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Friday, November 6, 2015

What We Try to Explain to Brain Damaged Libs on This Blog

97 comments:

Anonymous said...

Blogger

There had been three decades of redistribution of wealth from the middle class and the poor to the very rich.
Let's have mandatory unions repersenting labor and see the real value of labor in America. Let's demand major corporations pay a living wage so the America taxpayer doesn't have to supplement the below skave wage for a fast food or Walmart worker's family to have life's basic needs of food,clothing and shelter.
Republicans want to blame all problems on those without wealth or political power.

Nobody said...

"Republicans want to blame all problems on those without wealth or political power."

No, Republicans put the blame squarely where it belongs -- on liberals.

How can "wealth" be redistributed from the poor to the rich? If the poor had wealth to be redistributed, they wouldn't be poor, they would be rich. Idiot.

Wolf's Head said...

Open minds are easily filled with s##t.

Anonymous said...

Preach it Brother Wolf!!

Anonymous said...

Nobody

Wealth can be redistributed from poor to the wealthy with legislation giving tax cuts to the rich while raising fees on the poor, reducing unemployment benefits, cutting funding to public education, union busting laws, and failing to raise the minimum wage.

Anonymous said...

Nobody

Other ways income is redistributed from the poor to the wealthy is with lacks usury laws, allowing Corporate Pay Day loans businesses to prey on the poor, excessive late fees by utilities companies, increased interest and insurance rates, for the poor and banking practices of applying a fee when the checking account drops below a minimum balance trigging an over draft, which triggers an additional fee.

Anonymous said...

Wolf

I don't think anyone is going to accuse you or fellow conservatives of being open minded or visionaries.

Nobody said...

"Wealth can be redistributed from poor to the wealthy with legislation giving tax cuts to the rich..."

What a load of BS! What you are really saying is, "Not ENOUGH wealth and income is being taken from one group to be given to another group for doing absolutely nothing to earn it!" That is NOT redistribution -- it is confiscation. It is theft, conducted by the government and idiot liberals like you. Having grown up VERY poor, I know that what lifts people out of poverty is personal effort, responsible decision-making and self-sacrifice. This country is (for now) still a land of opportunity. You would turn it into a third-world cesspool of leeches and destroy what opportunity there is.

Everything in your other post discusses irresponsible behavior by "the poor," which might explain WHY they are poor. Pay day loans? Don't take them and live within your means! Overdrafting your checking account? Don't do it! Late fees by utilities? Pay your bills on time! You continue to advocate rewarding irresponsible behaviors and punishing other people for being responsible and making good decisions. Idiot.

Anonymous said...

Nobody

What lifts people out of poverty is money, money for a honest day's work, money to fund opportunity in the form of world class public education, job skills training, affordable health care, affordable child care, public transportation that's easily affordable and accessible.

The working poor don't have to overdraft their accounts the bank will do that from them with fees.
The working poor find it very difficult top live within their means when they are paid half of a living wage by some of the largest and richest multination corporations. When life's basic needs of rent, transportation, utilities, food cost more than their income. Unionize America's work force and we will see what the true value of labor is in America.

Wolf's Head said...

"Wolf

I don't think anyone is going to accuse you or fellow conservatives of being open minded or visionaries." nony

I appreciate not being called "open minded" (that is, gullible). I unfortunately AM a visionary as I can see your progress in destroying our civilization.

It ain't purdy.

GO BERNIE! LET'S TRY A WHITE COMMUNIST THIS TIME!

Wolf's Head said...

"What lifts people out of poverty is money, money for a honest day's work, money to fund opportunity in the form of world class public education, job skills training, affordable health care, affordable child care, public transportation that's easily affordable and accessible. " nonyass

HAHAHAHA!!!!

Tell it to the 94 MILLION Americans who have left the workforce under obama's regime.

That's a larger population than Germany and Austria COMBINED!

Progressives know about work like vampires know about daylight.

VOTE FOR MORE OLD WHITE DEMS IN 2016!

Sarkazein said...

The working poor should all move to the union city of Detroit. You can buy a house for less than $100.

Sarkazein said...

A story from the life and times of Sarkazein. In the early Sixties, my father decided he wanted to get out of the business he was in. He ran an add in the Orlando newspaper under 'employment wanted'. Someone soon answered his ad and an interview was set up at a local restaurant as the employer was from out of town. After a couple of interviews, my father was offered a big job in Paris France. He made the announcement to the family. Out of his 5 kids (my brothers and sisters) and my mother, only my older sister (13 at the time) was all excited about going. She was beside herself in glee. Back then, you could say it made her gay. My father soon developed a suspicion about the new employer. This was before the computer, so background check was not easy. He got suspicious enough that he went to the Orland Police bunco division. They set up a sting and sure enough the "employer" was running a con.
My father announced the bad news to the family. My older sister could not understand why he didn't just take the job anyway. After all it was in Paris! We, her younger brother Mom and Dad, tried without success to explain that there was no job in Paris, it was a fake. She is the only Liberal I know of in our family. Still today, in her Sixties, she regrets that my dad didn't take that big job in Paris. She's for Bernie.

$18,000,000,000,000 in debt and the liberals still think we can afford everything welfare-wise. You can't explain anything to them.

Democratus Rex said...

Pointless anecdote.

How much of the debt you speak of is accountable to two wars and an unnecessary and unproductive tax cut for the "job creators"?

Nobody said...

What liberals really mean (as exemplified by idiot LibPOV/anonymous, the liar) is, people do not have true liberty. They do not "own" themselves or their own efforts. If a person works hard, saves, and becomes successful, the fruits of their labors and sacrifice are not theirs. It belongs to the "government" to "redistribute," normally to people who make poor decisions, refuse to sacrifice and save, and then turn to liberals who make "pie-in-the-sky" promises of "free" healthcare, child care, college education and a "living wage." Want the IPhone 6? Buy it, and let the government give you food, shelter, clothing and everything else you need. Why be responsible, when liberals promise to take care of you, and only in exchange for something as cheap as a vote.

Facts are not on your side. If you confiscate every single dollar earned by people making over $1 million a year -- and I mean TAKE EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR THEY MAKE AND LEAVE THEM NOTHING FROM THEIR INCOME -- you get enough money to fund government for about 70 days AT THE CURRENT RATE OF SPENDING. If you confiscate every single dollar earned by people making over $200,000, you get enough to fund the government for about six months! To fund government at its current spending level, you would have to confiscate every dollar made by every person that makes $100,000 or more. Question: what will those people then do the next year when they see that every dollar they earn will be taken by the government? When they refuse to work for free, who do you tax? Do you FORCE them to work, knowing they will not be allowed to earn any money? I think that's called slavery.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2012/12/how_much_taxation_would_fund_current_spending.html

Liberalism is tyranny. It seeks to make productive people slaves to non-productive people, and non-productive people slaves to government largesse. Liberal politicians use the rhetoric of "helping the poor" to gain political power to enrich themselves, and the unthinking masses (LibPOV/anonymous) are too stupid to see through the lies, even as Bill and Hillary Clinton become so wealthy as to be, not only in the top 1% of income earners, but in the top half of the top 1%. Where is the anger at the Clintons? They gained their wealth, not by employing thousands of people at a "living wage," or providing useful goods to millions, but through "government" -- the same government that is supposed to be the solution to all the problems of "the poor." Looks to me like there are still poor people, but the Clintons are certainly richer after their time in government...

Blogger said...

Nobody, I hope you know that what you write is awesome. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

It's also hysterical BS.

Blogger said...

Anonymous and other libs on this blog. When you put together the comments of Nobody with the clip by Cavuto, common sense alone should kick in for you. Sometimes I wonder if you were so brain washed by some sophomoric professor that you are just mentally frozen in time. Other times I can’t help wondering if when you post, you are just pulling our leg. There has to be times when you read this blog and you reflect on how liberal policies effect you personally, that you say to yourself, “In my heart of heart, I know they are right.” Just being honest with yourself doesn’t hurt you know.

Anonymous said...

Nobody and Blogger

Nobody notices mid sentence the objectives of Liberal public policy makes too much sense and has to add fiction to make an argument "Want the IPhone 6? Buy it, and let the government give you food, shelter, clothing and everything else you need" What Liberal really advocate is for workers to be paid a living wage so they not only can buy their own food, shelter and clothing but also contribute to the general tax revenue along with other citizens.
What would the "Good Christian" Conservatives do, let children of the poor go without food, shelter or education?
Workers with money in their pockets generate economic growth much faster and more effectively than tax cuts for the rich. America needs massive infrastructure construction, which will generate jobs, and tax revenue. I don't hear conservatives whining about for profit prisons, CEO income or Military waste.
Liberals believe all citizens should be productive and no life should be wasted because funds are not available for job training or education. Liberals have vision, goals and want a better future. Conservatives want to blame those without wealth or political power all that is not right.

guy faulkes said...

A job is worth a finite amount of money as a wage. If you force an employer to pay above this amount he will either have to eliminate the job or lose money to the point he cannot remain in business.

If one wants to be paid more, then all one has to do is to make his efforts worth more to his employer. An entry level job is just that. To think one could stay in it and be compensated for more than the job is worth is ridiculous.

Anonymous said...

Guy

You're okay with subsidizing America's largest corporations by providing food and housing to their workers at taxpayer expense?
Lets unionize those workers and see what the real value of labor is at Walmart or fast food industry.
Republicans are alway on the side of the rich at the expense of the working poor.

Sarkazein said...

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Sarkazein said...

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Sarkazein said...

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Anonymous said...

Sark

Sell that fear, bigotry and hate Sark, one of those photos has been posted over and over on every right wing hate blog for years.

Sarkazein said...

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Wolf's Head said...

"You're okay with subsidizing America's largest corporations by providing food and housing to their workers at taxpayer expense?" nony ass

I'm not.

The dems are the ones who started the govt gimmie programs to subsidize their corporate cronies and entitlement base.

Nobody said...

Blogger, Thank you. I enjoy these little writing exercises!

Anonymous/LibPOV/Liar,
No response to the FACTS I discussed? How do you provide all of the things you seek given the FACT that the rich simply don't earn enough to fund your foolish pipe dreams? You live in a fantasy world! As Guy stated so well, a job is only worth a certain amount of money. Force a business to pay significantly more to a worker than the job is worth then that business will have to drastically increase the prices of its goods and services (canceling out the increase in wages for the worker who buys those goods and services) or the business will cease to make a profit and shut down (eliminating the jobs entirely!). Look to the unionized states to our north to see what I mean. Unions drove wages unrealistically high, and the effect was to send prices skyward and shut down what was once a vigorous manufacturing economy. There's a nickname for that area of the country -- the rust belt, a term referring to the MANY closed factories and automotive plants. And you're too stupid to learn from history. You would follow the same actions everywhere else. The results would be the same -- continue driving prices higher for those people who can keep a job and destroy jobs entirely for the rest.

In the end, it falls to the individual to make themselves desirable in the labor marketplace. Those words and phrases I keep mentioning but, with you, continue to fall on deaf (or dumb -- as in stupid) ears. Personal responsibility. Self-sacrifice. Work ethic. Delayed gratification. Perhaps you refuse to accept them because it is so much easier to blame "the rich" or "conservatives."

Liberal politicians and liberal idiots like you and DRex aren't interested in these things. You are filled with envy and animosity and HATE. You see someone who is successful and see an evil person, not someone who has worked hard and saved and now enjoys the fruits of their own labor. And you think that electing a liberal politician like Obama or Hillary will fix the problems. Tell me -- you sing the praises of the Obama recovery, but if he has done such a great job, why are the poor still needing help? You can't have it both ways! You can't claim that Obama's economic policies have been a smashing success while simultaneously crying about the state of the poor in this country! You can't see that liberal politicians are the ultimate practitioners of the oldest scam in history -- using political power and the votes of idiots like you to win elections, become "well-connected," and then turn those connections into personal wealth, all while promising to be truly concerned about "the people." Example: Bill and Hillary Clinton. Source of wealth? "Speaking fees," book deals, donations from foreign governments to their "foundation."

You say you wish conservatives would argue with facts. I have done so above. You, unfortunately, never argue with any facts. You only repeatedly toss out buzzwords and empty phrases with no concrete meaning. You argue with emotion, not logic and facts. When trounced, as you were by my previous post, the best you can muster in response is, "It hysterical BS." What brilliance, sir!

Nobody said...

You said, "What Liberal really advocate is for workers to be paid a living wage so they not only can buy their own food, shelter and clothing but also contribute to the general tax revenue along with other citizens."

Define "living wage." Give us a number. How much an hour. And if prices rise dramatically in response to the increase in wages (which they will -- it's economics 101), will you later claim that the "living wage" will need to be increased again? Are you so stupid as to realize there will never be an end to the cycle you begin? What will you do when businesses fail because they can no longer make a profit or see their sales fall dramatically because of the higher prices and jobs disappear? A truly look forward to your CLEAR AND DIRECT ANSWERS TO THESE SPECIFIC QUESTIONS.

guy faulkes said...

Nobody, it is useless to ty to educate the dolt. He is both intellectually and emotionally unable to understand the lessons of history,

Dickson said...

This is perhaps the funniest thing I've read in a long time. I'll just highlight one or two of the funniest lines in no particular order:

Nobody also said, "Define "living wage." Give us a number." - Tell me where the person lives, the average cost of a 2 bedroom apartment, the cost of public transportation if available, the general cost of living for that particular area, the cost of daycare, medical costs, insurance costs, and so on and so forth and I'll give you a number. Nobody acts like this is rocket science that's just incomprehensible. A living wage in NY, NY will be a lot more than a living wage in Boone, NC. Go take a look on Zillow at the cost of housing in NY if you don't believe me. If a person cannot work a 40 hour week and support themselves without financial assistance, then they aren't earning a living wage for their area.

Sticking with Nobody, he says, "if prices rise dramatically in response to the increase in wages (which they will -- it's economics 101)" - Not sure where you took economics Nobody, but you should get your money back. The middle-class drives the economy. Raising the minimum wage raises the "floor" which has a ripple effect on income throughout the entire income spectrum. The rich business owners get even richer because many, many more people can now afford their products. You may pay a thousand employees $5-10 per hour more but if 500,000 more people around the country can now afford to buy your products at a $10 profit margin, I think you'll be ok.

You guys really need to take some critical thinking classes or something. You praise the CEO and business owner for "working hard" and their "work ethic". Yet the guy that works his ass off, shows up day after day and still doesn't have enough to get by is apparently somehow less valuable to you... he just needs to work harder right? Have a better work ethic perhaps. Maybe, like here in NC where we're blessed with a GOP supermajority, he just needs to pay WAY more in state taxes... that'll allow him to pick himself up by his bootstraps right? You'll seemingly fight to the death to defend the CEOs, but the little guy trying to make it to the next level? To hell with that guy. Exactly how do you think the next rags to riches billionaire is going to arrive if they can't even make it to the middle-class level? In 2013, 5 executives at BCBSNC made over a million dollars each. One made close to 2 million. That's fine... they worked to get where they're at I suppose... but you defend them while giving the guy just trying to make it the middle finger? You somehow seem to think that if those guys made only $800,000 each and raised their employees' salaries that would be catastrophic?

You guys complain about people on Medicaid but defend the Wal-Mart Execs and owners that literally make and have billions... while many, many of their employees can't even afford health insurance and end up on Medicaid. Mostly though, you guys screw yourselves and everyone around you. I can't think of a single person who didn't get shafted with NC taxes for the last year. Granted, I'm not hanging out at the country club much these days, maybe you guys are sitting on the manicured lawn right now sipping an appletini at this very moment. I personally got jacked for close to 6 grand in state taxes. 6 F$*%ing Grand. Maybe you think that the middle-class and below getting jacked for that kind of money is just peachy... it'll help the economy right? Do you see jobs flooding into NC? Hell no. NC's lagging behind the rest of the Nation in job creation and economic growth. Use your heads... if the vast majority of NC citizens have less money to spend, will they be buying more of your beloved businesses' products or less? Will those companies be making more or less as a result?

Dickson said...

By the way... this might help you guys understand living wages...


http://livingwage.mit.edu

Sarkazein said...

Dickson- It is your type of thinking, worded any way you want to word it, making the poor poorer and the rich richer.

Sarkazein said...

Dicksonomics drove capital offshore, manufacturing offshore, inspired millions to be proud of being on welfare and disability, and turned the American dream into a thing of the past..... pre-Great Society... pre-Dicksonomics.
Opening the border and sanctuary cities caused wages to fall and welfare to rise... Dicksonomics.

Anonymous said...

Conservatives

I want to thank Dickens for a very thoughtful reply to nobody.
I leave you this quote from Martin Luther King. "I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have: three meals a day for their bodies, - education and culture for their minds - and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits" Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
This one also seems to apply to today's NC GOP.
"The abuse of buying and selling votes crept in and money began to play an important part in determining elections. Later on, this process of corruption spread to the law courts. And then to the army, and finally the Republic was subjected to the rule of emperors" - Plutarch - Historian of the Roman Republic

Sarkazein said...

And where did MLK Jr say he believed the government should supply these three meals? He spoke of opportunity... not government welfare. Where did he say his people should become wards of the state? Nowhere! You sully his reputation with your bleeding heart.

Nobody said...

Dickson,
Your lengthy and rather angry post proves my point. You display a lot of anger and envy, but you don't actually discuss a lot of facts. I took economics at ASU. Where did you? Is it your contention, then, that if a business currently operating at a 10% profit margin (and you apparently do NOT understand the difference between net profit and profit margin, idiot), if forced to raise the salaries of their employees 100% (let's say from $7.25 to the often-tossed-out number of $15.00 will NOT have to raise the prices of their goods or services? Or if they don't, that they will somehow magically continue to make a profit? What idiocy! And raising the minimum wage doesn't "raise the floor" as you put it -- it actually compresses MORE people at the minimum wage. You are naive if you think that if the minimum wage is raised from $7.25 to $15.00, that everyone who was making $14.25 an hour will be given a corresponding wage to $22.00 and hour. No, MORE people will find themselves at the minimum wage. And with the increase in prices, the end result will ultimately be the erosion of the purchasing power of even more people. Also, did you see what some McDonald's have begun to do -- instead of employing people to work the counters, they are beginning to introduce order kiosks -- place your order on a touchscreen, pay with your debit/credit card. This is a move being driven by the demand for $15.00 wages for unskilled labor. You are seemingly ignorant of the ECONOMIC FACT that the largest cost for any business is labor.

Then, I LOVE this part: "Tell me where the person lives, the average cost of a 2 bedroom apartment, the cost of public transportation if available, the general cost of living for that particular area, the cost of daycare, medical costs, insurance costs, and so on and so forth and I'll give you a number." So if the location matters, why do we have a federal minimum wage? How can you legislate a "living wage" if a "living wage" varies from place to place? Should there be a federal standard, or should minimum wage laws ONLY be state/local? If they should only be state/local, you should support the immediate end to a federal minimum wage! But I'll play -- tell me the living wage for Watauga County, and then for Alleghany County.

Finally, seems to me like you're angry about your state taxes. You actually hit upon something, there. Thanks for sharing your personal numbers -- if you got "jacked off" for $6000 in state taxes, then you are most likely in the top income earners in this state! Welcome to the Rich! I thought you liberals were all for making the rich "pay their fair share." So, pay your fair share and shut up about it! If you want to be angry about, then be angry at government, and welcome to the conservative club!. I personally didn't make enough to come anywhere CLOSE top paying $6000 in state taxes, so you must be a lot "richer" than me. Difference is, I am not consumed with envy and anger and I don't seek to blame others or demand that they give me their money.

The most amusing thing about your post is how it changed in tone from beginning to end. You started out rather light-heartedly attempting to ridicule my post, but as you went on, you apparently grew angrier and angrier. Seems like you realized, as you typed, that you actually couldn't argue with logic and facts, and this frustrated you. Too funny!

Nobody said...

Anonymous,
You would cheer on Dickson -- you obviously weren't up to the task of responding. I noticed you were silent for quite some time. And cheering on someone who actually doesn't respond with logical arguments, but anger and envy and vitriol, by claiming that they were "thoughtful" only draws attention to the lack of "thoughtfulness" of their post. Why didn't you respond yourself? The water a little too deep on this end?

Nobody said...

"I personally got jacked for close to 6 grand in state taxes. 6 F$*%ing Grand. Maybe you think that the middle-class and below getting jacked for that kind of money is just peachy... it'll help the economy right? Do you see jobs flooding into NC? Hell no. NC's lagging behind the rest of the Nation in job creation and economic growth. Use your heads... if the vast majority of NC citizens have less money to spend, will they be buying more of your beloved businesses' products or less? Will those companies be making more or less as a result?"

Dickson! You just made the "Supply Side" economics argument for lowering taxes!!!!!

Nobody said...

This has to be the funniest and most economically ignorant thing NOT posted by anonymous/LIBPOV I've read on this blog in a long time.

"The middle-class drives the economy. Raising the minimum wage raises the "floor" which has a ripple effect on income throughout the entire income spectrum. The rich business owners get even richer because many, many more people can now afford their products. You may pay a thousand employees $5-10 per hour more but if 500,000 more people around the country can now afford to buy your products at a $10 profit margin, I think you'll be ok."

Again I ask, where did you take economics and which classes? Businesses will total variable and fixed costs to arrive at an ATC (average total cost or cost per unit) for producing a good. Labor is a part of that cost. If it costs $5.00 to produce a widget, paying employees $10.00 an hour, and they sell the good at $6.00, they will make a total profit of $1.00 per unit. But if wages are increased to $15.00 and the ATC rises to $6.00 per unit, it doesn't matter HOW MANY the business sells at the previous price of $6.00, they will not make money, and the "rich business owners" will NOT make more money, even IF 500,000 more people can now afford to but it at $6.00. You might want to make sure you know what the heck you're talking about before you attempt to ridicule someone else!

Anonymous/LibPOV - able to keep up? Keep tredding!

Nobody said...

This is fun! Watching football and pounding liberals! (Shout out to Johnny Rico!).

Which makes me think, how come the only "rich" people liberals want to talk about are "executives?" Why not Aaron Rogers, or Cam Newton, or Oprah Winfrey, or Johnny Depp? At least with a corporate exec., I get something tangible that I need. I enjoy watching professional sports and movies a much as anyone, but I need gas in my car to go to work on a daily basis. I don't envy the athletes and celebrities, nor the corporate executives who oversee the production of goods and services that make my life better.

Reader said...

Nobody, keep schooling the boys. They need it. I was going to say the same about the $6000 income taxes. I paid quite a bit myself and yes, it does anger me too...but I know we made some money and are thankful.

Facts for Lib and Dickson below:



"A partial list of significant tax increases enacted from 1985 to 2010 in NC:

•Authorized local governments to add another 0.5% to sales tax – 1986
•Increased state gas tax by 2 cents per gallon plus a new 3% sales tax on wholesale price of gas – 1986
•Increased corporate tax rate from 6% to 7% – 1987
•Raised excise tax on liquor from 22.5% to 28% – 1987
•Increase state sales tax rate from 3% to 4% – 1991
•Raise tax on insurance premiums from 1.75% to 1.9% – 1991
•Increased corporate tax rate from 7% to 7.75% and levy an additional surtax from ’91 to ’94 – 1991
•Added a 7.75% personal income tax rate for income above $100,000 – 1991
•Motor fuels tax increased by ½ cent – 1991
•Increased cigarette tax from 2 cents per pack to 5 cents, levies a 2% tax on wholesale price of other tobacco products – 1991
•Imposed a 1% gross receipts tax on movie admissions – 1998
•Increased state sales tax rate from 4% to 4.5% (supposed to expire in 2003) – 2001
•Created an 8.25% personal income tax bracket for highest income households (supposed to expire in 2003) – 2001
•Imposed 5% sales tax on satellite television service – 2001
•Renewed the “temporary” 4.5% state sales tax rate – 2003
•Renewed the “temporary” 8.25% income tax rate – 2003
•Increased tax on telecommunications from 6% to 7% – 2005
•Increased sales tax on liquor from 6% to 7% – 2005
•Increased cigarette tax from 5 cents per pack to 35 cents – 2005
•Extended the 8.25% income tax rate for another 2 years – 2005
•Increased tax on home satellite services from 5% to 7% – 2005
•Renewed (again) the “temporary” 4.5% state sales tax rate – 2005
•Made permanent ¼ penny of the 2001 “temporary” state sales tax increase – 2007
•Increases state sales tax rate from 4.75% to 5.75% (also in 2009 as part of the “Medicaid swap,” 0.5% of the local sales tax was shifted to the state) – 2009
•Changed the state gas tax cap to a floor, ensuring higher gas tax – 2009
•New sales tax on online click-though sales and digital products – 2009
•Increased taxes on beer, wine and liquor – 2009
•Increased tax on cigarettes and tobacco products – 2009
•Created a “temporary” 3% surcharge on tax bill for corporate income taxes – 2009
•Created a “temporary” surcharge beginning at 2% for personal incomes over $60K – 2009."



Dickson said...

Nobody: I love it how when anyone challenges you on here your response is typically to say that they're angry and envious. Then, of course, you like to hurl the obligatory insult or two and then make a remark to your buddies so they can hopefully see how clever you are. No, I'm not in the top 1% of income earners by any stretch of the imagination. Clearly, if I was, I would have gotten a tax break as the top earners did under the "tout the flat-tax but rip away all their deductions" plan your NCGA put us on. I think you better check the definition of supply-side economics. My argument was not, as supply-side economics argues, pumping more money into capital investments and removing regulations seen as barriers to production. My argument was that you give the tax breaks and raises to the largest proportion of the people, the middle-class, and they pump that money back into the economy as a whole. Everyone benefits. Yes, the billionaire class may have to forego their 3rd yacht, but they'll live.

The fact that Republicans hang on to a thoroughly discredited economic theory to the detriment of society as a whole is despicable. What makes it unbelievable is that, like you, many good and well-intended Republicans vote against their own best interests without even realizing it. As I've said in other posts on here, Congress' own fiscal research division discredited "trickle-down economics" as having any benefit in growing the economy. They did find, however, that it disproportionately increases wealth at the top and furthers income inequality. You seem to think that if the vast majority of Americans who are middle-class have less money in their pockets, they'll somehow magically be able to continue to pay for all the products companies need to sell to stay afloat. To the contrary, they'll stay afloat only through Federal and State subsidies, overseas production, and trying to force American workers to work for Chinese wages. By the way, the GOP in congress managed to suppress that report debunking the GOP's core economic theory. Here's a link to the piece about it... in Forbes no less, hardly a bastion of liberal thought. (http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/11/02/non-partisan-congressional-tax-report-debunks-core-conservative-economic-theory-gop-suppresses-study/) I'll let you take up the specious "if we give big business big breaks, everyone benefits" argument with Congress' fiscal research division. Wait... it just occurred to me... it's probably just another liberal lie cooked up to destroy the Country... right? Sure.

Just so you know, I'm envious of no one. I am pissed about my taxes, public school and higher-ed defending, the fact the ALEC now runs NC, and so on. My family has been in NC since the Revolutionary War. Some of them quite literally helped build the U.S. and the NC University system. Not trying to brag or grandstand, I'm just giving you some background to help understand my perspective. I'm passionate about NC. My hometown of Lenoir was once a booming place. In fact it was, at one point, the wealthiest City per capita in NC. Have you been through Lenoir lately? It's a grade A shithole. Why? All the furniture companies sold out and/or moved production to China, canning thousands of workers and giving themselves huge raises and bonuses from the wages they saved. Does it piss me off to see that happen to my hometown. Of course. Is that atypical across the Country? No.

You seem to think that this is atypical though. That the billionaire class works so hard to create jobs and save the economy with the corporate subsidies and tax breaks they're given. They don't. It's about the bottom line... always. Creating jobs costs money... sticking those extra profits in the market or other investments makes money. What do you suppose they do with that money?

Dickson said...

Oh... almost forgot.

Living wage for Watauga: http://livingwage.mit.edu/counties/37189

Living wage for Alleghany: http://livingwage.mit.edu/counties/37005

Don't have the time to run the figures myself. Be careful though! The research is from one of those liberal fortresses where people go to get a college education...

Democratus Rex said...

"How come the only "rich" people liberals want to talk about are "executives?" Why not Aaron Rogers, or Cam Newton.."

They belong to a Union, organized labor, and negotiate their compensation. Oprah and Johnny also negotiate their compensation.

Nobody said...

Dickson,
I didn't say you were in the top 1% -- just that you are at the top. If you paid $6000 in state income taxes, how much did you make last year, since the state tax rate is 5.8% for AGI? And you claim to be "middle class?!?" Hey, like I said, if you are pissed about having to pay those taxes, you should support cutting taxes and government spending. Your fellow liberals aren't going to care about your tax bill if your income puts you in even the top 25% of income earners, which I'll bet it does. Ordinary people don't make six figure salaries -- do you?

I notice that throughout your post, you ignore where I pointed out your economic mistakes regarding profit, profit margin and labor costs. Supply side economics argues for across the board tax cuts, not just tax cuts for the wealthy. What you and other liberals don't understand is that a person who pays nothing in taxes cannot have their taxes "cut." If you want to pay them through the tax code -- which is happening -- that's a different discussion. But the fact is, as noted in my posts from days ago, JUST taxing the rich will not provide enough revenue to fund government. You must have missed those posts. In fact, the ONLY way to fully fund government is the dirty secret no one wants to discuss -- you have to broaden the tax base -- i.e, make YOU pay, too. More people have to pay at least a little something if we want to enjoy all these little government goodies liberals seem to love. You guys want to have everything, but have someone else pay for it, normally ethereal "rich" guys. When the tax bill shows up in YOUR mailbox, you get pissed. Welcome to the real world!

As far as trickle-down economics being discredited, it obviously depends on who you ask. I'm sure Paul Krugman tears it apart with regularity, but he gets proven wrong on a monthly basis. There are economists that support the idea, like Thomas Sowell, so there are economists for both sides. I personally will take the Reagan recovery over this Obama recovery any day! We've had seven years of tax increases, stimulus spending, Obamacare and green investments -- feel good about the economy? How have these policies helped the poor? They must be fine since Obama took office! Why are we even having this discussion -- Obama should have fixed everything by now!

Nobody said...

So in the end, it comes down to this. How do you improve the lot of the poor? Do you use the power of government to redistribute wealth and income? Apparently, as one of the "rich" yourself, you don't support THAT idea. If you personally make over around $52,000, then you are making over the median household income for the country, so taking $6000 from you to "redistribute" to a poor Walmart cashier making $20,000 a year seems fair, right? If you want to try and "force" business owners to pay higher wages (your link stated Watauga County's "living wage" would be $23.52/hour for a family of four), realize that you will REALLY be hurting all of the small businesses around here -- those businesses will just die. Could you imagine trying to run a plumbing business and having to pay all your workers $23.52/hour? Prices will inevitably rise -- you didn't respond to that, though you initially tried to insult me for making that point earlier. Do you require ONLY certain businesses -- large corporations -- to pay a "living wage," but allow small businesses to pay a lower wage? How is that "fair?" That wouldn't be fair, either to the businesses OR the workers working for different employers. The worker working for Walmart makes $23.52/hour, but the worker at Carolina Mints only makes $7.25? The devil is in the details, isn't it, and the more government get involved, the worse things get -- another conservative point.

As far as critiquing my style, I could do the same to you. All your posts return to the same old "conservative conspiracy" rants about the GA and ALEC. I'm surprised you didn't drop the word, "fracking" into your post somewhere.

Nobody said...

DRex,
Executives negotiate their compensation with the Board of Directors. Private employees negotiate their wage/salary with their employers when hired. That was a lame answer. It doesn't bother you that some poor Walmart cashier makes minimum wage standing on her feet all day, but Oprah has made over $1 Billion in her lifetime to sit on her behind and talk?!? Or that Bill and Hillary Clinton are in the top half of the top 1% for "speaking fees" and writing books? Ahhh, I love pointing out the hypocrisy and ignorance of liberals!

Nobody said...

And who pays to buy tickets to see Cam Newton play? Who buys his jerseys, and Panthers caps and watches the games? Who buys the beer advertised during the games? Ordinary working class people. Have you bought an NFL ticket, or cap, or jersey lately? They are outrageous! Cam Newton shouldn't be allowed to get rich by exploiting the poor! These poor workers have the right to attend an NFL game and have a jersey and a cap without these fat cats exploiting them!

Democratus Rex said...

"Private employees negotiate their wage/salary with their employers when hired. "
Walmart cashiers negotiate their pay? Nope. Doesn't happen.

Dickson said...

Nobody,

OK, so let's assume I'm among the top earners for a moment. Is it your argument that the GOP tax plan, which is supposed to give tax breaks to the top earners and corporations which in turn somehow revitalizes the economy, doesn't even work to do that? That instead the top earners are having to pay more in taxes? Why would everyone I know in my income bracket be paying much more if the GOP plan worked? Shouldn't I be paying less and using my top earner income to boost the economy and randomly create jobs? I mean that's the theory right? If I'm a top earner I should be giddy with excitement at the multitude of tax breaks I'm getting shouldn't I?

Here's the problem... turn off the GOP spin machine for a moment and look at the hard data. The NCGA implemented a flat tax but they removed so many deductions that their plan caused taxes to go way up for the vast majority of us in the middle of the income spectrum. The people getting the breaks are those making $200,000 or more. Let's not forget that they also ripped away the $50,000 deduction for small businesses in NC... but that's ok I guess because at least they didn't have to pay their workers more money.

You're spot on about the cost of gameday tickets and branded products in general... according to you though, all the tax breaks and subsidies given to the uber rich and corporations should have brought those costs down right? Hmmm... it doesn't seem to be working out that way. Finally, you're spot on again about my ranting about ALEC. Frankly, how anyone could not be ranting about ALEC is beyond me. I could easily show you how an unbelievable number of bills and/or laws put forth by this NCGA have come directly from ALEC. Yes, fracking, but also voter ID, charter school legislation and public school defunding, higher ed defunding, removal of land use regulations (like Soucek's ETJ bill), removal of consumer protections, the current tax plan and the coming attempt to write similar tax plans into the NC Constitution, and so on. These all come straight from ALEC along with many, many more.

Now, whether you're a conservative or a liberal, if ALEC is driving policy in NC that means that you don't have a voice. You agree with these ideas because they're branded as conservative, but are these policies the will of the people? No, they're the will of corporate interests. Would the people of NC, regardless of political affiliation ever have said, "Hey, ya know what? We should rip money away from public education and give it to private schools who have little to no accountability for how they spend those public tax dollars". ALEC runs NC my friend, and they don't care about your political party of choice. You can call me a conspiracy theorist all you want.... but if that's true and you care about NC, perhaps you should be one too.

Sarkazein said...

The problem with people like Dickson is they represent Liberalism/Socialism like it is something new to try here. We've been turning Left for decades and have a quasi-Socialist country now. The problem is, it made things bad. It was the fix it even though it ain't broke approach. Society has worsened.
So what is their cure? More of the same.

Dickson said...

The problem with people like Sarkazein is that they tow the party line, regurgitate party talking points, and buy into fear mongering tactics without ever realizing they're making things worse for themselves, their children, and their grandchildren.

Let me see if I can help. The following things in no way represent policy or a plan for the U.S., nor are they true:

Socialism is bad
Gays getting married is bad.
Not having a gun with you all the time is bad.
Poor people are bad and want to mooch off of you
Anything Obama says is bad
Isis is bad... and right behind you!!
Raising the minimum wage is bad
Medicaid is bad
Government is bad
Social programs are bad
Not letting Christians discriminate against others is bad
Working together with other Countries is bad.
Not going to war and kicking some ass is bad.
Not letting businesses do whatever they want is bad.
Muslims are bad.
Mosques are bad.
Society is bad.

There are more but I think you can see the theme here... but as ridiculous as all of this is, this is what passes for the GOP platform these days. That's what's truly bad.




Sarkazein said...

Your examples are bad.

Sarkazein said...

Dickson- My comment had nothing to do with "Party". Do you deny that our country has been turning Left for decades?

Wolf's Head said...

"Walmart cashiers negotiate their pay? Nope. Doesn't happen." drex

I have been in Walmart many times and have yet to see anyone in chains.

Employees are free to quit at any time. If they don't like their pay then they can leave.

Democratus Rex said...

"Do you deny that our country has been turning Left for decades? "
I would deny that.

Wolf's Head said...

"Democratus Rex said...
"Do you deny that our country has been turning Left for decades? "
I would deny that."

Well, well, well, even a blind hog can find an acorn now and then.

The truth is Americans have been, and are now, a conservative people.

We have been under attack, from within, for over 100 years.

Our assailants are "socialists, fascists, progressives and communists" whose common thread is the end of individual freedom and the empowerment of the collective under a ruling oligarchy.

Emotional failures have flocked to these lefty ideals feeling an "enlightened", as they see it, leadership would force the masses into an egalitarian paradise.

Useful IDIOTS they are called.

The end will be the enslavement of us all under manipulative rulers who will then start to cull their unproductive supporters from the herd.

Sarkazein said...

Perhaps my question was worded wrong. Yes, Americans are Conservative for the most part. But our laws are more Socialist now then they were before "The Great Society". Our system is more Socialist. It's not working and it is making things bad.

Anonymous said...

Wolf Head

Our country has more personal freedom today than 60 years ago because the US Supreme Court has ruled against institutionalized racism, theocracy and women reproductive rights.

Dickson said...

Sarkazein,

I'm not sure what you're trying to ask with the question, "Do you deny that our country has been turning Left for decades?" Are you defining "our Country" by the number of registered Dems, Repubs, and independents? Are you asking about the implementation of policies typically labeled as "liberal"? Are you referring to the portrayal of politics and government via the media? Also, what do you mean by decades? 2 decades, 3 decades, 10 decades?

I'll gladly tell you what I think if you give me some context. For now though, I can tell you that moving forward in a progressive way (developing new technology, refining ethics, maturing in our collective philosophy, turning away from barbarism and antiquated myths and ideology, evolving in our understanding of each other and our humanitarianism, and so on) is something that human beings do naturally on a daily basis. Policies and thinking generally associated with these concepts are most often labeled as liberal. Historically, conservatism can be defined as the antithesis of progress... maintaining the status quo, retaining social and institutional conventions, resistance to change, particularly social change, etc. These, of course, are vastly oversimplified summaries about both political ideologies.

The problem that conservatism has always had (and continues to have) is that the world, societies, people, and time are not static... they're fluid and always pushing forward, whether we like it or not. Any Country that has been successful in the world has thus moved progressively forward with time and in concert with constantly evolving human knowledge. Some countries have struggled greatly with internal struggles in the pursuit of maintaining progress. Russia is a good example. This can, in part, be blamed on Communism, but it is also due to harsh social conservatism which has resisted growth, change, and the adoption of a more open way of thinking which would allow progress to flourish.

Just about every "bad" GOP talking point I outlined above is made in opposition to progress... socially, culturally, intellectually, academically, and so on. More extreme conservatives actually want to go back in time. You hear this repeated over and over. But I'm sure you see the inherent and unavoidable problem with that and with maintaining the status quo... life, the world, society, and humanity are always fluidly moving forward. There's no way to stop that. If you try to lock in the status quo, the people will revolt. Why? Because you're attempting to restrict their natural, inborn instinct to move forward... to progress. Most conservatives I know tend to equate progressing forward in our thinking, ethics, and so on as liberal ideology. In this context, I can say yes... the U.S. has been leaning left for some time... perhaps since it's very inception. But it's not moving left in an attempt to undertake some evil plan or implement some dictatorial regime. The U.S. is moving left because that is the natural inclination of civilized societies and of human beings in general.

To quote Ben Franklin, "Without continual growth and progress, such words as improvement, achievement, and success have no meaning".

Sarkazein said...

"Are you asking about the implementation of policies typically labeled as "liberal"?"- Bingo!

Welfare for those capable of work, government programs that cause prices to spiral, regulations that stifle progress (in its true meaning), Obamacare, the change to a litigious society, earned income tax credit, food stamps as the norm, and like that.
All are making things worse and have been growing since Johnson's Great Society... do the math for number of decades.

If "progress", as you say, is measured mostly by government action, then we are doomed as a free country.

The government control and thought control you celebrate is the opposite of freedom. It has been growing for decades and a once free society is being ruined.

Liberalism stifles freedom no matter whether you try to name it "Progressive" or any other happy name. We are democratically loosing our liberty.

Sarkazein said...

Dickson- Were you the guy who, at a town meeting in Richmond decades ago, asked the Presidential candidate to think of us as his children and of himself as our daddy?

Dickson said...

Sarkazein,

Yes. Of course that was me at the meeting in Richmond. Man, you nailed me. That's really what I've been asking for on here over and over again. Like all liberals, I just want someone to take care of me, pay my bills, do my work for me, and save me from any consequences I might stir up for myself. Like all liberals I just want to feed off the government teat... clearly I'm a clueless libtard who knows nothing about the real world, economics, government, or anything really. I've totally been lying when I've quoted data or research on here. I'm ready to acknowledge that trickle-down economics is the greatest economic policy ever conceived. I'm ready to admit that all Republicans everywhere have always done way more to benefit the economy than any Democrat ever has done or could do. Your wisdom has helped me to see that getting screwed on taxes, having funding pulled from my kids' school system, forcing teacher assistant lay offs, taking away my business deductions, ripping away funding from Higher Ed., and so on are all totally worth it. I know that one day soon a big whig at a corporation will knock on my door and offer me a dream job making more money than I ever imagined because of these GOP policies. But only if I work hard and stop sucking on the government teat. I see that now.

Damn... how could I have been so blind? I should have put my faith in the GOP a long time ago... I should have just driven to Raleigh, emptied out all my bank accounts and just handed it all over to them... with complete trust that they'll create some rock star level jobs. And why did I ever even think that opposing guns everywhere, all the time was a bad idea? I mean, how stupid was it of me to not want my kids to be caught in the middle of a shootout in the park. After all... everybody knows exactly what they're doing with weapons. I feel sure they've all had specific training in the tactical takedown of armed subjects in high density population areas... I need my gun in case a jihadist/robber/murderer jumps out from behind a bush... it could happen! I see that now! I've been a fool not to pack a gun everywhere I go. I see it so clearly.... I also need to sacrifice my family's financial well-being and my long-term financial stability so that those making a lot more than I do can use my money to magically transform NC into the capitalist mecca of the world. I've worried that, in all but one state where all these same reforms have been implemented, the economy has tanked. I will trust your sage wisdom and put my full faith and life in the hands of those top NC earners... you've helped me to see just how much they care about me and want me to succeed... but only if I work hard right? I think too that I am, at this very moment, realizing that what NC really needs is a Theocracy as well. I mean... for pete's sake, the Theocracies that have existed all over the world and those that exist now are some of the most advanced Countries with the most robust economies where freedoms are maximized and liberty for all is championed.

I can't believe I ever ignored all your warnings about how socialists are taking over this country and will soon be beating down my door to take my money and give it to some undeserving welfare queen. I'm sorry for that Sarkazein. You told me, just like in the McCarthy era, the socialists were plotting to ruin our Nation just like the Communists did... and I didn't listen.You tried to warn me about reading opinions and doing research that fell outside the prescribed conservative dogma... you tried to warn me that reading a wide variety of information from a wide range of sources would only taint what should have been a pure conservative mind. I see now that by opposing policies that could harm my family now and in the future, I was really betraying the very people at the NCGA who had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING BUT THE CITIZENS' BEST INTERESTS IN MIND.

I owe you a huge debt of gratitude. Thank you for helping me to see the light.

Sarkazein said...

It's not all about you Dickson. Look past the end of your nose at the growing number of people OUT of the work force. Look at the huge increase in people on disability. These things are not good for society.
Unintended consequences of liberalism is what we are seeing today. A Missouri college where a dean was forced to resign because he wasn't politically correct in a radical way, now tells their students to call the police if they see or hear anythings that offends them.

Sarkazein said...

To put it in the liberal's words- Call the police, if you are not rioting against them at the time.

Dickson said...

Sarkazein,

I'm curious... are you opposed to Totalitarianism and Fascism in any form? Do you stand in opposition to Totalitarianism and Fascism regardless of the stripes in which they may be cloaked?

Sarkazein said...

Totalitarianism and Fascism are typically large central government control, and so is Socialism and Communism.

What are you trying to ask?

Dickson said...

I'm simply trying to find out if you support fascism or totalitarianism as acceptable forms of government.

Sarkazein said...

If I don't accept Socialism or Communism, how could I support Totalitarianism or Fascism? Is your brain busily working on a misconception you have?

Dickson said...

OK, so here's my question... If the core tenets of fascism align with the Republican party's current national and state level behavior, rhetoric, and policy, would you then reject the Republican party? I'll paste one version of the core tenets of fascism below. There are, of course, numerous such lists of these tenets that vary to one degree or another. The one I'm pasting falls squarely in line with the vast majority of opinion regarding these tenets. And yes, most everything I've read does say that fascism did borrow from liberalism... to gain wider appeal according to multiple authors. It could use other aspects for other purposes... I honestly don't know. I'll put an X to the left of the tenets I believe are applicable to today's GOP... or at least the far-right in the GOP. I'll put a question mark if I don't know. I'm making these determinations based on policies/laws enacted and GOP rhetoric that has been consistently repeated over time.

It's long so I'll post the list after this...

Dickson said...

Part 1:

X1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
X2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
X3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
X4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
?5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
?6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
X7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

Dickson said...

Part 2:

X8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
X9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
X10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
X11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
?12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
?13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
?14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

I really want to hear your opinion. Please look up all definitions of fascism you can find and go with the majority consensus rather than one that might better benefit your perspective. Thanks.

Sarkazein said...

Dickson- I will read all your X's. But before I do, I can tell you that I am for the US Constitution which would not allow Fascism. A couple of your X's I have read are childish or young student-like. Fascism and Socialism rely on control of the masses. The US Constitution tries to control the government. You have taken up many lines in your comment in order to proudly display your misconception. But I will humor you.
Are you the author of these questions or did you find them somewhere else? And do you think because you write something in the form of a question it makes it a fact?

In your opening comment you draw a conclusion then ask questions. Blogger many times has compared that to the "when did you stop beating your wife" question.
Always remember, Hitler was a Socialist in competition with the Communists for control of the masses. To do what he did, required a most powerful central government.... nowhere near the US Constitution.

Dickson said...

No, I did not create these core tenets of fascism. Dr. Lawrence Britt, "a political scientist, studied the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia), and Pinochet (Chile). He found the regimes all had 14 things in common, and he calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism".

These tenets by Dr. Britt agree generally with the majority of academic scholarship regarding what characterizes fascism. There is, of course, variation in the core ideology of what defines fascism, but the 14 I listed are the most recurring and most widely agreed upon.

As for Hitler, it was EXACTLY these core tenets that he used to first gain power and then maintain power. When he came to power, there existed essentially no government in Germany... the shell of what passed for a government had been decimated, shamed, made impotent by the first world war. Likewise, the German people were in despair, in fear, and hopeless for the same reason. The Catholic Church either knowingly or unknowingly, contributed in the identification of the Jewish people as the scapegoat by preaching as official doctrine for years that the Jews were collectively guilty of the crime of deicide.

Sarkazein said...

Dickson- So far, in my reading of "your questions", I can't see any relationship between Conservatism and Fascism. The reading does put me in mind of the 45 goals of the Communist takeover of America. You are tilting at windmills.

Anonymous said...

Dickson

I'm in strong agreement with your assessment of the American right wing moving closer and closer to outright fascism. The right has lost all morality when its comes to human rights, justifying torture, police executions, mass incarceration and restrictions on voting rights and gerrymandering voting district for a control of the majority by a rich minority of extreme oligarchs. The conservatives here have no moral objections to for profit corporate prisons, starvation wages, debtors prisons ( people going to jail because they can't pay court cost or fines) or their fellow citizens being denied health care. Todays conservatives are big on scapegoats, "those people " without wealth or political power are causing all of the problems.
I've used the word "Authoritarianism' because the word Fascism is so politically charged but I think it's now time to make that charge. Todays Conservative movement has crossed the line into unAmerican behavior. The veterans of World War II fought fascist to keep America free of such Authoritarian ideology of extremism, scapegoating, that's now being sold on right wing propaganda sites here in America today. The Rush groupies here are brown shirts that will follow such extreme ideology to what ever their next step suggest no matter how extreme or how many suffer.

Anonymous said...

Dickson

You now have the fascist censoring my posts.

Sarkazein said...

Dickson- You pick one of "your questions" and I will do my best to put it back in the Leftist's lap.

Sarkazein said...

Come on Dude Tee it up!

Blogger said...

As I always say, for me the main thing is to make the main thing the main thing. So naturally I won’t respond to every little point made by Dickson about his odd beliefs of Conservativism–most of which I don’t even recognize.

By centralizing power and deifying strong government, it is the left who have set us up for a strong man takeover should crisis arise. The best bulwark against a fascist takeover is to devolve power back to the individual states. The safest place to be during these chaotic times is Conservatism.

Anonymous said...

Blogger

Many of the states are already controlled by fascist like Art Pope or the Koch Brothers. How much freedom was in southern states before the civil rights movement? US Supreme Court ruling against Theocracy and discrimination are the very thing you don't like but which support individual rights and human rights.

Sarkazein said...

Annoyance 2:25 PM- You are dumbing down Dickson's misconception.

Dickson said...

Sarkazein,

I didn't list these as individual questions. My overall question has to do with the fact that these widely accepted tenets of fascism appear to be characteristics that are embodied by the current Republican party. I asked you initially if you supported Fascism or stood in opposition to fascism. You stated that you opposed fascism. So my question is 2 fold.

1. Do you believe that any of the core tenets of fascism align with current GOP ideology, goals, or values? For those you do not believe align with GOP values, please explain how they do not, providing examples. Not anecdotal examples please... examples of widely held and disseminated GOP ideology that would support your claim.

2. Assuming for a moment that the Republican party did share many of its ideologies and goals with those considered to be core tenets of fascism, would you see this as concerning? Please explain why or why not.

3. Let's say we were able to somehow take a time machine back to Germany somewhere between 1930 and 1933... carrying with us 10,000 modern day US conservatives. Let's also assume that these conservatives speak and understand German fluently, know absolutely nothing about Hitler or WWII, and know modern day American conservative rhetoric well. They fully believe in the preachments of Ted Cruz, Americans for Prosperity, Alex Jones, Franklin Graham, and other well-known conservative figures. Lastly, let's replace the Jewish people in Hitler's belief system with immigrants, gay people, or Muslims. Based solely on their conservative ideology and Hitler's assertions, what number of these 10,000 conservatives do you think would quickly and easily adopt the ideologies Hitler put forth? How many would be a bit slower to come around but would eventually do so? How many would completely reject his assertions? Please explain why you believe they would accept or reject his rhetoric.

Have fun! Thanks for doing this by the way.

Dickson said...

Make that 3 fold...

Sarkazein said...

Dickson- You are dumbing down Annoyance's dumbing down of your misconception.

Sarkazein said...

Dickson- You come off as a fairly intelligent commenter... then you go off in Moron 101 Liberal speak.

Sarkazein said...

Aside from being moronic, your comment insults the millions of Americans who were patriotic and sworn to protect the US Constitution as they sacrificed so much to defeat German Socialism/Fascism in WW2.

Also remember that 1/4 to 1/3 of Democrats would prosecute "man-made global warming" deniers TODAY.

Hitler was a Socialist with centralized power over the masses. Those who supported Hitler in the Thirties were Socialist who wanted centralized power as they put all their hope into Hitler's Socialism.

Hitler also lied as today's Socialist do. In your above comment your write- " immigrants " knowing perfectly well it is illegal immigration they speak of. The Left are liars and you are one. This is why Leftists like yourself are duped so often into Totalitarianism.

Blogger said...

I did not know I would be prescient when I wrote "By centralizing power and deifying strong government, it is the left who have set us up for a strong man takeover should crisis arise." In the chaos in Paris, we began to hear frightened people calling for the military to take over.

Anonymous said...

Sark

It's the conservatives who have no problem with human rights abuse, torture, mass incarceration, voter suppression, gerrymandering and police killings without questions.

Blogger said...

Kudos to our commentators who are not feeding the troll. You recognized his signature as he starts off his rants with conservatives who have no problem with human rights abuse, froth, dribble, slobber, etc. etc. If you don’t respond, he gives up and I don’t have to go back to cutting him off. (Some of you call it censorship.) My only concern is the hundreds of people who read this blog each day, who might weigh in without knowing his history.

Anonymous said...

Troll has a point. Address it.

Anonymous said...

Blogger true to authoritarianism wants to censor the exchange of ideas. People like Blogger place ideology above humanity and reason.

Dickson said...

Ha! Am I the troll? That's hilarious if I am. I become the troll when I confront you guys with the reality that your GOP's policies align with those of fascist regimes... before that all was well... I was just "Dickson".

Priceless.

Dickson said...

By the way Sark, you've said repeatedly on this post and others that Hitler was a socialist. Just because the party name contained National Socialist, does not mean that he was a socialist. Every political scientist worth his or her salt who has studied the Nazi regime has concluded it to be a fascist regime.... NOT... a socialist government. So once again, Nazi=fascism... not socialism.

Anonymous said...

I don't think Dixson is a troll.

There is no doubt that he is misinformed; relies on Democrat talking points rather than facts or logic, and is most likely blinded by his partisanship.

On the other hand, he can provide us with some entertainment from time to time.

Sarkazein said...

There goes Dickson again, thinking it is all about him....

"Ha! Am I the troll? That's hilarious if I am. I become the troll when I confront you guys with the reality that your GOP's policies align with those of fascist regimes... before that all was well... I was just "Dickson".

Priceless.
... Tilting at Windmills again.