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Saturday, August 11, 2012

Ryan is choice for VP

 I think that Blogger and I both agree that this is a good choice for the I said in the original thread:

" Ryan, popular with conservatives, certainly knowledgeable about government finances and familiar with maneuvering in Washington, would be my choice. Ryan would also help the ticket in Wisc and, while it doesn't have Florida impact, it would still be a good "pickup" for Repubs"

Of course his selection as VP will stir the Democrats up - My prediction? On tomorrow's Sunday Morning Talk Shows, the White House surrogates will be out in force scaring the seniors with arguments that their "entitlements' will be taken away from them. In spite of the fact that Obamacare is pulling $500 BILLION out of Medicare, they will position themselves as supporters of Senior benefits and those that are trying to make it solvent, as the enemy!

Ryan will, in my opinion, bring some of the conservative enthusiasm back into the race. Some will argue that Ryan should head the ticket - but the primaries have decided otherwise. Now it's a choice - Romney-Ryan or Obama-Biden.


Sarkazein said...

Sarkazein said...
I can't find the thread where Blogger and NewGuy picked Ryan as Romney's choice, congrats! Romney made a great yet controversial pick. No middle-of-the-roader is Ryan.

It is said Obama actually hates Romney... we know he hates Ryan. This election will break all records for nastiness.
August 11, 2012 6:42 AM
Sarkazein said...
Favorite books to live by:

Ryan- "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand

Obama- "Rules for Radicals" by Saul Alinsky
August 11, 2012 6:57 AM

Sarkazein said...

Perhaps some of the more skittish Conservative voters can mark a 3/5's vote for Romney/Ryan at the ballot box this November.

NewGuy said...

Well, that didn't take as long as I thought.

Here's what I said at 9:38...
"On tomorrow's Sunday Morning Talk Shows, the White House surrogates will be out in force scaring the seniors with arguments that their "entitlements' will be taken away from them. In spite of the fact that Obamacare is pulling $500 BILLION out of Medicare, they will position themselves as supporters of Senior benefits and those that are trying to make it solvent, as the enemy!"


Here is what Obama campaign manager said shorty after that:

"The architect of the radical Republican House budget, Ryan, like Romney, proposed an additional $250,000 tax cut for millionaires, and deep cuts in education from Head Start to college aid. His plan also would end Medicare as we know it by turning it into a voucher system, shifting thousands of dollars in health care costs to seniors."

Dems are SOOOOOO predictable!

Kate said...

I agree Ryan is a good pick, but I do have to point out that Ryan's budget plan keeps the $500 billion Obamacare cuts to Medicare. We can't go there.

Sarkazein said...

Kate- If they win, there won't be a Obamacaretax.

Kate said...

"Kate- If they win, there won't be a Obamacaretax." Yes there will if Ryan's budget is adopted. As I said earlier, the Ryan Plan keeps the $500 billion in Medicare cuts that are in Obamacare.

Sarkazein said...

Kate- I will wait and see how it is explained by R&R. We are broke.... all will suffer when the whole thing collapses. Some cuts are necessary to save it. Fraud has been rampant. I believe Obamacaretax is to bust Medicare and move to single-payer, not save it.

But, there will be no programs that are untouchables if we want to stop the collapse.

NewGuy said...

Kate, I am not sure that what you are saying is entirely true. At the very least, it is misleading. Assuming that you are speaking of the House Passed budget bill for fy2012, (which didn't get through the Senate)....that budget projected medicare savings that were to be used to extend the life of the medicare program. Those savings were projected to occur based on offering seniors the option to use medicare to help buy private insurance which, it is argued, would allow them to make their own health care choices AND receive the benefits of more "free market" pricing of their medicare policy. Also, keep in mind, these changes to the program would apply to those currently 55 years old or younger - they would not effect current medicare recipients.

On the other hand, the OBAMACARE plan pulls the money (latest CBO estimates are around 750 BILLION) out of medicare between 2013-2022 AND apply to the current medicare recipients. Beyond that, the "savings" is used to fund other OBAMACARE programs and will not extend the life of the current medicare program. Most importantly, the "savings" comes from reducing the medicare payments paid to the providers. That is, the medical professionals will have to accept less money for their services IF THEY ACCEPT MEDICARE PATIENTS.

I suppose you could "spin" the fact that both Obamacare and the Ryan budget both project savings into something that claims they are comparable, but I don't think you can truly make that case.

Obamacare pulls money from medicare to fund other programs...and it does so by lowering the payment schedule to providers.

The PROPOSED budget projected savings to medicare by offering some other (private insurance) options to seniors and the saving would be used to extend the life of the program.

NewGuy said...

One of the main things you have to ask yourself is....

Who would you rather see as president?
or Biden?

Sarkazein said...

Thank you NewGuy, I wont have to wait for R&R to explain.
Most will not look as deep into the differences. Like Kate and many others, they will believe the Obama talking points as a matter of convenience.

Sarkazein said...

I was POA for an elderly woman in her nineties. For her last week on Earth, Medicare paid out $92,000 for her healthcare as she died of natural causes. Something is wrong there. That is if I could really understand the mountain of paperwork describing it.

NewGuy said...

Another thing to keep in mind...the so called "Ryan budget" was actually the "Wyden/Ryan" budget....Wyden being Democrat Senator Ron Wyden who worked with House budget chairman Ryan in developing the plan.

Ryan will, of course, have every vote he ever made on every issue put under a microscope....his voting record will be distorted, he will be accused of voting against things he supported and voting for things he opposed .....let's just hope the voters can sort things out for themselves.

If one votes for a 100 billion dollar savings instead of a 50 billion dollar savings, they will be accused of voting against the proposal to save taxpayers 50 billion dollars. Of course that's literally true and if one draws conclusions from talking points and headlines, then results are unpredictable!

Sarkazein said...

I guess that was part of Obama's "brilliance"... just vote present or miss the vote all together.

NewGuy said...

Sark...I was thinking along similar lines myself.

Even as president, he hasn't had a budget passed so can run "against" the Romney / Ryan proposals without having to defend his own since he didn't have one. Well, he did have the one that didn't even receive a single vote in the Senate!

He can't run on his "record" so he will run "against" Romney/Ryan records. Ryan because he had a budget plan that didn't please everyone and made tuff choices....

Romney because....well because....uh, well he's RICH, that's why!

Obama slogan "Romney is rich and you aren't!"

Blogger said...

Kate, regarding the half trillion and more cuts in Medicare. Right now what I read is confusing. For example, the very first move Romney made when the Ryan news was out Friday night was to contact all his people around the country and tell them to immediately hit Obama on his raiding of Medicare to support Obamacare.

The second confusion I have is that Romney has said the first thing he would do is replace Obamacare with something better. Seems to me then the half trillion becomes mute.

A Conservative said...

Ryan's claim to be a "fiscal hawk" is a blatant LIE. Ryan's actual congressional voting record reveals him to be nothing more than run of the mill pork-barrel-gorging, debt bloating reckless Congressman. He voted for an unpaid for Iraq war, Medicare Part D, TARP and every other Fed $$ he could shovel into his district.

Kate said...

I'm not sure what the confusion is. Ryan’s own budget sustains the Medicare cuts in Obamacare. It's that simple and uncontested. Rich Lowry this morning did say Romney wants to repeal those cuts however. If we have something better to replace Obamacare with (and I hope we do), then we need to get out there with it is my point, instead of complaining that Obama wants $500-$700 billion in cuts when the Ryan plan keeps those same cuts. Because vouchers for Medicare isn't going to get it.

Sarkazein said...

Kate- Vouchers may be the exact best cure. Government run programs waste millions. Insurance companies are for profit. Waste is the enemy of profit as is fraud.

NewGuy said...

Kate....I pointed out in my post why I think you are mistaken. If you think I am wrong with what I said, please provide a source of some type. Your repeating a talking point you heard somewhere doesn't make it so.

If you find anything incorrect in my previous post, please just point out the error and give us a reference.

NewGuy said...

Kate...are you by any chance referring to the comments Rachael Maddow made on NBC's Meet The Press? The one where She is claiming that Ryans budget has the same cuts as Obamacare?

If so, I think I have explained the big difference in Ryan's medicare cost savings WHICH IS KEPT IN MEDICARE in order to keep it from failing....and Obama's pulling money from Medicare to fund his other program.

But, if you are trying to say that Ryan would reduce Medicare costs, then you are of course- correct. He would also reduce the costs of numerous other federal programs.

That's reason enough for me to vote for him.

NewGuy said...

Ryan...for the record, has a better than 91% lifetime conservative rating from the American Conservatives Union and similar numbers from the American Taxpayers Union and every other credible conservative organization. Not quite up to Virginia Foxx's numbers, but close.

Sarkazein said...

I guess the liberal attack on Ryan will be-- "He's just as bad as we are."

Sarkazein said...

Voted YES on prohibiting product misuse lawsuits on gun manufacturers. (Oct 2005)
Voted YES on prohibiting suing gunmakers & sellers for gun misuse. (Apr 2003)
Voted YES on decreasing gun waiting period from 3 days to 1. (Jun 1999)
Rated A by the NRA, indicating a pro-gun rights voting record. (Dec 2003)
National cross-state standard for concealed carry. (Jan 2009)
Ban gun registration & trigger lock law in Washington DC. (Mar 2007)
Allow reloading spent military small arms ammunition. (Apr 2009)

Sarkazein said...

As a youngster

Jus' Sayin' said...

If Obama wants to reduce Medicare and Ryan wants to reduce Medicare, why can't we reduce Medicare?

Blogger said...

Jus Saying “If Obama wants to reduce Medicare and Ryan wants to reduce Medicare, why can't we reduce Medicare?” We can assume you are pulling our leg here. Why should Obama want to? In a few years Medicare and Social Security run out of money. But, Obama and many of the present members of Congress will also be long gone. So it suits him better to demagog the issue and get reelected?

The vote on entitlements will be the big test for the American electorate. The retiring Baby Boomers are known as the “Me Generation.” Living it up, they have brought America to the fiscal cliff and are passing the bill on to their children and grandchildren. The question is “Will they finally grow up in time? (by November)” If they don’t, then we go the way of Greece and states like California and others. Then, like it took Nixon to go to China, only a Democrat can clean up the mess they themselves created. For this present crowd of pants wetters, there are no profiles in courage on the Left.

By the way, Ryan is acknowledged to be one of the few grown-ups in Washington but he will be beat on by wee people.

Blogger said...

Ok Kate, but you do realize the voucher system is to save entitlements for the young, mostly 55 and under? Older people keep what they were promised and have paid into all their life. They not only will not have it taken from them, but no one would dare. Give Ryan some time here. He is well able to explain to the American people. The major problem he face is so many have their heads buried in the sand and can't hear the perfect storm coming.

guy faulkes said...

Who would you rather see as president?
or Biden?
or Obama?
or Romney?

or, for that matter, Palin?

Sarkazein said...

Romney for the next 8 then Ryan for the following 8.

NewGuy said...

In my opinion, the Romney/Ryan ticket is a good one for the country at this particular time. Romney has the credentials to serve as CEO of a country that NEEDS a turnaround team!

Ryan adds his fiscal conservative credentials and government expertise.

Most liberals, and some conservatives, will not want to make the sacrifices necessary to fix the problems we have.

It's like we have some irresponsible parents who add to the credit card balance every month while paying only the minimum payment. As the family faces bankruptcy, the kids whine and cry when they are told they can't buy another pair of $100.00 sneakers!

Kids, it's time to recognize that we can't afford to buy everything that everyone wants!

Johnny Rico said...

I doubt the Kate wacko wants to go head to head with factual minded conservatives. Like a typical liberal socialist, she cuts and runs when the heat gets a bit hot. LOL!

Katy bar the door!!!!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

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