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Thursday, August 30, 2012

Catholic Push Back on Attack on First Amendment

Thanks  for posting the Catholic film. Assault on 1st Amendement The film is powerful. And, as most church leaders are now aware, the whole issue is no longer about Catholics and contraception. It is about the government’s attack on the First Amendment. Now all people of faith are realizing what Benjamin Franklin pronounced: “"We must, indeed, all hang together, or most assuredly we shall all hang separately."

16 comments:

ITCM said...

"Forcing the church to buy insurance that goes against her teachings is a violation of religious freedom. When the government tampers with a freedom so fundamental, one shudders to think what lies ahead." - Cardinal Dolan

"Forcing LGBT people to be classified as lesser citizens goes against the Declaration of Independence and is a violation of American freedom. When the religious right tampers with a freedom so fundamental, one shudders to think what lies ahead." - ITCM

In all fairness, this video was horrifying and extreme. So, if you don't vote conservative, you'd better be prepared to burn in the fire for "eternity". Apparently, you are supposed to vote to make these important personal decisions about marriage and abortion for everyone else who doesn't agree with you. Yes, it must feel very godlike to have control over other people's choices.

guy faulkes said...

So, if you don't vote conservative, you'd better be prepared to burn in the fire for "eternity"

That is not what the video said. It called for Catholics to support their point of view just as you are doing with gay people.

Apparently, you are supposed to vote to make these important personal decisions about marriage and abortion for everyone else who doesn't agree with you

Gay marriage is a non issue as far as I am concerned because the contracts do the same thing. If you are upset at tax codes, etc. change them, but a civil union and a marriage are both contracts that carry equal weight as to the union of two people.

Abortion is the murder of an unborn child unless the mother's life is in danger. At that point it becomes justifiable homicide, but it is still homicide. You apparently feel you have the "right" to choose to murder an innocent baby. I do not think you do.

Currently the law is on your side. Maybe we can change that, yes by voting.

Opoib said...

Guy Faulkes, can you please quote for me the legal statute in NC or any other state where abortion is listed as the crime "justifiable Homicide"?

"Abortion is the murder of an unborn child unless the mother's life is in danger. At that point it becomes justifiable homicide, but it is still homicide."

Opoib

matt said...

I do agree that forcing the catholic church to pay for birth control is a violation of rights.

I do not understand how legislating your religious morals on others is all of a sudden somehow not a violation of their rights.

I can not force a Catholic to pay for birth control because it goes against their religious views and is protected by the first amendment, fine.

But a Catholic can tell me that I can not get married or have an abortion? What if i start a religion that says abortion and gay marriage is ok? Is it all of a sudden then acceptable?

guy faulkes said...

The Catholics wee not the only people that told you to use another type of contract than marriage,(such as a civil union), Matt. The vote on Amendment One was not limited to Catholics. Everyone had their say on this non issue and the people decided. I guess those of you that opposed it will have to live with it until it is changed, just as I have to live with the murder of unborn babies.

Opoib/LPOV, self defense is justifiable homicide. This would be the case if the baby was endangering the mother's life. I would have thought even you would have been able to figure this out.

As I said to Matt, I have to live with the murder of the unborn until we can change the practice legally. That day is approaching.

Opoib said...

Guy Faulkes, So what you say then is not accurate. Abortion is not a legally defined "justifiable Homicide" that's your opinion not the law am I correct ?

I have been looking up the NC statutes for "Justifiable Homicide" they almost all have to do with defending ones self from an attacker.

Please if I am wrong send me a link here or by clicking on my name to where abortion is listed as a "Justifiable Homicde".

Even in the cases where I found "Justifiable Homicide" listed in NC there was at least a police inquiry.

I do not see any inquiries at the scene of an abortion. Again correct me where I am wrong.

guy faulkes said...

Opiob/lPOV, how many times do i have to tell you abortion is currently the law of the land. This is what we are trying to change.

You do not even know what the debate is.

What a dolt.

Opoib said...

Guy Faulkes, so you are you admitting that calling abortion "justifiable homicide" is just your opinion not a crime in NC ?

guy faulkes said...

Opiob/LPOV, of course it is my opinion, you dolt. How many times have I said, on many threads, that currently legislation is on your side and and that I am trying to change it? Are you really this ignorant or are you being deliberately obtuse?

Do you think the murder of unborn babies should be treated the same as murdering older people and as you appear to be against the mother who's life is in danger being able to claim justifiable homicide do you wish to stop abortion in all cases?

However, in NC causing the death of an unborn child can result in a murder charge, but not if the death was committed as an abortion. An interesting paradox, isn't it?

Opoib said...

Guy Faules, this is not paradox to me at all.

"However, in NC causing the death of an unborn child can result in a murder charge, but not if the death was committed as an abortion. An interesting paradox, isn't it?"

An abortion is not a murder legally in NC or morally to me. If someone kills a baby by other means then we have laws for that. So what is the paradox?

I see no correlation between a legally chosen medical procedure and someone causing the death of an unborn child in a malicious manner.


At least we have established the use of the words "justifiable homicide" when describing an abortion are just your opinion not law. So we have made some progress after all.

Opoib

guy faulkes said...

The paradox is that a doctor can legally murder an unborn baby and a mugger or drunk driver cannot. Neither of them should be able to do it legally.

Just to keep it straight, abortion being murder is an opinion (shared by millions) also, until we can overturn the current situation legally. You do not seem to realize this as your posts do not reflect it.

Opoib said...

Guy Faulkes,I do not recognise abortion as murder you are 100% correct. It is a safe legal medical procedure.

I know you would rather bring it back to seedy motel rooms or alleys by making it illegal as to induce more shame on the women.

I never said I was for or against it either. It is none of my business what anyone else does with their bodies.

What I have tried to make abundantly clear is I support a woman deciding what is best for her.

Not you or anyone else telling her what she can and can not do with her own body. Is that clear enough?

guy faulkes said...

Dolt, why does the woman's convience give her the right to murder her child?

I must congratulate you Opoib/LPOV. You were successful in hijacking the thread away from the topic of first amendment rights.

My apologies to everyone for falling for this most common of liberal tricks. I am an easy target when it comes to the murder of unborn children.

Opoib said...

Guy Faulkes, you started at the beginning of the thread hijacking it by calling a medical procedure a "justifiable Homicide" a crime.

I only posted in the thread in response to that statement by you asking for clarification or a citing of a legal statue to back up your claim of abortion being a prosecutable crime in NC.

So the blame lies squarely on your shoulders. Shame one you for the cowardly way you tried to blame me for your own hijacking of the thread.

guy faulkes said...

No the blame is on the shoulders of a person that diverts a thread because he was unable to understand you cannot talk about changing anything without stating your opinion of why the change should be made.

The Catholics are making the same kind of discussion in their video.

That is called free speech and is covered under the first amendment as well a religious freedom.

You never answered the question about whether an abortion if the mother;s life is endangered was justified. If so, then the homicide was justified in your mind.

guy faulkes said...

Not in my opinion, because other people cannot give him to God. He had to give himself before he died. Now, what is your objection, as you have hijacked the thread again, Opoib.