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Monday, August 24, 2009

Culture of Death Infiltrates the Veteran's Administration

BE SURE TO CATCH TOWRY’S POINT THAT IT IS UNACCEPTABLE FOR A GOVERNMENTAL AGENCY TO BE DOING THIS.

FROM MY PSYCHOLOGIST POINT OF VIEW, THE DOCUMENT IS LIKE HYPNOTIC SUGGESTION. WHEN YOU FINISH CHECKING, YOU COULD CONCLUDE THAT YOU ARE JUST IN THE WAY.

TO YOU LIBERALS, THE REASON WE BECOME ALARMED IS THAT WITH ABORTION ,YOU HAVE ALREADY CONVINCED US THAT YOU CAN BE SO CASUAL ABOUT OFFING THE UNWANTED.

30 comments:

Blogger said...

There are reports from all over the world, that just like Jesus, His followers are raising the dead. Raising the dead is what we should be learning to do.

There are also people who know others who live and die with dignity in spite of disabilities. We need to be working on how to have graceful exits.

Blogger said...

"How long do you want to be kept alive on life support at the end of your life?"

Liberal posted this on another post, before I posted the Culture of Death and made my comments.

Blogger said...

Liberal commented the following on another post and I reprint it here because he asked me how stupid I could be. I will let you readers be the judges.

"How stupit can the right wing be? Every day I say no one can be that dumb or naive and every day ring wing nut prove they can.

Why do you use this blog to spread matieral you know to be untrue?

You know damn well this woman's information is untrue yet you post.

You know that there are no death panels only funding for end of life information so families have good information when faced with these decisions.

Did you ask what type person would exploit such an issue? Blogger I don't believe you are that big a fool or that out of touch.

How long do you want to be kept alive on life support at the end of your life?"

Blogger said...

You could almost feel sorry for that poor wounded Head of the VA who was sent out there to defend the indefensible.

guy faulkes said...

Blogger, I posted this on another thread before I opened this one. It belongs here more than there. The marine's comments on socialism and the Nazi party are spot on. The far left already has a legal way to murder babies before birth as you indicated. They are now looking for a way to murder the very young (under two years old and possibly up to 15) and the elderly. I am wondering how the death panels are going to justify not treating those or the families of those that do not agree with them politically.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xvFaJ8QC9U&feature=topvideos

Sarkazein said...

This is probably like most things liberal. The liberal will want to encourage his/her parent/elderly spouce to hang in there and live at any cost. It's just everyone else's parents or elderly spouse that should cash it in for the greater good.

It's like Obama and other Hollywood liberals and Global Warming. Everybody else should lower their carbon output, but I am taking the private jet on vacation. Or the head global warming guru telling us to lower our carbon foot print while he uses more than all others.

Liberalism is liberalism, the subject hardly matters.

Sarkazein said...

I heard on the radio today that Obama is going to offer a "Cash for Geezers" program. The government will buy you out for cash to save money.

Reader said...

http://www2.nbc13.com/vtm/news/local/article/1200_veterans_wrongly_told_they_got_fatal_disease/88686/

Liberal POV said...

Blogger

I ask again "How long do you want to be kept alive on life support at the end of your life?"

Lets say you have reached to point you can no longer breath on your own and their is no known cure for your illiness?

These decisions have to be made before you reach the point that you can no longer communicate or think for your self.

Lets have this debate, I didn't think this was a liberal or conservative issue, but maybe I'm wrong.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

Have you had to watch someone die over a period of years that were in a vegetative state, unable to eat, drink, speak, make eye contact. There mouth drys from hanging open all the time? It take a toll on all the family members and not just to financial cost.

You don't sound like you know much about this subject.

I can't believe this is the Republican position to oppose people having a say in how and when to stop the use medical equipment on themselves at the end of their life.

Gregg said...

"I can't believe this is the Republican position to oppose people having a say in how and when to stop the use medical equipment on themselves at the end of their life." - LiberalPOV

Where do you get this stuff? All we are sying is "Keep the government OUT OF IT!"

Sarkazein said...

POV-

Let's say it was your adult child. Would you want the wife of that son, who is sleeping with another man and having his children be able to over-rule your wishes as the father. In fact, actual blood, maybe a brother or a sister wants to care for him, but the X-slut wife, having already started a family with another man, wants him dead. Or maybe you would like a government bureaucrat to tell you what to do.
In answer to your question, if there is a living will and /or if there is no conflict of interest, or it's not some bureaucrat reading what I am allowed to do, and if there's not a bunch of selfish relatives put off by their loved one's mouth position, then nature can take it's course.

Nobody said...

Here's an interesting story -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6ojBgTyA7I

Oregon health board denies a woman a new cancer treatment, but offers "physician aided dying." Liberals say it won't happen? It already is. The reporters asked the head of the health board if cost factored in the decision, but he avoids directly answering the question. He DOES say that thousands of dollars spent on this woman means that that money would not be available for someone else. Sound familiar? I've got an idea -- let people keep their own money and choose to spend it on their own life if they so choose! Note that the woman's doctors contact the pharmecutical company that gLib demonizes so much and they provide the drug to the woman for free. I've got a headache -- think I'll take a Tylenol. Oops, I'm supporting the evil pharmecudicals, too.

Blogger said...

Where do you get this stuff? All we are sying is "Keep the government OUT OF IT!"

Thanks Gregg.

Liberal, a little piece of advice. If you want to come across as intelligent, try to grasp the main point before you comment. I even put it in bold letters for you under the youtube video to help you.

Liberal POV said...

Nobody

The woman was on medicaid and in late stage lung cancer.
All of her medical bills were paid for by taxpayers except this drug which had a 8% change of keeping her alive for 3 to 4 months.
Rewatch the video and notice it has been edited to deny the Oregon spokesperson a full response.
This woman would have had no care at all under the conservative plans.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

"Let's say it was your adult child. Would you want the wife of that son, who is sleeping with another man and having his children be able to over-rule your wishes as the father."

Go read the facts on the Terri Schiavo case.

This poor woman was in a vegative state for 15 years before she was allowed to die.

What was the husband to do?

How many of you want your in-laws to have veto power in your marriage?

What is the Conservative position here? Blogger? Guy? Reader? Gregg? Matt? Nobody?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terri_Schiavo

Sarkazein said...

"This poor woman was in a vegative state for 15 years before she was allowed to die."-POV

She was starved to death, not "allowed" to die.

" Go read the facts on the Terri Schiavo case. "-POV

You are ridiculous. You are stupit.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

You are wrong again( She was starved to death, not "allowed" to die. " The inability to swallow is part of the dying process.

Your misinformation on fact about the end of life is a strong argument for end of life counseling and education.

http://www.eperc.mcw.edu/fastFact/ff_010.htm


"For enhancing quality of life

Where true hunger and thirst exist, quality of life may be enhanced (such as in very proximal GI obstruction).
Most actively dying patients (see Fast Fact #3) do not experience hunger or thirst (although dry mouth is a common problem, there is no relation to hydration status and the symptom of dry mouth, see Fast Fact #133).
A recent literature review using palliative care and enteral nutrition as search terms found no studies demonstrating improved quality of life through tube feeding. (Limited to a few observational studies.)
Tube feeding may adversely affect quality of life if patients are denied the pleasure of eating.
Summary

Although commonly used, current data does not provide much support for the use of artificial enteral nutrition in advanced dementia, or in patients on a dying trajectory from a chronic illness. A recommendation to use, or not use, tube feeding should be made only after first establishing the overall Goals of Care(see Fast Fact #16). Recommendations for how to discuss the issue tube feeding with patients/families can be found in Fast Fact #84."

Gregg said...

Lib,

No one on this blog, no Republican in Congress and no one I know has said that they are against end of life counseling.

Sarkazein said...

POV-

I give up on you on your celebration of HER death by government ordered starvation.
I suppose not giving a pre-mature born baby feeding tubes because they can't swallow or get to the refrigerator is choice for your kind.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

You don't understand the difference between using a feeding tube to save a life and using a feeding tube to delay the dying process?

Liberal POV said...

Gregg

"No one on this blog, no Republican in Congress and no one I know has said that they are against end of life counseling."

You may be right.

What was done was to put funding in the Obama health care bill to cover the cost of such end of life counseling.

Ms Palin seized the opportunity to call such funding , now here's the big silly leap a "Death Panel" and Fox News was all over it. Now we have all of these misinformed fools thinking the government is going to put them down.
What a misinformed bunch of silly people.

You couldn't make this kind of stuff up.
The senior Republicans at Brian Estates are probably going nuts knowing Ms Palin wouldn't lie to them about a thing like that. Who know she's dumb enough to believe it herself.

Sarkazein said...

" Who know she's dumb enough to believe it herself."-POV

Sarkazein said...

"Sark

You don't understand the difference between using a feeding tube to save a life and using a feeding tube to delay the dying process?"-POV

save a life...delay dying process. I hate to tell you, but they are both the EXACT same thing. Unless you are using the feeding tube as a convenience.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

Thank you for once again giving the world an example of Republicans don't know what the think they know.


At the end of life the body starts a dying process to shut down among these is often a coma and inability to swallow take food or liquid. For people with irreversible conditions feeding tubes as was the case of Terri Shievio's dying process is prolonged. In The Shievio case it was prolonged for 15 years. Do even you not think prolonging a brain dead person's dying process 15 years is over the top?
Some reglious extremist wanted to distort the facts of this normal dying process of stopping the body from taking in more food as starving the person doing the dying.

Simon Jester said...

If the proposed health care reform passes, POV will be very happy, but not because of health care. He enjoyed the murder of Shievio, he enjoys the mass murder of babies by abortion. He probably well have a sexual experience when the death panels start operating.

What I do not understand is why he does not want murderers, rapists, terrorists, and the like put to death. Maybe those killed have to be innocent before it gives him a thrill.

Liberal POV said...

Simon Jester

Help me get my head around what you believe a death panel is? How do YOU believe the pllan is to be?

Please tell us all where you are getting the information YOU believe?

Simon Jester said...

A death panel is the group that decides to let someone die instead of treating them under socialized medicine. This will probably be called rationing because of expense and the number of doctors available to treat people. It may be claimed to be rationed due to age, how bad the medical condition is, or so on. It would never be rationed to get rid of people that do not politically agree with the death panels, would it?

I got most of my information from CNN.

I don't know what a pllan is,so I don't know how it is to be. Sorry to be so stupit.

Which head are you talking about? Does all this talk about the death of the innocent give you a tingly feeling down your leg?

Liberal POV said...

Simon Jester

Today's death panel could be called for profit insurance and I understand how the insurance can deny treatment or medication.
To my knowledge we don't have that with government run medicare.
Blogger have you had any such problems?

We do have an open society except for Military and CIA.

How long would a death panel's actions be allow before congress and a free press would be on such an issue?

Who would get to appoint such a panel?

What information did you get from CNN to make you believe such a story? Could you provide a link

The word I mistyped was Palin.

If you and others want to go after my spelling and typing , I'm fair game for that and a easy target have fun.

Gregg said...

"The word I mistyped was Palin." - LiberalPOV

So the sentence should have read: "How do YOU believe the 'PALIN' is to be???

I don't think the problem is typing or spelling. It's IRD (ask Guy).

Thanks for giving us the go ahead to "have fun", it was.