This blog originally founded by Blogger who holds a theological degree and a doctorate in Counseling Psychology. Taught Psychology for 32 years and is now Professor Emeritus. Is a board-certified psychologist and was awarded the Lifetime Achievement Award in his profession. Ministered as a chaplain, and pastored Baptist and Episcopal churches. Publications cover the integration of psychology and theology. Served in the Army, the Merchant Marines and the Peace Corps.

Wednesday, June 14, 2017

Will No One Rid Me Of This Meddlesome Priest Asks Shakespeares Henry II


 Blog commenter under the non de plume Nobody, wrote: “A Bernie volunteer has opened fire at the Republican Congresspersons’ baseball practice -- five people injured; shooter dead. Will the media jump all over the violent, detestable rhetoric we've seen from liberals and blame that rhetoric (and liberals) for this shooting? You know, like they blamed Sarah Palin and her "targets" map for the shooting of Giffords? What violent rhetoric, you ask? How about Kathy Griffin and the "Trump beheaded" photo? Madonna wanting to "blow up" the White House? How about the Shakespeare in the park production showing the violent stabbing of Trump? How about every broadcast of the idiot, Samantha Bee?"

The shooter James. T. Hodgkinson, has heard the Left’s pleas: He wrote on Facebook “Trump is a traitor.  Trump has destroyed our Democracy. Its time to destroy Trump & company.

95 comments:

Sarkazein said...

Nobody- The Democrats bled from their eyes when Trump was asked in the debate about accepting the results of the election. and he responded without the affirmative. The Democrats/MSM believed Hillary would win. They said Trump had cut the fabric of democracy if he did not accept the outcome, and he had disqualified himself from being President. Hillary is in the "resistance" and the Democrats/MSM and their rank and file have chosen to NOT accept the outcome of the election. Today's event proves the Democrat/MSM were right that not accepting the outcome, not speaking out against the rioters, and not speaking out against Kathy whatshername and the play in NYC is disqualifying them from leadership. Liberalism is a brain disorder.

Blogger said...

From Fox report: Sen. Bernie Sanders, the man for whom the slain suspect volunteered and passionately campaigned, condemned political violence in the wake of the attack. But that’s not enough. All reasonable people condemn political violence. By the time you have to condemn it, it’s already too late.

What matters now is whether you condemn political hatred – whether you renounce and reject the kind of toxic rhetoric that makes this shooting and this vile moment in American political history possible

Wolf's Head said...

The left will always resort to violence.

We have a local hatesite in this county that posts things as bad or worse than what Hodgekinson posted on his. It also excoriates not just Trump, but Representative Foxx and all republicans and their voters.

Our country is becoming increasingly fractured politically and socially. We are now like Yugoslavia before the breakup and wars.

This shooting is just an escalation of the left's violence that we have seen since the presidential campaigns last year.

Where is Obama's condemnation?

Sarkazein said...

Wolf'sHead- Only some of the Leftist Congressman have come out, now, after it got too close to home. But for the most part, the Democrat leadership has been silent after all the celebrity and rank and file threats of violence.

Wolf's Head said...

I find no sincerity in the condolences of dem leaders.

They are merely following the formalities in an effort to divert attention and speculation.

I find the left's lack of condemnation eerily similar to the muslims lack of condemnation after muslim attacks.

Birds of a feather.

Anonymous said...

Threats of violence have been directed towards liberals on this blog by virtually all conservative contributors.

Nobody said...

Find ONE quote by me threatening violence and post it here or admit you are a liar.

Your reply is essentially, "Waah, waah. Conservatives say mean things so I don't have to condemn hateful rhetoric, even when it leads to people getting shot." There is simply NO comparison between the examples I listed earlier and anything said here or by well-known conservatives or conservative celebrities. I don't recall any conservative celebrity posing with a semblance of the head of Obama dripping with blood. I don't recall any production by conservatives portraying, graphically, the stabbing of Obama. I don't recall conservative celebrities saying they dream of blowing up the White House.

You are pathetic. You won't even say that the shooting of republicans by an avowed liberal activist was wrong. Pathetic. In your dark, evil, twisted heart (if you have one), you are probably pleased. And you (if you are LibPOV) constantly accuse us conservatives for lacking "humanity." Pathetic.

Wolf's Head said...

"Threats of violence have been directed towards liberals on this blog by virtually all conservative contributors.' anon

Prove it.

I don't think calling liberals retards is a "threat of violence".

Nobody said...

Here's the problem with hateful rhetoric from liberals. Liberals believe, as evidenced so clearly by Lib POVs posts here, that Republicans truly are evil. So anything they say about conservatives is justified. Because they think that conservatives are evil, anything conservatives say that is even the least bit strong-toned is evidence of their evil and get replayed in the media over and over. So there is a clear double-standard at work. Liberals, who are absolutely the WORST practitioners of hateful, vitriolic rhetoric (Lib POV), get a free pass on anything that they say about conservatives. But conservatives will get lambasted for anything they say, or DON'T say! It is perfectly acceptable to "interpret" what a conservative says for the "secret meaning" -- the "dog whistle" phrases -- but liberals can get away with outright saying, "I dream about blowing up the White House." Or posing with a bloody Trump head.

Nobody said...

From Todd Starnes:

Our great nation is teetering on the brink of political anarchy. And the blame lies with Hollywood and public universities and left-wing activists.
Their hateful rhetoric over the past year -- their quest to remove President Trump from office - has now given birth to bloodshed.
This time at the hands of a man who hated President Trump - a man who wanted to kill as many Republicans as he could.
Good people gunned down because of their political affilaition.
Make no mistake - the man who pulled the trigger bears the responsibility for the bloodshed.
But we would be foolish if we did not address the festering anti-Trump cancer that has infected the left.
What about the D-list comedian who beheaded the president or the taxpayer-funded production called, "Killing Republicans" or the Shakespearean drama where Caesar was depicted as President Trump?
What about the high school teacher who made a bet on whether the president would be assassinated or the one who pretended to execute the president inside her classroom?
Or how about the professor who said Republicans must be executed and the president must hang? Or the other professor who said House Republicans should be lined up and shot?
On Wednesday - those professors nearly got their wish - when a baseball field came perilously close to becoming a killing field.
We can be better than that, America. We must be better than that.

Lib POV -- do you want ME dead? Do you believe conservatives deserve to die?

guy faulkes said...

Goofus, re-post a few of them. I do not remember any threats being made by conservatives. The liberal commentator Biker Baird made them occasionally when he was unhappy with the debate going in favor of his opponent.

I do remember warnings of possibility of violence, both in self defense and due to the fact that the left will not admit they could even possibly be wrong. The country is divided in a manner that reflects the fact that we no longer just argue about the means to get to our goals, but now have vastly different goals between the left and right.

Years ago, the Wolf predicted a civil war because of this. I did not think it would happen for decades, if ever. Thanks to the acceleration of the abandonment of the Constitution, the country, and even God Himself by liberals, it is inevitable and maybe imminent.

As proven the events of this morning, by the number of shootings and other violent actions perpetrated by the left, the spark that sets off the powder keg will come from that direction.

USS Rodger Young said...

Funny how noneymouse coward WASN'T first to post on this thread as he usually is on all the other ones. Why wasn't he hot to do the broken record bit he usually does? The answer is that the subject matter was far too inconvenient for the village idiot to comment on. Dyslexia aside.

Over the past week, we've heard, incessantly, the usual words spouted by liberal socialist sheep - kindness, empathy, and good thoughts. Today's shooter, a liberal Democrat socialist sheep didn't show much kindness, empathy or good thoughts. As I've detailed time and again, neither do the violent leftist Democrats who physically attack conservatives for wearing a Trump T-Shirt. You NEVER hear dumpocrats malign or impugn their fellow leftist shooters (most mass shooters are lefties), ever. Never on this site have I heard a fringe left liberal mention that he/she is ashamed at the intolerance of their party. You know, intolerance such as the theatre who beheads Trump on a nightly basis or Kathy Griffin holding a Trump head. How's that for kindness and empathy? Or Naomi Judd talking about burning down the White House - how's that for kindness and empathy? Or the Huffington Post editor praising today's political violence - lot of kindness and empathy there.

The left is melting down, and it is interesting to see them turning into the violent boneheads they claim to ignore. Or carrying weapons they claim to want to ban!! Hypocrisy squared!! What a bunch of idiots!!!!

Let me help you leftist dolts melt down a little more - MACTHS NICHES BITCHES!!!! We won, you lost. TRUMP is YOUR President. Enjoy his term. I'm sure enjoying his term. Republicans, as weak as the RINO portion is, is the party in power. Enjoy that too. Most every liberal policy that Hussein obummer put into place is thankfully being dismantled. I'm loving it!!!!! We won, you lost!!!!!!! Get over it (Words spoken by Hussein obummer!). LOL!!!

USS Rodger Young said...

After today's political violence, the only thing liberal socialist sheep is a one line quip calling conservatives violent. Amazing and sad. Not a peep about criticizing Democrat inspired political violence. Imagine if a conservative had done this. The outrage would be long and loud. Imagine, just for a moment, if a conservative had done to obummer what Kathy Giffords did to Trump (mock beheading). Where's the outrage on the left?

This is called hypocrisy.

So, liberals, more one line quips coming? Keep doing what you're doing, please. This will ensure your political power continues to erode.

Your ole pal

Aaron Whittnel

USS Rodger Young

Sarkazein said...

These are some tweets from a Washington Post writer- CLICK HERE

This is what our liberal colleges are giving us and what the environment must be like in the Washington Post.

Blogger said...


An anonymous wrote: “Threats of violence have been directed towards liberals on this blog by virtually all conservative contributors.” When an anonymous person makes such a blatant, outrageous lying charge as this, I don’t know how to respond. Over the years of this blog, I have taken on the onerous task of reading every comment. Lib you are just flat out lying and should be ashamed of yourself. You owe everyone an apology and a retraction.

Nobody said...

"You owe everyone an apology and a retraction."

Blogger, don't hold your breath. Being liberal means never having to say you're sorry.

Lib POV is in the same camp as this guy -- occasional Washington Post writer and rabid leftist millennial kid Malcolm Harris. Here is a sampling of some of his tweets in the wake of the shooting:

“Hearing ‘David Duke without the baggage’ Steve Scalise is stable, but a lot of Americans die from hospital errors so keep crossing your fing[ers],”

"If the shooter has a serious health condition then is taking potshots at the GOP house leadership considered self defense?"

"Nope nope nope you can't use "respect for human life" to defend GOP house leadership. That's just bad math."

Blogger said...

Other low lifes: Snoop Dogg "Shoots" Trump in the Head in Music Video

Marilyn Manson Kills 'Trump' in Music Video

Anonymous said...

Blogger your ethics have been called into question numerous times and not published here. You have no credibility. No apology or retraction is forthcoming. The notion that liberals should be destroyed or exterminated has been a running theme here from the beginning.

Wolf's Head said...

"The notion that liberals should be destroyed or exterminated has been a running theme here from the beginning. " anon

Well, since there are over 600,000 abortions each year, and since liberals are the ones who have abortions you seem to be doing a good job of exterminating yourselves.

Keep up the good work!

Blogger said...

The congressmen were hunkered down in a concrete bunker. If just one of them had been carrying, the shooter would have been toast.

Sarkazein said...

Somehow the Goofus can't remember for more than 1 day the answers to his goofy questions, yet he thinks he can remember what was never said over the past couple of years. Goofus never had credibility so he has nothing to lose. He developed in his mind his misconceptions and thinks everyone is hearing the same voices in his head that he hears between the dial tone he normally hears when those voices quieten.

Sarkazein said...

Goofus thinks if he hears Conservatives say they want to kill ISIS or kill in self defense gang bangers like MS 13, he thinks I am talking about the Democrat Party.

Blogger said...

Anon 3:51 PM If anyone is interested in what Anon is alluding to it is the following: After he had ventilated and ventilated about Trump, one day, tongue in cheek, I wrote that I would have to start charging him for psychotherapy for his Trump Derangement Syndrome. Apparently Anon does not do tongue in cheek well. He went weird on me, charging me with violating my professional ethics. In that I don’t have a clue who Anon is, the whole thing was ridiculous. However, because he seemed so upset, I deleted the exchange.

Sarkazein said...

he wrote- " The notion that liberals should be destroyed or exterminated has been a running theme here from the beginning."




Sarkazein said...

Many Democrat leaders have said- Republicans want kill people. The warped Bernie Sanders follower/shooter probably thought he was acting in self defense.

Sarkazein said...

should read: Democrat leaders have said- Republicans want to kill people.

USS Rodger Young said...

noneyouse coward said

"Blogger your ethics have been called into question numerous times and not published here. You have no credibility. No apology or retraction is forthcoming. The notion that liberals should be destroyed or exterminated has been a running theme here from the beginning"

The empathy and kindness in this 3 sentences is astounding isn't it? He's actually defending the actions of his fellow extremist liberal Democrats!!!! Not one liberal socialist sheep has spoken against the political violence that has taken place over the past year. Where's the empathy and kindness that liberal socialist sheep continually babble about on this site? noneymouse coward (notice lower case) seems like he is unable to cope with Trump winning the election. His barely comprehensible sentence fragments point to an inability to accept something outside his personal satisfaction. Certainly a warning sign. Blogger, your a shrink - does noneymouse coward need to be in a secure nuthouse somewhere?

Despite noneymouse cowards coping issues, the fact still remains: We won, you lost. Enjoy Donald Trump, the Commander in Chief of the United States of America. God Bless the USA!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

You have completely betrayed your professional ethics as presented by American Counseling Association.

Allow me to remind the audience:

The Preamble to the ACA (American Counseling Association)
Most of these have been violated, with particular attention to 2),3)

1.
enhancing human development throughout the life span;
2.
honoring diversity and embracing a multicultural approach in support of the worth, dignity, potential, and
uniqueness of people within their social and cultural contexts;
3.
promoting social justice;
4.
safeguarding the integrity of the counselor–client relationship; and
5.
practicing in a competent and ethical manner

The entirety can be found here:
http://www.counseling.org/docs/ethics/2014-aca-code-of-ethics.pdf?sfvrsn=4

Anonymous said...

"The congressmen were hunkered down in a concrete bunker. If just one of them had been carrying, the shooter would have been toast."

Fortunately, trained, security detail, professionals were there and handled the situation appropriately. In case you didn't hear, the shooter was killed.

USS Rodger Young said...

I just went over to Watauga Watch to see what they were saying about the Virginia Ballpark shooter and violence in general. Not a peep. Nothing, nada, zilch. They are fumbling about still pinning hopes that Mueller is going to "investigate" Trump. What a bunch of extremists!!! These folks are about as stupid a group as exists in Watauga County. One other thing I noted was the lack of posts on any given thread. Many have zero posts. Conservatives are the reason their site has been relegated to obscurity. My, and other, truth posts ruined them many years ago showcasing their extremism and lack of tolerance. This same extremism and lack of tolerance is on full display today.

USS Rodger Young

Anonymous said...

"..to see what they were saying about the Virginia Ballpark shooter.."

It's over. What else do you need to know? Oh yeah, Doomsday Preppers still keeps you up at night.

Sarkazein said...

One less Sanders/Hillary voter.

Sarkazein said...

I take that back, he will probably vote again. He's from Illinois.

Sarkazein said...

It's over when we say it's over.

guy faulkes said...

Blogger, I wish to congratulate you on your upcoming award from the American Counseling Association. I feel certain one is coming because Goofus attacked your ethics. As he is always 100% wrong, your getting an award is inevitable.

Seriously, due to your posts over the years, I have developed a great deal of respect for your field. I previously had little to none. Thank you.

Nobody said...

Anonymous,

You are a vile and despicable human being. You, sir, have NO credibility here. You have not even said a single word condemning the violent shooting itself -- your silence speaks volumes. And then, you attempt to attack blogger for violating ethics?!? How can he "violate the integrity of the counselor-client relationship" when he A) does not know who you are, and B) apparently has never officially worked with you in such a relationship. "Social Justice" is a BS term that is undefined. As far as "honoring diversity, how well do YOU "honor diversity?" Do YOU allow that people may have intellectual diversity? Do YOU respect the right of conservatives to think and believe as they do, based on their social and cultural background? Do you respect the right of religious persons to live their lives based on their beliefs? Obviously, you support the right of Muslims to act on their beliefs (by killing infidels) but you seem to believe that Christians have NO right to live by their beliefs.

I never expected you to condemn the hateful, violent-inducing rhetoric of your ideology. I never expected you to apologize for lying about the threats of violence you claim occurred on this blog, an accusation you cannot and have not substantiated with any proof whatsoever (you are a LIAR). I did have hope you would at least condemn the actual shooting. You have failed to do so. You have NO right to EVER accuse any conservative here for lacking "humanity" or "compassion" on this blog ever again.

Anonymous said...

Nobody

This was a tragic event, likely carried out by a lone wolf 66-year-old James T. Hodgkinson of Belleville, Ill. Information about Mr. Hodgkinson is developing. The details we seem to know is he had an assault charge in 2006 that suggests anger management issues. From Nobody's above post he also could have similar issues. All others who encountered Mr. Hodgkinson suggest he was a normal citizen with an active interest in public policy and working well within legal constitutional political rights.
Violence is never justified or productive choice for political change.
I have personally witnessed anger at the cruelty of Conservative public policy which had life and death consequences for individuals expressing anguish at Republican politicians lack of empathy, humanity and personal knowledge of their political decisions.
We don't yet know if Mr. Hodgkinson was such a person, suffering personally from conservatives political decisions.
My heart felt sympathy is with Congressman Scalise and his family as he struggles with painful recovery and reduced quality of life. Congressman Scalise joins Congresswoman Gifford, Rep Leo Ryan, Sen. John Stennis, Sen. Robert Kennedy and 12 other congressional members who were victims of similar violence.
As tragic as this senseless event was, the unnecessary, strictly political explosion of under regulated military style weapons and high capacity ammunition clips is a a failure in American decision making. This week it was America's political leadership but imagine those same type weapons being used on 29 pre kindergartens ages 4, 5 and 6 and their teachers. Access to these killing machines, open carry laws and allowing the mentally ill going unscreened is insane.
Liberals are and historically have pushed back against authoritarian conservative ideology through America 's institutions of a free press, free speech ( protest) the courts, the arts and education. Yes, even legal bad comedy, as with Kathy Griffith or protest songs by the Dixie Chick. The Republican base avoids America's institutions and stock piles, anger, hate and weapons with the encouragement of the NRA and Trump. We've had 40 years of Rush and similar hate mongering voices who do so on a daily bases not the one time 3 minute song by Madonna during a protest.

Nobody said...

What a load of crap. Information is developing??? And thank you. You did exactly what I expected any good liberal to do -- spend more time blaming the gun. And Republicans. Suggesting I have anger management issues. Trying to spin this into a "Republican policies are to blame. I'll bet you blame women when they get raped, too. You are pathetic.

Liberals spew more hateful rhetoric than conservatives and it isn't even close. When they think they have an example of violence committed by or inspired by conservatives, they can't shut up about it. Here we have a clear example of a liberal committing a heinous act of violence against conservatives, making clear comments about his intentions and motives on social media, and anonymous says, "Information is still developing." Liberals are so stupid. Islamic terrorists commit acts of terrorism and clearly state their intent and motives, and liberals "can't understand" and express greater concern over the possibility that "Islamophobia" might result. Here, they say, "We can't REALLY know what his reasons are -- maybe he was "hurt" by Republican policies." But with Giffords, liberals were so quick to draw concrete conclusions (It was Sarah Palin's fault!) that wound up being wrong. Not just pathetic, but an evil, pathetic idiot.

Anonymous said...

Nobody and Fellow Conservatives

The above post by Nobody illustrates the contrast between liberal and conservative reactions to political differences.
Notice Nobody's personal attacks on his debate opponents "You are pathetic ", " Liberals are so stupid " .
Liberals support ethical, factual journalism and America's institutions, courts, free speech and free press rights and scientific knowledge.
Republicans have recently been advocating voter suppression, gerrymandering, attacking journalists and support NRA rhetoric of guns to defend gun ownership.
Liberal comments here generally are attack conservative public policy and pointing out why conservative public policy is either unethical, unconstitutional or a human rights violation, not personal attacks. Because you take it personally doesn't change the fact it was an argument against conservative public policy.

Nobody said...

Anonymous,

My accusation that you are stupid and pathetic is factual. This is based on years of repeatedly smacking down every thing you have ever stated here on this blog, and you continually repeat the same, as Guy says, "La, La, La" chant, ignoring all attempts to rebut and engage you with factual, logical arguments. There can only be one explanation -- you do not have the mental acuity to remember anything said to you. Therefore, you are pathetic and stupid.

The previous comment by anonymous -- maybe you, maybe a different anonymous -- truly is pathetic. While it makes the statement, "Violence is never justified or productive choice for political change," you (or another author) then spends the majority of that comment justifying and rationalizing the violence. The comment is almost completely an attack on conservatives and conservative positions as a possible explanation for the shooting of five people. THAT, sir, is despicable, evil and pathetic. No person who takes such a position has any authority to speak of "human rights." The most basic of human right is life, and you, by refusing to unequivocally condemn such acts, are supporting the taking of life for political purposes.

Anonymous said...

Nobody, continues petty personal attacks but avoids serious discussion of Conservative failed public policy whether wasting public funds defending unconstitutional conservative legislation ( HB 2 ) (voter suppression) ( gerrymandering) or failed trickle down economics.

Nobody said...

Liar. I have defended conservative policies here over and over, embarrassing you thoroughly in the process. You just don't (can't?) remember. Besides, this thread is about the act of political terrorism committed by a fellow liberal, and the fact that you still refuse to condemn such actions.

Will you condemn murder in the name of politics or not? Answer!!!

Anonymous said...

I condemn the republicans that would deny healthcare, in the name of politics, to others so that they may live. Do you support healthcare for all or only to those that can afford it? Answer!!!!

Nobody said...

Quit trying to hijack the thread. This is why you were banned from this forum -- you refuse to stick to the topic of the discussion and repeat your mindless talking points and buzzwords.

The topic of this thread is the violent act of political terrorism and the possibility that this particular individual is a product of the hateful rhetoric of extreme leftists like you. Will you condemn the shooting or not?

It must have really stuck in your craw that Democratic congresspersons PRAYED for the victims of this shooting. You will not even condemn the shooting but try, instead, to turn this into a policy discussion on healthcare. You deserve the label of pathetic idiot.

Whitey said...

As with the muslims you will not find rank and file democrats denouncing violence, they thrive on it.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/16/this-list-of-attacks-against-conservatives-is-mind-blowing/

For the sake of the country all liberals should be barred from owning guns or other weapons.

It's for the children.

Anonymous said...

Why is do you suppose Conservatives want to get their information from unethical, fear and hate mongering propaganda sources rather than actual ethical award winning journalist from around the world? Many journalists die trying to deliver the truth or at least trying to find the truth.

Nobody said...

Lib POV Anonymous,

Will you or will you not condemn the shooting of five people by this Bernie supporter who said on his Facebook, "It's time to destroy Trump & Company."

Wolf's Head said...

I agree Whitey. You and I have talked about this before, and now I'm see it online from others as well.

Liberals are a threat to everyone around them. But since Trump was elected they have gone bats**t crazy.

Their violence must be stopped.

Anonymous said...

Nobody

Did you miss this in a post at 10:45AM?
"Violence is never justified or productive choice for political change."

Anonymous said...

HAHAHA!!! I revel in your hysterical nonsense! Please, keep air jabbing with your pointless, senseless, craven, racist rambling.

Wolf, how are YOU going to stop this violence? Cry me a river.

Nobody said...

Anon Lib POV,
Read my comment at 1:52. You spent most of your comment seeking to justify this despicable act by blaming conservative policy. And the statement you made is so generic. Be specific! Condemn this particular act or we will all be forced to conclude that you sympathize with the shooter and most likely support his action. We all actually suspect this to be true already, and having to lead you by the hand in this way only supports this conclusion.

Anonymous said...

Nobody

I have no control over what's in your head.

Anonymous said...

Congress voted to give the mentally ill the right to own firearms and you are astonished when the mentally ill shoots a congressman. Explain.

Wolf's Head said...

He wasn't mentally ill, just another average democrat.

Well, guess you have to be both to be an average democrat.

guy faulkes said...

"Wolf, how are YOU going to stop this violence?" - Goofus

The Wolf and I share the same opinion of how to stop the violence. This opinion has been that of many others. Some pf these include Robert Heinlein - "an armed society is a polite society."; " The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun.." - Patrick Henry; "When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace" - The Bible: Luke 11-21; etc.

We would have to eliminate gun free criminal safety zones. Also, it would help if the anti-gun crowd would live up to their social responsibility to defend themselves, their families, and the public at large. When criminals realize that if they open the door to violence more will come through than they can handle, the door will remain closed. Criminals in prison have long stated their greatest fear is an armed victim.

Anonymous said...

Guy

Here's an excellent example of why Conservative logic fails.

Imagine is even half of the citizens had been armed and only one third of those started shootings? How would professional police or the other amateurs know who the real threat was? Police and amateur, Clint Eastwood wanta-bes would all be shooting each other.

Sarkazein said...

Goofus- Cops can be shot in their own cro...... what am I thinking. Typing practice I don't need... spelling and sentence structure probably. He makes my day with his stupidity.

Sarkazein said...

This is Loretta Lynch calling for blood in the streets. The Alexandria Democrat Socialist terrorist got the message-

CLICK HERE

Sarkazein said...

The anti-LibPOV/Anonymous/Goofus

PULL TRIGGER HERE

Anonymous said...

"When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace" - The Bible: Luke 11-21; etc.

I didn't realize there were handguns and rifles in biblical times.

guy faulkes said...

Goofus, you are still 100% incorrect. Your 1:14 post is the same tired old talking point that the left has used for years to argue against guns (in particular concealed carry). This is bull. It has never happened.

Your 7:52 post is another example of your inability to think fr yourself. This one is the leftist talking point you have been taught to use to try to argue against the second amendment. The arms of the time changes. The principle behind use of the arms ro control crime does not.

Gun free zones are the places of choice for these idiots that commit these types of shootings. These zones provide them with a target rich environment and the time to take advantage of people being helpless because it takes time fr law enforcement personnel to arrive. It waa only luck that the police were on site in Virginia.

Real world data supports "conservative logic" and once again proves you wrong.



Nobody said...

Lib POV/Anonymous said, "Information about Mr. Hodgkinson is developing."

How about this developing information: The shooter had a list of Republican congresspersons. A hit list? I'll link to CNN, since you question other sources:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/16/politics/james-hodgkinson-list-congressmen/index.html

Still refusing to condemn the shooting without simultaneously excusing it? At least Bernie Sanders himself had the human decency to do so, even if you don't.

Anonymous said...

Guy

What "real world Data"? America's homocide rate is 25 times higher than othe developed countries. 50 women in America die each month by an gun owning intimate partner.
https://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-by-the-numbers/

Anonymous said...

Nobody

Mr. Hodgkinson is dead. What more do you want? There are other " Mr. Hodgkinson " out there with serious mental health issues but varying political ideology. The things they have in common are lack of affordable mental heat treatment and easy access to guns.

Nobody said...

Soooooo, the answer is, "No," you will not condemn this shooting. Vile. Despicable. The point of this conversation now is whether or not YOU will personally disavow behavior like this. You have shown your true colors. YOU have no empathy, humanity or civility. YOU have NO credibility on these issues. YOU have NO right to EVER accuse Republicans/conservatives of lacking humanity or empathy ever again.

And this is now the second time you have made a statement to the effect of saying, "It's over, get over it. The shooter is dead." Maybe. But the ISSUE is not. The issue is the hateful, violence-inducing rhetoric of the far left and whether or not people like you have the decency to condemn it and stop it. If there are more "mentally ill" persons out there like Mr. Hodgkinson (and you are blaming this act on mental illness to avoid any culpability on the part of liberals), don't you think it would be a good idea to condemn and disavow such actions and hateful rhetoric in order to avoid goading such people into these types of actions in the future? Don't you think that a "mentally ill" person COULD be influenced by the rhetoric s/he is being exposed to from the far left on a regular basis? And doesn't the failure of people like you to strongly and without equivocation condemn such actions serve as implicit support for such actions?

I know that's a long post with lots of big words and you probably won't understand most of it, but my point is made for people with an above-sixth grade reading ability.

Nobody said...

Lib POV's failure to condemn shooting belies a similar attitude to this guy -- Dem strategist launches hashtags, "#huntrepublicancongressmen" after shooting.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/17/dem-strategist-devine-launches-huntrepublicancongressmen-scalise-shooting/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social

This is only logical. Dems/Libs have described Repubs/conservatives as fascists and Hitler for as long as I can remember (long before Trump). Wouldn't anyone, if given the chance, kill Hitler before his rise to power? Violence, even killing, repubs/conservatives is absolutely justified in the minds of people like Lib POV and the radical left. His continual refusal to denounce this heinous act is motivated by his unspoken support of the act.

Anonymous said...

Nobody

Would you like to have a rational discussion on right wing "Alt Right political extremists?

"In the past 10 years when you look at murders committed by domestic extremists in the United States of all types, right-wing extremists are responsible for about 74 percent of those murders," Pitcavage says."

http://www.npr.org/2017/06/16/533255619/fact-check-is-left-wing-violence-rising

Anonymous said...

Nobody

"Who and where are the perpetrators of far-right extremist attacks?
According to Perliger’s research at West Point, 54 percent of such attacks since 1990 in which the perpetrators were caught or identified were carried out by a single individual. About 75 percent of all perpetrators identified were 29 years old or younger.

Perliger also notes that attacks have moved beyond states in the South—the birthplace of groups such as the KKK and the site of major attacks during the 1960s—to places including California, New York, Illinois, and Pennsylvania. “The existence of significant minority groups in the different states appears linked with the level of far-right violence they experience,” Perliger says. In a recent editorial, the Southern Poverty Law Center’s Morris Dees and J. Richard Cohen argued that far-right extremism is gaining ground beyond state boundaries: “Unlike those of the civil rights era, whose main goal was to maintain Jim Crow in the American South, today’s white supremacists don’t see borders; they see a white tribe under attack by people of color across the globe.…The days of thinking of domestic terrorism as the work of a few Klansmen or belligerent skinheads are over.”
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/06/right-wing-extremism-explainer-charleston-mass-shooting-terrorism/

Sarkazein said...

When I first read about the Alexandria Democrat Socialist shooter and his views, I thought it was LPOV. The fact he was such a poor shot made me think it for sure. The shooter has almost identical misconceptions as LPOV. His jealousy of those who are financially successful in life are identical. I would bet the shooter was also so warped (like LPOV) he thought the highly trained armed police were there to help him.

Anonymous said...

Sarkazein's comment above is another example of Conservatives being unwilling to have a respectful debate on conservative issues. Instead of a respectful debate of issues of gerrymandering, voter suppression, low wages, mass incarceration, income inequality, bigotry, unrelated weapons, human rights, Russian propaganda or Trump's failing Administration a petty personal attack is made.

Sarkazein said...

The Goofus asks for "respectful debate" then goes on to call Conservatives bigots etc. in the same comment.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Sarkazein, is it your assertion, there's no bigotry in America or within the Conservative ranks? Bigotry ias one of many issues we have the opportunity to respectfully debate. I would also add healthcare as a basic human right, world class public education and global climate change.

Anonymous said...

Mr. Sarkazein, is it your assertion, there's no bigotry in America or within the Conservative ranks? Bigotry ias one of many issues we have the opportunity to respectfully debate. I would also add healthcare as a basic human right, world class public education and global climate change.

Nobody said...

Hijacking the thread again. When you have nothing to say, you default to the same old buzzword/talking points that you've been repeating like a parrot for years.

You STILL haven't unconditionally condemned the shooting in Virginia. I will hound you on this with every post until you do. I will refuse to engage you on any issue until you do.

You are pathetic and vile for not condemning this obvious political terrorist act committed by a diehard liberal, probably influenced by rhetoric that sounds identical to you on this blog. Find me proof where a Cruz, Rubio or Trump supporter gunned down Democratic congresspersons and had a hit list with other Democratic congresspersons on them and report it here. There is NO such instance. Brainless moron.

Nobody said...

And Mother Jones and Southern Poverty Law Center are completely biased, unreliable, left-wing hack sites. Find reputable sources for your screeds.

Anonymous said...

Nobody

More hateful person attacks from conservatives not wanting to respectfully engage in serious discussion of political issues.

Nobody said...

Lib POV,

More refusal to disavow a violent, hateful shooting. Every time you comment without doing so makes you look worse and worse.

Anonymous said...

Nobody

Would you prefer Alex Jones and his Info Wars?
"The Southern Poverty Law Center is dedicated to fighting hate and bigotry and to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of our society. Using litigation, education, and other forms of advocacy, the SPLC works toward the day when the ideals of equal justice and equal opportunity will be a reality."
https://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do

Nobody said...

Rep. Scalise was a victim of hate and bigotry -- LIBERAL hate and bigotry. Do you oppose liberal hatred and violence? Do you condemn, unconditionally, acts of violence based on political hatred and bigotry? Even when it is a liberal doing the shooting? So far, you have shown NO willingness to do so. So you don't oppose ALL hate and bigotry. Hypocrite. Pathetic, vile, brainless hypocrite.

Nobody said...

Because you refuse to do the most basically human and decent thing in this case -- condemn the shooting of a Republican congressperson on a baseball field by one or your fellow radical liberals -- I will no longer bore the readers of this blog with this incessant back and forth. I will not reply to you any longer on any issue. You have proven yourself to be unworthy of response.

I have thoroughly demolished you and shown you to be a pure hypocrite. You toss out phrases about "equality" and "justice" but you are a person of pure hatred and anger. You have shown that you have no compassion for fellow human beings if those human beings are of a conservative persuasion. You have clearly demonstrated that you believe it is perfectly acceptable to kill and maim conservatives if it will help your liberal cause. You truly are a vile and despicable human being.

Anonymous said...

Nobody

"AWARDS AND ACCOLADES

Mother Jones recently won the prestigious 2017 National Magazine Award for Magazine of the Year. It has also been nominated for the National Magazine Award for General Excellence nine times in the magazine’s history, and has won three times. MoJo continues to win awards for its reporting, illustration, and photography.

2017

National Magazine Award (Magazine of the Year), Winner
Mother Jones

National Magazine Award (Best Reporting), Winner
"My Four Months as a Private Prison Guard"
Shane Bauer

National Magazine Award (General Excellence), Finalist
Mother Jones

American Psychoanalytic Award for Excellence in Journalism
“Inside the Race to Stop the Next Mass Shooter” and related coverage
Mark Follman

John Jay/Harry Frank Guggenheim Excellence in Criminal Justice Reporting Award
“My Four Months as a Private Prison Guard”
Shane Bauer

Goldsmith Prize for Investigative Reporting, Winner
“My Four Months as a Private Prison Guard”
Shane Bauer

GLAAD Media Award, Finalist
"The Methodist Church May Split Over LGBT Issues. Meet the Lesbian Bishop Caught in the Middle."
Becca Andrews

Anthony Shadid Award for Journalism Ethics, Finalist
“My Four Months as a Private Prison Guard”
Shane Bauer

Ancil Payne Award for Ethics in Journalism, Finalist
“My Four Months as a Private Prison Guard”
Shane Bauer

American Small Business League Journalistic Excellence Award
“Giant Corporations Are Reaping Billions From Federal ‘Small Business’ Contracts”
Josh Harkinson

?2017 Izzy Award, Winner
“My Four Months as a Private Prison Guard”
Shane Bauer

2016?

National Magazine Award (Best Reporting), Finalist
“The Fever”
David Ferry

SPJ NorCal Excellence in Journalism Award (Journalist of the Year)
Shane Bauer

James Madison Freedom of Information Award
Mother Jones

National Press Club Arthur Rowse Award for Press Criticism
“How the Media Inspires Mass Shooters”
Mark Follman

National Association of Black Journalists Salute to Excellence Award
“Black Deaths Matter"
Edwin Rios, Kai Wright, Justin Maxon

Folio Ozzie Award (Best Redesign)
Mother Jones

Association of Food Journalists (Best Food Column), Finalist
Tom Philpott

Association of Food Journalists (Best Writing on Beer, Wine or Spirits)
“Heart of Agave”
Ted Genoways

The Media Consortium’s Impact Award
“The True Cost of Gun Violence in America”
Mark Follman, Julia Lurie, Jaeah Lee, and James

http://www.motherjones.com/about/awards/

Nobody said...

Quoting Mother Jones about Mother Jones? Really? Liberals applauding liberals and anonymous thinks this is reliable. Mother Jones and SPLC are the left wing equivalents to Breitbart and the Federalist. If one can be dismissed, so can the other.


Mother Jones bias rating is Left.

Mother Jones (abbreviated MoJo) is a politically left-wing[2] American magazine, featuring investigative and breaking news reporting on politics, the environment, human rights, and culture. Monika Bauerlein and Clara Jeffery serve as co-editors. Madeleine Buckingham has served as Chief Executive Officer and Steve Katz as Publisher since 2010.

The magazine was named after Mary Harris Jones, called Mother Jones, an Irish-American trade union activist, opponent of child labor, and self-described "hellraiser". She was a part of the Knights of Labor, the Industrial Workers of the World,[3] the Social Democratic Party,[3] the Socialist Party of America,[3] the United Mine Workers of America,[3] and the Western Federation of Miners. The stated mission of Mother Jones is to produce revelatory journalism that in its power and reach informs and inspires a more just and democratic world.

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/mother-jones

Done. Good Night.

Anonymous said...

Nobody,

Chill man, no one has a personal hate or even dislike of you, it's your political ideology, I believe to be wrong, not because you're a bad person but because you're misinformed by propaganda funded by greedy billionaires.
All of the hate and anger is bad for your health.

Sarkazein said...

I'm with Nobody.

Anonymous said...

Mother Jones does report on mostly liberal issues of labor rights, environmental protection, human rights, civil rights and LBGTQ rights but that doesn't mean they aren't professional journalists.
Southern Law Poverty Center must be factual and must be able to prove in a court of Law their client deserves to win, which they usually do.

Anonymous said...

Nobody

This is from your earlier 7:56pm post.
" American magazine, featuring investigative and breaking news reporting on politics, the environment, human rights, and culture."
"The stated mission of Mother Jones is to produce revelatory journalism that in its power and reach informs and inspires a more just and democratic world.

Does this mean you oppose human rights, civil rights, professional journalism ( truth) , or a just and Democratic world?

guy faulkes said...

Nobody, one has a difficult time when trying to debate a person such as Goofus. Goofus does not debate. He engages in what is essentially mental masturbation. His proofs are opinion pieces that match his opinion. Notice his link to an anti-gun organization that is funded by a liberal billionaire (that makes it all right) to the point that people are paid by this man to demonstrate against guns. The point being discussed was more guns equal less crime so he changes the subject with fake news. This is his MO along with his La La La La La repeat of the big lie. The sad thing is that I believe that he actually thinks he is successfully making a point.

Maybe his posts should automatically be put in the vent page thread as he never stays on topic. If we ignore him on specific threads, he feels as if he has proved his point. It is difficult to ignore eh outrageous things he posts such as his tactical approval of the Virginia shooting. Limiting him to the vent page lets him play with himself and keeps the other threads on topic.

guy faulkes said...

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/how-gun-control-hurts-women/article/2611229

Anonymous said...

Guy, want to get in on the personal attacks as he confirms republican solutions to major political including gun violence is more guns and easier access.
Does this mean Guy is also opposed to human rights, civil rights, professional journalism, environmental protection, labor rights and healthcare as a basic human right ?

guy faulkes said...

Goofus, what does your question have to do with gun control, the topic I was discussing? You brought it up with your propaganda post and now you run from it.

Anonymous said...

Guy

Guns in the hands of citizens with mental health issue or anger management issues has proven to be deadly. Unregulated firearms in America has proven to be deadly. Firearm sales without vetting the purchaser ( Gun Shows ) has proven to be deadly. Loaded unsecured Firearms in homes, vehicles and purses has proven to be deadly. Legally purchased, vetted, with permit to carry firearms in the possession of a non violent, law abiding African American citizen during a routine traffic stop ( broken tail light ) has proven to be deadly. High capacity magazines have proven to increased casualties of innocent citizens and have no place in the general public. AR 15 style weapons have no purpose in the general public and have proven to be deadly to innocent citizens and law enforcement.

Wolf's Head said...

Liberals and democrats with guns are deadly, they should be banned.

Liberals and democrats that is.

All liberals should have to register with the ATF so they can be barred from owning guns.

It's for the children....

guy faulkes said...

Goofus, anything you can name has proved to be deadly at one point or another. Guns save lives by reducing crime. End of story. They are used to deter crime by orders of magnitude greater than they are misused.

Once again, your opinions are 100% incorrect. Gun ownership is up. Crime and gun accidents are down.

It might interest members of the blog to know that constitutional concealed carry has passed the N.C. House and is before the Senate. This bill also contains provisions for firearms safety classes in high school. It is unknown if the
senate will pass it in time for the House to confirm it. If it does not pass, I predict some interesting primary races.

Wolf's Head said...

Guy, this is what anon wants. Gun owners killed for being gun owners.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-20/execution-firing-squad-militarized-police-state-opens-fire

"Legally owning a gun in America could get you killed by a government agent.

While it still technically remains legal to own a firearm in America, possessing one can now get you pulled over, searched, arrested, subjected to all manner of surveillance, treated as a suspect without ever having committed a crime, shot at and killed."

Anonymous said...

Perhaps the 5-0 will rid us all of the meddlesome LPov