This blog,originally founded by Blogger, who is listed in Marquis Who's Who and is a recipient of the Albert Nelson Marquis Lifetime Achievement Award. He holds a theological degree and a doctorate in Counseling Psychology. Taught Psychology for 32 years and is now Professor Emeritus. Is a board-certified psychologist and was awarded the Lifetime Achievement Award in his profession. Ministered as a chaplain, and pastored Baptist and Episcopal churches. Publications cover the integration of psychology and theology. Served in the Army, the Merchant Marines and the Peace Corps.

Monday, September 21, 2009

Democrats or Republicans Which are the Meanspirited?


Our commenter Gregg, responded to another commenter who accuses conservatives of spreading divisiveness and meanness. Gregg wrote “politicians who spread divisiveness and meanness,” you gotta be kidding. That's just more meaningless feel-good crap. Who is more divisive and mean than Democrats? Pelosi denigrating protesters as Nazi's; Dick Durbin comparing Bush to Pol Pot; Harry Reid calling Bush a loser; John Kerry saying our soldiers were "terrorizing women and children"; Van Jones saying Republicans are "assholes"; Howard Dean saying he hates Republicans and all they stand for; John Murtha accusing the since exonerated Haditha soldiers of killing in "cold blood"; Al Gore calling bloggers "digital brown shirts"; Maxine waters with her "Neanderthal" comment; etc. and on and on. It's Jimmy Carter who is making a mockery of honest debate by interjecting race. Obama looks sincere in his speech saying he wants to work with Republicans but it is BS. He acts insulted when Joe Wilson shouts "You Lie" but then uses the same term in the same paragraph in the same speech in the same hallowed chamber. That's just the public officials.

Remember the typical Bush protest?(Scroll to end) It's Democrats on this very blog who constantly tell us how evil we are. It's Democrats that foment this resentment toward achievement–a resentment of which nothing good can possibly come. It's Democrat's that want to divide us on race and be judged, not by the content of their character, but by the color of their skin--look no further than Skip Gates or Rev. Wright.

Why don't you stand over here with us liberty lovers who care about the truth more than ideology?

88 comments:

guy faulkes said...

Excellent thread, Blogger! One has to wonder if the hate shown by our far left friends is because they do not really think about issues on an intellectual level. If they do not agree with someone or some tactic, they respond more on a religious confrontational level. Would this cause them to have reaction formations such as you described in a preceding thread?

Liberal POV said...

Blogger

The Iraq war was totally unnecessary and maybe as many as one million people have died because of this mistake. Our economy has been wrecked because of it, our reputation has been tarnished.

"John Murtha accusing the since exonerated Haditha soldiers of killing in "cold blood""

Did no American soldier kill anyone in cold blood?

Was a 14 year old girl not raped and her family killed ?

"Jimmy Carter who is making a mockery of honest debate by interjecting race. "

Race has nothing what so ever to do with the anti Obama fever?

The Republican Party has no history of using race to win elections?

"John Kerry saying our soldiers were "terrorizing women and children""

Have Republicans ever heard of My Lia?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtRlFtDu_6o&feature=related

Blogger said...

Kudos to Gregg on this one!

passing through said...

What is the point of POV's post?

Blogger said...

Your guess is as good as mine.

Nobody said...

Passing Through,
We wonder the same thing quite often here.

Anonymous said...

Passing through

Democrats and those protesting the war in Iraq had real issues and real people were dying. Real torture was taking place. Lots and lot of real corruption and scandals were taking place under the Bush Admin.

Blogger dismissses the truth in real history.

This was not imagined issues like phony death panels, socialist take overs and all the other myths and Republican silliness.

brushfire said...

I remember America before there were red states and blue states. In all my life I never heard tell of Americans being so polarized since the War between the states. This can't be good for us.

passing through said...

What torture are you referring to? The water boarding that prevented more attacks? How can you argue there are no death panels when there has already been a case reported where a state government offered a woman doctor assisted suicide rather than a pacemaker?

As to brushfire's comments, if the government does not start listening to the people then there is going to be trouble. Red, Blue, Republican, Democrat, does not matter.

Sarkazein said...

Gregg- How true. I have always believed Democrats are the mean-spirited ones. AND so would everyone if they got the news coverage showing the posters in your picture link. But the MSM won't show it over and over. It is rare when they turn on their own.

guy faulkes said...

Passing through, you have made the same points most of us have made to POV. He either does not or will not understand us and he can not or will not understand you. You may also be surprised at the number of people on this site concerned with the truth without regard for political ideology.

Sarkazein said...

Brushfire- "I remember America before there were red states and blue states"

The Democrats made a hard Left, and opened the divide. Obama is supposed to be the great uniter. In away it is true, the Republicans are more united than ever.

brushfire said...

What government are you talking about? Specifically the president? Remember he was elected by a clear majority and he is fulfilling his campaign promises. He is listening to the people who elected him. If you are talking about congress, then un-elect them. That's what democracy is all about.

guy faulkes said...

If you are talking about congress, then un-elect them. That's what democracy is all about. - brusfire

That is exactly what we will do in 2010. We will be helped by the large number experiencing voter's remorse with Obama. Hopefully we can get a presidential candidate that will be something other than liberal lite in 2012.

I must partially disagree with Sark. I do not think the Republicans are more united. I think the moderates and conservatives are. I agree with passing through. Party does not mean much anymore.

Sarkazein said...

Guy Faulkes-

I partially agree with you. To clarify: Those who will vote Republican will be united more than ever against an un-incarcerated Obama.

Gregg said...

I heard this Rabbi (Brad Hirchfield) on NPR discussing how vitriolic discourse has become. He was to speak at Lees MCrae college that night, maybe someone saw him. The program was an hour of Republican bashing as if they were the problem. No balance at all, typical NPR. I emailed the show giving many of the examples I gave here. It wasn't read, but they did read the one calling Rush a clown. After the show I followed up and heard back from the producer, the host and the Rabbi. The producer, "off the record", tacitly admitted to the bias. The Rabbi was very nice but still had blinders on. The host made a lame attempt to explain at which point I used his own words to hang him.

Let me go on record, while civility is preferred it is not the most significant factor. Truth is. We on the right should be angry at the hypocrisy, we shouldn't take kindly to being lied to or being called racist, Nazi's, Neanderthals, uncaring, discompassionate and too unenlightened to question Obama.

Then they accuse US of being divisive? They're shameless.

Liberal POV said...

Passing through

"What torture are you referring to? The water boarding that prevented more attacks?

Today's Charlotte Observer has an AP story by Pamela Hess debunking the myth of torture preventing attacks or being useful. It seems the opposite was true.
It seems Cheney believed in "folk psychology " and had watch too much "24 hours".

http://wtop.com/?nid=116&sid=1767327

" How can you argue there are no death panels when there has already been a case reported where a state government offered a woman doctor assisted suicide rather than a pacemaker? "

This story sure changed! For starter could you link a story were someone on medicaid who was denied a pacemaker?

There was a woman Barbara Wagner in Oregon dying of cancer which Medicaid had paid for her treatment for two years and continued to cover treatment and hospice care until her death a few weeks after the suicide story.

Remember most conservatives oppose her getting any health care assistance using taxpayer money.

Do we agree this woman should have recieved cancer treatment even if it required taxpayer funding, but disagree on when it switches from treatment to comfort?


The only drug available Tarveca would not have prevent her death only proloned the dying process at best a couple of months longer than no treatment if it worked at all.

ABC did a pretty good job of covering this sad story.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=5517492&page=1

Be assured for profit insurance will do for more of this sort of denials.

Ms Wagner was dying and no treatment was going to prevent that from happening.

passing through said...

I was wrong. It was not a pacemaker, but she was denied health care.

http://www.physiciansforreform.org/index.php?id=30

Liberal POV said...

Passing Through

"I was wrong. It was not a pacemaker, but she was denied health care."

Ms Wagner was not denied care she was denied an expensive drug Tarveca that would not have cured her but may have extended the dying process by a few months. Ms Wagner was in the final stage of cancer.

Ms Wagner continued to receive medical care and what could be done was done short of the drug Tarveca .

Ms Wagner's case has been exploited and exaggerated by the lobby for the status quo of our American system of expensive and lagging for profit health care and insurance programs.

guy faulkes said...

In other words her quality and length of life was decided by the government, not her or her doctor. There is no other viable term for the agency of the government that made this decision but a death panel.

If the left uses the nuclear option to push Obamacare through over the objections of the people, it will politically vaporize the left.

Sarkazein said...

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Hassan Nemazee, a fund-raiser for Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and other Democrats, has been indicted for defrauding Bank of America, HSBC and Citigroup Inc out of more than $290 million in loan proceeds, U.S. prosecutors said on Monday.///


Obama as elected with stolen money he accepted.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

We have the best government money can buy.

Yes we need real campaign reform and all corporate money out, much shorter campaigns, more real issues.

No silliy issues like flag pins, or silly canidates in tanks or hunting outfits, church photo ops, just issues. Both parties have to play the silliness of the American Campaign trail and both partys get dirty money.

Republicans have no high ground to stand on with this issue.

Blogger said...

Brushfire wrote “In all my life I never heard tell of Americans being so polarized.” Brushfire, perhaps one reason we are so polarized is that we are better informed than at any point in our history. There are some issues worth fighting about. The big divide is regarding whether government is better positioned to solve our economic problems versus private enterprise being better positioned. Right now that is the big fight.

We clash with each other because we are now either at the 50-50 point or nearing it. That point is when 50% of the people live off the government and 50% have to pay for it–between tax receivers and tax payers. Tax receivers, include all those working for Federal, state and local governments; Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid recipients; welfare recipients; and of course the military. You can probably add others.

A second confrontation is whether American values are the best in the world and should be defended versus America is the problem in the world.

There are other issues, but these two above are the big separators.

Blogger said...

Gregg wrote: "heard back from the producer" Awesome and historical Gregg. I wish you had it all in writing so you could publish it.

Sarkazein said...

By Ian Talley

When it comes to greenhouse-gas emissions, Energy Secretary Steven Chu sees Americans as unruly teenagers and the Administration as the parent that will have to teach them a few lessons.


Energy Secretary Chu: A teaching moment (AP)
Speaking on the sidelines of a smart grid conference in Washington, Dr. Chu said he didn’t think average folks had the know-how or will to to change their behavior enough to reduce greenhouse-gas emissions.

“The American public…just like your teenage kids, aren’t acting in a way that they should act,” Dr. Chu said. “The American public has to really understand in their core how important this issue is.” (In that case, the Energy Department has a few renegade teens of its own.)///


These geeks are after our freedom. POV, they can be your parents, Nanny Stater. Like all things Left, no respect for the individual.

Blogger said...

Lefty You seem to believe the only reason the aliens are showing up in multitudes is because corrupt corporations lure them here for cheap labor. If that were the only problem, it could be fixed with huge fines and regular work place raids.

I think the reasons they can come so easily is much more insidious–that is, Democrats hoping to build up a large numbers of their types of dependent constituencies with limited education and language abilities.

All countries, including our own, not able to absorb waves of immigrants, are facing serious problems. What happens when there are so many at one time that they refuse to learn the countries’ language? What if they can’t be integrated fast enough so they create ghettos and insist on maintaining the very values that created the dysfunctionality from which they flee? What if they come at you so fast, there is not time to study which values will contribute and which will undermine? Those questions are just for starters.

Liberal POV said...

Blogger

With regard to our differences lets don't forget the fear media, hate media or from your POV truth media.

This industry must get you excited or scared and frightened every day to sell you products and make millions.

Main stream media is bad enough at this and yes we on my side have Michael Moore.

Wealth at the point in history is very similar to the robber barren era.

We see similar problems, but great difference in how to fix he problems.

That non productive sector must be trained , educated, paid a living wage and have health and additional work place benefits.

We need strong unions and we don't need Corporate Royallity Class.

We need a very strong middle class, Union member in the 1950s and 60s gave us a strong middle class.
If we take your road we will become like South American police states with little freedom, very high crime, drugs, kidnaping, huge proverty and revolts.


We do have two models Finland, Norway, Sweden and the other South America .

Lefty said...

Blogger - my point is that sure the problem could be fixed with huge fines on corrupt corporations - but the corporations are calling the political shots behind the scenes. As someone who has been active in the Democratic scene, I assure you the hypothesis you posit is not supported by any evidence that I have seen. I appreciate the immigrants I know because they are warm hard-working family oriented people. The other problems you mention, we have experienced in the past. There used to be a time when "no Irish need apply". There were Italian ghettos, and German ghettos where the old people never did learn English, but the kids always do and their assimilation enriches us all. Many of our prominent scientists, doctors, and business people came from immigrant stock, from parents who were laboring class and spoke no English or broken
English at best.

guy faulkes said...

What POV and Lefty will not admit is that there are currently means to immigrate legally under the rule of law for those that wish to do so. Instead they encourage criminal activity such as that committed by illegal aliens. No one on this blog has ever said a word against legal immigration.

Nobody said...

I echo Guy's comments. This past summer I was at the Outer Banks and was amazed at the fact that practically every person working retail -- the Food Lion, Harris Teeter, Dairy Queen, Beach Shops -- were speaking with a distinctly eastern European accent. I got back and did a little research. Turns out that for the past decade, a large number of Eastern Europeans, especially from Ukraine, were receiving work visas and coming to the Outer Banks in the summer months because there is simply not enough permanent population to handle the tourist crowds. I think this is great. The Europeans come here, work very hard according to what I've read, take part of their money to travel the U.S. for a few weeks and then return home. I wouldn't feel the same way if they broke the law coming in, stayed indefinitely working under the table and placing a burden on our resources and infrastructure.

Lefty said...

It is extremely difficult for Hispanics to get work visas to come to the US. I had several people ask me why this is so when I visited in Latin America. I don't know why it is, does anyone else know?

Blogger said...

Lefty, at any time did we have to swallow 10,000,000 or more in one gulp? Before, there was plenty of time to integrate those who came legally. No one I know is against legal immigration.

Liberal POV said...

Blogger and GOP

Lefty, is correct those from Latin American countries have almost no legal path to the United States.

We do have those that come on contracts to work the high end resorts golf courses and Christmas tree farms.

These are the ones that can be sent back to the hame country for any or no reason. Not many complaints about working conditions, safety, or anything else from that group. This group comes without family and is limited to 9 months per year.

Guy if you or Blogger know a legal path for these people please share it.

Blogger to your point about the numbers. I think if you look at percentages of the current wave compared to the Irish or Italians we are not to that point. Don't we now have 300,000,000 citizens in the USA? What was in in the early 1900s 75-100 million?

If you read the editorials of that period you will certainly here Guy's voice along with Blogger and many other conservatives.

BikerBard said...

Blogger:
I agree! Damn those greedy American soldiers sucking off the government teat! And WE have to pay for them? Damn!

PS: Where do you get that 50/50 percentage you cite? Did you make that up?

Lefty said...

Blogger, In the 1800's we took in over 3 million Irish when the population of the US was about 50 million. That is about .06% if my calculations are right. If we have 10 million Hispanics now, our population is over 300 million, so the percent is about half or .034%.
The point is that people in the US hated and resented the Irish back then. And the Irish helped make this country great. It is a shame that we don't make it possible for the Hispanic workers to be here legally, but whenever immigration reform gets brought up hotheads scream "No amnesty!" and it can't get passed. I believe that this is one of those red herring issues that are used to rile up the base and divert attention from more serious matters. Immigrants are used as scapegoats much as Jews were used when the Nazi party needed a group to blame for all the ills in society.

Anonymous said...

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Karim - Creating Power

guy faulkes said...

The means for Hispanics to immigrate to this country are the same as those for anyone else. The perception that legal immigration is harder for these people is perpetrated because so many have come here illegal. Those that cheat (break the rule of law) usually have a less difficult process than those that follow the rules. That is why they cheat.

I have posted several of the ways to immigrate legally before. I am not going to play the game of answering the same questions over and over.

If you want to change the rule of law to whatever you believe, then do so. I will accept this law as I do the present situation. I will also work to change the law back. Unfortunately for you most people do not agree with you and do agree with me.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

You and others like you will assure nothing will change.

Blogger said...

Lefty, regarding the Irish, thank you for the substantive information. I did not know this. Over what length of time did we have to accomplish this amalgamation?

Liberal POV said...

Blogger keep in mind this wave in NC has been going for at least 35 years.

Blogger said...

Biker Bard I did not make this up, but was at a lecture from a very reputable speaker. I do have the speech on disk but one would have to search through the 10 speeches given during that conference and I don't have the time. So, you will just have to wait until the information becomes common knowledge in the fringe media.

Meanwhile, your point on the military was a cheap shot and you know it. You libs have such difficulty staying with the main point which in this case was 50% taxed to support 50% working for the government. There was not an evaluation of the value of the 50% paid for by taxpayers and even many of the government workers will also be paying taxes, obviously.

Blogger said...

Lefty, I am no expert, but don't we typically allow immigration based on quotas and/or need for specific skills.

Right now we have Americans out of work with the same skills as the aliens.

Sarkazein said...

Lefty-

We took in those immigrants you write of LEGALLY.
They were screened for disease and if their last name was Blakolvocistinivichomalefcowitz, it was changed to Black, so they could blend in better.

What is it not allowing you to discern between LEGAL and ILLEGAL?

Blogger said...

Lefty, wrote; "I appreciate the immigrants I know because they are warm hard-working family oriented people." Lefty,You may be over-romanticizing all of the values coming in. For example, the respect for private property is a core value for us. There are two historical streams in the cultural DNA of Hispanics regarding private property. From the Indian heritage comes the value that property is communal. If you look at the buildings in the early Indian culture, you will note they all open wide and outward. As an aside, you soon learn in Latin America not to admire anything an Indian owns. He is likely to give it to you.

The second stream was the Conquistadors; the plunderers from Europe. Now look at their buildings. They are walled fortresses, usually with barb wire, spikes or broken glass on the outside walls. The windows are barred and the doors mostly open on an inner court where the family gathers. This type of architecture was designed to guard the ill gotten plunder.

Liberal POV said...

Blogger

Lefty wrote: "I appreciate the immigrants I know because they are warm hard-working family oriented people."

Is your own experience different from Lefty's or mine?

I'm not sure I followed your last comment or how it should affect immagration from Latin America?

Liberal POV said...

Sark

What's your negative experience with Hispanics?

guy faulkes said...

Why is POV interested in Sark's or Blogger's experiences with Hispanics? If POV was cognizant of what both these people have said in their posts on this blog, he would realize that they have many times ascertained there are good and bad examples of humanity in any group. Trying to trap them into some kind of erroneous appearance of bigotry is despicable.

Make your arguments on the merits of your case, POV. Please stop with your subterfuge.

Nobody said...

Lib,
You are demonstrating how liberals generally think with their emotions. You're trying to make a logical argument against illegal entry into this country a warm and fuzzy discussion on Hispanic families and people. I'm sure that most Korean, Vietnamese, Kenyans, Ukranians, and so on are basically good people, too. The question isn't whether or not Hispanics should be allowed into this country because they are good people. It is whether or not people should be allowed to enter illegally. Should Hispanics south of our border be granted favoritism due to geography? I'm sure a lot of people from all over the world would love the opportunity to come here, but crossing the ocean to get here is more difficult than slipping across the Mexican border. The attempt to paint conservative posters here as racists is deplorable and an example of the topic of this thread. I simply expect laws to be upheld and enforced by our government. Liberals FEEL that opposition to illegal immigration is racist just as you claim criticism of Obama is racist.

Sarkazein said...

"Sark

What's your negative experience with Hispanics?"-POV

Guy's comment is accurate. But, I will add the following:

Illegal Hispanic immigrants have been flouting our law. Illegal Hispanic/and other immigrants have become a HUGE part of criminal enterprises known as gangs. Illegal Hispanic immigrants believe Texas, New Mexico, California (they can have it), Utah and Arizona should be given back to Mexico so they can f#*% it up like they did the country they are fleeing.

Blogger said...

Lib worte "I'm not sure I followed your last comment"

Oh gee! Why am I not surprised?

My point has always been that I don't know how much alien ideas one culture can take before its own values become undermined.

Of course, you and Hussein Obama don't care about any of this because you all have shown you believe our values are not worth protecting anyway.

Sarkazein said...

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2009/09/huge-la-police-raid-targets-notorious-avenues-gang--2.html

Today some 1200 cops busted the Avenues Street Gang. You have to read to the end of the article to find they are part of the Mexican Mafia, but how many do you think are legal aliens, how many are born to illegal aliens, how many of their off-spring will be gang bangers (rhetorical).

Blogger said...

Lefty, You may be over-romanticizing all of the values coming in. For example, the respect for private property is a core value for us. There are two historical streams in the cultural DNA of Hispanics regarding private property. From the Indian heritage comes the value that property is communal. If you look at the buildings in the early Indian culture, you will note they all open wide and outward. As an aside, you soon learn in Latin America not to admire anything an Indian owns. He is likely to give it to you.

The second stream was the Conquistadors; the plunderers from Europe. Now look at their buildings. They are walled fortresses, usually with barb wire, spikes or broken glass on the outside walls. The windows are barred and the doors mostly open on an inner court where the family gathers. This type of architecture was designed to guard the ill gotten plunder.

Sarkazein said...

Blogger- AMEN! (2:23)

guy faulkes said...

POV, the nationality or race of an illegal alien does not matter. The fact that is of concern is that he is ILLEGAL. When a person knowingly and aggressively breaks one law, the odds are pretty good that he will knowingly and aggressively break another one.

Liberal POV said...

Nobody

Those on the right, Guy Blogger and Sark are over using the word criminal for the undocumented residents of the United States.

The word criminal carries a lot of baggage and should only be used for those with violent behavior like Dick Cheney , Albert Gonzalez or the Gang bangers.

guy faulkes said...

Yeah, POV. Explain away the undocumented residents that murdered Agent Rosas. those that deal drugs, run prostitution rings, form criminal gangs such as M13, etc.

At the same time, explain why those that disagree with you politically are criminals.

You are pathetic.

oatz said...

For the first time, independent voters—who delivered Mr. Obama the White House and Democrats control of the Congress—disapprove of the job he is doing, 46% to the 41% who approve. In July, 49% of independents approved of the president, against 38% who disapproved.

New doubts about the president have coincided with new hopes for Republicans, who appeared flattened by the election nearly a year ago.
As the 2010 election cycle heats up, independent voters now favor Republican control of Congress by four percentage points.

“For a party walloped two cycles in a row with independents, I think those are very important stories,” said Bill McInturff, a partner at the Republican polling firm Public Opinion Strategies, who conducts the Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll with Democratic pollster Peter Hart.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

" Explain away the undocumented residents that murdered Agent Rosas. those that deal drugs, run prostitution rings, form criminal gangs such as M13, etc."

Guy those would be undocumented residents and also criminals.

Lets save the word criminal for those you mention.

guy faulkes said...

POV, thank you for admitting undocumented residents (illegal aliens) are also criminals.

Guy those would be undocumented residents and also criminals. - POV

oatz said...

President Obama’s welfare spending will reach $888 billion in a single fiscal year--2010--more than the Bush administration spent on war in Iraq from the first “shock and awe” attack in 2003 until Bush left office in January.

oatz said...

By 2014, welfare spending is to surpass $1 trillion annually. Another telling statistic is that the "war on poverty" has cost more than all military wars combined, and that's adjusting for inflation. $16 trillion for welfare, $6.5 trillion for all wars starting with the revolutionary war. And welfare is growing faster than any other government program. Forget healthcare reform, we need welfare reform!

Liberal POV said...

Oatz

Keep in mind Republican have been in the executive branch 28 of the last 40 years. During that time the middle class decreased, and the poor got poorer, but the rich got very rich.

guy faulkes said...

POV, you just made a statement. Prove it to me. I am willing to listen as I do not like big government of either the Republican or Democrat variety.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Will this do? If not I will fined more.

http://politics.theatlantic.com/2009/09/closing_the_book_on_the_bush_legacy.php

Sarkazein said...

POV-
If you break in to your own house, you are not a criminal. If you break in to a strangers house, you are. Even if you are a nice guy and the other guy has more stuff than you, you are still a criminal.
The ILLEGALS, sneak by the Border Guards who are risking their lives guarding the border and break into our country ILLEGALLY, making them criminals. Then they do everything they can do to keep from being deported. Everything they do to keep from being deported, is ILLEGAL.
The rest of the stuff in your comment is just the ranting of a demented liberal mind.

Sarkazein said...

Come on Generals and CIA, it's time to change the locks on the White House doors.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0aqMTD5UFmU

Sarkazein said...

BALTIMORE (AP) ― ACORN and two former employees of its Baltimore office filed a multimillion-dollar lawsuit Wednesday against the makers of a hidden-camera video that showed the employees giving tax advice to a man posing as a pimp and a woman posing as a prostitute.///

I guess their former lawyer Obama never warned them about discovery.

Liberal POV said...

Sark and GOP

Should corporations havve more freedom than humans? Free to cross borders to make a profit, excape taxes, cheap labor and enviromental laws but a poor family can't cross the same border to better care for their families.

guy faules said...

POV, You make a statement that the middle class became smaller for 28 of the last 40 years, that the rich became richer, etc. You then reference the Bush2 administration. Both of the Bush administrations were the reason for the base of the Republican party abandoning it. They were big government liberals in conservative's clothing. If you wish to prove your point go back to Carter and provide me data for each year until today.

You once again compare apples to oranges. Corporations did not illegally enter as do the criminal invaders you call undocumented residents.

Sarkazein said...

POV-

You can leave the country legally any time you want,
unless, you are still on probation or parole.
What US corp left the country illegally or entered another illegally? You are really confused.
Let's see, Ford moves to Mexico bringing jobs and industry, Jose sneaks into Houston.

Sarkazein said...

GUY-
If the middle class got smaller, and the rich class got bigger, isn't that a good thing? What are the poor waiting on?

Liberal POV said...

Guy

As much as you would like you can't relable the Bushes as liberals. They are the falure on conservative politics.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

"You once again compare apples to oranges. Corporations did not illegally enter as do the criminal invaders you call undocumented residents."

This you're right on this it's the Corporate golden rule " Those with gold get to make the rules" Or laws in this case.

Morally should corporation have more rights and freedom than individuals?

Again conservatives show their moral compass is broken, Greeed is good mentality.

guy faulkes said...

Sark, point well taken. However, to be fair, I think POV meant that the the rich got richer instead of there being more rich people.

POV's problem is that he does not understand that the conservative ideology allows everyone to better himself if he so desires and is willing to work for it. Any one can become rich. This cannot happen under the nanny state that the far left desires. Only the elite advance. Take Soros for instance. Another example is Al Gore with his manufactured crises of Global Warming that is even now being abandoned by the scientists that supported it. The scam did make Gore more wealthy and allows the government more control of us through cap and trade. The nanny state wants to redistribute wealth from all but the elite leaders to those that keep the leaders in power through entitlement programs. This concept is the new slavery created by the left. Their means to power is encouraging people not to work and produce but to vote themselves bread and circuses by supporting far left liberal politicians.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

More data:

http://liberalforum.org/liberalforum/index.php?/topic/72363-measure-of-america-report-documents-social-decay-of-the-united-states/



http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm

http://www.census.gov/prod/2009pubs/p60-236.pdf

Sarkazein said...

GUY-

The rich go broke also. The bankruptcy courts are full of formerly rich people. There is constant movement in and out of differing financial statuses. Rich people die. Only 33% of second generation businesses survive second generation management. Some liberals (POV) think you are assigned a financial status at birth, and it can never be changed. It changes constantly. A good American wants there to be rich people, a bad American wants there to never be a chance to become rich.
The point is, The Liberal POV is indefensible.

guy faulkes said...

I read POV's sources. They are contradicted by other sources. This is not unusual. The common thread through all of the sources I read was that when the economy is doing well, more people become rich. When the economy does poorly, then there is a tend for people to lose income to the point they go from rich to middle class or middle class to poor. As the economy generally does better under conservatives (not the same thing as Republicans), it would appear the policies of the far left are the reason for slips into poverty. As I said before, it is in the interest of the far left to keep them there.

Sarkazein said...

WASHINGTON (AP) - The IRS says it is severing ties with ACORN, the community activist group involved in a scandal after employees were caught on video giving advice to a couple posing as a prostitute and pimp.
The Internal Revenue Service said Wednesday it would no longer include ACORN in its volunteer tax assistance program. The program offered free tax advice to about 3 million low- and moderate-income tax filers this spring.///

Funny if it weren't so sad.

Anon. said...

My Goodness, what a mean-spirited post. The only purpose of posting this topic is to encourage divisiveness and anger. This country started going downhill when political rhetoric began to consist of attacks and emotional venting instead of thoughtful discussion and cooperation. But I guess it's all about divide and conquer, eh?
Blessed are the peacemakers.....

Blogger said...

Guy wrote: "You then reference the Bush2 administration. Both of the Bush administrations were the reason for the base of the Republican party abandoning it. They were big government liberals in conservative's clothing."

On Good Morning Joe this morning http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/#33000928

Former speech writer Matt Latimore’s tell all book on Bush explains his disenchantment. He says he heard Bush dismiss the conservative movement. Latimore also quoted Bush saying he was "redefining the Republicans" "Bush did not know what Conservatism was," the writer said.

Sarkazein said...

Anon-

Your comment was mean spirited, calling people mean-spirited who don't agree with you. Writing that the only reason for this post was to encourage divisiveness and anger is divisive. Your rhetoric attacking the commenters as not being thoughtful is emotional on your part. And to accuse of "divide and conquer"...my goodness.

guy faulkes said...

I was not aware of the comments made on the Good Morning Joe show. To tell you the truth, I have never heard of this show because I prefer Grimm over MSNBC if I want fairy tales. This does illustrate why I find POV, BB, Lefty, etc. so hilarious when they accuse conservatives of being mindless followers of Rush, Beck, Fox news, talk radio, and the current media outlet with which they presently disagree.

These sources might bring something to our attention as do the fringe (mainstream) media, but we then research the topic in order to find out the truth. The internet and a good search engine such as google have neutered the fringe media in their quest to not only tell us the news, but what to think about it.

Once the people have a source to find out the various sides of an issue, they will discover the truth of the situation (unless they have a political agenda that is a religious fixation).

Blogger said...

Anon wrote: "My Goodness, what a mean-spirited post." Anon are we to assume this was your response to the behavior of those protesters pictured in the original post?

brushfire said...

Sark, Nanny Nanny BooBoo to you too. Blogger - I was talking about your attempt to elicit attacks on Democrats instead of real ideas.

Liberal POV said...

Anonymous

These good people line up everyday to get a fix of anger from the hate industry ( Beck, Rush, Hannity, O'Reilly , Fox News and of course the internet Newsmax) all prepackage by the Heritage foundation and other propaganda from right wing lobby organizations.

In one of the teabagger protest photos is a man on a scooter with a portable oxegen tank both paid for by medicare protesting government health care.

guy faulkes said...

POV, BB, Brushfire, etc.

Our fix is not of anger, but of truth as determined by referencing many sources. Truth is something that is far beyond your pathetic ability to comprehend. You have drunk to much Kool Aid.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Right wing truth or Propaganda is determined by right wing lobby and think tanks like the Heritage Foundation and spread across the internet and of course the hate media.

The lie then becomes truth ( Al Gore invented the internet ) Al Gore never said he invented the internet he said and was the person most responsible for getting government funding that made the internet possible.

McDonald's coffee law suit lie ( Woman spills coffee than gets million in frivolous law suit ). The cup melted and scalded the woman , McDonald's had settled over 100 similar cases out of court.

Corporate media is liberal lie.

guy faulkes said...

Poor POV. Still suffering form the chains of his mental disorder. If something or someone disagrees with his world view, he thinks it is automatically a lie, because as an Obama disciple, he is not capable of being wrong.