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Friday, November 13, 2015

Liberals, Quit Misusing the Bible to Support Your Doctrines!!

   In an earlier post,I wrote "it is not an inconsequential thing when leaders on the Left have the bully pulpit and misuse Scripture to support their doctrines." Right away our leading leftie DR, challenged me with: "Luke 12:48 "For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required Do you have a problem with this one too Blogger? The answer is yes. The Bible is not some simple
  
moral handbook. It is about the supernatural and it is written to people with thousands of years of history with the supernatural. And unless one can take a supernatural viewpoint, they had best leave the Bible alone.

Luke 12 is about the good servant who is put in charge of the masters property. But the servant wearies of waiting. He begins to abuse the people in his charge. That is when Jesus says: "The servant who knows the master’s will and does not get ready or does not do what the master wants will be beaten with many blows. . . . From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked."

I am not sure lefties would like baby Christians to be reading the whole context. Sometimes I wish portions of the Bible could get a "for mature Christians only" rating.

What then might the first century Jews likely  hear?  The rabbis at least would hear echoes of Psalm 82 and Deut 32. In Deut 32:8 we learn that the God of Gods, Yahweh, assigned 70 sub-gods (Elohims) to help Him with His people. Unfortunately some of them decided to be gods themselves and receive worship. They abused the people under them and even taught the people to be evil as they were.

In Psalm 82, Yahweh calls them back to headquarters and reams them out. He tells them that because they were high spiritual beings and knew better, they would receive a much worse punishment than others. (Most all the descriptions of extremely severe punishments (severe beating in this case) in the Bible are of the Elohims, for obvious reasons.)

But because the Jews God's chosen, were worshiping the Elohims and taking on their nature, the Rabbis would also hear something else. Israel would be punished for the same reason. They definitely did not like to hear that. (However it was one more of the ‘50 ways to leave your lover’ and why. See 50 ways to leave your lover

25 comments:

Democratus Rex said...

" The Bible is not some simple moral handbook. It is about the supernatural and it is written to people with thousands of years of history with the supernatural. "

Precisely why it should be treated as the book of fairy tales that it is. There is NO place for the supernatural except for ghost stories for children.

Anonymous said...

Mighty uppity of you to suggest that you use the bible correctly to support your doctrines, but when secularists(you call them liberals for demonization) use the bible to highlight the hypocrisy within, they are "misusing" it. Cheeky, and craven.

Anonymous said...

Please point me to the scripture that says, "Support government taking money from someone that is not you to give to another someone that is not you (or maybe to you) so that YOU can then claim to be "charitable." Over and over, the Bible says that people are to be PERSONALLY charitable -- to give from what THEY have, not take from some rich person so that you can feel better about yourself. You are giving nothing!

If you believe the Bible to be a book of fairy tales, then you shouldn't attempt to use it in any discussion. You obviously do not have any respect for it, and therefore, have no interest in actually trying to UNDERSTAND it. If you make no effort to understand it, then you are misusing it just to support your views and try to point out what you wrongly call "hypocrisy."

Democratus Rex said...

"Please point me to the scripture that says, "Support government taking money from someone that is not you to give to another someone that is not you (or maybe to you) so that YOU can then claim to be "charitable." " First, who is making that claim on this thread other than you.

Second, Mark 12:17 "And Jesus answering said unto them, Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's. And they marvelled at him."

"if you believe the Bible to be a book of fairy tales, then you shouldn't attempt to use it" Third, You claim to believe it. Read it. I UNDERSTAND the difference between real and imaginary. You are threatened by having your beliefs challenged.

Anonymous said...

And yet again, you do not understand what you are quoting because you do not respect it. Actually, if you had any reading comprehension, you would know that the verse you quote doesn't work for you. I knew this would be the verse you would try to use, because it is the verse every liberal atheist tries to use. Jesus is giving clear instructions that one should pay taxes to government, but that CHARITY, personal giving, is to be by the individual. PERSONALLY give to God -- time, money, effort, heart. To see how Jesus felt about personal charity, read Luke 21:1-4. Since you quoted the verse, and I have now explained it to you, obviously you will accept it. Are YOU personally charitable? Do you give out of your own time and money to help others? Or do you sit on your fat, liberal butt and expect government to take money from other people so that you can feel superior?

Secondly, it is you who began this entire religious conversation by challenging blogger's views and tossing out the "least of these" verse. Why use, in a political discussion, a religious view you hold in such disdain? I think for several reason: to ridicule people of faith, which you continue to do; to make accusations of hypocrisy against people of faith, which you are doing; to stroke your own ego and feelings of superiority, which you continue to do.

"First, who is making that claim on this thread other than you." You are, you just never actually say anything. You insinuate and deride and talk in such vague terms, when someone accuses you of saying something, you respond with, "I didn't actually say THAT." Why else try to use biblical quotes to justify liberal policies -- you've quoted Matt. 25:40 (least of these), Luke 12:48 (much is given, much is expected) and now Mark 12:17 (give unto Caesar). J'accuse! Tell us right now, clear and straightforward -- are you or are you not claiming that scripture supports liberal governmental policies? I think YOU are the one who does not like to have his beliefs challenged since you never actually clearly state any beliefs.

Democratus Rex said...

It is quite clear that the character Jesus was a liberal socialist.

Anonymous said...

That's not an answer to the question. Why are you so afraid to give a clear, direct answer to a clear, direct question?

And Jesus was not a "character" but an actual person, according to all educated people. Continuing to deride religious persons and feel superior. I hope every Democrat that is also religious sees your posts so they know exactly what liberals like you really think.

Democratus Rex said...

"Jesus was not a "character" but an actual person,"
Got any proof of that?

By the way, go back to using "Nobody" as your pseudonym.

Anonymous said...

http://www.inquisitr.com/1696092/did-jesus-actually-exist-was-he-a-real-person/

"This might be what devotees would be expected to say, and to them, this is sufficient. However, there is historical evidence outside of Christian sources that indicates that Jesus existed and was a real person in the writings of at least two historians of the time."

And I am not Nobody. Got proof of THAT?

Anonymous said...

J'accuse! Tell us right now, clear and straightforward -- are you or are you not claiming that scripture supports liberal governmental policies?

Democratus Rex said...

http://jdstone.org/cr/files/nohistoricalevidenceofjesus.html

Democratus Rex said...

"are you or are you not claiming that scripture supports liberal governmental policies?"

Was that claim ever made?

"J'accuse!" That's cute. Are you practicing to be the grand inquisitor?



Blogger said...

“It is quite clear that the character Jesus was a liberal socialist.” DR, thanks. I had heard libs saying this. Actually, I was going to look for it on line. I wanted to use it to let people know you guys actually say things like that. Also, I needed the comment to justify posting on the subject on a political blog. Thanks for the help. Now I won’t have to be using my time to go looking for it.

Sarkazein said...

One thing is for sure, liberals like DRex are respectful to all religions except Christianity and sometimes Judaism.

Ishmael said...

You are taking a pretty extreme view. I've read a lot of history books in my time. People often contend that Jesus was not divine but every history textbook I've read says that Jesus was at least a real person who lived and preached in Judea and Galilee. I'm not talking about church or religious books, I mean actual history textbooks. Historians agree that Jesus did live. You can differ on the nature of the person, but it's extreme to argue he never even existed.

It's also good to know your mindset -- the respect you (do not) give to people who have differing viewpoints. You linked to the site of a person who said, "Abrahamic Derivative Religions are. Malignant cancers metastasizing on humanity." I guess this is your view as well. Why quote the Bible, then, to support your views?

Ishmael said...

Have you ever tried quoting the Quran to argue against Muslims killing people? Do you hate all religions equally?

Democratus Rex said...

I don't hate religions. I just don't have much use for them. I don't believe in the supernatural and feel it has no place in mature, reasoned discourse. All this hate you fling on me is your projection.

Ishmael said...

All people have the right to think and believe as they choose. They have the right to engage in any conversation that they want, and they have the right to bring into those conversations whatever they wish. If Bruce Jenner can talk publicly about who he/she/it is and be celebrated for it, so should religious persons be free to talk about who they are in public without be banished from the public sphere by hate-filled persons such as you. Talk about hypocrisy! As a culture, we celebrate "decisions" like Jenners, but castigate the faith decisions of religious persons and tell them their beliefs and viewpoints are worthless?

Why do you quote the Bible to support your liberal ideology? Why do you feel the need to attack people of faith here on this blog unless you are motivated by hate?

Ishmael said...

And yet again, you AVOID giving an honest answer to a straightforward question -- are you or are you not claiming that scripture supports liberal governmental policies? I pointed pretty clearly to three examples where you quoted scripture in support of liberal policies, implying that you believe scripture supports liberal governmental policies. I'm giving you ample opportunity to move beyond IMPLYING and actually giving an ANSWER. You seem incapable of doing so.... Why?

Blogger said...

DR writes "By the way, go back to using "Nobody" as your pseudonym." You are right DR, this Anonymous does sound intelligent like Nobody. I hope he hangs around.I do hope though we will get off your personal problems with the supernatural soon. I would like to keep focused on the politics of misusing the Bible. If we get too much in the weeds, I will just move it off onto the Vent Page where it is more appropriate.

Democratus Rex said...

Old testament = conservative
New testament = liberal

There. Satisfied?

You say hate. I say challenge. Defend your religion. This is a perfect opportunity to convince me. I'm open.

Sarkazein said...

Look what Liberalism has done to DRex. Liberalism is supposed to make people "open-minded". The result of liberalism over DRex has been the opposite. He/she is closed-minded to the point of disrespect to opposing views. Obama is the same. When presented with a question from the WH Press that hints of calling him wrong, Obama scoffs at the question like a smart-ass punk in a classroom setting.
Obama's last press conference showed him as an ideologue detached from the reality of today. But he thinks everyone who doesn't agree with him is detached.... in other words he's a closed-minded liberal. This is why he has never risen to the image President of the United States and has only been President of the community of the most liberal wing of the Democrat Party.
Then he and his biggest supporters cry bigotry...

Democratus Rex said...

"He/she is closed-minded to the point of disrespect to opposing views. "

"he thinks everyone who doesn't agree with him is detached.... in other words he's a closed-minded liberal."

Maybe I'm a conservative as this is the conservative mindset stock in trade. A conservative is a closed minded liberal. Interesting.

Sarkazein said...

DRex- My comment about Obama being "detached" is an observation shared with most people watching him.

Blogger said...

DR, I have not forgotten your request to “convince me. I’m open.” DR after thinking about it, I decided that my political blog is not the appropriate place for that. However, there are many people who have gone directly to God and said “if you really do exist “ “convince me. I’m open.”
Don’t know if that will work for you, but if you keep your radar on, we can hope.
Meanwhile, here is a webpage of some famous non-believers and even atheists who found God. Mostly they found Yahweh.

http://www.ranker.com/list/former-atheists-and-agnostics/famous-atheists?&var=3