Friday, June 14, 2013

"Shall not be infringed".....IF your county sheriff approves!


South Carolina Sheriff Chuck Wright
I have never completely understood why it was necessary in NC for my local county sheriff to have to give me his permission before I bought a handgun! If the US Constitution says that I have the right to keep and bear arms and that my right to do so "shall not be infringed" - then how is it NOT an infringement if I must first obtain permission before I purchase a handgun?

At any rate, that requirement has been eliminated in the NC House Bill 937 which passed the NC Senate yesterday (Thanks for your vote, Dan Soucek!) The bill also expands the rights of Concealed Carry permit holders and increases the places where a CCW holder can carry!

 The bill made several changes to the original bill that had passed the NC House so it must now be sent back to the house for 'reconciliation'.

I'm confident that Watauga/Ashe Representative Jonathan Jordan will support this bill!

14 comments:

NewGuy said...

http://www.wral.com/omnibus-gun-bill-passes-senate/12550220/

Johnny Rico said...

The Republicans had better not cave to oppressive law enforcement on this one!! Sheriff Len Hagaman, how do you stand on treating citizens like common criminals by "permitting" them to exercise their God given, inalienable rights? Kind of a paradox isn't it.

Ben Gillicuty said...

The Sheriff Association's stance on permitting you, the citizen, to own a weapon should tell you a little something about their actions WHEN full gun confiscation comes into effect. We're not far from that right now, and many officers will gladly come into YOUR homes and take your weapons. The Constitution is but an afterthought now. Apathetic American deserve this though.

guy faulkes said...

Fortunately not all Sheriffs are trying to negate the provision for eliminating the racist (as to its establishment) Jim Crow pistol permitting system. We need to contact Sheriff Hagaman to find out what his stance is.

We also need to contact Jordan and ask him to help retain the positive additions to H937 made by the Senate in reconciliation.

guy faulkes said...

Alert from GRNC:

http://www.grnc.org/grnc-alerts-archive/489-grnc-alert-6-16-13-nc-sheriffs-assoc-threatens-hb-937

guy faulkes said...

It looks like the battle for H937 between the Sheriff's Association and GRNC is going to be epic.

Why does the SA need a lobbyist paid a quarter million dollars a year?

http://grnc.org/grnc-alerts-archive/491-grnc-alert-6-17-13-nc-sheriffs-money-a-power-more-important-than-gun-rights

Anonymous said...

Sheriff Hagaman is a stooge. If the other sheriff's are for it he will follow along. He has NO backbone what so ever. He allowed one of his officers to view child porn on a county computer. Officer still there. Another officer got caught lying on a prosecution report by DA Wilson. Guess what Officer still there. The DA office has stated that they have had to dismiss almost 65% of the WCSO drug cases due to lying, not abiding by discovery laws, and not turning in reports to prosecute the cases. Hagaman is a joke! We need to get someone to unseat him this next election or is the Republican Party going to support this idiot.

guy faulkes said...

I am in regular communication with competitive shooters in various disciplines from all over the state. It is the opinion of many of these people that the pistol permitting issue was a potion pill introduced to be able to kill the entire bill (H937)by putting it in committee during reconciliation if it does not pass concurrence. If this happens, look for some interesting primaries and also for a lot of people to not vote at all if the wrong person wins the primary. I am by no means the only person that feels this way.

I only mention this to let you know it is being discussed all over the state. Our beating this dead horse is not going to serve any purpose. By now we all know how we stand individually on the matter of how we vote.

http://grnc.org/grnc-alerts-archive/499-grnc-alert-6-25-13-tell-the-house-a-vote-against-concurrence-on-hb937-is-anti-gun

Sarkazein said...

GuyFaulkes- What is your opinion on open carry?

guy faulkes said...

The sheriff's association is apparently attempting to kill the bill if they do not get to continue with the Jim Crow pistol permitting system. It will be interesting to see if this effects any primary races for sheriff across the state (or causes them).

http://grnc.org/grnc-alerts-archive/500-grnc-alert-6-27-13-call-for-hb-937-concurrence-now

http://www.armedlutheran.us/nc-sheriffs-working-to-stop-pro-gun-bill/

guy fauleks said...

Sark, I am a fan of open carry, though I seldom do it since I got a CCH permit years ago. It is just easier to carry concealed because it does not distress the sheeple. I hate to make them bleat (because I hate to hear the noise).

Open carry has several benefits. It reduces the chance you would be attacked by the gun being visible. It also makes do bads think they may need to relocate.

Of course concealed carry does much the same as the do bads are not sure who is armed.

In either case, guns save lives and more guns equal less crime. (Read Lott's book if you are a sheeple that disagrees with this).

Here is another link that exposes the abuse by the sheriff of Mecklinburg county in trying to discourage people from getting a CCH permit.

http://grnc.org/grnc-alerts-archive/501-grnc-alert-7-4-13-stop-sheriff-gun-permit-abuses

Sarkazein said...

GuyFaulkes- in Texas you cannot carry a handgun openly. A long gun can be carried openly, but you talk about rattling the sheeple....

Is it legal to carry a handgun open in NC?

Sarkazein said...

GuyFaulkes- The carry license in Texas is under the authority of the State Police or Dept of Public Safety as they are officially called here. This eliminates a bunch of local agencies from modifying the process. The PD, Constable, Sheriff, and City Marshal has no say in it.

guy faulkes said...

You can carry openly in North Carolina, Sark, but there is a fly in the ointment. There is an old Jim Crow law on the books called going armed to the terror of the public. This (as with most gun laws) was a racist attempt to prevent blacks from carrying guns. We have only had concealed carry for about 15 years, so open carry was all that was available. This law can be used to harass you, as even pellet guns have been used as a reason to charge people.

There was a bill introduced to require a sheriff to only ask those questions and ask for documentation as required by the CCH law so as to standardize the procedural. I do not think it made it into the omnibus carry bill that was passed by both Houses but is being held up from being voted on for concurrence in the House by the establishment leadership.

This is largely because of two issues. One is being able to keep a gun locked in your car on campus. This opposition was pretty much beaten when the head of the state university system gave a speech to the legislature about how the law would make it harder to protect students on campus and two hours later a girl was raped. The real fight on this issue is when concealed carry on campus is introduced. (campus is currently exempted form the current CCH law.)

The one causing the delay is to do away with another Jim Crow law which requires those without a CCH permit to obtain a permit from the sheriff in order to buy a pistol. The sheriff can make this decision in a totally arbitrary manner. If he does not want you to have a permit because of the color of your hair (or skin), you cannot get one. Also the department makes a significance amount of money from these permits and will make more if the bill to double the price of the permits were to pass.

As the Sheriff's Association is politically very powerful, their opposition caused yellow water to run down the legs of the establishment leadership and the bill has been sitting waiting for action for weeks.

Hopefully we will someday get constitutional carry which requires no permit other than citizenship as the Constitution intended. Fur states have this now with no problems.