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Thursday, April 14, 2016

Vent Page 106

Here we are at vent page number 106.

Vent pages are handy for posting of off-topic posts, rants, raves, rages, etc, which might not be appropriate on other threads where adults are having serious discussions. Childish rant? Need to call another poster a name? Just feel like spouting off? Or even if you have something to say and there doesn't seem to be any other logical place to say it....THIS PAGE IS FOR YOU! AND NOW WE OFFER A SPECIAL LOW PRICE, NO FRILLS VENT PAGE!

102 comments:

Blogger said...

Sarkazein said...
On the female reporter thing, just for one thing, first Trump and his campaign manager denied it ever happened... she made it up they said. Now Trump is saying, she grabbed me, she had something in her hand and he didn't know what it was, she's knows she's not supposed to do that. NORMALLY, any reasonable Conservative person on this blog would find that peculiar. Not that someone was inappropriately grabbed, but the timeline of the way Trump handled it... the truthfulness. Come on, help me out here... do I have to face East and stare at the sun to understand this?
March 30, 2016 at 9:42 PM

Sark I don't really get your point. If Trump had the experience I did, I watched it over and over and did not see what she charged. I do watch enough movies to know assassins use hyper dermic needles these days that look like fountain pins. I do know the secret service told her twice to back off. I do know Trumps man had police training and was serving like a body guard before the secret service was assigned. I also know that these things are happening at warp speed and takes time to get things ironed out.

Blogger- My point is no one here seems to care about Trump's change in the story. Again, I can understand the over-zealousness of his manager. I just can't stand his and Trump's attempt to tear her down professionally. He does that to all who oppose him. The list is long. When you are a billionaire, it's called FU money. You don't need them and you can say anything you want about them. Obama has the same FU attitude. In Obama's case it is not caused by having FU money, it's caused by ignorance and arrogance. One's not better than the other. The divisions never heal.
My point is the reactions to Trump's actions is other than normal. The reactions here don't even allow for opposition (Ted's supporters) to Trump as they are "dead rising zombies".
March 30, 2016 at 11:10 PM

Blogger said...

From time to time I use the phrase “lukewarm” churches. Lukewarm compared to what? Following is from this week’s Charismatic News, In England: “In the past six years, 168 Church of England churches have closed, along with 500 Methodist and 100 Roman Catholic churches.”

“But for every Anglican church that has closed over the past six years, more than three Pentecostal or charismatic churches have taken their place.” Hillsong Church London holds four services, attended by 8,000 people, every Sunday.

Blogger said...

Trump gave people like me what we wanted–shut down the borders or we lose our country–bring back our jobs from overseas–see the danger of Islam--restore our military–make America Great Again. The problem may be that there are not quite enough original Americans like me. He hit a ceiling at around 45%. That leaves 55% for whom I have not a clue what they want.

Anonymous said...

Regarding the female reporter thing -- would any reporter -- male or female -- get close enough to grab Hillary Clinton by the arm as this woman did Trump? What would the reaction be if a Fox reporter accosted Clinton in this manner?

Anonymous said...

I'm just sick and tired.

Sick and tired of being called a bigot because I want to know that if my daughter goes to the restroom, she won't be in there with a man. Transgendered people should have the right to choose any restroom? Where's my and my daughter's rights to use a restroom that she feels safe in?

Sick and tired of being accused of being hate-filled because I believe people of faith shouldn't be compelled to do something that goes against their religious beliefs in the name of "tolerance." Where's the tolerance for my beliefs?

Sick and tired of being called a racist because I think a person should judged, not by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. I don't prejudge any situation based on the races involved. Black lives matter, but so do white lives. Can I say that without being accused of racism? Why is one racism and the other not?

Sick and tired of being told, by wealthy elitists that live in 20,000 square foot mansions and jet around the world on private planes, that I have to sacrifice to "save the planet." Tell you what, Al, Leo, Hillary, George and Angelina, when I see you've moved into a 2000 square foot home and you're flying coach, I'll change.

Sick and tired of ignorant 18-20 somethings that couldn't even read the constitution and comprehend it talk about their "rights" to not be offended by chalk writing on a sidewalk and demanding that the government suppress my rights to speech, religion and to bear arms. Yeah, the second amendment is REALLY about enabling the people to protect themselves against the very tyranny you would establish if given the chance.

Liberals have ruined this once great country. Most of the young people of today have no morals, no moral compass, no backbone, no ability to think critically, no ability to TRULY respect the rights of others, no work ethic. As a society, we turn a disinterested and unconcerned eye away from public vulgarity, profanity and immorality, but will attack with viciousness people of faith for trying to live out their faith in public.

I am just sick and tired.

Wolf's Head said...

Thus spoke the Nuge:

http://freenorthcarolina.blogspot.com/2016/03/ted-nugents-20-reasons-to-vote-for-trump.html

Democratus Rex said...

Whatcha gonna do about it?

Anonymous said...

Fight. Stand up for my rights. Denounce tyranny wherever it rears its ugly head. Confront idiots like you. Expose their (your) stupidity for the world to see.

You, DRex, are the enemy. You know who you are. You are the ones who, if you had your way, would lead Christians and conservatives to a coastline and behead them, as ISIS is doing. Do you feel good, being on the same side as barbarians? But you can't, so you'll just be happy if you can suppress Christians and conservatives and hope that we just die off. Fortunately, as everyone knows, as people grow older, they grow wiser, and coincidentally, they grow more conservative. They begin to see the stupidity in the beliefs they held when they were young and dumb (except for old liberals, like you, who are permanently stupid). We must begin to convince more young people to be more intelligent at an earlier age. Young conservative movements on college campuses are a start, but we have seen the rabid opposition liberals have to these organizations. Liberals understand what is at stake. If a conservative viewpoint is expressed alongside liberal viewpoints to young people, more of them might not be brainwashed. And if more young people are conservative, liberalism is lost.

I will teach my children conservative principles. They already have a solid grasp on right and wrong, a liberal shortcoming. They are already able to think critically, another liberal shortcoming. They have a work ethic, another liberal shortcoming, and a value that will pay huge dividends when they are competing for jobs with lackwits who spent their youth fighting for "justice" and participating in anti-Trump protests and "pride celebrations." And when this country collapses due to liberalism, and people are struggling to get by, I and my children will be secure because we will be prepared.

What will you do when what you have supported causes the collapse of this civilization? Who will you "tax" when everyone is equally poor? One line quips will not serve you or your brood well then.

cyclops said...

Earlier this week, J.w. Williamson over on Watauga Watch posted a list of companies he compiled that are threatening economic sanctions or otherwise criticizing NC because of the passage of HB2. Below is J.W.'s list. There are probably more to be added by now.

Conservatives should help J.W. out by widely circulating this list to other conservatives who support HB2. I have already sent it to several bloggers and conservative activist for further dissemination.

American Airlines
Apple
Bank of America
Bayer
Biogen
Citrix
Dow Chemical
Duke University
Google
IBM
Lowe’s
Marriott
Mitchell Gold + Bob Williams
NBA
NCAA
Paypal
Red Hat
Salesforce
Trillium Asset Management

Nobody said...

Drex's little comment demonstrates the liberal attitude perfectly. Anonymous' diatribe expressed sincere concerns regarding denial of rights for people of faith. DRex's reply? "Whatcha gonna do about it?" As if to say, "You don't matter! Your rights are not important. Your concerns are not important. Just shut up and go away."

Cyclops -- I'm with you. Christians and conservatives should use the tactics of the left, beginning with boycotts. Use our economic influence to remind corporations that we are influential, too. If every person who professes to be a person of faith backed up their words with actual action, these corporations would change their support for the gay bullies.

Democratus Rex said...

Silly. I don't want to behead or kill anyone. However, that is your projection onto me and other liberals. Conservatism is an empty and bankrupt philosophy that is being abandoned in droves every day. You are supporting a dying and losing philosophy and, you know it. As for the supernatural, be my guest. I'll stick to science and facts. Two things that conservatives ignore and abhor.

Is that enough words and sentences? I don't want you to get dizzy.

Nobody said...

And what aspects of conservatism make it an empty and bankrupt philosophy? Specifics please! Make sure that you don't "project" YOUR interpretation of conservatism onto us conservatives. I'll be glad to correct you tomorrow if you do.

Don't worry about us getting "dizzy" -- we can handle lengthy discussions MUCH better than you and your drug-addled brain. The sixties were probably your heyday, but a blur by now. That would go a long way in explaining your inability to cobble together an entire paragraph with any regularity.

Democratus Rex said...

For starts:
http://www.vanityfair.com/news/politics/2014/11/conservative-nonsense-political-history

http://billmoyers.com/2014/07/17/scientists-are-beginning-to-figure-out-why-conservatives-are%E2%80%A6-conservative/

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/book-excerpt-ej-dionnes-wrong/story?id=36313180

And, I still don't want you to die until your deity calls you up.

Wolf's Head said...

After reading drex's postings I realized I don't live in the same country I grew up in.

I'm not referring to anything the lefties constantly bitch about, but the America where people were dedicated, worked hard, and took care of themselves, their family and friends. Where people had faith in themselves and their God, believed in equal justice under the law, and believed their country was the best that has ever existed.

drex shows us how far we have fallen. The left has destroyed nearly all of that, and I thought why bother posting in response to the farting troll that drex is.

BUT, immediately after I left this page I came across this, and maybe that America is still here, it's just we don't see it for the obfuscations of the degenerate lefties or hear it over their constant cries for societal destruction.

So, watch this and remember there are still Americans out there.

And, too bad they couldn't sink a raft of hippies for Bill Whittle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9DXLDWCalY

Nobody said...

Try again DRex -- I will not follow links to the writings of a third person. YOU made a bold statement ("Conservatism is an empty and bankrupt philosophy that is being abandoned in droves every day"). I challenged YOU to defend it with specific statements. Come on, show us that "brilliant" mind of yours at work.

My bet is, you can't and won't present any arguments in your own words to defend your own statement.

guy faulkees said...

Wolf, it is always appropriate to oppose those gimme-gimme types that have found they can vote themselves bread and circuses and have pushed us pas the tipping point which will require our grandchildren to bring the county back out of the ashes.

Democratus Rex said...

Other than Rhodesia, as Wolf Breath has so generously noted, where has conservatism ever succeeded? It is a bankrupt philosophy. Sadly, conservatives are choosing authoritarianism/nationalism as the alternative.

Wolf's Head said...

"Other than Rhodesia, as Wolf Breath has so generously noted, where has conservatism ever succeeded?" drex

1585 to 1964 America.

"Sadly, conservatives are choosing authoritarianism/nationalism as the alternative." drex

Even more sad is lefties choosing authoritarianism/communism/globalism.

Lefties want enslavement for the world under their totalitarian regimes.

For the greater good, of course.

Blogger said...

Dick Morris made an interesting observation today about the rough and tumble of the campaigns. He pointed out that often the issues discussed can turn out not to even be the issues the candidates eventually face–9/11 for example. But in these slugfests we find out what is really important. It is temperament under stress. Personally, I think they are all doing amazingly well, which is comforting. No deer in the headlights for example. No losing it in front of us even though we are out here losing it while we watch.

Nobody said...

Yeah, that's what I thought. No "brilliance" from DRex.

Funny, Drex is accusing conservatives of authoritarianism.

Liberals want to FORCE women to share restrooms with men and vice versa. Oh sure, only "transgendered," but I have yet to hear one supporter of such a policy state clearly HOW one can guarantee that the males entering female restrooms are REALLY transgendered. Will they have an ID card or badge? Maybe wear an armband? I can hear the outrage to those suggestions already! And if transgendered persons have the "right" to choose either restroom, couldn't one argue that under the fourteenth amendment's equal protection clause, ANY person should be able to choose any restroom? Why JUST transgendered individuals? That seems to be a rather special "right."

Liberals want to compel people of faith to engage in an action that they sincerely feel goes against their religious beliefs. Respect their religious beliefs? No, just demand that people of faith believe as they, the omniscient liberal, believe. If you don't, well then your beliefs are just silly superstitions and not worthy of protecting anyway.

Liberals want to suppress freedom of speech by establishing "safe zones" where free speech is not allowed because it might "hurt feelings." Liberals want to prosecute someone who has the audacity to write in chalk the name of Trump. Liberals regularly protest conservative events to prevent conservative speakers from speaking, especially on college campuses. Liberals will block highways, inconveniencing everyone, to prevent people from attending a conservative campaign event. Liberals will enter conservative campaign events, initiate violence, and then blame the "rhetoric" of the conservatives there, counting on a liberal media that parrots their claims rather than tell the truth. Liberals engage in campaigns of intimidation and threats, especially in social media, whenever they find someone that dares stand up to their authoritarianism.

Where do you find conservatives engaging in such behaviors today?

Still waiting for your justification of your earlier statement, but I'm sure a post such as this has your mind swimming in a way reminiscent of the acid trips you obviously took in the sixties.

I'll check back later for your 2-3 sentence reply.

Nobody said...

Nah, pervs won't try to abuse "restroom choice" if given the opportunity. They don't even try to get away with anything now:

http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2016/04/01/california-man-dressed-woman-busted-videoing-womens-bathroom/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

I've got a great idea! Let's put millions of people at risk for the benefit of the "feelings" of less than 1% of the population. Who cares about that "greatest good for the greatest number" guideline. Transgendered persons matter so much more than the overwhelming majority of the people.

Nobody said...

That previous link was from California. Here's one from Virginia:

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/Man-Dressed-as-Woman-Arrested-for-Spying-Into-Mall-Bathroom-Stall-Police-Say-351232041.html

And here's one from Chicago, Illinois:

http://www.fox32chicago.com/news/crime/41523715-story

Cyclops said...

This report from Toronto, which has an LGBT ordinance similar to what Charlotte had, is best:

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/sexual-predator-jailed-after-claiming-to-be-transgender-in-order-to-assault

Wolf's Head said...

As I've said, our country is the best.

http://freenorthcarolina.blogspot.com/2016/04/some-cultures-are-better-than-others.html

Democratus Rex said...

"Where do you find conservatives engaging in such behaviors today?"

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/29/oregon-militia-standoff-ammon-bundy-jail-bail-malheur-national-wildlife-refuge


Nobody said...

Nice try, drex. I give you myriad examples of liberals actively engaging in activities meant to deny their neighbors' rights to political participation, speech and religion and you post a link to a group of militiamen in Oregon in a standoff against the federal government. I WAS intrigued by a quote from the article you linked:

“It is not that we don’t respect the government,” Ammon Bundy said during the hearing. “In fact, it is just the opposite. I’m a federalist … My only desire is to protect freedom.”

And this one:

“There is no justice in a federal court. The feds have used the courts to take rights not protect them.”

Show me where conservatives have blocked highways to campaign events for Hillary or Bernie. Show me where conservatives have tried to prevent liberal speakers from speaking on college campuses. I think I'll be waiting a long time....

Liberals are the true totalitarians. Conservatives believe in individual freedoms and rights and would prefer to live by a "live and let live" philosophy. If you don't agree with me, just go away and leave me alone. Don't force me to accept your beliefs. Don't force me to participate in a gay wedding. Don't force me to only pray or live by my faith in my home or in my church -- my beliefs are a part of me and go with me wherever I am. Don't tread on me. (You probably won't get that last statement without googling it.)

Democratus Rex said...

The "militiamen" you speak of with such reverence were thugs and armed criminals.

Conservatives are actively plotting and doing their damnedest to prevent Trump from participating in and getting his party's nomination at the convention.

"just go away and leave me alone" WAAAAAAH! Like a spoiled child. No dessert for you, young lady.

Sarkazein said...

Notice how Conservatives all over the country joined in with the Bundy group and had mass demonstrations, blocked commerce, sh#&@ on police cars, disrupted Democrat rallies, smoked dope in public, and got their $15 per hours for chanting. No?
Was that only the Democrats like DRex?

Sarkazein said...

Bundy Lives Matter!

Democratus Rex said...

Cost to taxpayers for Bundy insurrection was just $3.3+ million.

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/02/33_million_and_counting_the_co.html

Sarkazein said...

Well then, there was a good thing derived from the Bundy standoff, a Democrat Leftist now has concerns about wasting tax money. Who would have thought it.

Sarkazein said...

DRex- Are you worried that the $3 M will take away from the government money to study why lesbians are fat?

Democratus Rex said...

Are lesbians fat?

Johnny Rico said...

Sark,

I have tears. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Funniest ever. And the village idiot doesn't get it.

Nobody said...

"The "militiamen" you speak of with such reverence were thugs and armed criminals."

Black lives matters activists are thugs and criminals. How are they any different than Bundy and his group? Don't both believe that they have been wronged by agents of the government? And I don't "revere" Bundy and his group -- I actually condemn their actions. It's just that I have challenged you to show all of us here how conservatives have attempted to deny their neighbors and fellow citizens rights to speech, assembly, religion and political participation the way liberals have recently and this is all you've got. You're just pathetic and the sad part is, too stupid or drug-addled to even realize how stupid you are.

Will you condemn the actions of black lives matters activists as I have condemned the Bundy group? You reserve language such as "thugs and criminals" for conservatives, but have not used such harsh terms for black lives matters activists as they shoot police officers and assault veterans that choose not to affirm that "black lives matter."

Oh, and you still haven't supported your statement about conservatism being an "empty and bankrupt philosophy."

Try again.

Nobody said...

Oh, and you ridiculed what LIBERAL Supreme Court justice Louis Brandeis described as "the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men" -- the right to be left alone. You liberals want this right when it comes to privacy, like in abortion, but ridicule it when conservatives demand it. Ignorant hypocrite.

Democratus Rex said...

"Oh, and you still haven't supported your statement about conservatism being an "empty and bankrupt philosophy."

Your words continue to prove my point.

Nobody said...

You still haven't even said anything! Drex fart IS appropriate to describe your "comments." Still waiting...

Nobody said...

And you carefully avoided any condemnation of the black lives matters thugs. Agree with their actions?

It must really stink to be as stupid as you are and get abused as badly as you are getting abused in this thread!

Johnny Rico said...

Democrapus Perplexed is completely owned. They have the dolt boxed into a corner, and he's in a high speed wobble!!!!!

Democratus Rex said...

Boxed in a corner, but with high speed. Unsurprisingly, your metaphors are a bit inconsistent.

Sarkazein said...

JohnnyRico- Glad to have supplied the comic relief. I wonder if DRex is still searching Google for the average weights of lesbians, or if he did see the tax paid program.

Anonymous said...

"Democratus Rex said...
Are lesbians fat?"

Hillary is.

Democratus Rex said...

Imagine her Supreme Court choices.

Sarkazein said...

Her kite with the nomination on it will have to be smuggled out of women's prison. Her husband rapes and the wife is the one who ends up in prison.

Wolf's Head said...

How to make Mexicans pay for the wall.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/04/05/donald-trump-releases-plan-make-mexico-pay-border-wall-remittances/

Just hope it has a one way gate going into Mexico.

Sarkazein said...

The CRUZ lead is uuuge right now. I bought some cheeses curds to celebrate.

Blogger said...

Judicial Watch has kept track of all known travel-related spending for the Obamas and Vice President Joe Biden. To date, says JW, they “have exceeded $78,003,292.44.”

Sarkazein said...

Blogger- You are scaring DRex with that kind of tax money spent.

Democratus Rex said...

The leader of the free world should never travel doing the nations business?

Sarkazein said...

Especially when he ain't sh#@ for a "leader". He can't even "lead" from behind. Let the Democrat Party pay for his travel, he's never been more than a Democrat political hack.

Wolf's Head said...

"Democratus Rex said...
The leader of the free world should never travel doing the nations business?"

The only things Obama is leading is Jack and s**t, and Jack left town.

Whitey said...

Dems and free speech? NOT

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dems-on-fec-target-conservatives-vote-to-punish-maker-of-anti-obama-movie/article/2587898

Sarkazein said...

Whitey- Democrats are big believers in political prisoners. They have to be.

Sarkazein said...

Whitey- There are Democrats who want to jail those suffering "global warming" skepticism.

Socrates said...

Re HCPress article http://www.hcpress.com/img/unnamed-2-6-768x514.jpg

Why is it ALWAYS the most unattractive people who are protesting? Is there a correlation between ugliness and discontent?

Hieronymus Anonymous said...

Lefties are starting to go after dissenters. The inquisition is just waiting for Bernie or Hillary to get it started.

http://dailysignal.com/2016/04/04/16-democrat-ags-begin-inquisition-against-climate-change-disbelievers/

Blogger said...

Thanks Socrates. Did you notice Watauga Democrat sanitized their picture? LOL

Sarkazein said...

Rush also wrote about the "Uglo-Americans". Could it be, so many Muslim terrorists look like they couldn't have gotten lucky at the Chicken Ranch?

Sarkazein said...

George Obama of Nairobi Kenya, shows off the recreation equipment sent by his brother, the President of the United States, for George's village.

CLICK HERE

Anonymous said...

Parents of these college students must be so proud to see the obscenities of their offspring so prominently displayed in the local news! I am surprised that HCPress would publish these vulgar photographs but, I'm glad they did. It goes to show the type of people involved in this protest.

Anonymous said...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzwMJAFWLtQ&feature=youtu.be

Sarkazein said...

Anonymous 10:57 AM- Who would have ever thought this would even be a debate.

Sarkazein said...

Anonymous 10:57 AM- HappilyMarried says it's worth the risk to comply with political correctness.

Anonymous said...

Sarkazian, I agree. I have been amazed at the number of people who seem to be arguing that men should be allowed in ladies rooms. I am of the opinion that they are just following the party line - "if the GOP Legislature passed it, it must be wrong!"
As soon as the first college girl is harassed by a man in the ladies bathroom - or a man with a camera in the shower room, we might see a change of heart!

In the meantime, let's all get behind Bruce Springsteen and his right to NOT PROVIDE HIS SERVICES to people who he finds offensive. Everyone should be able to follow their own moral code and not be required to entertain those with whom they gave a moral, or religious, disagreement.

Happily Married said...

Anon,

You are completely missing the point about HB2 - the bathrooms are the most insignificant part of it. BTW - you and your female relatives have most likely already been in a public bathroom by a transgender person and you simply did not know it - because they are not a threat.

It also seems like you are trying to indicate that Bruce has a right to not provide services to some select group. He did not deny services to a class of citizens. He did not say - I will not play for blacks, or whites or LGBT or baptist or jews. He simply made a political statement by cancelling a concert and refunding all of the money. If it you assertion that a baker should be able to do the same - by all means - if the baker wants to shut his bakery down in order to make a statement about not having to provide services to gays - please encourage him to do so. Bruce did not discriminate any way. He did not find PEOPLE offensive - he indciated a law was offensive - and it is.

Sarkazein said...

HappilyMarried- What the bill (pervert/peeper) does is gives a defense to prosecution to the bad actor. Before he/she/? didn't have one.

Anonymous said...

The bill did not prohibit Republican congressmen, the clergy, or college football coaches from entering the toilet. All of which are known predators in toilets, and otherwise.

Sarkazein said...

Anonymous 8:34 PM- You might want to check and see their current status. While you're at it, look up Bill Clinton's current status for flashing an office worker.

Anonymous said...

Happily Married.....Is Springsteen shutting down his music business or is he just discriminating against the fans in NC? You are suggesting that a baker who doesn't want to serve a particular group has only the option to go out of business. Why would Springsteen be any different?
In either of these cases, neither individual should be required by law to provide services to those with whom he has a substantial moral disagreement.

Anonymous said...

HM, YOU are completely missing the point about HB 2. Whether a transgender individual is a threat or not is irrelevant. What matters is that a perverted individual who says he "identifies" as a female, would have legal access to enter women's rest rooms, shower and locker facilities, etc.

You may think this is a good idea.

I do not. I'm not surprised.

Happily Married said...

Anon,

A perverted individual would not have legal access to do perverted things. Lewd conduct, peeping and sexual assault are all punishable offenses. Please look up the NC peeping law (GS14-202)that basically covers any creepy thing anyone would do - even inside a bathroom or shower room. Currently multi user bathroom or shower facilities are not locked. Any guy could have dressed up as a girl and entered at any time. HB2 did nothing to address this fact or change the current peeping statutes. HB2 effectively made it impossible for transgender persons to use a public bathroom. I read comments in the local paper that suggested that just because people are transgender, they should not use public facilities at all. Is that what this has come to - someone has to pee - but they don't have the same rights as others. Fear based politics has caused an actual problem. If a woman identifies as a man, dresses as a man, or is even in the process of becoming a man through hormones, she, dressed as a man and looking like a man, now has to go into a woman's bathroom. In your fear and bigotry you have just caused the same problem you thought you were solving. Stupid politics for stupid people. HB2 has not made anyone safer - it is simple bigotry for someone who is different from the norm. Springstein next.

Happily Married said...

Anon, exactly which class of people is being discriminated against? it is not just fans in NC, many people probably bought tickets out of state and intended to travel. Exactly which class of people did he indicate he would not play for? He even apologized to his fans. It was not about his fans - it was a political statement. A baker cant pick gays out of a line of customers and say - "you get no service". If a baker wants to close to all customers on a Saturday to make a political or religious statement - then that would be an equivalent. But the next day he was open - he would still have to serve all people equally. "In either of these cases, neither individual should be required by law to provide services to those with whom he has a substantial moral disagreement." your ridiculous statement would allow for a Muslim to refuse to serve a christian woman unless she had her head covered. It would allow for a baker to refuse service to a mix race couple for "moral" reasons. One persons morality does not and equal another. No matter how "moral" you think you are leading you life, I guarantee that someone will look at your lifestyle and consider it immoral. Please tell me that you attend church at least twice a week and tithe at least 10% - otherwise you can longer participate in this conversation you heretic.

Happily Married said...

Sark,

That defense will be short lived if he/she cannot prove some movements toward gender change. Once again, simply accessing the facility is not a crime. The HB2 does not provide any defense for any of the activities included in GS 14-202 - or even worse, sexual assault. Once again, fear driven politics rarely makes for good policy.

Sarkazein said...

HM- You are stumbling into an understanding here whether you want to or not. With your law, one must prove their innocence rather than the State prove their guilt. Forget the assault thing, a woman can be arrested for sexually assaulting another woman, it's illegal. Your law has to make illegal what the peeper was thinking at the time. You said it yourself- "... if he/she cannot prove some movements toward gender change."
"Fundamental Change"... guilty until proven innocent. Another gross unintended consequence of liberalism.

Sarkazein said...

This is why liberalism requires the policing of thought.

Happily Married said...

Sark, You are going to have to explain that analysis. The only proving that will be done is if a crime is committed - i.e. lewd conduct or peeping etc. Unless a law is broken, no harm no foul. Simply "existing" in a bathroom should not be a crime. With HB2 - a transgender person that simply enters the bathroom of his/her original birth certificate will definitely stand out and that person is subject to arrest and will be guilty until they show their junk. They will be guilty until proven innocent. That is the reality. If a guy dresses up as a girl for peeping purposes, then the peeping is the crime, not the dressing up. That person will be considered innocent until the state shows that the person is not showing some movement towards gender change and dressed as a girl in order to gain access for sexual gratification - i.e. innocent until proven guilty. As I said before, most here have used a bathroom with a transgender person in it without even knowing it. Using the bathroom should not be a crime. Entering a bathroom should not be a crime. Being transgender should not be a crime. HB2 effectively makes it that. Your thinking is ass - backwards. As stated before, a woman who identifies as a man and dresses as a man will be forced by HB2 to use a women's facility. Your bill, which makes simply entering the bathroom a crime, will allow that person to be arrested assuming a gender identity and guilty until that person proves she is, by birth certificate, a woman. Failed, stupid logic on your part.

Sarkazein said...

What you are saying, is as long as the peeper shows good manners, he/she/? is ok. You are still making my point (the one you think is stupid).

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Anonymous said...

Sarkazian, you are arguing with a fool and wasting your time. HM seems to make an argument that if a person glances at another person in a communal shower, the "glancer" can be charged with "peeping". HM makes no differentiation based on anatomical sex. The argument that allowing men in ladies shower and or locker rooms is ok because it would be illegal for them, once inside, to actually "peep" at the women is not worthy of consideration.

And, I am not clear whether or not HM supports my position that Springsteen is totally within his rights to cancel any show for an any audience he doesn't want to perform in front of.

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Anonymous said...

Springsteen refused to support a state that legislates discrimination.

Sarkazein said...

Anonymous 4:59 PM- I know you are right about HM. But it is of interest to see just how far a liberal will go in defending the indefensible.
My first notice of "defense to prosecution" is the Texas Penal Code in it's laws on carrying a handgun. At that time it was illegal. BUT, if you were arrested for it, there were these official defenses to prosecution: You were crossing two county lines and staying away overnight or you were going to a target range or you were buying or selling a gun. SO, if arrested, you had to prove your innocence with one or more of the previously listed situations.
In the peeper/pervert laws, it would be against the law to hang out in the ladies locker room UNLESS, as a defense to prosecution, you were feeling like you might want to become a girl or you feel like you are a girl. In the Peeper/pervert laws all you have to do is lie, or wear a pink thong or get a tramp stamp.

Happily Married said...

Sark,

If someone simply uses the bathroom - they have not committed a crime. If they are a peeper - i.e.they are in the bathroom peeping - it is a class 1 misdemeanor. It is not about good manners - or even men dressing up as women. The Charlotte ordinance was very specific about the gender that one person most identifies with. If a man dresses up as a woman and is in a bathroom peeping he can be charged with a misdemeanor. If he is just peeing - then yes - no harm no foul. It is almost as is you people are too dense to carry this out to its end game. You are so focused on gender and sexual identity and the fact that someone might be different than you that you forget that a crime has to be committed. The peeper statute is very clear - and is not subject to gender. If you are a peeper - you have committed a class 1 felony. It does not matter if you are a gay woman in a woman's shower and you peer into a stall - you can be charged with peeping. Funny how no one has addressed the fact that HB2 allows ( I am sorry - requires) for someone who looks and acts like a man (complete with hormone replacement) to walk into a woman's shower or bathroom in order to use the facilities. Or maybe, like the comment in the local paper - you think transgender people should not have the right to use public facilities.

And Anon, obviously you are also too dense to understand the idea of discrimination. He is in his right to cancel any show because the shows are open to the general public and purchasing tickets is not subject to discrimination. He has not discriminated against anyone of any particular class. I also further clarified that a baker does not have to shut his doors - an example of non discriminatory political activism would be to close on a specific day to all customers (on a non discriminatory basis)and announce to the world that his religion will not allow for gay marriage and this is how he protests (good luck with that).

A Different Anonymous said...

It is amazing to me how far liberals (HM) have gone in defense of the radical gay agenda. It used to just be about "gay marriage." Now, HM is defending the right of anyone to use any restroom they want to. This is the same HM who once stated that he would possible support the right of florists, photographers and, yes, even bakers, to opt out of providing their services for gay weddings for religious reasons. It's a fast ride down the slippery slope, isn't it HM?

So open carry is legal in NC. I might start to open carry my 9mm and when my daughter or wife needs to use a public restroom, I'll just casually stand around the entrance. That's MY right.

Anonymous said...

http://mindy-fischer-writer.com/2016/04/republican-politicians-arrested-acts-public-restrooms-trans-people/

Happily Married said...

A different anonymous,

Firstly, there is no radical gay agenda. The LGBT community simply wants the same rights as anyone else and, at this point, are refusing to be treated as second class citizens as they have been in the past. Secondly, I never indicated that anyone has the right to use any restroom they want. I agree with the Charlotte ordinance that allowed transgender persons to use the facility that most closely matches their perceived gander. I hope you can understand the difference (although your lack of reading skills might suggest otherwise)Finally, I was absolutely willing to find some common ground in an effort to understand while gathering and assessing the issues. I still believe that religious providers (priests, pastors, etc) should never be made to provide religious services that might be contrary to their religion. Their religions is their business and the service is a religious service. After careful evaluation, the other services denying their products simply boil down to discrimination - pure and simple. No slippery slope at all.
BTW, whereas it is your right to open carry, with the new HB2, if this guy:

http://transsuccess.tumblr.com/post/15147089761/my-name-is-jamie-black-and-i-started-out-life-as-a

trys to in the bathroom and you try to harass him with a gun - he is just following HB2 - and you would be going to jail. So you might want to reconsider your rights.

Sarkazein said...

"There is no mafia"- John Gotti
"There is no radical gay agenda"- HappilyMarried

A Different Anonymous said...

Ah, the tried and true tactics of a liberal -- "(although your lack of reading skills might suggest otherwise)" - personal attacks in place of debate. Way to go! There are too many problems with "restroom choice" for "transgenders." First, the threat isn't necessarily from "transgenders." It is from perverts who will abuse "restroom choice" to gain access to women's rooms. How do you intend to guarantee that ONLY transgenders will enter the "restroom of their identity?" Will there be a transgender test? ID armbands? If you grant to biological males who say, "I'm a woman" the "right" to choose either restroom, isn't that a "special right" for a certain class? If transgenders can "choose" to use the women's room, why not heterosexual males? Shouldn't the 14th amendment guarantee equal protection, in other words, the same rights as transgenders who are male to all males? Why just transgenders?

Now if my daughter is in a women's restroom or locker room and a fifty year old man who claims to be transgender goes into that restroom with her, do I have the right to also enter to safeguard my daughter? You say, "Don't worry, sexual assault is STILL illegal! Peeping is STILL illegal! But a person must be harmed in order to prosecute, when a common sense policy -- which liberals seem to rarely support -- that requires people to use the restroom of their biology, not their choice, could help to prevent that harm in the first place. Transgenders make up less that 1% of the population. You would put millions of people at potential risk to benefit less than 1% of the population, and when something horrible happens, I'm quite sure you will simply shrug and say, "Oh well, you can still prosecute. It's more important to protect the FEELING of transgendered persons.

You are just an asshole. You are willing to sacrifice the rights and safety of the many for the feelings of a few. And don't claim I'm just inciting fear -- sexual assaults still occur in staggering numbers. Your position would give bad people greater access to potential victims. The leader in the Charlotte policy was himself a convicted sex offender. And you're on his side.

Anonymous said...

"If the rights of Christians are subordinate to the rights of every other group, they're not rights at all."

HM doesn't care about the rights of people that are not a part of his "preferred" groups. All people are equal, but some are MORE equal than others.

Happily Married said...

Anon,

No subordination here. EVERYONE is equal and NO ONE should be discriminated against. Not sure what bathrooms have to do with Christians. I believe ALL rights should be conveyed equally. Some Christians do not believe that gays should have the right to marry the love of their life - even though they have that right. In Tennessee, if a counselor - a licensed medical professional - can refuse service to a gay person - just because they are gay. How is that equality? If a gay EMT were to respond to house for a heart attack and refused to help because a Christina tattoo of a cross was emblazoned across some guys chest, Christians would be screaming. It is no different. Discrimination is discrimination - period.

Sarkazein said...

Getting back to the defense to prosecution on carrying a gun as it relates to the peeper/pervert law. No civilian in Texas could get a license to carry (period). Only LEO could carry. (period) I feared jail, but I carried anyway. I always carried a small suitcase with a toothbrush and a pair of underwear in it in my vehicle to look like I was going out of town if I had to prove my innocence. On or about your person is the only phrase in the penal code used to describe possession of a handgun in public in Texas law. Not loaded or unloaded or concealed or in the open. My two brothers and a few friends knew, if LEO ever called and asked if I (or them) were coming to visit them or bring them a gun to look at, they knew to answer yes (also a defense to prosecution).
POINT BEING, the defense to prosecution took away enough of the fear of being jailed to rationalize carrying.
Happy lives in an imagined Utopia, as most Communists not living under Communism do. He/she thinks she can count on the obedience of all to not take advantage of the peeper/pervert defense to prosecution when in fact, it will only embolden bad actors.

Happily Married said...

Sark,

I have explained a scenario where your defense to prosecution does not hold water. You have yet to show. Ironically as you bring guns into the conversation, conservatives take a hypocritical approach to this issue. When it comes to guns - conservatives proclaim - "Dont blame the guns on a few bad characters who use them in bad ways". How is it any different when it comes to bathrooms? For anyone to simply use the bathroom when they have to go should not be a crime - don't try to ban people because a few bad characters might take advantage. Gun owners decry gun laws because in their Utopia if everyone had guns, no bad characters would exist. How did that work out in the Old West? Seems hypocritical enough that I believe it is not really about bathroom safety at all. As previously stated, multi user bathrooms are not locked, and if a bad guy wants to get in they can. There have been a few isolated incidents of peeping and even assault prior to the law. This Charlotte ordinance would not have changed those facts. At the end of the day it is about discrimination on the part of conservatives because they do not understand that some people are different. They cannot tolerate anyone who is different from them. I have seen so many comments here and elsewhere where transsexuals are called perverts - when that is far from the case. There is a reason why they go through the hormone replacements and surgeries - because they feel different. This does not make them right or wrong or good or bad. It just is - and conservatives are so afraid of things they do not understand they will stand up for any legislation that puts them as secondary citizens. Funny how no one has commented on the transsexual male who looks and acts like a male now being able to use the woman's bathroom because that's what his birth certificate indicates. Before you smack me as a liberal when it comes to guns, know that I have several guns, rifles and shotguns, a concealed carry, and different anon, I carry a 10mm - not a 9mm.

Happily Married said...

http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article71634162.html

Sarkazein said...

HM 9:06 AM- I guess you think that liberal reporter's opinion is important because......?

While we are at it, please state again for any new comers on how you are OK with men being in the same locker room as your wife and daughters as long as they say they identify with women or at least pledge to be. And that you know there will be a few bad actors, but it's worth it to not "violate" the rights of a "real" "transgender".

Happily Married said...

So stated. I will not let fear of the unknown or the different drive me to discriminatory beliefs or practices. So many of you here do - and that's sad. Thats why you like Trump - "build a wall". More of you should listen to the Pope - "Build bridges - not walls". That being said, any bad actor will be punished one way or the other - but they have to be bad actors first. Being transgender is not being a bad actor.

BTW no one has addressed the issue about a man who used to be a woman, complete with facial hair and hormone replacement, forced to use a woman's bathroom in accordance with HB2. Where did different anonymous go? To quote USSRY - I guess I have stumped you dolts! - stings dont it.

Sarkazein said...

HM- Thank you for confirming. Yours has been one of my favorite liberal comments. BTW, there is no such thing as "used to be a man/woman". Whatever you were born as is what you are. If you were born as both, then you are both. You can't change it, you can only change the appearance of.

Happily Married said...

Sark,

Thank you for directly illustrating the fact that so much of this is misunderstood. Yes, you can change it. Sometimes Female DNA will end up in a baby born with what appears to be a penis - and sometimes the opposite happens. DNA is the only thing that cannot be changed and often birth certificates don't match up with DNA. If a person believes that he/she is a man and gets surgery and hormone replacement, then that person "used to be". Changing the appearance of would indicate men in drag or the reverse. The reality is there are many different combinations of possibilities. These possibilities do not mean they are perverts or weirdos - they are just different. None of them deserve to be discriminated against or prejudged. And as stated before, the number of arrests for bathroom shenanigans would appear to favor Republican politicians.

Anonymous said...

Sexuality is as much emotional as it is physical. Just because you "look the part", doesn't necessarily mean that is how you see yourself.

Males and female produce both testosterone and estrogen.

Anonymous said...

"any bad actor will be punished one way or the other - but they have to be bad actors first."

Meaning, also, there must also be a victim. You don't seem to care about trying to protect a potential victim BEFORE harm occurs through common sense policies.

A Different Anonymous said...

"and different anon, I carry a 10mm - not a 9mm."

Ooh, a "my gun is bigger than your gun statement." Must be compensating for other "short" comings.

Happily Married said...

And the proud moment of the current conservative political paradigm - when you can attempt to bring penis size into a conversation. You should all be very very proud. I was illustrating that when it comes to gun laws or the ability to protect my own - I most likely have more and bigger guns than most of you so don't try to label me as a pacifist liberal. YOU decided to make it about penis size. But I guess thats the republican way these days.

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