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Wednesday, July 5, 2017

Why Liberals Hate Us

 
 In the “What’s the matter with Kansas?” era, elite liberals seemed to genuinely believe that people who don’t vote for them are just poor, deluded saps who don’t understand what was in their own best interest.”   James O’Keefe caught a CNN producer on camera saying he thinks that the American voters are “stupid as sh*t.”

 “This sort of thinking comes from the fact that liberalism is shot through with narcissism. Narcissists believe they’re better than everyone else just by virtue of being who they are. So do liberals. Liberals also believe they’re smarter, more compassionate and more caring just because they’re on the Left.”   (Boy, doesn’t that sound familiar?)

This author nailed it perfectly.  Every sentence is packed.  He deserves to have his short treatise read by everyone. John Hawkins
Posted by Nobody


85 comments:

Wolf's Head said...

Na, the reason liberals are the way they are and why they hate is is that they are just as*holes.

Anonymous said...

Liberals don't hate Conservatives, they just refuse to accept Conservative Public Policy of authoritarianism, greed, cruelty, injustice, theocracy, bigotry, fear mongering and anti science.
Our role models are Jimmy Carter, FDR, Pete Seeger, Mother Jones, Diane Nash, Malala Yousafzai, Michelle Obama, Christiane Amanpour, Ellen Degeneres, Oprah, President Obama, Pope Frances,Eleanor Roosevelt, Martin Luther King Jr, Morris Dees, Justin Trudeau and Jonas Salk none have a history of hate.

Nobody said...

You don't hate conservatives? Then why do you refuse to unconditionally condemn the shooting of conservatives? Hypocrite.

Anonymous said...

Nobody

Honest debating does not include you having the ability to speak for both sides of the debate. You're practicing a form of bigotry common among Conservatives, too lazy to think. The world has 1.6 billion Muslims and 2 billion Christians, you shouldn't judge either group on the actions of one individual act of violence.
Who are your Conservative Role models?

Nobody said...

The Hawkins article linked to a list of violent attacks against conservatives supporting the claim that liberals hate conservatives and are more than willing to physically attack them. This clearly contradicts Lib POV's ignorance of the hate and violence of the left. I'll give the link and copy and paste a small sampling of the list -- each with a link to the news article detailing the attack:

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/16/this-list-of-attacks-against-conservatives-is-mind-blowing/

November 2016:

-A high school student was attacked after she wrote that she supported Trump on social media. The perpetrator ripped her glasses off and punched her in the face.

-The president of Cornell University’s College Republicans was assaulted the night after Trump won the election.

-Students protesting Trump punched and kicked a Maryland high school student wearing a Make America Great Again hat.

-A high school student was arrested in Florida after he punched a classmate for carrying a Trump sign at school.

-A group of black men in Chicago attacked a white man while raging against Trump.

-Maryland high school students punched a student who was demonstrating in support of Trump, and then kicked him repeatedly while he was on the ground.

-“You support Trump. You hate Mexicans,” a California high school student yelled at a Trump supporter, before viciously beating the girl.

-An anti-bullying ambassador was arrested for shoving a 74-year-old man to the ground in a fight outside Trump tower where people upset over his win had gathered. The woman tied to Black Lives Matter caused the man to hit his head on the sidewalk.

-A Texas elementary school student was beaten by his classmates for voting for Trump in a mock election.

-Two men punched and kicked a Connecticut man who was standing with an American flag and a Trump sign.

December 2016:

-A Trump supporter was beaten and dragged by a car.

January 2017:

-A Trump supporter was knocked unconscious after airport protesters repeatedly beat him on the head.

-A Trump supporter was attacked after putting out a fire started by anti-Trump protesters.

-When Trump protesters encountered a driver with a pro-Trump flag on his car, they surrounded the vehicle, ripped off and began burning the flag, and pounded the car. They also punctured one the tires.

February 2017:

-Protestors knocked a 71-year-old female staffer for California GOP Rep. Dana Rohrabacher unconscious during a protest outside the representative’s office.

March 2017:

-Masked protesters at Middlebury College rushed AEI scholar and political scientist Charles Murray and professor Allison Stranger, pushing and shoving Murray and grabbing Stranger by her hair and twisting her neck as they were leaving a campus building. Stranger suffered a concussion. Protesters then surrounded the car they got into, rocking it back and forth and jumping on the hood.

April 2017:

-A parade in Portland, Ore.,was canceled after threats of violence were made against a Republican organization.

-Fears of violent protests shut down Ann Coulter’s UC Berkeley speech. Campus police had gathered intel on protesters who were planning to commit violence.

May 2017:

– Republican Rep. Tom Garrett, his family and his dog were targeted by a series of repeated death threats deemed credible by authorities.

-FBI agents arrested a person for threatening to shoot Republican Rep. Martha McSally over her support for Trump.

-Police in Tennessee charged a woman for allegedly trying to run Republican Rep. David Kustoff off the road.

-A former professor was arrested after police said they identified him on video beating Trump supporters with a U-shaped bike lock, leaving three people with “significant injuries.”

June 2017:

-James Hodgkinson opened fire on a congressional GOP baseball practice, injuring five, including House Majority Whip Steve Scalise.

-Republican Rep. Claudia Tenney received an email threat that read, “One down, 216 to go,” shortly after the shooting at the Republican congressional baseball practice.

Nobody said...

Mother Jones and other liberal hack sites will not report these instances because it doesn't fit the narrative they attempt to establish. That's called bias. Open your eyes and your mind.

Nobody said...

So your reply STILL does not include an unconditional condemnation of the shooting of conservatives?

What you refuse to condemn, you condone.

The bulk of your comment makes no sense in the context of this thread, which is about liberal hatred and violence. Maybe you meant to post this comment on a different thread regarding religion? Your ignorance is without limit.

Anonymous said...

Nobody

The United States has 321.4 million citizens. Many of those citizens feel personally threatened by Trump and his supporters. Trump's calls for deportation is personal to millions of latinos, Trumps dehumanizing believers of the Islamic faith is personal to citizens and families like the Gold Star Khan family. African American citizens know Trump's unconditional support of police means they won't be held accountable for police brutality, or killing people of color with little or no reasonable threat, like the young boy holding a toy gun alone in a park in Ohio.
Violence is never the answer, half truths serve no purpose in finding common ground.
In your comment above you continue down the path of lazy thinking, by wanting to paint a majority of America's citizens who oppose Trump, with your broad brush of bigotry based on a tiny percentage of the tens of millions who find Trump unqualified to be President of the USA.

Anonymous said...

Nobody

Who are your Conservative Role models?

guy faulkes said...

Goofus, many of your role models are almost as contemptible as you. Other are admirable in many ways.

A person's role models are unique to him. If you are interested, mine include John Wayne, Charlton Heston. Patric Henry, Alvin York,John M. Browning, Lewis B. Puller,Ronald Reagan, and Jesus Christ.

Many citizens feel threatened by the violent left. This is with demonstrated good reasons. It is hard to believe even you condone such violence.

Anonymous said...

Guy

Interesting many of your role models are Hollywood Actors, playing action characters in violent movies of war or criminals. Others are weapons manufactors or dealers for war and violence. Their fortunes were made by the failures to keep peace by compromise and negotiation. Others were soldiers thrust into the war machine, like millions of other poor citizens, to fight often the rich man's war while the children of the rich have other options.
Which Jesus are you referring, the Republican mean Jesus or the Jesus who heals the sick, and teaches love?

Nobody said...

Lib,

Which specific comments of mine demonstrate my "bigotry?"

What did you think of the list of violent acts committed by liberals such as yourself against conservatives? That wasn't even the entire list! Follow the link and read the article. Open your eyes and your mind.

And you still have not UNCONDITIONALLY condemned the shooting of republicans. Let me define UNCONDITIONALLY for you since I know perfectly well that you are too stupid to understand. UNCONDITIONALLY means making a statement without qualifying that statement in any way. You said, "Violence is never the answer, half truths serve no purpose in finding common ground." FAIL! You immediately "CONDITIONED" your statement with another statement. And you were not specific.

I do not judge anyone for the actions of another person. I DO judge people for when they REFUSE to condemn an obvious wrong as you have refused to condemn this shooting.

What you refuse to condemn, you condone. You cannot speak about "compassion" and "human rights" and "empathy" when you yourself refuse to demonstrate such characteristics regarding the attempted assassination of conservatives at a baseball practice. Hypocrite.

Anonymous said...

Nobody

It's obvious you don't understand the term bigotry.
"bigotry
noun
prejudice, bias, partiality, partisanship, sectarianism, discrimination, unfairness, injustice; intolerance, narrow-mindedness, fanaticism, dogmatism; racism, racialism, sexism, heterosexism, homophobia, chauvinism, anti-Semitism, jingoism; US Jim Crowism. ANTONYMS tolerance. "

You are engaging in lazy thinking or failure to do critical thinking.
During the Jim Crow Era Blacks were dehumanized by using true, half true or lies to board brush all people of color, by the actions of a few events that may or may not be true. During Nazi Germany Jews, Romas and Homosexual were dehumanized by using true, half true or lies to board brush all people of Jewish faith, Roma decent or homosexual, by the actions of a few events that may or may not be true. During World War II all Japanese Americans were rounded up and dehumanized by using true, half true or lies to board brush all people of Japanese decent, by the actions of a few events that may or may not be true.You and way too many Conservatives are currently doing the same thing today.

Anonymous said...

Blogger

Conservatives have a long history of being on the wrong side of Justice, science, history itself and human rights.

Nobody said...

Lib,

YOU are the one engaging in "lazy" thinking. Actually, I think you may be trying your best, but, poor thing, it's all you are capable of!

I asked you what specific comments of MINE demonstrated MY personal "bigotry." I know what it is. You don't need to copy and paste a google definition, which, if anything, only demonstrates YOUR ignorance in that you cannot explain anything in your own words. You then prattle on and on about things that I personally had nothing to do with.

So I ask again, which SPECIFIC COMMENTS BY ME demonstrate MY bigotry? Copy and paste my comment that demonstrates "bigotry," since that seems to be all you can do.

And you have NO credibility when you demonstrate such hatred towards conservatism by refusing to UNCONDITIONALLY condemn the shooting of conservatives by a liberal at a baseball practice. Reread your own copy-and-paste definition and you will see that it is YOU who are the bigot here!!! "Partiality, partisanship, fanaticism, dogmatism" all describe YOU to a tee!

Nobody said...

Lib Anonymous said, "During World War II all Japanese Americans were rounded up and dehumanized by using true, half true or lies to board brush all people of Japanese decent, by the actions of a few events that may or may not be true."

Let's see, which American president issued the executive order interning Japanese-Americans? Oh yeah! It was Franklin D. Roosevelt! Wasn't that one of the people you identified at the top of this thread as a "liberal role model?" Why, yes, yes it was!

Good job!!!

Open your eyes and open your mind.

Hypocrite.

Anonymous said...

Nobody

Yes,it was FDR, our role models are also human and not perfect. FDR interning the Japanese in camps was a huge injustice and human rights violation driven by fear and dehumanizing ALL Japanese. The propaganda war to dehumanize the Japanese and their similar propaganda war cost thousands of lives and extend the Pacific War.
I'm not sure of the point you want to make. Liberals are able to also learn from history even when It's our people making the mistakes.

Anonymous said...

Nobody

Your post on July 6, 2017 at 9:46 AM is classic bigotry of hyping individual crimes, bad behavior, or ignorance to dehumanize, criminalize, or demonize and entire group. Here you're attacking 60% of the American population who disapprove of Trump.
I strongly oppose the degree with which guns are under regulated in America but I recognize most are good law abiding citizens. I disagree with Evangelicals support of right wing Politics but also recognize most ate not member of the KKK or Fascist hate groups.
Lots of billionaire money has been invested in Conservative propaganda to build the Conservative base.

Nobody said...

Lib Anonymous,

My post that you refer to was a copy and paste. You should have recognized that by A) the fact that you do that so much, and B) the fact that I stated it was a copy and paste.

Secondly, this list of criminal violent acts by liberals against conservatives serves as evidence that, yes, there is a lot of violent hatred on the left. There is no accusation that ALL people who disapprove of President Trump are conducting violence.

Thirdly, didn't liberals do exactly what you are accusing me of right now? Wasn't the liberal attitude towards the Tea Party movement one of broadly portraying all conservatives as hateful, racist bigots? The same thing that you do on this blog over and over and over? And this despite the fact that the Tea Party was a MUCH more peaceful movement than most liberal movements like Antifa or BLM! You are the one who is actually engaging in the bigotry you accuse others of! You deny that violence is a part of the left. I link to an article that gives example after example after example of the violence of the left against conservatives, and your response is, "That's bigoted!" Facts are not bigotry.

And the fact that you STILL refuse to UNCONDITIONALLY condemn the shooting of conservatives by a liberal activist at a baseball practice PROVES that you condone such actions. I continually tell you this, and you continually ignore it. I will hound you about this forever! You are a hateful, bigoted, prejudicial person who cannot tolerate those who disagree with you. And you have the gall to accuse others! Hypocrite!

Anonymous said...

"Which Jesus are you referring, the Republican mean Jesus or the Jesus who heals the sick, and teaches love?" anonymous

Probably the one that is going to send you to hell to spend eternity in the same call as Nixon.

Anonymous said...

Nobody

You're not posting facts, you're positing opinions on hyped individual crimes and misbehavior that may or may not be the complete story. https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/07/trump-supporter-arrested-for-playground-vandalism.html

guy faulkes said...

Goofus, what does your link have to do with your refusal to condemn acts of violence by liberals?

Nobody said...

Goofus said (I like that, Guy): "Yes,it was FDR, our role models are also human and not perfect."

Just curious, are you just as forgiving when conservatives make such mistakes? Or are liberal "mistakes" just mistakes while conservative "mistakes" evidence of hatred, racism, bigotry, etc.?

This should be interesting!

Anonymous said...

Nobody

I'm a student of history so society can learns from those mistakes of the past, whether those mistakes are made by a liberal or Conservatives makes no difference to me.
Bill Clinton was a great president by made some major mistakes, one was his reckless behavior costing liberal public policy political capital. The other was the “tough-on-crime” drug policy that did not to reduce addition or drugs but created the world's largest prison population. That public policy will haunt us for generations.
Truman was the wrong President, it should have been Henry Wallace blocked by Jim Crow Racist Democrats and greedy industrialist fighting unions and a second bill of rights for Americans.
Reagan's trickle down economics has been a disaster for working families.

Anonymous said...

The other was the “tough-on-crime” drug policy that did nothing to reduce addiction.

Nobody said...

You're a student of history?!? Where did you study? The ignorance you consistantly demonstrate on this blog leads any thinking person to conclude you are not much of a student of anything.

guy faulkes said...

Nobody, Goofus is just being Goofus. He is the only person I have eve been in contact with that is ALWAYS wrong. It would seem that the law of averages would make him right at least. I guess it is possible it has. Maybe he did a short post on something once tat was correct and no one knew it was him because so many people use Anonymous.

Anonymous said...

Guy and Nobody

Do you good folks understand personal attacks and insults do nothing to support political and public policy arguments?

The issue is do Liberals hate Conservative? The answer is generally no, liberals dislike Conservative public policy because it's often not fact based, favors the wealth, and harms society.

guy faulkes said...

"iberals dislike Conservative public policy because it's often not fact based, favors the wealth, and harms society."

Let us rewrite this sentence in order to make it factual.

iberals dislike Conservative public policy because it's based on fact and logic instead of emotion and the big lie theory; resists the theft of working people's money through "redistribution"; and continuously shows how the left harms society.

Anonymous said...

Guy

How do wage earning citizens without great wealth or political power redistribute wealth? The opposite is true, those with wealth and political power actively rig the American political system to redistribute wealth from wage earning workers to about 400 very wealthy billionaire families of which you are not one. Follow the money to top Republican donor list.
Guns, abortion, LBGTQ. Fear and bigotry are their carrots, which you ignorantly follow.
How has the standard of living for wage earning workers changed over the last 30 years? How has the wealth of the wealthiest families changed over the last 30 years?

guy faulkes said...

Pay close attention this time Goofus. You have been told this many times.

Wealth is redistributed through capitalism. One enters the job market at a young age to earn money at an entry level job while he educates himself in order to gain skills that are worth more money. He continues this process until he reaches a level with which he is satisfied. Some people become entrepreneurs and start their own (usually small) business. Their small business becomes a large business due to their hard work and their employing good people that also want to better themselves.

This is how wealth is and is supposed to be redistributed. The wealth is earned.

However, this process is hampered by the left as they kill ambition with gimme gimme programs to reward people with a lifestyle that lets teem exist without working in exchange for supporting the left politically. The left uses this support to establish overblown regulations to control the growth of business and to keep people in their power. Lazy dolts such as you, Goofus, are more than happy to accept the monies stolen from the people that actually earn it and to lobby for more to be stolen and given away, increasing their benefits.

The sad thing is that the theft of monies from those that produce limit their ability to provide assistance to those that really need it. This is done locally, many times through the churches you despise, corporations you call greedy, and civic organizations you call evil and filled with hate due to their member's' financial success.

In other words, the standard of living for wage earners is only limited by their ambition and ability to get those such as you the Hell out of their way.

Nobody said...

Excellent post, Guy. Shame it will be totally lost on Goofus.

Anonymous said...

Guy

Raw Capitalism ( like that being practiced in Russia and parts of the US ) and all of America before the labor movement and political reforms of breaking up monopolies under T Roosevelt, Taft and Wilson. Later FDR got Social Security passed and the labor movement gave birth to the American middle class. Raw Capitalism is as bad as Communism corrupting government and controlling courts and suppressing civil liberties as in Russian today. Journalist are routinely murdered in Russia as are political opponents.

Anonymous said...

Capitalism must be regulated to serve the largest number citizens not the fewest at the expense of civilization, environment and quality of life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U78P6TshrX4

USS Rodger Young said...

Yep, it looks like Faulk's excellent post was lost on noneymouse coward. The very corporate monopolies he rails against are the very monopolies that prey on America's snowflake generation. Yes, universities, aka corporations, wed the young to poverty in a style that would make Rockefellar blush. Yet noneymouse coward and the rest of the village idiots won't say a peep about that. Typical hypocrisy of the left. This is another reason why we won the last election. Man, I love those reruns of liberal socialist sheep crying openly on TV while watching election results.

LOL

Your ole pal

USS Rodger Young

guy faulkes said...

I should have known it was useless to try to educate Goofus.He and his kind only want to steal wealth, not earn it, even though they are more than able to do so.

Anonymous said...

Guy

Your bigotry and ignorance shows in your last comment. You don't know me. You don't know my life work history or how much I've personally contributed to society in the form of taxes or volunteering or military service. Why would you make such a blanket statement about someone you don't know? Why are conservatives so tribal? I invite conservatives to join the larger world of humanity and work with peaceful fellow citizens to solve serious problems common to both Liberals and Conservatives.

Sarkazein said...

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Pshwew. Wow that was funny. Let's riot and burn a break windows for peace. Let's call others bigots and homophobes in the name of unity. Good grief!

Anonymous said...

Sark

Contrast the last two comments. Which is tribal? Which is peaceful?

Sarkazein said...

Is "tribal" actually your new word you are trying to use in a sentence?

guy faulkes said...

Goofus, i do not have to know you unless you are admitting that you lied in every post you have ever made. I took you at your word when you said you wanted to steal monies from those that produce and give it to those that do not. You call this theft taxation and "giving your fair share" for "the redistribution of wealth'. You would actually hurt the poor and the working class as you did when your taxes and the over regulation you support caused many companies to move their manufacturing to other countries. This caused the loss of jobs and productivity in this country.

As you either cannot or will not understand capitalism, this will be useless, but I will bring to your attention fact that not only does positive growth trickle down, but negative economic conditions do also.

So which is it? Did you lie or do you continue to advocate stealing monies by raising taxes on those that produce and to over regulate business by using make believe crises such as man made global warming.

I will wager that you will not proclaim you lied, so maybe I do know you much better than I want to.

USS Rodger Young said...

noneymouse coward (notice lower case)

I see you dodged my comment about corporate universities, like Appalachian State, separating our young people from their money and placing said young people in hopeless debt. Is this the compassion the left keeps babbling about? You mentioned the monopoly breaking of communist FDR, yet you won't utter a peep on universities preying on young people. Again, what the university system that you support is doing to young people would make Rockefellar blush.

Finally, Faulk's excellent comment has obviously put you in a high speed wobble!!! You seem to be lashing out at the truth tellers again. Faulks seems to have that effect on you. You've got to correct that habit my confused friend!! LOL!!

Stings don't it.

Your ole pal

USS Rodger Young

Anonymous said...

Roger

The Students at most state universities and community Colleges get great value for their education dollars, it's the for profit institutions Ms Foxx supports like Trump University that scam young citizens and taxpayers. Trump had to make restitution of over $25 million by court order because he was guilty of fraud.

USS Rodger Young said...

The nonymouse coward thinks diploma mills that put the young into severe debt are a "great value." Liberal socialist sheep will try and spin anything, no matter how dumb it sounds, into something that supports their march towards oppression. If it's such a great value then why exactly are more snowflakes living with their parents than ever before? And why are more of the Generation Xers unemployed or underemployed if state universities are giving them such value? Common sense and facts don't support your wild statements. Amazing ignorance. Then again, liberals are about as stupid a bunch as exists.

Your ole pal

USS Rodger Young

Anonymous said...

RY

You may not be the conservative voice but fellow conservatives here seem to approve of your lack of civility. I'm curious as to how such rudeness and childish rants and behavior improves your political arguments?

Wolf's Head said...

For all the anonymii out there...

""Western man towers over the rest of the world in ways so large as to be almost inexpressible. It's Western exploration, science, and conquest that have revealed the world to itself.
Other races feel like subjects of Western power long after colonialism, imperialism, and slavery have disappeared.
The charge of racism puzzles whites who feel not hostility, but only baffled good will, because they don't grasp what it really means: humiliation.
The white man presents an image of superiority even when he isn't conscious of it.
And, superiority excites envy.
Destroying white civilization is the inmost desire of the league of designated victims we call minorities."
Joseph Sobran, April 1997

And therefore, from 2014 federal budget data...

" The cost of Black America
If you are a white American, over the course of your lifetime the federal government will, on average and on your behalf, transfer $384,109 of your wealth and income to a single black individual.

According to the data derived from the 2014 federal budget, the average annual net tax/benefit broke down as follows:

White: -$2,795
Black: +$10,016

Over the course of an average 79-year lifespan, a white individual contributes a net $220,805 to the system, whereas over the course of an average 75-year lifespan, a black individual receives a net $751,200. However, since there are 4.6 times more whites than blacks in the USA, the black share has to be divided among the various contributors to sort out a one-to-one comparison.

So, the net cost to the average White American of the average Black American is $384,109. Married? That's $768,218. Got 2 kids? That's $1,536,436. 4 kids? Now we're talking $2,304,654 lifetime.

Diversity is expensive. Now you understand why you won't have much of an inheritance to leave to your children. Do you really think it's worth it? And then, those natural conservatives to the south, the Hispanics, will surely improve the situation, right? After all, immigration helps the economy! Well, not so much.

Hispanic: +7,298

In fact, because there are more Hispanics in the USA than Blacks, Hispanics are already a bigger cumulative net drain on the economy, $411,950,000,000 to $389,710,000,000. Needless to say, the ongoing demographic change from a predominantly white society to a less productive, less white one can be expected to have even more serious negative effects on the long-term economic prospects of the United States that it already has.

To quote the original author: "The negative fiscal impact of blacks and hispanics is significant. All of this discussion of a “national debt” and “deficit” is primarily of function of blacks and hispanics. Without them, we would be running budget surpluses today, even when keeping the military the same size." From Vox Popoli

Keep on frothing lefties.....

Anonymous said...

Wolf

Posted another tribal and even racist comment. Wolf should be smart enough to know figures can lie and liars can figure.Wolf's numbers are working with averages, most billionaires are white men and the moneyed class families of billionaires who had wealth back to the days of Jim Crow, pre labor movement and even back to slavery. Those white billionaires will certainly raise the average for whites while poor white face the same struggles for decent wages, healthcare, housing, reliable transportation as their black neighbor. Those workers of color, working at half a living wage or caught in the mass incarceration scheme of for profit prison are not going to increase the average for people of color and few blacks are billionaires or have a history of inherited wealth.
Low wage workers of all colors contribute to society with the highest taxes of all, low wages.

Blogger said...

Anonymous you do realize that your side is degrading our history. What you are doing is destroying the pride in the country of the young people who will come after you. Then one day you will try to count on them to defend your way of life and they will not believe it is worth defending. You will then go down with them.

Anonymous said...

Conservatives and Trump are doing that.

The American military has a high percentage of citizens of color, Hispanic, Hispanic undocumented, non Christians, women and poor whites. What it doesn't have are children of wealthy and political powerful in sizable numbers.

Why should these young men and women defend a system rigged against them or one that discriminates against them and their family's contributions to society?

Anonymous said...

Blogger if you would lose your addiction to right wing conservative propaganda paid for by billionaires with their personal greedy agendas you would see the injustice, discrimination and inhumanity of your blog.
You have actual information sources by ethical journalism to choose from.

Blogger said...

Anonymous you do realize that your side is degrading our history. What you are doing is destroying the pride in the country of the young people who will come after you. Then one day you will try to count on them to defend your way of life and they will not believe it is worth defending. You will then go down with them.

Anonymous said...

Blogger

Do you believe history should be factual information?

Anonymous said...

Trump, conservatives and Evangelicals

Make me ashamed of our society with their ignorance, bigotry, greed, gulliblile desire for Rush, Hannity, James Dobson and Franklin Graham's garbage on a daily basis. The current Republican base is anti knowledge, anti Public education, anti higher learning, anti journalism, anti American institutions anti justice and lacking humanity and empathy.

Nobody said...

Goofus,

Same old, same old. You really need to come up with something different (and truthful) to post.

And again I point out -- you accuse us conservatives of "lacking humanity and empathy."

Really? Really?!? Why have you STILL not unconditionally condemned the shooting of conservatives at a baseball practice. You have NO, NONE, ZIP, ZERO credibility when discussing "humanity" and "empathy." I noticed earlier that, in a comment to USSRY, you stated something to the effect that "other conservatives here must approve" of her "lack of civility." I think shooting people is a greater breach of "civility" and yet you STILL refuse to condemn that action. You are the greatest hypocrite I have ever interacted with if you actually think we should condemn USSRY for "words" while YOU condone shooting conservatives.

And you are the single greatest "name caller" on this blog with constant comments like the one above.

USS Rodger Young said...

noneymouse coward said:

"RY

You may not be the conservative voice but fellow conservatives here seem to approve of your lack of civility. I'm curious as to how such rudeness and childish rants and behavior improves your political arguments"

Whah, whah, whah. Is little noneymouse coward getting a little hot under the collar? Tell you what, go up the stairs and ask your mom if she can fix you some milk and cookies, and quiet the bogeywoman for awhile. LOL!!! The reason fellow Patriots approve of my thrashing you constantly is because they disapprove of YOUR lack of civility. When you yap and babble like a broken record with the same litany of junk, it's probably safe to say they feel a certain perverse pleasure in watching me tear everything you say, believe, and do into a tiny pile of dust. Oh, and I'm not rude - I speak the truth. If the truth hurts to the point you consider it rude, then perhaps you might want to assess your foundational beliefs and change them.

At any rate, do you realize I've drawn you in once again? The liberal mindset just can't help but attack those with whom they disagree, no matter how hard they try and ignore them. THIS is exactly the reason I was able to shut down your fellow village idiots over on the semi-defunct site, Watauga Watch. You idiots just can't help yourselves, most of the time making yourselves look downright stupid when arguing with someone who is indisputably in the right. You look foolish, extreme, and dumb. I did this to you my friend. And there's not anything you can do about it, except continue to lose. Just like you lost the last Presidential election to DONALD TRUMP. You're the one who said "Machts Niches Bitches" and now you can't stand it being shoved down your well worn throat. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tell you what, go ask your fellow liberal socialist sheep over on Watauga Watch to give you a hand. You and your lemming minions against me. The entire liberal population of Watauga County against USS Rodger Young on this site. How about it? What are you afraid of? One against a hundred isn't a fair fight I admit - the liberals would need a million. LOL!!!

Your ole pal

USS Rodger Young

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USS Rodger Young said...

Hey, what happened to dyslexic noneymouse coward? Haven't heard from that idiot in a while. He's about due for a shellacking.

Anonymous said...

Nobody

How about you, Do you believe history should be factual information similar to Howard Zinn's history or should it be hyped propaganda showing only the most positive and not the mistakes like the Japanese and Alaskan native people's interment? Should the children of Germany be required to learn about the high cost of following Hitler from a Democratic free society to Authoritarianism without question ?

Anonymous said...

Blogger, and fellow conservatives

What do you say now that hard evidence has surfaced of collusion between the Trump Family and Russian Government?

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/10/us/politics/donald-trump-jr-russia-email-candidacy.html

Nobody said...

Goofus said, "Do you believe history should be factual information similar to Howard Zinn's history?"

You mean this book?

Howard Zinn's A People's History of the United States –­ ­a radical alternative to established textbooks when it was first published in 1980 – has today become a standard source in how Americans learn about their nation's history. Now an analysis by Stanford University School of Education Professor Sam Wineburg shows how it perpetrates the same errors of historical practice as the tomes it aimed to correct.

It would be difficult to overstate the degree to which A People's History has resonated with the American public. Although its perspective is unabashedly from the far left, its reach and influence extend far beyond that quarter with more than 2 million copies in print and prominent displays in suburban superstores.

"In the 32 years since its original publication, A People's History has gone from a book that buzzed about the ear of the dominant narrative to its current status where, in many circles, it has become the dominant narrative," Wineburg writes in an article in the latest edition of American Educator, which is now in the mail to its readers. "For many students, A People's History will be the first full-length history book they read, and for some, it will be the only one."

Wineburg, one of the world's top researchers in the field of history education, raises larger issues about how history should be taught. He says that Zinn's desire to cast a light on what he saw as historic injustice was a crusade built on secondary sources of questionable provenance, omission of exculpatory evidence, leading questions and shaky connections between evidence and conclusions.

http://news.stanford.edu/news/2012/december/wineburg-historiography-zinn-122012.html

guy faulkes said...

Where is the evidence, Goofus? Your link is to an organization notorious for publishing fake news and based on the alleged claims of three unidentified people.

Blogger, your comment on the left destroying our history is very important. Every Boy Scout, hunter, surveyor, or historian is well aware of the fact you cannot know where you are going unless you know where you have been. Nothing can cause you to travel to an incorrect destination as efficiently as changing the map of where you have been. As our history is the map that determines our travels into our future, the left has been revising it for years. This type of intellectual terrorism is just as serious as the violent kind that Goofus will not denounce. It may be even more serious.

Anonymous said...

Nobody

I have no doubt there are subjects within Howard Zinn's "A People's History" that scholars could question but in the public and Christians School text books there would be no comparison as to which is the most comprehensive and reflecting the most accurate history. History should be the most accurate description of the era . In modern text books the Vietnam War is reduced to a a few paragraphs.
Should history be hyped propaganda showing only the most positive and not the mistakes like the Japanese and Alaskan native people's interment? Should the children of Germany be required to learn about the high cost of following Hitler from a Democratic free society to Authoritarianism without question ?

Anonymous said...

Guy

I'm happy you want to join the conversation. When decades of history are reduced to pages or paragraphs there's bound to be controversy. Should history be hyped propaganda showing government actions in the most positive view or an attempt at showing both showing injustice and long term effect of past political decisions regardless of political party? War on Drugs , Invasion of Iraq, Over throw of Iran's elected leader in the 50s?

guy faulkes said...

All right, Goofus, I will join teh conversation. If you are going to stud history, then you have to study it. This means you read the most reliable materials possible from both sides of the spectrum. You cross check the content of these documents with other sources and with the results of the actions you are studying. You have to look at the underlying reasons for what happened with the subject you are studying. You have to be able to use logic and admit some of your hero's have feet of clay at the best. This last is where you fail miserably.

I will give you some examples of where you have failed in the past. Let us start with the Civil War or what could actually be more adequately described as the War of Northern Aggression. While slavery was an abomination, it was not the cause of the war. This is easily shown by following the money. The north wanted the south's cotton cheap;y. The south was selling it to England and France for a greater amount than the north was willing to pay. There was a tax placed on selling the cotton to a foreign power that was designed with the intention of forcing the south to sell to the north. The south refused o pay the tax (state's rights). The north knew it would have trouble motivating soldiers to fight over the profits of the northern textile manufacturers so slavery (a Democrat institution and highly unpopular both in the south and the north) as he reason for the actions of the north. This was obviously not the case as slaves were not freed in the northern states by the Emancipation Pronunciation. You would not even consider the possibility of this, much less the probability.

FDR is another example of your blinders. You were not swayed when you were shown that he prolonged the Depression for years (see the book"The Forgotten Man" to get started on your research), he was a racist that did not want to give blacks the same treatment as whites during military service. He eventually did under pressure from his wife. Speaking of his wife, he was a forerunner of Clinton's sexcapades. He had affairs with women in his administration and died while vacationing with one of them.

It is only fair that I mention the downfall of a man I used to highly respect. I was a fan of Theodore Roosevelt due to his military service, his law enforcement service and his adventures as an outdoors man. Then I discovered his ridiculous financial policies that lead to the mess we have today.

So Goofus, if you study history in the manner you suggest, you have to be willing o pay attention to what you learn. You are not.

Nobody said...

Goofus,

Guy did a great job talking about the study of history, but I'll add my two cents. The problem with the study of history, especially since the 1960s, is that it has become dominated by liberals who have an agenda. The study of history absolutely should be balanced, but Zinn's "People's History" is NOT balanced. As I copied and pasted above from Stanford University, it is an openly left-wing work. The author of that article even characterized it as a "Crusade." You now claim it is "the most comprehensive and reflecting the most accurate history." BS. (Funny, how every far-out left wing source, to you, is "authoritative" and "respectable," but every right wing source is "propaganda." YOU are a sucker for left-wing propaganda and too stupid to realize it, but I digress.) The thing about many historians today, is that they START with a hypothesis, and then research it, but ONLY look for information to substantiate their preexisting hypothesis. If they find evidence that contradicts what they believe, they ignore it or attempt to hide it. A good historian, like a good scientist, MUST be willing to change their hypothesis as the evidence leads them to. Zinn did not do this. He used ONLY information that corroborated his views, and ignored other information. His work was/is incredibly biased for a reason -- to damage the United States by attacking its history. Good historians would actually provide ALL information, representing both sides of an issue and let the reader reach his or her own conclusions. You wouldn't like that, either, because then a conservative viewpoint would have to be presented side-by-side with a liberal viewpoint, and we all know what you think of conservative views ("propaganda," "half-truths," "misinformation," etc.). Your comfort zone is the left-wing bubble of Mother Jones. And then you try to bring that garbage here and get trounced.

Anonymous said...

Guy and Nobody

Neither of you addressed my question.
Should history be hyped propaganda of Patriotism showing political decisions in the most positive light and sweeping political blunders out of sight of future generations? Should future generations have an accurate context how we arrived at their current time in history?
Should the warts, personal failure, sex scandals of some of America 's greatest leaders be part of that history? Should American school children understand Hispanic families farmed and made there homes Southwestern and pacific States a two Centuries before English speaking settlers?
Nobody I see your personal attack on me and my personal appreciation for Howard Zinn's "People's History " but I don't know what you think he specifically has wrong or what was previously more accurate. Like I said earlier when decades of history is reduced to a few paragraphs, something important is left out. I fully recognize and appreciate how reasonable, intelligent, historians will respectfully disagree. What era do you feel Zinn's material is inaccurate or shows unreasonable liberal bias?

Anonymous said...

Guy

Do you have a recent example of Mother Jones printing something false or only half true?
To my knowledge Mother Jones is staffed with ethical professionals and has received many accolades for excellent journalism.
I would be interested in any facts you have to the contrary.

Nobody said...

Goofus,

Why the heck should I answer any question from you when you refuse to answer mine?!?

Answer my many questions on various posts and I'll respond to yours.

Why have you STILL not unconditionally condemned the shooting of Republicans at a baseball practice?

Did you or did you not make the comment inviting others to the "real" Christianity where Jesus healed the sick and fed the multitudes?

Do you believe the list of attacks by liberals against conservatives is all fake news, or did they occur and you just don't want to discuss them?

Give SPECIFIC EXAMPLES of things blogger has said and EXPLAIN how they prove he is "mean" or "cruel." You know, the same kind of "Specifics" you are demanding of us, but never GIVE in response to our questions.

The good thing about being stupid (for you) is you are too stupid to know you are stupid.

By the way, read my above comment thoroughly -- you will see that the answer to your question was actually already in my comment. Might have been hard for you to comprehend, though, since it was a bit lengthy and had quite a few "big" words.

Nobody said...

Goofus,

You are SO STUPID, I am actually having a hard time believing you are for real! I have answered the same request of you already regarding Mother Jones, but you are too stupid or too stubborn to understand. Again:

Liberal media and liberal historians LIE BY OMISSION!. The important thing is not what they publish, but what they HIDE. Do you get it, now? The reason idiot liberals like you hate conservative news outlets isn't because they lie, but because they report the stories liberal media would love to bury so that no one knows about them. That's why idiots like you falsely claim Obama had NO scandals. He had plenty of scandals, but because Mother Jones was more interested in carrying water for Obama and hiding his scandals, you didn't think they were important or real. And like a good sheep, you blather on, repeating lies and false accusations. Benghazi? Fast and Furious? Solyndra? Governmental spying on the AP and reporter James Rosen? Using the IRS to harass conservative groups and citizens? The list goes on, but you don't know about any of that, now do you?

Mother Jones is as left wing as Breitbart is right wing. Why will you not accept this statement of FACT. Here, read this:

http://www.ranker.com/list/liberal-blogs/blog-loblaw

A ranking of the "Best Liberal Blogs Online." Notice that Mother Jones is #3. For reference for those who might not want to follow the link, Michael Moore is #12. The Huffington Post is #23.

Nobody said...

I'll let you read a few criticism of Zinn's book. Note the qualifications of those quoted.

Harvard University historian Oscar Handlin wrote in a review in The American Scholar: "Hence the deranged quality of this fairy tale, in which the incidents are made to fit the legend, no matter how intractable the evidence of American history. It may be unfair to expose to critical scrutiny a work patched together from secondary sources, many used uncritically, others ravaged for material torn out of context. Any careful reader will perceive that Zinn is a stranger to evidence bearing upon the people about whom he purports to write. But only critics who know the sources will recognize the complex array of devices that pervert his pages. ... On the other hand, the book conveniently omits whatever does not fit its overriding thesis. ... It would be a mistake, however, to regard Zinn as merely Anti-American. Brendan Behan once observed that whoever hated America hated mankind, and hatred of mankind is the dominant tone of Zinn's book. ... He lavishes indiscriminate condemnation upon all the works of man — that is, upon civilization, a word he usually encloses in quotation marks.

Michael Kammen, a professor of American History: "I wish that I could pronounce Zinn's book a great success, but it is not. It is a synthesis of the radical and revisionist historiography of the past decade. . . Not only does the book read like a scissors and paste-pot job, but even less attractive, so much attention to historians, historiography and historical polemic leaves precious little space for the substance of history. ... We do deserve a people's history; but not a simpleminded history, too often of fools, knaves and Robin Hoods. We need a judicious people's history because the people are entitled to have their history whole; not just those parts that will anger or embarrass them. ... If that is asking for the moon, then we will cheerfully settle for balanced history.

Georgetown University history professor Michael Kazin argued that Zinn is too focused on class conflict, and wrongly attributes sinister motives to the American political elite. He characterized the book as an overly simplistic narrative of elite villains and oppressed people, with no attempt to understand historical actors in the context of the time in which they lived. Kazin wrote: "The ironic effect of such portraits of rulers is to rob 'the people' of cultural richness and variety, characteristics that might gain the respect and not just the sympathy of contemporary readers. For Zinn, ordinary Americans seem to live only to fight the rich and haughty and, inevitably, to be fooled by them."

Kazin argued that A People's History fails to explain why the American political-economic model continues to attract millions of minorities, women, workers, and immigrants, or why the socialist and radical political movements Zinn favors have failed to gain widespread support among the American public.

Nobody said...

(cont.)

Writing in the American Educator, Sam Wineburg criticizes A People's History for its unwavering, one-sided conclusions on matters of historical debate: "Facing the abyss of multiple causality, most historians flee the narrow straits of “either-or.” Not Zinn. His questions always have a single right answer...Not only is Zinn certain about the history that’s happened. He’s certain about the history that didn’t.

Because history is a hotly debated subject layered with uncertainty, Wineburg believes that textbooks should present a broad spectrum of historical knowledge and avoid rendering definitive conclusions. Wineburg believes that Zinn does the exact opposite; he insists that every major historical event is explained by his theories of class struggle, often ignoring or doctoring evidence to fit his predetermined conclusions. Wineburg is openly disturbed by the popularity of A People's History, chalking up the book's success to Zinn's talents as a "...skilled stylist. Zinn’s muscular presence makes for brisk reading compared with the turgid prose of the textbook."

Anonymous said...

Obama the murderer:

http://www.newsweek.com/strikes-during-obamas-presidency-killed-many-117-civilians-545080

http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/07/05/do-not-believe-the-u-s-governments-official-numbers-on-drone-strike-civilian-casualties/

Obama the thief, stealing thru debt:

http://money.cnn.com/2016/10/19/news/economy/debt-obama-trump/index.html

Obama killing the working class:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/01/12/democrats-cant-win-until-they-recognize-how-bad-obamas-financial-policies-were/?utm_term=.2d575c7a0be6

http://billmoyers.com/story/whats-killing-american-middle-class/

Obama making fat cats fatter:

http://prospect.org/article/alan-blinder-gives-obama-making-bankers-richer-ever

http://money.cnn.com/2013/09/15/news/economy/income-inequality-obama/index.html

THIS is liberalism.


guy faulkes said...

I answered your question, Goofus. You are either being obtuse or are unable to understand plain English or a level slightly higher than "See Jane Run. Run. Run."

I do not consider Mother Jones worthy of representing the opposing side of a debate. They are sort of like you. Not to be taken seriously. The fact that you endorse them says it all as you are always 100% incorrect.

Go back and read my post. It tells you how to arrive at an accurate context for the answer to a question of history..

Anonymous said...

Nobody

The difference between Mother Jones and Breitbart are ethical, factual, journalism. Yes, Mother jones may have a liberal bias in the stories they cover such as injustice, contaminated or poisoned wells, life from the eyes of the poor or undocumented workers. Mother Jones give voice to those to those without wealth or political voice. "Mother Jones’ founders envisioned a magazine devoted to a new brand of socially conscious journalism—one that took on corporate as well as political power. Twenty-five years later, that mission remains as timely as ever."
Here's the link to the current issue.
Breitbart is Conservative Propaganda dealing in half truths lacking in journalistic ethics in support of billionaire class of status quo of political injustice, low wages, and destruction of America's thin social safety net.
"The two staffers who resigned on Monday wrote in statements that Breitbart has been publishing propaganda for the Trump campaign.

“The company no longer resembles the ideals that inspired me to start writing for them three years ago. Some of us have been fighting behind the scenes against the party-line Trump propaganda for some time, but without any success, unfortunately,” Jordan Schachtel, a national security correspondent, wrote in a statement to Politico."
“Breitbart News is no longer a journalistic enterprise, but instead, in my opinion, something an unaffiliated media Super PAC for the trump campaign. I signed my contract to work as a journalist, not as a member of the Donald J. Trump for President media network,” he continued. “As recent events have proven, there is no longer a pout in trying to reform the company from within, so I must step aside with my dignity intact.”


Anonymous said...

Mother Jones current issue link

http://www.motherjones.com/mag/2017/07/toc/

Anonymous said...

Nobody, Guy and Blogger

What are the historical issues or lessons of the Vietnam Era future generations should be aware of in your opinion?

Wolf's Head said...

NEVER LET A DEMOCRAT BE PRESIDENT.

NEVER LET DEMOCRATS RUN THE MILITARY.

NEVER LET A DEMOCRAT START ANOTHER WAR.

NEVER, NEVER, NEVER let some mealy mouthed pseudo intellectual psycho run the threads on the Conservative.

Haven't you all learned ANYTHING about dealing with this moron?

guy faulkes said...

You are absolutely right, Wolf, but Rico and RY have rubbed off on me. It is so much fun to make Goofus squeal like a little pig. I quit posting for a while because I was tired of dealing with him. I decided to see if I could make him huff and puff untill he popped like a balloon.

Anonymous said...

Guy

Do you have the maturity to engage in a non political question on what the goal of history should be?

Sarkazein said...

I could not type before I started commenting on this blog. I never had a pink collar job or a TW job when in the military, and there was never any other reason for typing until the PC came along and I dodged using one for as long as I could. I thought commenting in answer to GoofusPOV would at least improve my typing. I find a jab here and there is good typing practice, but a lengthy engagement just makes my typing stupider and stupider.

guy faulkes said...

Goofus, your question says it all. History does not have a goal. History is history until it is changed to support someone's goal. After that it is fiction. You have no concept of history.

Sarkazein said...

GuyFaulkes- I wondered too, what kind of goofus question was that.

Anonymous said...

Guy

Decades of events cannot be condensed to a few pages or paragraphs without a mission of what the student ( next generation ) need to really understand about that era.

Today's generation in my opinion need to know about the polio epidemics of the last century. They need to know of the generosity and intelligence of Jonas Edward Salk, who was an American medical researcher and virologist who discovered a vaccine for polio and gave all rights to humanity. They need to know of the bravery of those who were treating the polio patients amiss near panic in stricken communities.
We need to understand the best decision making of that era to understand future epidemics which are sure to come.

Anonymous said...

What a moronic idiot. You have no understanding of how history is taught in public schools. Do you have kids in school? How does a teacher teach American history from 1492 to the present in 90 days? Decades of events HAVE to be reduced to a few paragraphs or you'll never finish! "Salk gave ALL rights to humanity?!?!?" What the hell does that mean?!?

If you want to study small eras of history at length, go to college and take specialty classes as I did. I'll bet you never went to college and you're trying to tell the rest of us how education is supposed to happen.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 12.14 PM

If one of today's pharmaceutical companies had invented a vaccine for poliovirus how would they market it today and at what price?
Salk made it available at cost to the world. That is worthy history.

USS Rodger Young said...

Is "worthy history" the fact that Democratic Senator Joe Manchin's daughter, a democratic liberal herself, played a key role in the 600% increase in the cost of an Epi-Pen - an easy to use device used to counter allergic reactions to bee stings. Furthermore, it was liberals (Democrats) who banned the product named "Primatine Mist" which would also stop anaphylactic reactions just before Epi-Pen came on the market. That's worthy history.

Your ole pal

USS Rodger Young

Inconvenient facts cause liberals much consternation. Stings don't it.