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Thursday, August 13, 2009

Ronald Reagan On the Evils of Socialized Medicine

He warned us way back.

71 comments:

Liberal POV said...

Blogger

What a pile of Bull shit! This is classic propaganda, It could be used in class rooms to show what propaganda is.

Is what you are posting due to you age so I should cut some slack or have you alway been like this? Medicare started in the sixties and Nixon proposed coverage similar to Obama when he was president.

Universal Health Coverage is not new you have been getting it for decades we just want the working poor and middle class to get the same damn thing you already have.

You could never go broke betting on Republicans being foolish.

Sarkazein said...

That video is on the money. POV's predictable comment proves it. Hillary almost brought down the Clinton administration with "medical care reform" and Obama is too stupid to learn from other's mistakes. His poll numbers are heading to the same level that brought in the Republican majority in '94. If Bill hadn't been caught with a youngster and his pants down, re-establishing himself with the Democrats, he would have never completed a 2nd term.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

The problem is not going to go away because Republicans want to be uninformed misinformed.

Liberal POV said...

Gregg

Today is the 40th anniversary of Woodstock. This is one of the regrets I have in my life of not attending, although then I was as foolish as some on this blog.

As I got older I got wiser.

What is your opinion of the woodstock experience?

oatz said...

Disinformation Obamas own words...Liberal Pov or BikerBard are these just words or do they actually tell us something.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04qJXudcyvc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Frealitycheckwhitehouse.com%2F&feature=player_embedded#t=37

Sarkazein said...

AP-WASHINGTON – Key senators are excluding a provision on end-of-life care from health overhaul legislation after language in a House bill caused a furor.
Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa, top Republican on the Senate Finance Committee, said in a statement Thursday that the provision had been dropped from consideration because it could be misinterpreted or implemented incorrectly. ///

What death panels? It took the liar-in-chief to first deny they are there, then admit they were there, accuse a Republican for putting it there, take it out of there, and fewer and fewer POV's everywhere still think Obama knows his ass from third base.

Liberal POV said...

Oatz

I want to see single payer universal health care because that is what works best in countries that out perform the US in health care but that is not the compromised bill before congress.

Do you see no problems with the current system in which the US is 35th to 38th in quality of health care?

How do you know that a major illiness won't ruin you financially?

How do you know that your insurance would cover a organ replacement?

Why do you want a system that rations health care for greed and increased CEO income?

Sarkazein said...

POV said: "Do you see no problems with the current system in which the US is 35th to 38th in quality of health care?"

You've GOT to be kidding.

Reader said...

Blogger, have you read this? I think I might go get ir. Sounds interesting.

Homosexuality and the Politics of Truth

Liberal POV said...

Sark


Check it out.

http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html


http://cthealth.server101.com/the_case_for_universal_health_care_in_the_united_states.htm

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/12/opinion/12sun1.html

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/wealthofnations/archive/2009/08/07/countries-with-the-best-health-care-worldwide.aspx

Sarkazein said...

POV- I believe you not only went to Woodstock, but you got ahold of the bad acid Wavy Gravy was warning everyone about, and have never come back from a bad trip.
I am not going to repeat everything from a previous post. but you have GOT to be kidding.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

I think knowing what our options are at the end of our lives is a good thing.

I don't want to be kept alive with maachines or feeding tubes after quality of life and hope are gone.

Sark and I were just dedating a few day ago about the discomfort of removing a feeding tube when their is no hope or signs of life.

Sark's belief is this is a very painful slow death, my understanding is it's very peaceful without great discomfort. One of us is wrong. This service would answer such questions. What's wrong with that?

Sarkazein said...

POV said: "I think knowing what our options are at the end of our lives is a good thing."

The death panel that "didn't exist" has been dropped. But, you are right... if the government is controlling health care, you will have to be told what options the government is giving you or not giving you. You are a Socialist sheep.
The government will NOT be telling me what MY options are... I am free.

Sarkazein said...

POV- I HOPE when the time comes for you to have to have someone else make a decision about starving you to death, that it is an X-wife who is living with another man and having his babies while you interfere with her social life and there is still a balance in your law-suit account that can be spent at the day spa, restaurants and designer clothing store. I HOPE you will enjoy the peaceful feeling of dyeing of thirst and starvation while cameras and relatives are not allowed to see you enjoying your passing.

Liberal POV said...

GOP

See Sark open mind are work above. He knows all he wants to know about everything. Education from the government is unwelcome. Sark wants no information to interfere with his strong misinformed opinions.

This not new in 1840 it was called the Know Nothing Party. Conservitives and the New Know Nothings.

Bushrod Gentry said...

The World Health Organization ranks the United States as 37th and the United Kingdom as 18th in its healthcare rankings. Their reasoning is subjective. For one thing, a major component of its decision is based on life expectancy rates without taking into account fatal injuries such as traffic fatalities. After adjusting for fatal injuries, the US does better than almost any other nation. Another reason is that the WHO gives more credit to healthcare distribution than quality. A country that distributes poor healthcare evenly scores higher than a country with great healthcare and uneven distribution. Eliminate the distribution factor and the US again scores near the top in quality of healthcare and innovation. The more one examines the WHO's criteria, the more questionable its rankings become. Healthcare reform advocates in the United States should examine the places it already exists, federal prisons, Indian reservations and VA hospitals. After seeing how Washington treats its heroes, one can easily imagine how it will help the rest of us.

Reader said...

"After seeing how Washington treats its heroes, one can easily imagine how it will help the rest of us."

I agree.

Liberal POV said...

Bushrod and Reader

I think the VA shame came on the Bush Cheney watch and has been addressed thanks to that so called liberal media.

Bushrod give us a link and a source to your information. What you posted sounds like the American Health care industry blowing smoke to hide the facts.

Sarkazein said...

Bushrod Gentry-

To go along with your comment, and repeating my comment of several posts ago, the WHO did it's rankings ONCE in 2000 and haven't done them again because of the way they used exactly what you wrote as criteria. This is so stated on POV's WHO link to the list.
The WHO ranking is bogus. I can't tell if POV knows this or doesn't know this. He, as a liberal, will use known falsehoods in a debate. POV acts like this WHO ranking is an accepted every year study, when it has been proven over and over to be incoherent.

Sarkazein said...

for the POV to write: "I think the VA shame came on the Bush Cheney watch and has been addressed thanks to that so called liberal media.", proves the bad acid trip at Woodstock.

VA and military care improved under President Bush.
In 1973, a dear friend of mine was suffering from a pain in his buttocks. He was 23 and retired Army. I gave him a ride to Ft Belvoir Hospital. The people there would not even examine him and told him to get some Prep H and go home. I had to half carry him in to the Emergency Room. This was his second trip, as he had made the first trip by himself. When he came out to the waiting room and told me what they had said, I told him to barricade himself in to an office, and I would call the media.
As he had 3 Purple Hearts and the Bronze Star, he was tough. He said no he wouldn't do it. I helped him back to the car and took him to his home. In the middle of the night, the pain got so bad, he called an ambulance to take him to Walter Reed Hospital where he had spent a year recovering from wounds he received in Vietnam. They would only give him aspirin and would not examine him. He finally called an ambulance to pick him up at Walter Reed and take him to a private hospital. I was on the phone trying to raise up the media. When the ambulance tried to take him from Walter Reed, the government health-care workers then and only then sprung in to action. That morning, a grapefruit size tumor was removed from his rectum.
I will take private insurance employees to government workers any day.

Reader said...

Lib, you know better than that.

Anonymous said...

Remember when Obama called our troops selfish because they expected the government to pay for treatment of those wounded in the line of duty? Back then he claimed they should get private insurance. Even Jon Stewart sneered at that. He wants healthcare reform because it will add another brick in the wall of Big Government.

Liberal POV said...

Anonymous

Could you provide a source for the following statement because I don't remember anything close to that.

"Remember when Obama called our troops selfish because they expected the government to pay for treatment of those wounded in the line of duty? "

Who is making this stuff up? How naive for you to believe such garbage.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

That VA shame came under another Republican president Nixon 1969 -1974.

When Republican get into office they try to prove government doesn't work with corrupt Admin and wrong headed ideas.

Liberal POV said...

Reader

What do you disagree with?

Blogger said...

Bushrod Gentry posted: "After adjusting for fatal injuries, the US does better than almost any other nation."

Thanks Bushrod. I had heard what you wrote, but had not had time to find it.

As soon as people have had time to read the Garrett-Gibbs, interchange, I want to put your post up front. Can you give me a reference to add? This information is very important.

Sarkazein said...

The World Health Organization’s Problematic
Ranking of Health Care Systems
by Glen Whitman
Glen Whitman is an associate professor of economics at California State University at Northridge.
No. 101
The World Health Report 2000, prepared by the
World Health Organization, presented perfor-
mance rankings of 191 nations’ health care sys-
tems. These rankings have been widely cited in
public debates about health care, particularly by
those interested in reforming the U.S. health care
system to resemble more closely those of other
countries. Michael Moore, for instance, famously
stated in his film SiCKO that the United States
placed only 37th in the WHO report. CNN.com,
in verifying Moore’s claim, noted that France and
Canada both placed in the top 10.
Those who cite the WHO rankings typically
present them as an objective measure of the rela-
tive performance of national health care systems.
They are not. The WHO rankings depend crucial-
ly on a number of underlying assumptions—
some of them logically incoherent, some charac-
terized by substantial uncertainty, and some root-
ed in ideological beliefs and values that not every-
one shares.
The analysts behind the WHO rankings
express the hope that their framework “will lay
the basis for a shift from ideological discourse on
health policy to a more empirical one.” Yet the
WHO rankings themselves have a strong ideolog-
ical component. They include factors that are
arguably unrelated to actual health performance,
some of which could even improve in response to
worse health performance. Even setting those
concerns aside, the rankings are still highly sensi-
tive to both measurement error and assumptions
about the relative importance of the components.
And finally, the WHO rankings reflect implicit
value judgments and lifestyle preferences that dif-
fer among individuals and across countries.
February 28, 2008
Executive Summary

August 5, 2009 11:42 PM

Sarkazein said...

How Believable are the World Health Organization Rankings?
July 28, 2009 by Timmy K
Trying to rank and grade health care systems across the globe is a very complex and difficult task. There are so many variables and no easy way uniformly grade them. The World Health Organization was the last group to try this daunting task. Their reports have also been the weapon used against America’s health care system. There are two glaring deficiencies in the Americas treatment according to WHO, that Infant Mortality Rates and Life Expectancy. How is it possible the America ranks so low compared to the rest of the world in these categories?

Infant mortality rates:

“For example, very premature births are more likely to be included in birth and mortality statistics in the United States than in several other industrialized countries that have lower infant mortality rates.”

“Low birth weight is the primary risk factor for infant mortality and most of the decline in neonatal mortality (deaths of infants less than 28 days old) in the United States since 1970 can be attributed to increased rates of survival among low-birth weight newborns. Indeed, comparisons with countries for which data are available suggest that low birth weight newborns have better chances of survival in the United States than elsewhere. The U.S. infant mortality problem arises primarily because of its birth weight distribution; relatively more infants are born at low birth weight in the United States than in most other industrialized countries”

Life expectancy:
That is just a good article that links to a bunch of different studies. “This low ranking in life expectancy is often pointed to as being the result of the deficiencies of the health care system in the U.S. The problem with this thinking however is that it does not account for the fact that the U.S. has a disproportionate number of individuals who die as the result of fatal injuries compared to the other wealthy nations of the world. This does not reflect upon the quality of health care in the U.S., in that these events almost universally occur independently of the condition of health of the individuals who die as a result of these factors”

World Health Organization report

Here is the NY times talking about the report

Here is John Stossell on the report

This is from WHO’s website… “The World Health Organization’s ranking of the world’s health systems was last produced in 2000, and the WHO no longer produces such a ranking table, because of the complexity of the task.”

What people need to realize is that the WHO ranking is completely subjective upon weighing different criteria’s. This particular ranking favors socialist ideals such as patient’s opinions, night and weekend availability, life expectancy, and cost. If you took rankings based on how well the health care was actually performed USA ranks at the very top in several categories.

Blogger said...

Thanks Sarkazein for the WHO info.

Blogger said...

People have accessed this blog from all states except five. Among the five is Montana where the president is going today for a town hall. What’s with Montana?

Gregg said...

Lib,

I can't help but to point out what you admitted when you said: "I think the VA shame came on the Bush Cheney watch and has been addressed thanks to that so called liberal media."

This is so funny that it overshadows you shifting the blame to Nixon for the same thing a few post later.

From your use of the phrase "so called liberal media" I take it you don't believe the media is liberal. As proof you cite that it was the media that exposed the mistreatment of our heroes. Your logic seems to ask the question, "If the media were really liberal why would they stick up for our heroes?".

Good point.

Sarkazein said...

"The American people will never knowingly adopt Socialism. But under
the name of 'liberalism' they will adopt every fragment of the Socialist
program, until one day America will be a Socialist nation, without
knowing how it happened."

NORMAN MATTOON THOMAS-former Socialist candidate for President

Anonymous said...

Obama calling the troops selfish was on the news. As I mentioned, Jon Stewart of "The Daily Show" even scoffed at it.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

Are you now making excuses for the fact that we rank 37th?

We pay much more for health care than any other country but are only 37th in quality and the conservatives think no action is necessary.

Lets say we factor some of your concerns could we move to 30th?
Best in the world does not make the US Health Care system the best in the world. We can and should do better.

Liberal POV said...

Anonymous

You memory of what you though you hear or saw is not a source or link. Backup your statement with evidence.

""Remember when Obama called our troops selfish because they expected the government to pay for treatment of those wounded in the line of duty? "

Who's making this stuff up? How naive for you to believe such garbage.

Sarkazein said...

POV- We pay more because we have more to offer. Shaking a couple of moroccos over a sick persons head and burning inscents doesn't cost much, nor does telling them to wait in the Q and maybe we'll get to you before you die. You get the best, you pay for the best.
You hold on to that WHO bogus ranking because you hate America. When I first saw it, my reaction was to not believe it. Yours is to hold onto it no matter what the truth is. It is a mental disorder called Liberalism.

Anonymous said...

Sorry if "The Daily Show' is no good enough for you Lib. I watch a lot of news on different networks and don't remember which one I saw it on and that was back in March. I did copy down what Obama said at the time because I was so disappointed. Here is the quote: "Look, it's an all volunteer force. Nobody made these guys go to war. They had to have known and acceptd the risks. Now they whine and complain about bearing the costs of their choice. It doesn't compute... I thought these were the people who were proud to sacrifice for their country. I wasn't asking for blood, just for money. With the country facing the worst financial crisis in history, I'd have thought the patriotic thing would be to try and help others. I guess I underestimated the selfishness of some of my fellow Americans."

Liberal POV said...

Sark

What studies are your opinions based on? I know of no study that ranks the US Health Care system in favorable light.
We have tens of millions without health care who delay medical treatment until the injuries or illness has advance to a trip to the emergency room. This is the most expensive and least effective way to deal with medical problems.

You may need that same emergency room that is clogged with the uninsured.

Now you don't agree with the WHO because its studies disagree with your myths? You're truly a Know Nothing.

Sarkazein said...

POV-

Are you asking if there is a study of the WHO study?
I posted two well written opinions on the WHO study. Did you bother to read them?
Would the WHO have to come out with it's own statement beside the one on your link and beside only doing one in 2000 then stopping? You quote it as if it were fact, yet the WHO does not. You want it to be fact. It's not.

I could link hundreds of articles ranking the US at the top of health care. I didn't need to read them because I know it as fact.

United States has best cancer survival rates
August 4th, 2008 | by Brian Schwartz |
John Goodman summarizes the latest study in The Lancet:

Cancer survival varies widely across the developed world and within the United States. However, in almost every category Americans survive cancer at higher rates than patients in other developed countries. American cancer patients have a higher survival rate for every major form of cancer than patients in Canada and Britain-two English-speaking countries with which the U.S. is often compared.

Sarkazein said...

POV-

Are you asking if there is a study of the WHO study?
I posted two well written opinions on the WHO study. Did you bother to read them?
Would the WHO have to come out with it's own statement beside the one on your link and beside only doing one in 2000 then stopping? You quote it as if it were fact, yet the WHO does not. You want it to be fact. It's not.

I could link hundreds of articles ranking the US at the top of health care. I didn't need to read them because I know it as fact.

United States has best cancer survival rates
August 4th, 2008 | by Brian Schwartz |
John Goodman summarizes the latest study in The Lancet:

Cancer survival varies widely across the developed world and within the United States. However, in almost every category Americans survive cancer at higher rates than patients in other developed countries. American cancer patients have a higher survival rate for every major form of cancer than patients in Canada and Britain-two English-speaking countries with which the U.S. is often compared.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

You are just giving me opinions, not valid research by universities or health organizations with unbiased research. The opinions of these writers are nothing without data to backup the opinions.

Show me a study by Harvard, John Hobkins, or WHO, CDC, Surgeon Gen.

Prove you have some basis for your myth and opinions.

I would expect the US to have a few areas we are number one but over all we are not close to having the best health care system in the world.

I don't think you will find any valid study to support such a claim. Open your mind that you could be wrong on this.

Sarkazein said...

Not even a good try POV. At question is your recommended WHO "study" which is more opinion than fact. The comments I posted are disputing the WHO study. If I post other American studies, you are welcome to challenge them. Wouldn't it even occur to you to try to find studies supporting the WHO rankings that do not use the WHO ranking? Your WHO ranking is bogus and your argument is bogus.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

Maybe you will ilke this study better, It's by the CIA and The US is ranked 50th.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html

Liberal POV said...

Sark

This is the CIA ranking and Cuba out performs the US in with a lower infant mortality.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2091rank.html

I believe some special interest is blowing smoke to hide the facts.

The WHO study looks good compare to the CIA report.

Sarkazein said...

POV-

The CIA study you linked does not rank countries for their healthcare. You just like it because it ranks the USA as 50th. The CIA study is not ranking health-care.

This entry contains the average number of years to be lived by a group of people born in the same year, if mortality at each age remains constant in the future. The entry includes total population as well as the male and female components. Life expectancy at birth is also a measure of overall quality of life in a country and summarizes the mortality at all ages. It can also be thought of as indicating the potential return on investment in human capital and is necessary for the calculation of various actuarial measures.

Liberal POV said...

Anonymous

No politican good or bad would ever say something so non political.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

You're a great expamle of a Know Nothing.

Thoese that don't let facts get in the way of their myths and opinions.

Sarkazein said...

POV- Why don't you post the soccer rankings. The US is probably low on that list also. But it still won't be health-care.

Anonymous said...

Lib, I saw what I saw and have a verbatim quote to help remember. Your denial is only your opinion. If you were really interested you could write "The Daily Show". But since we are dealing with your opinion, would you mind telling me if you truly believe that healthcare in the UK is of better quality than the healthcare in the US.

Anonymous said...

The real issue is why Obama advocated that our troops provide their own medical coverage and then reverse direction when it came to the general public.

Liberal POV said...

Anonymous

We don't have to compare to the UK we have all industriaized nations to compare to.

I personally think the Canadan System is better overall than the US System. The US Health care system is by far the most expensive and leaves out 45 million citizens that either go untreated or get care at the emergency room with that cost factored into Medicare and those with insurance.

The final results we have lower life expectancy and higher infant mortality.

Crime can also be a factor hereas for some reason Canada has a much lower crime rate.

Now Is your wild story about Obama "The real issue is why Obama advocated that our troops provide their own medical coverage" were true it would be all over the internet and news, it's not. Most of what you are hearing for the right wing nuts is lies.

Reader said...

Anon, I think it was on CNN. Lib, try there.

Sarkazein said...

American Legion commander David K. Rehbein was angered after a meeting with Obama:

The leader of the nation’s largest veterans organization says he is “deeply disappointed and concerned” after a meeting with President Obama today to discuss a proposal to force private insurance companies to pay for the treatment of military veterans who have suffered service-connected disabilities and injuries. The Obama administration recently revealed a plan to require private insurance carriers to reimburse the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) in such cases.

“It became apparent during our discussion today that the President intends to move forward with this unreasonable plan,” said Commander David K. Rehbein of The American Legion. “He says he is looking to generate $540-million by this method, but refused to hear arguments about the moral and government-avowed obligations that would be compromised by it.”

The Commander, clearly angered as he emerged from the session said, “This reimbursement plan would be inconsistent with the mandate ’ to care for him who shall have borne the battle’ given that the United States government sent members of the armed forces into harm’s way, and not private insurance companies. I say again that The American Legion does not and will not support any plan that seeks to bill a veteran for treatment of a service connected disability at the very agency that was created to treat the unique need of America’s veterans!” /////

Obama crawfished on the plan after the national outrage

Sarkazein said...

Only the "informed" hadn't heard about this:



By Adam Levine
CNN

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki confirmed Tuesday that the Obama administration is considering a controversial plan to make veterans pay for treatment of service-related injuries with private insurance.


Lawmakers say they'd reject a proposal to make veterans pay for treatment of war wounds with private insurance.

But the proposal would be "dead on arrival" if it's sent to Congress, Sen. Patty Murray, D-Washington, said.

Murray used that blunt terminology when she told Shinseki that the idea would not be acceptable and would be rejected if formally proposed. Her remarks came during a hearing before the Senate Committee on Veterans Affairs about the 2010 budget.

No official proposal to create such a program has been announced publicly, but veterans groups wrote a pre-emptive letter last week to President Obama voicing their opposition to the idea after hearing the plan was under consideration.

The groups also cited an increase in "third-party collections" estimated in the 2010 budget proposal -- something they said could be achieved only if the Veterans Administration started billing for service-related injuries.

Asked about the proposal, Shinseki said it was under "consideration."

"A final decision hasn't been made yet," he said.

USS Rodger Young said...

Liberal POV said:

"This is classic propaganda".

Can you clarify your point. WHY is it propoganda. You sound exactly like Shylock on Watauga Watch after he was confronted with the racism involved in gun ownership by blacks (No Guns for Negros). He simply said the video was a "slick piece of propaganda". When asked to tell why and how it was a slick piece of propaganda, he was unable to. A short time later, I was banned from Watauga Watch because Pam and Dr Williamson realized I was asking questions the fringe left couldn't answer. This includes you. LOL!!!

So, for the hundreth time - how is this a classic piece of propaganda?

Your ole pal
USS Rodger Young

USS Rodger Young said...

Liberal POV:

"As I got older I got wiser."

So you are calling yourself wise now? Quite a back pat isn't it, to be so wise and worldly. What would anyone think of Woodstock? Muddy hippies smoking pot and acting stupid. Some things never change I guess.....

LOL!!!

Your ole pal
USS Rodge

USS Rodger Young said...

Liberal POV Said:

"works best in countries that out perform the US"

Liberal Socialist Sheep,

If everyone is outperforming the US then why are all the illegal aliens not headed to Canada if they are so much better than the US? Our health care works pretty good if 20 million criminals (illegal aliens) can get on a "program" giving them illegal care whenever they want it. Have you not checked out the waiting room at the Watauga Health Department? Guess not or you would see all the pregnant mojados sitting there smiling at you as you pay for them to trample on the rights of Americans. Why are they not in Canada?

Perhaps you could take a stab at answering this one tiny question.

LOL

Your ole pal

USS Rodger Young

samantha


PS. It is evident you have no answers for the tough questions, but then again that is why you are a liberal socialist sheep!!!! LOL.

USS Rodger Young said...

Liberal socialist sheep POV said:

"and leaves out 45 million citizens"

If our system leaves out 45 million persons, then how come 20 million illegal aliens are on health care programs? Again, before you let your mouth override your expansive ass, go to the Watauga Health Department and gaze upon all the criminals (illegal aliens) on a medical program meant for poor Americans. If they can be on one of these programs, then why can't the 45 million Americans you mentioned? Uh huh. No answer as usual. The silence is actually funny though.

Your ole pal

USS Rodger Young

Reader said...

Sark, I just watched a you tube on Zoe Lofgren (D) from CA. She even quoted Foxx... Town hall meetings are being attended by a lot of older folks. Most are angered over the end of life clause and also the abortion clause, Obama has added. Lofgren admitted it was in the bill. If we don't shout our disagreements louder, I don't know what will come of this.

Blogger, I've read some of the blogs from Montana since you mentioned it. From what I gather, they are just as confused as you.

Lib, Canada would probably welcome you with open arms. Just a little over 1500 miles from NC...let us know when you get signed up for their wonderful plan. Good luck.

It's funny how liberals can constantly brag on what other countries offer, but they stay right here, in the good old USA.

Sarkazein said...

POV declared: "Now Is your wild story about Obama "The real issue is why Obama advocated that our troops provide their own medical coverage" were true it would be all over the internet and news, it's not."

It is.

USS Rodger Young said...

Liberal Socialist sheep POV said:

"Crime can also be a factor hereas for some reason Canada has a much lower crime rate."

We were really hoping you would blunder into this one. LOL!!! In talking about crime rates, the 20 million criminals (illegal aliens) who live in the United States are to blame for a large percentage of violent crime. Even if they do not engage in the crime itself, their communities act as "islands" from which hardened criminals such as Mara Salvatrucha, Latin Kings, Surenos, CAM {Crazy Ass Mexicans} and dozens of others are able to integrate into, and operate from. Kind of hard to be a bad ass Mara Salvatrucha member is you stick out like a sore thumb now isn't it?

American prison systems house a significant percentage of illegal aliens. In other words, your taxpayer money goes to housing gangbangers who will one day leave prison and integrate back into the Latino society that you support!!! Any you whine about crime rates in the United States? You, by even the strictest interpretation, are a hypocritical, spineless, yellow, idiot of a lemming.

On one of the many other posts that I reduced you to the blithering pile of refuse you are, I asked you about the percentage of illegal aliens on NCs most wanted list. No answer. Then you start whining about crime rates. Hey my friend, it is YOUR fault. You want the criminals (illegal aliens) here, which also means you get what they bring with them.

I really hope you have the pleasure of living next to a house full of criminals (illegal aliens) one of these days. Of course being the nanny state advocate you are, you would probably call code enforcement or some such to get rid of the problem for you.

When you family travels down 105 and is splattered over two lanes by a drunken illegal aliens and his "posse", I can only say you desserve it. Reap what you sow pardner.

LOL!! Beat that!!!!

Your ole pal

USS Rodger Young

USS Rodger Young said...

Liberal POV,

One more thing on Canada's crime rate. It is rising. Since Canada tried banning handguns, violent crime has skyrocketed across the country. Making victims out of people usually causes that to happen. Can you name one gun ban scheme that has led to a reduction in crime?

Chicago maybe? Or how about DC? No wait, the Sudan possibly? I've got a good one - the ongoing effort to ban Negros from owning guns - that one has really lowered the crime rate amongst inner city folk hasn't it? LOL!!!!

You probably haven't made it this far into this post as you are in the midst of another Rodger Young injection of freedom truth serum, but when you get done writhing in the agony of being wrong (and very wrong at that), I look forward to "redistributing" your fringe left values. LOL!!!!

Lova ya, mean it!!!!!!!!

Your ole pal
USS Rodger Young

Sarkazein said...

Now it is wrong for American companies to challenge the Obama. Now it is wrong for companies to use their money to try and prevent more government intrusion. No one should challenge the Obama. The Obama is all-knowing and all-seeing. To challenge is immoral.

By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG
Published: August 14, 2009
BELGRADE, Mont. — President Obama on Friday accused some insurance companies of trying to undermine his plans for overhauling health care by “funding in opposition,” a comment that could inflame tensions at a time when Mr. Obama is hoping to keep insurers at the negotiating table.

USS Rodger Young said...

My work is done here for the moment. I will go to Watauga Watch and see if I can aid those lost sheep in finding their way. If I am still banned then I will be back to scrape up what is left of Lemming POV.

LOL

Sarkazein said...

Reader-

Even Murtha has said the health-care bill needs more debate and will probably not be done even this year.
WEEKS ago the Obama wanted the bill passed.
The public outcry has worked. There is a video of Pelosi (during President Bush's administration) saying how GREAT it was that the people were disrupting the town hall meetings. You could hear her skin stretch as she smiled. Now, she says they are Nazis.

Reader said...

Her face doesn't bother me as much as her porcelain veeners, that are way too big; not something you usually see in someones mouth. Maybe they're health care plan isn't what we think...no, it probably is. Maybe a conservative just did her work.

I can't imagine how many people are actually protesting, that we aren't hearing about. The left are getting scared now and it's time.

Liberal POV said...

Roger

Whine and insult all you want but your side lost and will continue to lose. You have no solutions, no ideas only myths, anger and bitterness.

Blogger said...

Posted by Anonymous Those who doubt that Obama wanted private insurance for veterans should check out cnnpolitics.com for the article, Veterans Groups Irate At Obama's Private Insurance Proposal Sure enough it was back in March and dropped within 48 hours. I wonder who talked him into it in the first place.

guy faulkes said...

Whine and insult all you want but your side lost and will continue to lose. You have no solutions, no ideas only myths, anger and bitterness. = POV

Polls for the last month do not support you. All indications are that 2010 is going to be a Republican landslide. This is not necessarily a good thing. We need to have conservatives in office that walk the walk, not liberal Republicans that just talk the talk until elected and then back stab their base.

Sarkazein said...

The Liberal defends the bogus WHO rankings and disregards the head Canadian doctor saying the Canadian heath-care system is imploding and giving inadequate care. Does that make it hard to be a liberal or easy... I don't know.

BikerBard said...

Newsflash:
Ronald Reagan is dead!"