy faulkes said...

Mtt, your answer to the second question would seem to me to make Rodger's point. As long as the employer can hire an illegal alien for less money, then the wage will never reach the value that would have been set by the free market.

It does not matter how many citizens will not work for this wage, because the amount the alien will take keeps it artificially low. It is hard for a citizen to provide for his family on the same money that 14 illegal aliens that are living in a two bedroom house and sending most of their money back to another country can live on.

I cannot answer for Rodger, but, in my opinion, the problem would be fixed by the free market if immigration laws were enforced.

As I tried to indicate before those that hire illegal aliens are criminal conspirators. Do you agree?

matt said...

Guy, I do agree with your idea for punishment for people who hire illegal immigrants. I think that would do wonders.

Guy, do you think think you could have a free market in a country with no minimum wage?

guy faulkes said...

Matt, yes, assuming the government stops over regulating business. As a matter of fact, a minimum wage holds wages down because people think tat is the amount for which they can expect to be paid. They do not think they can better themselves by looking for different kinds of work.

I know this to be true from the experiences of some of my family members. It is an educational problem and a problem of what people have been conditioned to expect.

As a matter of fact it would seem to be impossible to have a free market with a minimum wage as an artificial restriction, just as with having exploited illegal aliens affecting the system. Both tend to keep wages low, not raise them because all a minimum sage does is set the level of inflation because people think that amount is all they can get. For instance the agribusiness would have to pay more or go out of business without the labor of illegal aliens.

matt said...

Rico and Guy,

On my answer from the second question.

What stops the contractor from still paying $15 an hour after the "disease ridden criminals" leave?

You say "the contractor must again pay a US citizen $30 per hour."

I don't understand what makes this happen. American's won't work for $15 an hour, but they will for $30?

How are you going to stop people willing to work for less than someone else?



You say: "Really! So you overlook the fact said companies use illegal aliens to provide that product?"

How is boycotting a company that use illegal imigrants, pro-illegal imigrants?



I'm off on vacation for the next 10 days...Don't worry Rico.

Johnny Rico said...

The dolt for Watauga Watch made the mistake of posting thread regarding GRNC being a "bully" organization. The blog administrator for that site really made himself look bad by doing this. His thread is the single most replied to thread on that moronic site. This is with the idiot censoring people like me!!!

Just about all the other meaningless threads on his site have NO COMMENTS. What a loser. This is what censorship gets you!!

Watauga Watch is full of welfare sucking, illegal alien loving LOSERS. You need conservatives to come over and comment to have any comments!! LOL!! Funny stuff. Typical liberals!!!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Shine the name, shine the name, Rodger Young........

Johnny Rico said...

Yes, it's good to be back folks. Being aboard a starship blasting bugs millions of light years away on a poisonous planet not capable of being colonized by humans, gets kind of old sometimes. But the ole Rodger Young is a 2nd home to me so that's a good thing. Will be shoving off again in the near future, but I'm here and ready to addle a few bugs, the liberal kind, right here at home base. Gosh, where should I start........

Johnny Rico

Sam Bagliocci

guy faulkes said...

What stops the contractor from still paying $15 an hour after the "disease ridden criminals" leave?

Supply and demand which is one reason the price dropped.

How are you going to stop people willing to work for less than someone else?

By deporting the illegal aliens that do this and drive the price down AND, hopefully, punishing those that conspire to beak immigration laws be hiring them.

How is boycotting a company that use illegal imigrants, pro-illegal imigrants?

The quote you gave for this question is not relative to the question. What did you mean?

Anonymous said...

Probably because they disapprove of SPAMMERS trying to use their site to promote yours.

Sarkazein said...

THIS isn't what we had in mind

Sarkazein said...

Obama's numbers are UP