This blog originally founded by Blogger who holds a theological degree and a doctorate in Counseling Psychology. Taught Psychology for 32 years and is now Professor Emeritus. Is a board-certified psychologist and was awarded the Lifetime Achievement Award in his profession. Ministered as a chaplain, and pastored Baptist and Episcopal churches. Publications cover the integration of psychology and theology. Served in the Army, the Merchant Marines and the Peace Corps.

Tuesday, November 17, 2015

Send Your Thanks to Governor McCrory

  Governor McCrory is asking President Barack Obama to cease sending any refugees from Syria to North Carolina. The governor made the announcement at a news conference in Charlotte. The request is being sent in a letter from the governor to the president.
 
“North Carolina has a proud tradition of providing a hand-up for those in need, including international refugees,” said Governor McCrory. “However, because President Obama has increased the number of refugees from Syria coming into the United States from 2,000 to 10,000 and because of the terrorist attacks in Paris and the very real possibility that one of the terrorists entered France as a recent refugee, I am requesting that the federal government cease sending refugees from Syria to North Carolina.”  
 


Thank you for blocking the Syrian refugees. Those of us who are older remember that WW II had its Nazi sympathizers. Also we had to put Japanese in camps because we could not be sure of their loyalties. During the Cold War, the Communists had their "fellow travelers" and we were not always sure who they were.


Now in this war with ISIS, again we don’t know who is who. We do know that after 9/11 there were celebrations by Muslims. Who are they? We also know that many Muslim countries were slow to repudiate the attacks. Even in the US the responses came very slow. Why?

So how do we separate the radicals and the fellow travelers from the rest. We really don’t even know that if push came to shove there are any "rest." We have no way of knowing. And we have historical reasons to know "things are not always as they seem; the first appearance deceives many." Phaedrus
 


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119 comments:

Wolf's Head said...

So why don't their Muslim brothers in the middle east such as Kuwait, Saudi Arabia or Dubai take in these poor refugees? They are extremely wealthy and can easily support all those "men" leaving their families behind in war torn Syria (if that's where they're from).

Sarkazein said...

Muslim countries have some of the highest percentage of budgets spent on defense... they are surrounded by Muslim countries and Muslims. The Muslim countries are exporting Muslims.

Anonymous said...

Conservatives

Here in this we see another example of conservative cowardliness, hypocrisy and inhumanity to fellow world citizens desperate refuge.
This is an example of "Conservative family values" or Conservative "Courage" ?
Governor McCrory panders to the bigots in the Republican base over offering assistance to desperate children playing to fear and ignorance rather than offering leadership and explaining the facts of these refugees going through months of screening.

Sarkazein said...

You made it a welfare state, it's your fault.

Sarkazein said...

It's bipartisan.

Sarkazein said...

Obama has been wrong at every turn in the Middle East... we are supposed to trust his judgement now. If there are more Muslim terrorist attacks here, will he blame it on a video or work place violence or poverty or global warming? You can't trust him.

Will said...

The same 60% of citizens who when polled in 1939 as to whether the US should take 20,000 Jewish children in as refugees said no. Or insisted that Japanese Americans could not be trusted and needed to placed in camps. The values of our country crumble quickly in the face of fear - regardless of political party

Sarkazein said...

To say nothing of 1939 still being in the Great Depression with a liberal Democrat as the leader. And to say nothing of the general lack of knowledge about the NAZI Socialist's death camps. But, hate America whenever you can.

Sarkazein said...

Executive Order 9066: The President Authorizes Japanese Relocation. In an atmosphere of World War II hysteria, President Roosevelt (D) (Liberal/Progressive), encouraged by officials at all levels of the federal government, authorized the internment of tens of thousands of American citizens of Japanese ancestry and resident aliens from Japan.

Blogger said...

It is irritating, as well as insulting, that every time I post something, the lib comes on with “Me good”, “You bad”. No lib the truth is, “Me wise,” “You stupid.”

Sarkazein said...

In June 1939, the SS St. Louis, carrying nearly a thousand German Jewish refugees seeking asylum from Nazi persecution, was refused permission to dock in the U.S. on Roosevelt's (D) (LIBERAL/PROGRESSIVE) direct orders. Canada and Cuba both also refused to let them in. The ship returned to Europe, and most of the refugees eventually were killed.

Happily Married said...

Seems we have not learned from our mistakes. Just because we relocated Japanese in WWII does not make it right to discriminate against refugees. Plenty of examples exist of extremists in every race, religion, or nationality. Discrimination for the actions of the few is never acceptable. To forgo our values in the face of fear is cowardice. If you believe this is right, then surely you believe that pit bulls as a dog breed should be outlawed, or, because of 7000 homicides by guns in this country last year, we must ban people from possessing guns. How many of you would agree with that approach? I am sure the immediate response is - it is not the same thing! Please tell me how it is not. Conservatives often spout that guns should not be to blame for the people doing the shooting and gun restrictions are not the answer. Well refugees are not to blame for the few terrorists that infiltrate their ranks. If you say "we cant take the chance that a terrorist could infiltrate our country then I would argue that we cannot take a chance that someone might kill with a gun. Guns killed 7000 last year - nothing is said about that. This is political fear mongering at its finest - "hate and fear the Muslims! - they are the root of all you problems. This is not a bipartisan issue - only one out of thirty one governors insisting on discrimination is a democrat. Why do Republicans insist on fear based approaches to this world? At least your feeble minded attention is diverted away from hating illegal immigrants - now you can hate refugees instead.

Blogger said...

Will, lets see how you feel when some of these Trojan Horses carry out their attacks here. And, they will. We are now in WWIII. In war, common sense is called for. Its now a new world.

Sarkazein said...

HM- This is not a gay issue. Go back to sleep.

Blogger said...

I sent copies of my letter to McCrory to our two senators and our representative. I hope you will join me. State governors have the responsibility to protect their people. Did you hear today that our dictator told the governors he will be sending the Trojan Horses to their states anyway. Also, that he will not even tell the governors where they will be. Also, did you know that once upon the time, each state was a sovereign entity?

Blogger said...

Thanks Sark for telling HP to go back to sleep Are you sure he was even awake? If I were he, I would check to see who was posting under my nom de plume. It was so sophomoric that it did not even sound like HP.

Sarkazein said...

Some of these young military age male Syrian refugees must be coming to America to marry each other and HM found out about it by invitation. HM should be busy forcing bakers to make cakes for them and photographers to do their wedding albums, not posting comments on a political blog. While he's at it, force the wedding party to adopt Pit Bulls and turn in their guns and chant "Allahu Akbar".

Happily Married said...

Sark,

Notice how you just sling jabs without addressing the issue. This is a human issue - no more comments from you.

Blogger, we are not in WWIII. These are isolated evil atrocities. When the Muslims get sick of being hated and bombed because of this fringe group, their numbers will dwindle. The KKK lynched about 6000 blacks in their time, yet they still have between 4000 and 8000 members. They are no longer newsworthy because practicing hatred of blacks is no longer socially acceptable. ISIS is flourishing because the US keeps screwing up and involving itself in the Middle East. We need to get out and protect our borders. That does not mean discriminate - it means protect. ISIS has also made the mistake of pissing off Putin. The man controls half of the nuclear weapons on the planet. If they attack Russia directly and then actually claim responsibility, Syria might end up a big sheet of glass. It will be another human atrocity - one which they will have brought on themselves, one which we should not be involved in, but maybe one that is necessary. I don't condone it, but catastrophic escalation might have the effect of causing pause for ISIS - and redirecting their evil.

Happily Married said...

Funny how no one is addressing my original post - just slinging BS about gays. Go ahead, I dare you. Please tell me how these things are different or how anything I said might be incorrect.

Blogger said...

No room in the inn
You guys with your bleeding hearts. Why don’t you bleed for the Christians? There are even groups of Christians in this country who are willing to support them. But no. The State Department won’t let them. This sure doesn’t assuage our suspicions that Muslims are favored, but Christians are abhorred by this administration..

Anonymous said...

I would like to keep an open mind on the Muslim refugee question. Perhaps one of the liberal types on this site can explain to me the advantage to the United States of importing 10,000 people some of whom may wish to do us serious harm?

What's the upside?

Thanks

Happily Married said...

Blogger and Sark,

That "No room in the inn" opinion piece has been spewed all over the conservative blogoshpere - and I cant see any truth in it. I have read the actual policy: http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/247982.pdf and it includes Christians and it does not EXCLUDE Christians. You might as well be spewing the same old "Obama is a Muslim not even born in this country" BS. To suggest that I am incapable of research and opinion shows how incapable you are of realistic examination of the political world around you.

Upside (BTW): http://www.unhcr.org/pages/49c3646c74.html

How many important conservatives are descendants of refugees? People already here wish to do us serious harm - and they already have the guns to do it. This is why we have militarized police forces. Were you aware that those on the terrorist watch list - in this country - are still eligible to legally purchase firearms? YAY #2 supporters - ya big dolts.

Sarkazein said...

Even better, name all the Pit Bulls "Alluha Akbar". "Here Alluha Akbar!".

Anonymous said...

If I understand Happy Married correctly, the "upside" to allowing these potential threats into the US is that SOME previous refugees contributed to our society? And, the other "upside" is that we already have people in the US that would do us harm.

So, the logic apparently is that since we have threats already within our border, then we should allow additional threats to come here? And besides, SOME of them MIGHT turn out to be ok?

Thank you for your reply, HM. Now, at least, I can compare the "upside" to the potential "downside" and understand the risk/reward ratio a bit better.
Upside... 1."Some" of these refugees MIGHT become productive citizens
and...... 2. "Some" people already here could be bad too.

Downside..1. "Some" of these refugees might murder thousands of American citizens.

Is there any other 'upside' that we are not considering?

Happily Married said...

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/17/opinions/isis-no-military-answer-paton-walsh/index.html

Please note the comparison to the Khmer Rouge at the end.

Anyone actu7ally want to have an intelligent conversation about this? Once again Sark - that means you're out.

Happily Married said...

Yeah - its called humanity. France has even indicated that they will still accept refugees - despite the one that infiltrated and despite the attack. The US is better than to collapse in fear to the woes of the world - and that is exactly what refusing refugees would be. But then again it could be well know throughout the world that France has more humanity than the US.

I don't understand conservatives. They want so desperately to protect a zygote under the auspices that they are children - but they are OK to let them suffer and perish if they actually ARE children. People in need of help. What does the Statue of liberty say?
Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.

Unless you are a fear mongering conservative who needs to add "unless they are not Christians from certain regions who pose absolutely no threat to anyone". One Republican even provided the ridiculous comparison that the refugees are peanuts and that you wouldn't let your kids eat them. These are people - and is in the US best interest - and in our very culture - to help where we can.

Happily Married said...

Blogger - wasn't Jesus and his family middle eastern refugees?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/23/pope-francis-jesus-refugee_n_5508721.html

What say you - what might the upside be?

Blogger said...

There are a few Democrat governors who are beginning to push back. However, remember that the majority of the states have the good sense to be led by Republicans. Now we see one of the good reasons why. It is safer.

Sarkazein said...

HappilyMarried asks-"Blogger - wasn't Jesus and his family middle eastern refugees?"

No

Sarkazein said...

He stayed in the Middle East.

Sarkazein said...

The feckless UN can't stop the countries from causing the refugee crisis and they can't take care of the refugees... hopefully they can stop global warming. After all, that's what's causing the Muslims to flee Muslim countries... global warming. It turns them into terrorists and we still have global warming here, so they will become terrorists. Just ask Bernie and Algore and Kerry and Obama.

Anonymous said...

Blogger

Why are you so consumed with fear of ISSL with a standing army of 7 - 15,000 fighters but no Navy, no air force and no satellite support? During World War II the allies took on a coalition of powerful countries each with a Navy, Air Force and millions of fighters? Why do you Fox News, the Conservative media and right wing propaganda support the only weapon the extremist have and that weapon is fear?

Happily Married said...

Sark,

I did not call them refugees - the Pope did. I thought you were not going to comment anymore - given your tendency for random ridiculous comments - what does global warming have to do with anything?

Sarkazein said...

Volunteer to have your head cut off. Then let your kin hear Obama call it a set back caused by the JV team that watched a video.

You also might want to catch an updated enemy count Dufus.

Sarkazein said...

HM- Catch the news... Bernie said global warming is causing terrorism and so did other known idiots of the Left.
"Blogger - wasn't Jesus and his family middle eastern refugees?" HM

The Story I heard was all were called back to the place of their birth to be counted by the government census or to pay their taxes or something to that effect. Who/what was St Joseph and Mary fleeing? And were they fleeing a country known to produce terrorists?

Dickson said...

Funny... in all your bending over backwards to kiss the ring of your dear leader, you failed to see that the only thing you claim to hold higher than the GOP, your faith in Jesus Christ, explicitly teaches you to do exactly the opposite. But here's what's worse... because 1 terrorist in Paris posed as a refugee, you all band together to leave all refugees homeless and suffering. Meanwhile in just about every state in the U.S. the KKK, Neo-Nazis, Christian extremist groups, and others literally terrorize American Citizens on a consistent basis.... but you do and say nothing about that... you make no effort to speak out against them... no... you coddle them, make guns easier for them to get, and join in on the hate-filled rhetoric they use as their fuel. You even post racist blurbs of your own... and then you sit back in judgement of Syrian Refugees as if you are somehow better, somehow decent enough human beings to sit in judgement over their fate. Yet through all of that, you somehow seem to find yourselves faultless, you somehow believe that you will always be forgiven for your poor treatment of your fellow human beings in need. Good luck with that.

Happily Married said...

Sark,

Bernie said global warming CONTRIBUTES to terrorism - not caused. I provided the link to the Pope's quote - clearly I was referencing his quote.

Blogger said...

HM re: Jesus the refugee--Pope and Obama, clones This is not one of my favorite Popes for my reasons plus reasons in this article and it does not surprise me when he makes such a shallow observation. I am surprised at you HD though. You use to write more intelligent things.

Blogger said...

No room in the inn HM Google it Lots of people believe it.

Blogger said...

HM about Paton article. I have always said we should never get into a war if we are timid about collateral damage. However, this panty waste of a president pees his pants every time we drop a bomb. We shall see what happens if France and Russia, after the slaughter of their people, don't care.

Blogger said...


HM about Paton article. I have always said we should never get into a war if we are timid about collateral damage. However, this panty waist of a president pees his pants every time we drop a bomb. We shall see what happens if France and Russia, after the slaughter of their people, don't care.

Dickson said...

FYI Blogger,

I know you instruct people on here not to respond to the "trolls". Which I assume must mean people who either challenge your beliefs or hold differing opinions. That's fine... I expect no response. What you might want to know, however, is that for anyone who regularly posts in the blogosphere, it's not the posts where people go back and forth that stand out... it's the posts to which no one responds that stand out. That's because by not responding, you inadvertently make these points appear to be unassailable and leave whatever the point may be untainted by any challenge. You don't have trolls on here... you have people like me who legitimately challenge your opinions and conclusions... that's the meat of a healthy discourse... not trolling.

"In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion,[3] often for their own amusement."

Blogger said...

Dickson, I can’t help but resent what you wrote about blocking commenters. You don’t know what you are talking about. There has only been one person, and he was the poster boy of trolldom. For many years, I tolerated him, even though he did everything that defines a troll. I mean everything. It was like a computer loop going over and over saying the same inane thing. After several years of this misbehavior, finally so many of our regular readers, including some of our Libertarians who did not like the idea of censoring, had enough. When I finally began to block the troll, even they applauded. Still, I had to block him many times a day and it was taking up my time. He was that meanspirited. So, I decided that if he wrote anything that had the slightest value to it, I would let it through. He actually has improved his behavior lately, calling himself Anonymous, that he is tolerable.

Now, occasionally Googles’ spam blocker will zap someone for no reason. It rarely happens but if someone starts fussing that they were blocked, I go looking in the spam folder and if it is there, I put it up. Anyway, you falsely accused me and it also was condescending as well.

As I have said many times, because we conservatives are so sure we are right, we have no need to censor.

Sarkazein said...

" Which I assume must mean people who either challenge your beliefs or hold differing opinions."
That makes you an ass Dickson.

Democratus Rex said...

"..because we conservatives are so sure we are right, we have no need to censor"

But, you have never given an example where conservatism has helped an entire society. One where the rising tide has lifted all boats.

Sarkazein said...

HM- Mohammad's words contribute to terrorism. Throw in the global warming as a catalyst and BOOM! The USA is ground zero for global warming. We invented it and we use most of the worlds resources and we drive the biggest cars. Perhaps global warming will be the "rationalization" for future terrorist attacks just as drawing cartoon's is according to Secretary of State Jane F Kerry. Those poor Syrian refugees don't have any choice but to become terrorists. Too bad IRAN couldn't take care of them. IRAN supports a terrorist army in Syria, they could at least support the 3 year old orphan your idiot president of the liberal Democrats has lobbied for.

Democratus Rex said...

What would be your plan?

Sarkazein said...

I already stated my plan months ago. It is probably the same or similar to the plan the US Generals gave to Obama months ago... the one he ignored along with the advise, from his generals, he ignored about IRAQ and Afghanistan.

"But, you have never given an example where conservatism has helped an entire society. One where the rising tide has lifted all boats."- DRex in search of Utopia. If America in her past history isn't close enough for you, get in a rickety old boat and go look for your Marxist utopia elsewhere.

Happily Married said...

Blogger,

I did google it and, as I stated, it was a list of regurgitated conservative blogs that posted the misinformation. At least I had the temerity to not only read the policy, but do at least a little research. One of the articles as a result of the search actually admitted that a few Syrian Christians had been allowed in as refugees. I wonder if that makes sense given that Christian makes up LESS THAN 10% of Syrians - ya big dummy. I read the policy and reviewed the searches - did you? Or are you going to continue to hold in esteem your Fox news opinions - an organization where study after study has shown it is misinforming the general public. And you are referring to my intelligence? I also will note that no one has addressed my points about humanity - or guns or about our laws that have allowed terrorists to buy guns in this country. But Hell no - don't let Syrian children into this country. Mr. Preacher, I thought you had some decency and humanity. I guess I was wrong. What exactly would Jesus do in this situation? - since you are so big on the one and only point of it all. Dickson might be right about no one responding to my posts here.

Dickson said...

Here's the bottom line. France, the Nation just attacked, and the Nation we love to portray as cowards always in need of our rescue, is standing firm in their beliefs and the values they espouse. They aren't reacting and legislating out of fear. They've said they will continue to accept refugees in need... they're defending not only the French people, but the ideals of liberty, justice, and humanitarianism they hold dear.

But here in the U.S. Republican Governors whom you praise make a mockery of our ideals. While France holds true to the ideals inscribed on the statue they gifted us in 1886... These Governors betray America's promise to the world. They make a lie out of Lady Liberty as they bow to the will of the terrorists who want only for us to do exactly that... betray our own ideals and values out of fear. These Republicans tell the world that our proclamations of liberty and freedom for all can be justifiably ignored. These Governors make clear that the ideals and values of America as the great Nation protector for "Your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free" can be easily and quickly thrown away out of fear. They make the world believe that we will abandon our ideals rather than stand firm and fight for them.

Yet, despite this abandonment of one of our core ideals as a Nation, you will continue to defend these Governors... to defend a political party so willing to abandon that for which we stand in a moment of crisis.

Happily Married said...

Blogger,

Blogger, I have read the Breitbart article on the "no room at the Inn". The article clearly references the fact that out of 2098 refugees 53 have been Christian. Lets start with the fact that only 10% of Syrians are Christian - so stats say the number should be around 210. The article clearly articulates that Christians are afraid to tell the UN that they are, indeed, Christian. That means that they might be indicating that they are Muslim - which for every Christian that lies and indicates they are Muslim - the numbers are skewed by double. The fact that any Christians have been officially let in negates the notion that this administration is somehow discriminating against Christians. This is pure political nonsense that you have bought into hook line and sinker. You are better than that. Still looking for any response to any of my very valid points.

Sarkazein said...

Here's the bottom line. ISIS says they are mixing in ISIS fighters with the refugees and Syria is a terrorist state. The Leftists leave that little fact out and the little fact that many Americans do not have faith in Obama's government to make sure the refugees are not terrorists. It has nothing to do with hearts other than bleeding hearts. Notice Dickson and other Leftists make no mention of the most important fact... it is because they lie.

Sarkazein said...

Geraldo Rivera (sp) is a liberal's liberal with a sick ego not even matched by TRUMP. Today he went on a blood thirsty tirade about the killing of the ring leader of the Paris terrorist attack. I mean it was a blood thirsty tirade. His tirade fell just barely short of saying he wishes he could take the still beating heart out of the terrorist and eat it right in front of him. And the same for all the ISIS terrorists.
Why, you ask, did Geraldo (sp) say all that stuff... because HIS daughter was in the VACINITY of the attack. A liberal mugged as the old saying goes.

Sarkazein said...

Dickson wrote- " They aren't reacting and legislating out of fear. They've said they will continue to accept refugees in need... they're defending not only the French people, but the ideals of liberty, justice, and humanitarianism they hold dear."

The terrorists are already there due to their oversight. Catch the news sometime. A little late to pass laws or screen better the "refugees". I do believe they declared what is kin to Marshall Law there. You've got to watch the news every now and then... you should know these things before you rush to your keyboard to put on display your lack of knowledge of current events.

Sarkazein said...

The French allowed the Ayatollah Khomeini (sp) to hide out/to reside in Paris as a "refugee". He started it all. Way to go political correctness French style.

Happily Married said...

Sark,

I never lie - and I will acknowledge that ISIS has indicated that they plan to infiltrate refugees. they also just released a video indicating they plan to attack NYC. According to your logic - we should be evacuating the city. Just because a bad guy says he is going to do something - you don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. We have systems in place (currently 13 verification steps that takes approximately 2 years) and then security in the form of several agencies and police departments to handle the thousands that will get through the verification (said sarcastically). You are OK refusing refugees because you are heartless - and because your are a chicken shit that has already let the terrorist win by letting them drop our values in the face of fear. Still no response to why we are not doing more to prevent gun violence in this country - 6000 homicides last year alone - and you want to refuse refugees based on an attack in a very far away country that killed 130. Your logic is preposterous.

Dickson said...

Sarkazein,

My apologies. I always seem to forget to pay homage to your superior intellect and vastly superior ability to absorb and understand the news of the world. Why is it that you like to call people liars and hurl other insults at those expressing different opinions on here? Should we assume that these insults are meant to stand in place of reasonable and legitimate arguments?

So, moving on... "The terrorists are already there due to their oversight. Catch the news sometime. A little late to pass laws or screen better the "refugees"."

You, of course blame the French for this.. but there were terrorists in the US before 9/11 correct? Are you willing to blame the Bush administration for that? That shouldn't even be an ideological street for you given the wealth of information that has now come out regarding the multitude of warnings they ignored. I'm betting you won't though.

What happened to Geraldo is horrible. Any parent in the same situation, myself included, would feel the same bloodthirsty anger, rage, and fear. Are you saying that this anecdotal evidence of parental fear and concern from a father for his daughter should be the thing that drives national and international policy regarding refugees and terrorism?

If you think that abandoning American ideals in the face of terrorism and locking our doors to those in need will somehow stop terrorism you are sorely mistaken. In fact, the only thing these policies will accomplish is to make the US look weak... to show that we will abandon our ideals in the face of fear. These policies will only embolden the terrorists with the knowledge that they have gotten into our heads and made us fearful.

Isn't it odd that those you have repeatedly called weak, Obama and other liberals, now stand as the majority advocating that we not abandon America's values and her promises to the world in the face of terrorism. Where are all those tough, gun-toting, red-blooded Republicans who love to talk about how they'd take out the terrorists if they came here? This is the perfect opportunity for Republicans to be the heroes they claim to be. You can be the defender of American ideals and fend off the terrorist while saving real human beings in real need... or you can abandon those in need choosing instead to wall yourself off in the hopes that no terrorists will breach your perimeter. But if you do the latter, you can't ever claim that you did the first.

Sarkazein said...

Dickson wrote- "Isn't it odd that those you have repeatedly called weak, Obama and other liberals, now stand as the majority advocating that we not abandon America's values and her promises to the world in the face of terrorism."

Obama wouldn't know or be able to describe "America's values" unless he was reading them off a teleprompter. There is no way, ignoring threats as Clinton did when Alqaeda (sp) declared war on us in the Nineties, is an American value. Political correctness and all its dishonesty is not an American value.

Sarkazein said...

Heartless but not brainless.

Dickson said...

Here ya go... just read this speech from one of your fellow Republicans, Steve Russell from Oklahoma. He's a Combat Vet with 21 years of service to our Nation's Military.


https://scout.sunlightfoundation.com/item/speech/CREC-2015-11-18-pt1-PgH8350-2.chunk1/rep-steve-russell-isis-crisis

Sarkazein said...

The poem added to the Statue of Liberty in the early 1900's didn't say send me your radical Islamists and Jihadis to attack our American values. The poem was posted near where LEGAL immigration of people who, at the time for the most part, had sponsors and were not handed welfare checks and debit cards on arrival.
Pervert the meaning of "American Values" all you want, it's your right.

Dickson said...

Sure... because after all, just as all German Jews seeking asylum in the 1930s and 40s were really Nazi spies disguised as regular men, women, and children, so too are all Syrian refugees really terrorists.

Sarkazein said...

Reading Dickson's stretch of a defense of Geraldo's "I am a mugged liberal" tirade is a whole 'nuther story. It reminds me of the liberal's defense of Hillary in her roll as rape and molestation of women enabler.

Blogger said...

Boston Bombers as refugees. The left wing Huffington Post says they were not refugees. Papers like the Washington Post say they were. Before Congress, the person in charge of refugees said she didn’t know (Because it benefits this administration to lie about it, their track record of lying, makes her response suspicious.) The left wing Snopes finesses it by saying their father brought them in on a visa, after which he applied for and was granted asylum. That makes them refugees to me.

Sarkazein said...

FRANCE has taken in at least 200 suspected Jihadists since the Paris attack through Marshall Law.

If one of you bleeding hearts was a Frenchman sitting in a cafe during the shootings, would you be happy about your inability to carry a firearm in France or as the terrorists is working his way toward you, would you wish you had a gun?



Blogger said...

I won’t fault Hillary for calling them radical jihadists today and not say Muslim. If anyone remembers I suggested that term way back. The reasons are obvious. We don’t want to start a war with Islam. Americans would not support such a war for many different reasons.

That does not mean that the war in the heavenlies isn’t going on between a powerful middle eastern elohim and Yahweh who pushed him violently from his territory. That violent war will go on until the end times. Meanwhile Christians will be doing what we are trained to do. Following St. Paul “This is not a wrestling match against a human opponent. We are wrestling with rulers, authorities, the powers who govern this world of darkness, and spiritual forces that control evil in the heavenly world.” (Eph 6:12)

Wolf's Head said...

What ever is written on the Statue of Liberty it is not a founding document of our country or government.

If the left is all for "open borders" how about letting in white Europeans? They have been discriminated against for decades.

And HM, I hope you and the "gay" community enjoy all the perks of Islam. How's you're flying lessons going?

Sarkazein said...

It is Obama, a radical Leftist, who heartlessly and brainlessly left the Syrians in the lurch by ignoring the American value of not making threats then hiding like a scared little girl for months hoping the PRESS would give him a pass.

Happily Married said...

Wolf,

I'm not sure why you think I am part of the gay community. I have been "Happily Married" since long before that equal right was legally provided to all and I am heterosexual. Ironically enough, I am also not Syrian. In both cases, I am not one of them - if you want to use labels such as sexual orientation or nationality. I am one of them - in the most important way - I am human. When any human suffers, we all suffer. I have and will fight for those who need fighting for - if only for the reason that I might need someone to fight for me. I am not sure why you think I - or the "gay" community would be given perks of Islam. I live in the land of the free - including freedom of religion - and I have no intention of becoming Islam. Not sure about the flying lesson reference.

Blogger, since you would not answer what Jesus would do - fine - what would Paul do regarding Syrian refugees. Seems to me you have lost your humanity - Christian based or not.

Do you know that some Republican politician actually said he did not want Syrian refugees here because it is too easy to obtain guns in this country. That's rich - it is too easy for the bad guy to get a gun in this country - so screw the huddled masses. I hope you read the link to the speech from Steve Russell. A Republican with a heart - and a brain.

Blogger said...

Dickson most Americans want to either not bringing them in or at least pause and take a breath and see where we are. You seem to imply that most Americans are as wide eyed naïve as you.

Blogger said...

Covuto just observed that the president says he can’t arm the Syrians because we can’t vet them. But he knows that all the refugees are o.k.

Happily Married said...

Covuto is as much of a dullard as you regarding this. Refugees ARE vetted prior to entering this country - in a process that has thirteen steps and takes up to two years - as has been pointed out in this thread. What does that look like from an arming program? "We have begun an arming program for Syrian rebels. The program will put weapons in the hands of the rebels to aid in fighting this war - IN TWO YEARS."

If you don't see the difference, you might need to stop commenting on this thread.

Sarkazein said...

Throngs coming across our borders illegally, "refugees" from countries who celebrated in the streets after 911.. what could go wrong.
Where is the UN? Why do we give them billions every year? They are as useless as Obama... almost.

Sarkazein said...

HM- It is too easy for terrorists to take flight lessons and plan crimes in this open society too... a good reason to keep them out. A good reason to keep illegal aliens out also. Being a free American comes with a responsibility. You be the "dullard" because you don't know that.

Sarkazein said...

HM- If you re-read Wolf'sHead's comment, you can easily see he did not say you were "gay".

Anonymous said...

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/03/what-isis-really-wants/384980/

Happily Married said...

Sark,

I never said let terrorists in. Thirteen different vetting steps that takes up to to years is not "throwing the door open" to terrorists. I understand the responsibilities of being a free American. One of them is to understand our past and appreciate that we were all once immigrants or refugees. The quote on the statue of liberty might not be codified - but it represents who we are - or at least who we should be. The House voted to suspend. France will still welcome refugees. So the house is basically saying that the Country of France is more humane and less chickenshit than America. Thanks, House.

Still no response to the fact that terrorist have bought guns in this country - LEGALLY and a Texas politician does not want any refugees here because "it is too easy to buy guns".

Sarkazein said...

Another Muslim terrorist attack with Americans as victims. I guess Obama's and the liberal's public display of their shame of America and our history just hasn't been quite enough yet to stop the Muslim extremist's hate of us. Try more apologies and excepting of more people into America who would prefer Sharia Law as 51% of Muslims here would.
Obama hates Conservatives and Republicans (obviously from his rhetoric) more than people who prefer Sharia Law over the US Constitution and their extremists. He should try burning an American flag and an effigy of Uncle Sam to fit in better with his base and to torch the White House himself, rather than wait on ISIS's threat, to show his bleeding heart cares. Damn those Republicans.

Sarkazein said...

Happy wrote- "Still no response to the fact that terrorist have bought guns in this country - LEGALLY and a Texas politician does not want any refugees here because "it is too easy to buy guns".

Yes I did, almost 2 hours before your claim that I didn't. Liar.

Happily Married said...

Sark,

I have reviewed all posts and see nothing. Please point it out - time, date stamp.

Sarkazein said...

Dullard- 5:49 PM

Happily Married said...

Sark,

So your quip about it "being easy to plan crimes" somehow addresses the fundamental problem that it is too easy to buy guns in this country, that 2000 terrorists have already bought guns LEGALLY in this country, that people are so worried about a terrorist getting through the net without considering the thousands of very bad people in this country that have the same open ended rights to do any of these things. To suggest that Syrians are have more bad in them than Americans is racist and xenophobic. But then again, you are a xenophobe. And I notice how your quip seems to indicate that you think it is OK that 2000 people on the terrorists watch list have LEGALLY purchased guns. Wow - just wow.

Sarkazein said...

Happy- Allow me to explain. A responsibility comes with being a free man in a free and open society. The "ease" of getting a gun is a G_d given right for a free man in a free society. Your choice would be to give up that right. The Congressman knows we are not going to give up that right so the government must keep enemies foreign and domestic out. If he were a bleeding heart liberal he would say what you say instead.
When do you officially declare (tell the truth) that you are a liberal?

Happily Married said...

When do you officially declare that you are a xenophobe? See one name does not a person make. I have declared many times that I am fiscally conservative but socially liberal. As a gun owner with a CC I would never advocate the confiscation of America's guns - so no - you are dead wrong - I would never choose giving up that right - but would suggest that we could do a better job of keeping them out of the nutball's hands. Does that make me liberal or liberal - lite. I also do not believe that just because you have somehow made it to this country, that you should then be absolutely free to wreak havoc. I do not believe that American evil is any better - or worse than ISIS evil when it comes to killing a bunch of people. When are you going to declare you are a hypocrite? It seems pretty hypocritical of me to deny entrance to refugees, but admit visitors, tourists, allow anyone in the country to buy a freaking gun - just because you want to support US#2. I fully support conservatives platforms that actually benefit all of society - there are just more liberal approaches than conservative that will end up in the overall betterment of man. So no - I do not subscribe to the black and white notion that one word will define me - that approach is indicative of simple mindedness. Yes, I have liberal tendencies, but I am an American first and foremost - and you and Blogger are giving American's a bad name.

Sarkazein said...

HM wrote- "To suggest that Syrians are (sic) have more bad in them than Americans is racist and xenophobic."

Syria is a terrorist country. I am sure you think America is too. Syrian is not a race, as you say, it is a nationality. To be a/an xenophobe, I would have to fear all foreigners. I like the Brits, the Aussies, the Scots, the Irish, the Tahitians, the Costa Ricans, the Mexicans, the Russians, the Chinese, the Taiwanese, the Japanese, the Hungarians, a few Canadians, the Bahamians, the Cubans, the Panamanians, the Tibetans,...

You hardcore 99.9% liberals need to learn what the words you say, mean.

Sarkazein said...

oops, I left out Israelis.

Happily Married said...

So I ask you to respond and the only thing you can muster is that I misused the term xenophobe. That's fine. I will give you that one. Given that, please respond. I dare you.

I am hearing more and more that the initial reaction was so very fear based and that, when the emotion is removed, maybe we need to reconsider. I have seen the meme about "I lock my doors - not because I hate those on the outside - but because I love those on the inside". Useless garbage in terms of comparisons. Now assume your neighborhood was under siege with armed gunmen roaming the street and shooting going on every minute. Then imagine some women and children knocking on your door asking for some safe refuge from the gunfire. That's the correct comparison. You are jellyfish - with no heart - and given your impulse to emotion - no sensibilities. Respond to my comment. Understand that many have analyzed the situation and determined that sneaking in as a refugee would be the most difficult way to sneak in - and the futility would be short lived - that there would be easier ways. Remind me of your high and mighty cowardice of knee jerk reaction. Your self preservation reaction is not only bad for the country, and the world, it is not very Christian. Blogger, what say you? Obama seems to be the only one with any balls.

Sarkazein said...

You got xenophobe wrong and you got the meaning of racist wrong. Where did anyone other than you mention "fear"? In reality, if you go back and look what all the Republicans said, and then what you said, you will realize it is you who based your initial reaction in emotion. In fact, you constantly use the word "heart" which is a term used to show emotion. That is unless you are talking about pumping blood all over them. Your last comment is 99.9% 99.9% liberal emotion. So you have that wrong also.

A typical judgmental 99.9% liberal passing judgment on why someone locks their doors. In your liberal utopia, would one not be allowed to lock his doors?
As to your question about the Syrian woman and her children coming to my door seeking refuge as the Islamic extremists or illegal alien gang bangers are shooting up my street... I would make her show me she wasn't wearing a suicide bomb and that she hadn't strapped one on to her children. It's not fear, it's that I don't want to have to cleanup after her.

Democratus Rex said...

"To be a/an xenophobe, I would have to fear all foreigners. I like....."

Ok then, you are not a xenophobe. You are a bigot. I know what that word means.

Sarkazein said...

big·ot·ry/ˈbiɡətrē/
noun
intolerance toward those who hold different opinions from oneself.


I would say you, HappilyMarried, LiberalPOV and Dickson are mega-bigots... OH! and Obama, the bigot's bigot.


Sarkazein said...

DRex- Look at the MacDaddy bigot on this thread other than your bigotry towards Christianity--- HM has called people who have different opinions than him - "asshole", dullard", "coward", "xenophobe" and other bigot inspired names just in this thread.

Democratus Rex said...

I don't have intolerance/bigotry to christianity. I don't believe it.

Sarkazein said...

Sure you have intolerance/bigotry. HM's intolerance and bigotry wants to restrict religious practice to behind closed doors or in church. Your disrespect, like not capitalizing Christianity, and calling the Bible a fairy tale is hate speech from deep-seeded bigotry. Freedom from religion is bigotry where freedom of religion is tolerance.

Sarkazein said...

The difference is, Conservatives don't care about your bigotry because of their strength in their beliefs.

Sarkazein said...

HM's bigotry is so strong, he wished for the early deaths of those who did not agree with his opinion. He has gone past even political segregation and on to the final solution for those who disagree with him just as the Socialists/Fascists in history.

Democratus Rex said...

I suppose you have respect/tolerance for islam? Try not to qualify your response.

Democratus Rex said...

I am bigoted to conservative, tea party types. Of that, I am guilty and will have to live with the burden on my conscience.

Sarkazein said...

Don't qualify it DRex... you're a bigot.

Democratus Rex said...

My cross to bear.

Sarkazein said...

I have no respect for it now because the billions who are said to not be Jihadists should have long since come together and defeated the growing Jihadist movement within their religion.
I don't have respect for Islam because of Sharia Law and its treatment of women and children. Over 50% of Muslims here would prefer Sharia Law over the US Constitution.

Democratus Rex said...

What percentage of christians would prefer the ten commandments over the Constitution? Does that garner any less respect from you?

I think, too, that you pull all of your statistics out of some tea-party thin air. And like religion, no basis in fact.

Sarkazein said...

There it goes! The liberal's display of the COMPLETE inability too discern.

Democratus Rex said...

How so?

Sarkazein said...

A person who lives by the Ten Commandments lives honestly under the US Constitution. You would have to scrap the US Constitution if Sharia was the law of the land.
Google the question about muslims in America preferring Sharia. Watch the actual videos. YOU won't believe it until Obama whispers it in your ear... so what's the point.

"FOR THE STUPID AT HEART CLICK HERE

Sarkazein said...

The president of the liberal Democrats continues to divide this country by insulting at least 50% of US citizens while he is speaking from foreign soil.
I have two 3 ideas for big money makers on Pay-Per_View.

1. Putin and Obama in a cage match. I would pay for front row seats

2. TRUMP getting a regular man's haircut.

3. The pussy Obama accepting Senator Ted Cruz's challenge to a debate.

Democratus Rex said...

"A person who lives by the Ten Commandments lives honestly under the US Constitution. You would have to scrap the US Constitution if Sharia was the law of the land."

Oh, please. This IS a plural society. What does the ten commandments have to do with the Constitution, anyway.

Sarkazein said...

DRex- You can live equally as a Christian or a Jew or a Buddhist or even A Muslim in the US because of the US Constitution. If the law of the land was Sharia Law, you could not.

Democratus Rex said...

"If the law of the land was Sharia Law, you could not. "

FYI, sharia law is not now, nor ever will be, the law of the land. And, in case you still need to ruminate over absurd hypotheticals; If a frog had wings, it wouldn't bump it's ass when it hopped.

Sarkazein said...

I'm done, go renew your oath to the queen.

Wolf's Head said...

Sharia law will soon be enforced in the Muslim suburbs of Detroit, if it isn't already.

Democratus Rex said...

Nope.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/satire/sharia.asp

Sarkazein said...

Happens here too

Happily Married said...

Sark and Wolf's Head,

There you go assuming things because they fit you twisted way of thinking. Sharia is not any law of this land - nor is it in danger of being so. This typical fear response - typical conservative fear response.
Sark, the words you indicated I used (although I could not find where I called someone an asshole in this thread)that show I am a bigot have been used by many of the conservative posters on this blog. I guess were all bigots in some shape form or fashion if that is the case. More importantly, no one has ever addressed my challenge that 2000 guns have been purchased legally in this country by those that are actively on the terror watch list. Why would you not be more afraid of that reality than letting in refugees?
Condoleeza rice and John McCain have both indicated this fear of refugees is ridiculous. Many have reviewed the issue and agree that coming in as a refugee is the worst way for a terrorist to come in. Why not simply admit that the initial reaction was knee jerk and fear based and, having a better understanding of all the dynamics, the refugee bill was a mistake?
Blogger, My pastor sent out an e-mail with many biblical versus that would support taking in the refugees. What does your Bible say?

Sarkazein said...

HappilyBigoted- I will try and make my point clearer to you as I have given up on DRex concerning the high percentage of Muslim immigrants HERE wanting Shari'ah Law here. Just the fact that they want it is bad.
This country does not need people here who want to live by a law of the land that is 180 degree opposed to the US Constitution.
No one said that Shari'ah is the law of the land here. The only way it is practiced here is by vigilantes. I am talking 50% want it. Read Shari'ah before you decide whether or no you would want so many people here wanting it.

You and Obama and DRex and other known liberals make these weird statements like Obama's latest saying half the people in the US are afraid of women and children and 3 year old orphans. He knows that to not be true in the way he worded it, but his position is so weak he has to say it that way. Hillary says "we are not at war with Islam" yet no one said we were. It's the same with illegal immigration always being referred to as "immigration". This is the dishonesty of the Left.

Blogger said...

HM You asked me what my Bible says in regard to the Syrian refugees. If you had not asked I would have never said, because I know you won’t like it. But you asked, so I will.

My Bible is written by the Jews and about the Jews and to the Jews. My Bible has two parts–from Genesis through the Gospel of John, there are two themes. One is about Yahweh and the Jews relationship with each other The second is between the Jews and each other. As to the first, Yahweh and His Chosen, they were not to have anything to do with any other elohim (gods) nor the people who worshiped them, period. It was the greatest sin they could commit and several times nearly led to their total destruction.

As to the second part, the way they should treat one another, the Four Gospels are dedicated to Jesus’ explaining to them how they had failed and why He was leaving them. It was not addressed to or about outsiders.

The second part of my Bible begins at Pentecost. Here again there is no evidence that the new Christians had anything to do with outsiders. They only fed the widows and orphans of their fellow believers. The offerings they collected were only for the mother church in Jerusalem. The only dealings they had with outsiders was to offer to deliver them from the damage done to them by the elohims.

Bottom line, they would never, never, let in Syrian Muslims unless they converted. Nothing in their thousands of years of history would have told them to do that. In fact the message was the very opposite.

Sarkazein said...

According to HM, religion should not enter into any governmental decisions (immigration) anyway, I wonder why she asks. Liberal Bible thumping.

Sarkazein said...

NEIL MUNRO24 Nov 20152,149
Sen. Jeff Sessions (R-AL)82%
is out with a list of 12 vetted refugees who quickly joined jihad plots to attack the United States.

He’s spotlighting the refugees-turned-jihadis because he’s trying to prod GOP leaders into halting Congress’ normal practice of giving the president huge leeway to import foreign migrants and refugees into the United States.

This year, Obama is promising to bring in an extra 10,000 low-skill, potentially difficult-to-integrate Syrian migrants into the United States. Sessions and other critics fear he’ll use his many powers — and Congress’ autopilot funding for refugee programs — to bring in far more than 10,000 migrants.


If Obama is successful at stopping global warming, there will be no more Jihadis. And they can finally take those jobs the State Department wants them to have... actually, this is not funny anymore.

Anonymous said...

Saw an interesting fact the other day. Here's a list of all the Arab countries accepting Syrian refugees:
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Sarkazein said...

Remember how the Arab countries chased the "Palestinians" out of their own countries.