This blog,originally founded by Blogger, who is listed in Marquis Who's Who and is a recipient of the Albert Nelson Marquis Lifetime Achievement Award. He holds a theological degree and a doctorate in Counseling Psychology. Taught Psychology for 32 years and is now Professor Emeritus. Is a board-certified psychologist and was awarded the Lifetime Achievement Award in his profession. Ministered as a chaplain, and pastored Baptist and Episcopal churches. Publications cover the integration of psychology and theology. Served in the Army, the Merchant Marines and the Peace Corps.

Wednesday, September 16, 2009

Answer to a Reader's Question Regarding Liberals

Gregg, a regular commenter on this blog asks: “Blogger, your question, ‘Did Dowd reveal unconscious racism?’ implies a psychological overtone that I find interesting. I've asked a liberal on this blog more than once if he thought he was convincing anyone with his rants. Of course he didn't answer. I can't believe he, Dowd, Carter, etc. think that they are convincing anyone. Maybe I'm wrong. Why would anyone enter into debate if they did not think they were convincing. Is it pure hate? Is it stupidity? Is it Ideology? Is it desperation? Do they actually think they have a leg to stand on? Is their opinion of their audience so low that they believe they don't need to be logical? Are they devious? Does truth matter to them?

I guess my questions are rhetorical and I'm not sure there is an answer but I do know it's very sad”

Blogger answers: Gregg, thanks for the question. As a psychologist and a former liberal myself, I ponder your question all the time. Following is one of my answers to myself:

We are all familiar with the line from Hamlet “The lady doth protest too much, methinks.” Shakespeare is identifying what we psychologists term reaction formation. Hollywood is fond of picturing the tight-lipped puritan who is hiding secret lust in his heart. To guard against the feelings, even from himself, the puritan lashes out at the evil anywhere he sees it. In other words, he protests too much.

One suspects reaction formation when someone loses it over something that is not really that provoking.

Rage, when one is personally threatened, makes sense. Rage against other people’s attitudes which carry no personal threat, does not make sense. The question we use to ask one another as kids is “What’s it to you?”

So when I get intense reactions on this blog for example, which are not proportional to the provocation, I ask myself: “Am I dealing with a reaction formation?” Does this person harbor secret thoughts that are not politically correct, but hiding them even from himself? Is he really as compassionate as he tries to make himself believe?

Or, if I had such a person in psychotherapy and he felt psychologically safe, would he confess to himself who he really is? If he did, he would be cured and could go through life at peace with himself and others.

58 comments:

Gregg said...

Blogger,

I need to think about your answer a bit before I comment but you may have said all that needs to be said.

In the meantime, which is also a groovy time, I wanted to say thanks.

Gregg said...

The concept of "reaction formation" does make some sense to me. Blogger's first paragraph describes Elliot Spitzer with his zealous pursuit of prostitutes and Johns to a tee. However, I think there's more to it. Dick Morris once made the analogy of a newlywed realizing they have made a terrible mistake. They know in their heart that it won't work but there is so much invested that they are very reluctant to let go. That also rings true and may help explain the tipping point we seem to be approaching. Even with that scenario the skeptical spouse wouldn't defend their partner at all cost. I keep coming back to ideology being more important than truth for some. The problem there is that's totally antithetical to anything I can relate to. It makes no sense at all even though it would explain things if it did. Possibly, the truth to some is a continuum. There is no black or white, only varying shades of gray but can't there be black, white and gray or is that a gray area? Yea, yea I know, creepy. I am however, beginning to change my view from "the truth doesn't matter to some" to "some don't believe there is truth". That is at least more kind but I'm not quite there.

My head hurts.

GroundedInReality said...

Blogger, you just left the average liberal political pundit or commentator in the dust. Since most copy is written for an 8th grade education the brain power required to think beyond the typical "your a racist" line would short circuit their brains. :-)

Gregg said...

This makes sense, and actually suggest a solution...of sorts.

guy faulkes said...

This is a very interesting concept. It approaches existentialism. As I understand it, an existentialist believes that he is the center of the universe because it can only exist as he sees it. The problem I have with this concept is that most existentialists either do not give a damn what other people think and do not try to educate themselves or they are so worried about what other people think that they refuse to form an opinion. Both instances appear to define vast amounts of different parts of the far left.

Blogger said...

Gregg, bottom line is that a lot of us are working on your question as to why liberals lose it so easily emotionally when there is no obvious explanation.

One reason, I go with reaction formation is that I once was the therapist for a lot of Southern Baptist ministers. Some of them were even about to be fired, but when they discovered their own reaction formations, they were freed to love their congregations and their congregations loved them.

Liberal POV said...

Dr Blogger

Please explain why the conservatives have lost their moral bearing and ability to empathizes with those less.

Why would someone like youself who has a government health care plan work so hard to prevent a family working at below a living wages from having a similar policy?

Why do folks like yourself find the Golden rule doesn't apply to their polical views?
When do you Dr Blogger think the Golden Rule should apply?

Gregg said...

I've got your golden rule right here:

When someone dedicates an entire thread in a heart-felt effort to to understand you and be civil then your should try to understand them in civil way. You know, do unto others...

guy faulkes said...

Oh good, POV has made his same lame post on a different day. He makes his emotional guilt trip charges backed up with nothing (including logic). How unusual. He has made the Blogger's point.

Gregg said...

But then there' Obama. Who knows what's behind his thinking! Stupidity? The headline on drudge is: "Poles: We've been sold to the Russians!". The genius timed it well, from the NYT:

"But it made for unfortunate timing, as Thursday is the 70th anniversary of the Soviet invasion of Poland at the start of World War II, a date fraught with sensitivity for Poles who viewed the Bush missile defense system as a political security blanket against Russia."

While Ahmadinejad licks his chops:

"This regime (Israel) will not last long. Do not tie your fate to it ... This regime has no future. Its life has come to an end,"

Blogger said...

Grounded in Reality wrote "Blogger, you just left the average liberal political pundit or commentator in the dust"
Thanks

Liberal POV said...

Gregg,Dr Blogger and GOP

Why is the word justice missing from your political agenda?

How about the word conservation?

Why do most Conservatives distain humatairans like Jimmy Carter, but admire hate monger like Cheney, Hannity, O'Reily, Rush or Joe Wilson?

The word peace is not a popular conservative word?

How about the word fairness?
Please enlighten us Dr Blogger.

Nobody said...

I'll take a shot at this -- conservatives believe that the golden rule and charity are personal attributes. One should be charitable with their own money and time, not something that is forcibly taken from someone else. Charity with someone else's money is easy and requires no sacrifice, but this is what liberals support -- taking the property, by force, from one group of people to give to another, most often for political reasons. It is much easier to receive votes when you promise "free" goodies in exchange. Additionally, most studies have shown that conservatives are more charitable with their own time and money than liberals. We live the golden rule with our own decisions -- you try to legislate the golden rule.

Liberal POV said...

Nobody

Who has the most political Power the wealthy and special interest or those that make up the working poor?

Where the word justice fit into your political ideaolgy?

Nobody you claim to be death panel nonsence?

Gregg said...

"...working poor?"

Isn't that an oxymoron?

Nobody said...

"Where the word justice fit into your political ideaolgy?"

What does this mean?

"Nobody you claim to be death panel nonsence?"

What does this mean? Why can't you keep one coherent thought in your posts? Did you not understand the things I said? Your post has no relevance to what I stated. To me, justice means opportunity, not free handouts. Quit trying to portray me as evil and wishing people would die -- you don't know me at all and I consider it slanderous. It seems your default position is, "Everyone who disagrees with me is evil and stupid." You prove the blogger's points about reaction formation so well, though I wonder, given your inability to spell, form grammatically correct sentences and maintain coherence in your posts, if you are able to see it.

guy faulkes said...

"Who has the most political Power the wealthy and special interest or those that make up the working poor?" - POV

The working people have the most political influence. There are more of them involved with the political process. Some are more financially successful than others. Everyone belongs to a "special interest" group, including POV. POV's group is that which promotes the far left policies (including socialism) of which he is so fond. POV, do you also despise your special interest group? After all, many of the far left plans to become wealthy from the adoption of these policies.

"Where (does) the word justice fit into your political ideaolgy? (sp)" - POV

I cannot speak for Nobody, but the concept of justice is the basis of my ideology. I believe that one is responsible for himself. I do not believe in stealing from those that produce to support those that are capable of producing but choose not to (exorbitant taxes). I believe in the rule of law that is supposed to keep illegal aliens from stealing our jobs, filling our jails (murdering our citizens (as the Agent Rosas incident, dealing drugs, etc.), and stealing our resources (health care, education and other social services). The other just examples of my beliefs are to numerous to list, but most of them are opposite of the unjust beliefs of POV.

"Nobody you claim to be death panel nonsence (sp)?" - POV

I cannot decipher this gibberish. I do not know if POV is trying to refute the undeniable existence of the rationing of health care that will be under government control which will occur if Obamacare is passed or if he is accusing Nobody of being on a death panel. Neither of these conjunctures make sense, but POV seldom makes sense. The statement could be for either conjecture or something else entirely. We have to let POV try again for something coherent.

Once again, POV's post has nothing to do with the subject of the thread. It does provide a fine example of Blogger's reasoning.

Blogger said...

Liberal POV, as every one on this thread has understood, you keep illustrating the point. Are you trying to help out and make me look good? If so, thanks.

Liberal POV said...

Nobody

"We live the golden rule with our own decisions -- you try to legislate the golden rule."

What better rule to follow when passing leislation?

Liberal POV said...

Dr Blogger

Please explain why the conservatives have lost their moral bearing and ability to empathizes with those with less.

Why would someone like youself who has a government health care plan work so hard to prevent a family working at below a living wages from having a similar policy?

Why do folks like yourself find the Golden rule doesn't apply to their polical views?
When do you Dr Blogger think the Golden Rule should apply?

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Try to apply the golden rule in just one instance.

You are the undocumented worker and have a family to care for.

Would you want to be called a common criminal?

As an undocumented worker would you want to feel secure in calling the police if your family were threadened?

Would you want to be able to seek medical attention for a sick child?

Liberal PON said...

Nobody

I'm not sure what happened to the missing words.

"Nobody you claim to be an educated person but have done nothing to correct the death panel nonsense?"

All media except the hate media has shown this to be a deliberate lie paid for by the speacial interest indutries.

Liberal POV said...

Gregg and Hate media junkies. Anger addicts

"working poor?"


Here's the inability to empathize with those who work for less than a living wage.

The Republican agenda is the keep wage and benefits as low as possible

Liberal said...

Hate media junkies and GOP

The conservative moral compass is broken and you people have traded your humanity for greed and anger highs from the hate media.

oatz said...

Liberal POV repeat after me "I will read my entire post before I publish". Habit for Humanity is currently fighting lawsuits in both Florida and Georgia from recipients of the Homes for shoddy workmanship and toxic mold due to same shoddy work( oh those unintended consequences again). Liberal POV please define a "living wage" since any Government mandated minimum wage increase is immediately followed by a price increase so the net effect is always the same. A better way to raise the standard of living for the "working poor" is to cut their federal, State, and local taxes( which Obama promised, but has NOT delivered). I met an earnest young woman one evening at a social gathering during the course of the festivities the subject of "What do you do for a living" came up. She worked for a Chicago based non-profit group who's sole purpose was to fight for a living wage. I stated that was a noble, but fruitless fight since any Government mandated rise in minimum wage was immediately met with a rise in prices and the net effect was always the same. The poor are still at the same level. You would have thought I just slapped her with a dead fish across the face by the look she gave me. Mind you this was before Obama so Bush was to blame for all the downtrodden plight. Now that Hope & Change has blown through and unemployment is at 10% and rising I will ask again are we any better off after $4 Trillion dollars spent?

guy faulkes said...

POV, you are wrong. As you are incapable of honest debate, do you think you could refrain from using half of a thread to keep repeating the same old tired propaganda and talking points. I have always been a proponent of your right to voice an opinion, but as you never have anything you can substantiate to say, I am beginning to not even read your posts.

All right, I gave you the benefit of the doubt and read your posts. I was right. You had nothing to say of value. I do live by the golden rule. I obey the rule of law and expect others to do the same. I would not be an undocumented worker - criminal - illegal alien. I would be a legal immigrant which as even you can understand, is a horse of a different color. Also, I have to believe that the cause of the incoherent posts was your anger overcoming you to the point you could not function.

Blogger, POV has provided irrefutable proof that your theories are correct, including the one that says he is incapable of understanding the issue. I find it hilarious that he keeps proving this.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Once again you prove what conservatives think they know just ain't so.

Please explain the process you would go through to get here legally.

guy faulkes said...

I would follow any of the several guidelines that allow for legal immigration. You can easily Google these options if you so desire.

As you like to discuss hypothetically illegal situations, I will ask you about one that is just as relevant to this thread as the those you have proposed.

Lets say you are a serial rapist / murderer. Do you favor gun control as it would reduce a woman's ability to protect herself from you?

Have you no empathy for these criminals? What about the golden rule?

Did scenario this help you understand how idiotic you appear?

Dr. BikerBard said...

If you are looking for expert opinion on the question you pose, you need to look no farther than your own expert, Faulkes. He does not enter discussions on Watauga Watch - he rants, he annoys, he instigates aggression, he hates, he rages. Classic reaction formation, in my opinion. Do you agree, Doc?

In reading your last post, Faux, you really are a hoot! Classic case of projection.

oatz said...

BikerBard once again PLEASE do not throw stones when standing in a glass outhouse because, you will get cut and find yourself in deep doo doo .

oatz said...

President Obama said this week that his health care plan won't cover illegal immigrants, but argued that's all the more reason to legalize them and ensure they eventually do get coverage.

He also staked out a position that anyone in the country legally should be covered - a major break with the 1996 welfare reform bill, which limited most federal public assistance programs only to citizens and longtime immigrants.

"Even though I do not believe we can extend coverage to those who are here illegally, I also don't simply believe we can simply ignore the fact that our immigration system is broken," Mr. Obama said Wednesday evening in a speech to the Congressional Hispanic Caucus Institute. "That's why I strongly support making sure folks who are here legally have access to affordable, quality health insurance under this plan, just like everybody else.

Mr. Obama added, "If anything, this debate underscores the necessity of passing comprehensive immigration reform and resolving the issue of 12 million undocumented people living and working in this country once and for all."

Nobody said...

Lib,

You said "Nobody you claim to be an educated person but have done nothing to correct the death panel nonsense?"
I don't claim to be educated -- why the derisive tone? I did graduate college with a degree in history and took macro and micro economics. How about you? Death Panels were referred to by liberals as end of life counseling. If this was something that never existed, explain this article: "Senators eliminate end-of-life provision -- http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2009/08/14/senators_eliminate_end_of_life_provision/

I also provided a link to the Oregon situation where the government refused to pay for care, but offered assisted suicide. How short your memory is! I'm tired of allowing you to frame the debate here, but never answering questions. Explain the justice in the following situation: I came from a poor background -- neither parent went to college; mom was a high school dropout. I worked hard in high school, paid my own way through college and am now a working professional, middle class. Married with children. Try to take care of my own responsibilities. Not rich, but okay and fortunate. My wife's cousin also came from a poor background. Has three kids by different men and currently lives with her boyfriend. Receives about $2500/month in aid, counting SSI checks housing assistance, food stamps and WIC. On medicaid, so she goes to the doctor about 1-2 times per month without paying. Received a "tax refund" of $6000 due to the EIC. Boyfriend is "disabled" but works under the table to avoid paying taxes or losing his disability check. She is "poor" but how much of this am I responsible for? Is it justice, in your ideology, to take from me to give to her. I try to be responsible and am punished. She lives irresponsibly and gets rewarded. She bought her kids a playstation 3 and games for Christmas last year -- her retail sales income is all hers, because she doesn't buy any necessities (my kids don't have a playstation 3) and her boyfriend just bought a new $1500 laptop. Your statements reveal that you think ALL poor are poor because the rich are rich. I think quite a few of the poor are poor because they act irresponsibly. Is it justice to tax the person who worked their way through medical or law school to give it to their classmate who got pregnant or did drugs or dropped out? As someone who worked their way out of poverty, I can tell you that handouts can and do create a sense of dependency and entitlement. As someone who interacts with the impoverished a lot, I know this is more widespread than you admit. How much do you personally interact with the poor? Or is your view and opinion of the poor based solely on your conjecture and theory?

Sarkazein said...

Nobody-
Thanks for your last comment. It is a great story.
Your point about there being more irresponsible people ripping off the system than most people would believe, was just proven to all by the ACORN videos.
Cheating and scamming is a way of life, the norn. To these ACORN workers and many of the "poor", their only job is to mug Uncle Sugar. Problem is, we are Uncle Sugar and don't take to being mugged anymore.
This easy access to others money is ruining generation after generation. The cruelty exists in those who insist the programs should continue.
Poverty grows as "government help" grows, ethics disappear and eventually all are poor and unethical.
These are the cruel and inhumane results of liberalism through governmental intervention.

Nobody said...

Sark,
Thanks, and I couldn't agree more. The liberal attitude seems to be that nothing should be condemned as wrong, except for being a conservative. We used to believe that certain behaviors were to be shamed -- it discouraged them. Now we subsidize them through "government assistance" and say that everything's okay -- who are we to judge? Looked at illegitimacy rates since LBJ's Great Society? 70%+ in African-American communities and 30% in white communities. People are going to make mistakes -- liberals reading this are chomping at the bit to make a snide comment about Sarah Palin's daughter. The thing is, people should strive to do better and learn from their mistakes instead of repeating them and passig them on. Receiving a check from the government and free health care makes it seem as if you're getting rewarded for what used to be considered bad behavior. The part I left out of my previous post is that my wife's cousin admitted to my wife that she wanted to have another baby because she would receive more money each month...

Blogger said...

"Mr. Obama added, "If anything, this debate underscores the necessity of passing comprehensive immigration reform and resolving the issue of 12 million undocumented people"

Does that not sound like something right out of Alice in Wonderland--maybe even by the Mad Hatter?

Blogger said...

Dr Biker Bard, regarding your psychoanalysis of Faulkes, I don’t know any politically conservatives who repress their feelings about political ideas. They tend to be authentic in their attitudes as you see in the thread by Nothing regarding his family member. Conservatives usually tell it like it is, so they have no need to use projection and reaction formation to do numbers on themselves.

Now imagine a liberal dealing with his thoughts about that same family member. He would have to do all sorts of mind games on himself to keep his true reactions from surfacing into his consciousness.

Blogger said...

Gregg wrote "got your golden rule right here."

Nothing wrote "I'll take a shot at this"

Super thanks for major contributions here.

Blogger said...

Guy wrote to Lib: “I am beginning to not even read your posts” Guy, when you think about it, we may even be reading someone’s personal and private mail. For example, following are some of the people to whom Lib addresses his comments. None of these include me.

GOP ( Grumpy Old People ) Hate media Junkies, fear addicts, silly people.
Anger Addicts
Anger Mob ( GOP )
Angry Mob
GOP (Grumpy Old People) Know Nothings and Rush Groupies.
GOP ( Grumpy Old People ) Know Nothings, Fox News and Rush Groupies

Liberal POV said...

Nobody

"My wife's cousin also came from a poor background. Has three kids by different men and currently lives with her boyfriend. Receives about $2500/month in aid, counting SSI checks housing assistance, food stamps and WIC. On medicaid, so she goes to the doctor about 1-2 times per month without paying. Received a "tax refund" of $6000 due to the EIC. Boyfriend is "disabled" but works under the table to avoid paying taxes or losing his disability check. She is "poor" but how much of this am I responsible for? Is it justice, in your ideology, to take from me to give to her."

Are there poor people out there that are their own worst enemy? Yes, lots of bad chooses ( alcohol, drugs, lazy, smoking, over use of credit, lack of motivation, criminal records dropping out of school) contribute to the high poverty numbers in the United States.
This is no excuse to deny health care coverage to all Americans. The best way to fight the loss of these people as positive contributers the American economy is help them or more likely their children become achievers. Please don't focus on those we will never be able to help.

If your sister's cousin is going to the doctor twice a month suggest there maybe a medical reason for her problems.

Social justice requires a living wage for those that work, health care as seen a basic human right, education as an investment in the common good of all society. No one should go uneducated because of lack of funds. Education is the way we break the cycles of poverty.

" Your statements reveal that you think ALL poor are poor because the rich are rich. "

I think the wealth ( not middle class ) live by the golden rule " Those with Gold make the Rules".

The truly wealthy hire PR firms, the likes of Hate media ( Rush, Beck, Hannity)( Fox owned by Rupert Murdock), attorneys, accountants, lobbyist and politicians to keep taxes low and employee wages and benefits low.
Hell the PR is so good they have bloggers like poor Matt lobbying against his own interest.

Notice today's Charlotte Observer at the income of local NC CEO. Now just under the CEO are CFO, Presidents and vice presidents. These incomes are obscene. Many of these were medical related industries. This greed by corporate royalty decreases income of those with retirement income invested with such companies, increases the price of services and products of the companies, decreases number of engineers or marketing staff.



I ask you again about the word JUSTICE and the golden rule and your political agenda?

Liberal POV said...

Dr Blogger


Please tell us about the Conservative messengers like Rush, Beck, and Newt.

Why have these poor men often have problems with lasting relationships and Drugs and alcohol in their lives?

Liberal POV said...

Nobody

Death Panel

Please explain what you think this consist of?

What do you believe would have happened even if original wording of Health care bill had passed and become law?

Liberal POV said...

Blogger

Your the one helping spread the death panel lie.

What do you believe would have happened if the original health care billpassed?

Liberal POV said...

Nobody

"I also provided a link to the Oregon situation where the government refused to pay for care, but offered assisted suicide".

The government under medicaid paid for this woman's care for two years and until her death.

What they didn't do was paid to extend her suffering for an additional two months.
The woman was dying and their was no treatment that could prevent that.
Check the rest of the story.

Liberal POV said...

Blogger and these do include you

GOP ( Grumpy Old People ) Hate media Junkies, fear addicts, silly people.
Anger Addicts
Anger Mob ( GOP )
Angry Mob
GOP (Grumpy Old People) Know Nothings and Rush Groupies.
GOP ( Grumpy Old People ) Know Nothings, Fox News and Rush Groupies

The fear and hate industry has one product to sell and that's anger.

The anger junkies arrive daily for their fixes.

This hate and fear industry get revenue in the form of advertising, book sales, speaking fees.

The last thing this industry wants is a civil discussion of the problems facing this nation or a solution to our problems.

It would make absolutely no difference what Obama did the fear must be sold daily.

Facts, truth and common good have nothing to do with the discussion, fear must be sold.

Dr Blogger is doing his part as a fear monger.

Blogger said...

Lib as usual gives us examples. Here is the mental machinations of a Liberal doing a number on himself.

Lib wrote: "Are there poor people out there that are their own worst enemy? Yes, lots of bad chooses"

It is the bad "chooses" that are pushed upon them.

oatz said...

President Barack Obama says requiring people to get health insurance and fining them if they don't would not amount to a backhanded tax increase. "I absolutely reject that notion," the president said.

Blanketing most of the Sunday TV news shows, Obama defended his proposed health care overhaul, including a key point of the various health care bills on Capitol Hill: mandating that people get health insurance to share the cost burden fairly among all. Those who failed to get coverage would face financial penalties.

Obama said other elements of the plan would make insurance affordable for people, from a new comparison-shopping "exchange" to tax credits.

Telling people to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase, Obama told ABC's "This Week."

Of course, this is not what Obama said just two years ago.
In a speech he gave in April 2007 Obama said that health care reform "would require tax hikes" and that "savings are just a theory."

Liberal POV said...

Oatz

It would make absolutely no difference what Obama did or does the fear must be sold daily.

Liberal POV said...

Blogger

You're right I did weaken my argument with the use of choose instead of choices.

Is that you best defense is that Liberal POV used the wrong word or misspelled his argument?

You help me with my spelling and grammar and I will help you with you lose of humanity and anger addiction.

Much is pushed onto the poor like tobacco, sugar, low wages, high interest, high fat foods.

Why is the sugar industry subsidized instead on taxed?

Why can interest be over 30% ?

Why did it take so long to stop targeting tobacco to kids?

The last thing the fear industry wants is a civil discussion of the problems facing this nation or a solution to our problems. Blogger you're doing your part.

Blogger said...

Lib "chooses" Could not help myself. The devil made me do it.

Anyway, as usual, you missed the point.

Nobody said...

Lib,

As usual, you ignore my basic question and flood the thread with a ton of questions. If I were single with no children and no job, perhaps I could take the time to answer every single one, but since you refuse to answer the questions you know you cannot answer without betraying a flaw, I'm going to watch football and play with my kids. This does, however, seem to be your primary tactic -- create a feeling of ADD in anyone who tries to discuss something with you. Answer my basic question -- "Is it justice, in your ideology, to take from me to give to her."

guy faulkes said...

POV,

Lets say you are a serial rapist / murderer. Do you favor gun control as it would reduce a woman's ability to protect herself from you?

Have you no empathy for these criminals? What about the golden rule?

Did scenario this help you understand how idiotic you appear?

I notice you had no response to this example of your tactics. Why not, pray tell?

Blogger, there is no need to defend me or any other conservative from BB (I notice he has promoted himself to the status of doctor). We own him. Any of us can make him say and do anything we want by presenting an opposing opinion to the action we want him to take. He is hilarious.

Liberal POV said...

Nobody

""Is it justice, in your ideology, to take from me to give to her."

The answer is no if it was just your money alone, but to collectively use tax dollars to see that she has medical care for her and her children or that the children are well fed and have clothing and a home is better than any alternative I know.

Was it justice to take my tax dollars and fund the war in Iraq which I strongly opposed? Yes, because that is how our government works. Individuals don't get veto power over their tax dollars only a vote.

The last election was for major change and for a public health care option.Obama is now our President with a 55% approval rating.

We all have our story of government money being spent in way we strongly disagree.

I have a feeling while parts of you story of the wife's cousin are true, she may have a very different version.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

"I notice you had no response to this example of your tactics. Why not, pray tell?"

I did not respond because I couldn't find the logic in your post and still don't.

How did you leap from empathy for the working poor and undocumented workers to serial rapist and gun control?

Try again!

guy faulkes said...

POV, we are finally getting somewhere. The gun control / rapist-murderer comment had nothing to do with your post. Your post had nothing to do with the topic of the thread. Maybe now you can begin to realize that when you change the subject of a thread when you cannot address the issue, you not only look like a fool, but prove you are one.

The entire point of this thread is trying to figure out why the left continuously uses this tactic.

Let's hear it directly from the horses mouth. Why do you attempt to change the subject when you are debating? Is this your way of admitting your defeat or an attempt to keep from doing so? Exactly what does format your reaction?

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Blogger
Chose to analize Liberals so I tough it only fair he address the issue of Conservatives loss of moral grounding and disreguard for the golden rule when it comes to a political agenda.

Why would blogger who has the same type health care being proposed fight to keep those that need that same type coverage from getting it?
Why would Blogger reprint misinformation on this blog to prevent others from getting the health care coverage he himself has?

guy faulkes said...

You cannot help yourself, POV. You prove Blogger's theory on every thread, not just this one. However, your maybe you now realize how foolish your tactic of dissimulation makes you appear. I know you will never admit it. You may not be capable of this admission. However, I believe you now are aware of how lame the tactic is because you can recognize it when it is used by someone with which you disagree. If this is a mental problem that you have, please accept my sympathies.

guy faulkes said...

Sorry for the extra word your. I left it in when I corrected a sentence. I am getting as bad as POV.

oatz said...

Health officials ordered an investigation on Thursday into why the Canadian government sent body bags to an Aboriginal reserve in Manitoba after community leaders requested assistance to deal with an expected outbreak of swine flu.

The body bags were sent this week to a remote northern reserve that was hard hit by swine flu last spring. The bags were in a shipment of hand sanitisers and face masks.

Canadian Health Minister Leona Aglukkaq said she found the action by Health Canada insensitive and offensive.

"As minister of health and as an Aboriginal, I am offended," Aglukkaq said in a statement Thursday.

"To all who took offence at what occurred, I want to say that I share your concern and I pledge to get to the bottom of it."