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Sunday, September 20, 2009

Press One For English

POSTED BY GUY FAULKES (Not how many have watched it. 12,914,090 so far)

52 comments:

Sarkazein said...

Have you heard the Spanish version yet?

Liberal POV said...

Guy , Know Nothings and Ugly Americans

This goes to the heart of Conservatives being Know Nothings.

The world has changed, we are now like it or not a global world.

There is not a major business, Hospitial or Government agency that doesn't have contact or employees from all parts of the world.

The world is also calling from outside the USA.

All nations are onboard with this new world.

Canada has signs posted in multi languages for decades as with public transportation.

If Republicans cared about our children's future they would be demanding all school children know a second langage before middle school.

This is the area America is being out paced by the rest of the world even third world countries.

Nobody, Blogger both of you should know Guy has this wrong.

Do we not have any Republican school teachers that can speak up?

guy faulkes said...

So POV supports the subjugation of the U.S. to the "world". Now there is a surprise. If you are going to live in this country, learn the language.

A Spanish version might be funny as might a German, Russian, or Chinese version.

Liberal POV said...

Blogger

Undocumented learning the english is not a problem despite what you think you know. Most all know english within a few years and their even faster.

Do you and other conservatives really believe these new residents don't want to learn english as fast as possible?

Once they know english they have more job opportunities, less exploitation, fewer problems adjusting to the new world.

What about American children learning a second language?

Sarkazein said...

In ten years POV will be referring to the " Ugly Worlders "

Sarkazein said...

The new General in Afghanistan has to go public with his demand for more troops as the lazy Obama tours the TV shows and ignores the war.

Truman sacked MacArthur for going pubic, I HOPE this General sacks Obama.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

"Truman sacked MacArthur for going pubic, I HOPE this General sacks Obama."

Is this more Texas history and myths?

Truman fired Mac Arthur because the Koran War was all but won and Mac Arthur bombed the Bridge to China bring in the Chinese costing thousands of lives and the stale mate we have today.

Liberal POV said...

GOP

How many of you think a second langage should be a requirement before middle school for the American educational system?

Sarkazein said...

POV- I would suggest you learn English first.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

Okay, you made your point now the question.

How many of you think a second langage should be a requirement before middle school for the American educational system?

guy faulkes said...

It should not be a requirement. It should be an elective for those that desire a second language. The problem is that there are many more languages than Spanish that one might wish to learn. Personally, I would like to be able to speak German or Japanese.

Nobody said...

Lib,

It already is. I have three kids in the elementary school system here. They're taught Spanish beginning in 1st grade. My question is, why Spanish? What if I want my children to study French, Russian or Chinese? I'm not opposed to anyone learning a second language -- I took a combined four years of French. Can't speak it, because second language learning in the US is just a requirement, not something anyone really wants to do. Talk to any high school student taking Spanish so that they can get accepted into college. They hate it and they're not learning conversational Spanish because they don't think they'll use it. Different scenario for immigrants coming here -- they need to learn conversational English to function. What most conservatives object to is immigrants coming to the country for the opportunity that our economic and political system offers (but you seem to despise) and want the system to change to accommodate them. It goes against the traditional concept of the "Great Melting Pot" where immigrants come here, accept American values and strive to fit in by learning the language. On a side note, I worked on a Christmas tree farm for a few years alongside some immigrant workers who could not speak English. One guy could and translated for the others, but at times it was difficult, so your comment about what I think I know isn't necessarily true because I have experienced it. I also have friends who work in the school system and a significant amount of resources are being devoted to ESL students because of a lack of fluency by immigrant children.

Liberal POV said...

Nobody and Guy

I have said nothing about the second language needing to be Spanish.

Nobody, You're talking High School I'm saying it should be taught in early elementary school.

I would agree with you Christmas Tree farms is where you will find the most none english speaking workers. Those that have been here less than 5 years.

This is a none issue ( New immagrants not wanting to learn English).

I set on a bus in Mexico late one evening next to a high school age young man as we traveled through the night. I was tired after a full day of travel, but the young man wanted to practice his english with me. This is true all over the world except in the United States. Our young people have little desire to learn a second language. In Europe I have met families that within the home five different languages are spoken.

Nobody says "Different scenario for immigrants coming here -- they need to learn conversational English to function."

Neither I nor any of any new resident would disagree with you. Just give them a little time and that will happen. No laws or grand standing is required it will just happen. You conservatives as usual get excited over nothing.

Nobody: "One guy could and translated for the others"

You can bet that worker was making more money.

Nobody: " What most conservatives object to is immigrants coming to the country for the opportunity that our economic and political system offers (but you seem to despise) and want the system to change to accommodate them."

No part of this statement is true.

What you think you know Just ain't so.

Sarkazein said...

POV- It is a State issue, not a federal issue. I am OK with it as an elective as long as it is not Spanish. Spanish should be forbidden.
I would like to be able to speak Korean so I can communicate better with my massage girl.

Nobody said...

Lib,
You have demonstrated, once again, that you are incapable of reading someone else's post. I started my post by telling you that my three children are in ELEMENTARY school and Spanish is being taught there. By the way, you telling me that what I know just isn't so is the height of arrogance. You seem to be so incredibly full of yourself that you believe just because you say it, it becomes truth. This is the one thing that is beyond my comprehension of liberals -- the idea they have that they are in the supreme position to judge every other person and what they may think, believe, feel, what they can do with their own property, how much they can make, how they should raise their kids and on and on...

Liberal POV said...

Nobody

I was responding to this sentence.

" Talk to any high school student taking Spanish so that they can get accepted into college. They hate it and they're not learning conversational Spanish because they don't think they'll use it. "

Nobody: " What most conservatives object to is immigrants coming to the country for the opportunity that our economic and political system offers (but you seem to despise) and want the system to change to accommodate them."

No part of the above statement is true.

We don't need to teach foreign language to accommodate the new immigrants we need to teach foreign language to accommodate the future of American children.

Do you have a problem with your children learning Spanish? I do agree with you more languages should be offered.

guy faulkes said...

POV, I am sorry to have to inform you that you are neither the only person that posts responses in a thread or the most important. The very first post was by Sark who brought up Spanish. I also know that Spanish is pushed in schools because of the huge problem we have with illegal aliens from Mexico in the public school system. These illegals outnumber those from other counties by a huge number.

Wolf's Head said...

I, being of German descent, regret that German isn't the national language.

There has been a rumor, or myth, that apparently the Founders debated making German the official language of the US.

I could see this happening in Pennsylvania at the time, but probably not the Continental Congress.

This might have been a better choice. it would have helped to separate us from England. It would also have eliminated those horrible "German" accents in WWI and WWII movies, and we would all be able to understand the words to the "Horst Wessel".

As Germans are presently the largest ethnic group in the US, I suggest it is not too late to compromise with the lefties who think we should all speak another language, by making German the official language of the US!

But hurry! The hispanics are infiltrating the border at a rate that will make them the largest ethnic group very soon!

If German isn't a go, how about the languiage of my other ancestors, Gaelic?

Sarkazein said...

Wolf's Head-

Plaid lederhosen?

Lefty said...

Why do you all suppose those Hispanics are flooding our borders? It's because there is a huge market for them. Someone is making a fortune off their un-unionized backs. It's classic capitalism in the raw.
Spanish is a beautiful language, by the way. It's your loss if you are too old or scared to learn something new.

Wolf's Head said...

Sark,

Don't knock it 'til you've tried it.

guy faulkes said...

The thought of the Wolf in a kilt and lederhosen boggles the mind. I would rather he hunt deer with a Mauser and skin them with a Scottish dirk. Do you think it would be appropriate to start calling him Herr Highlander?

Sarkazein said...

Lefty-

I have to tell you, the Mexicans are migrating here because their country has made them economic refugees. You are nuts if you think digging a ditch in gumbo clay in 98F heat and 98% humidity is an opportunity to risk your life for. It has nothing to do with the market for them. They are here because they are refugees and they are used by everyone including the government. Just about every liberal I know has an illegal alien maid raising their children.

Los mexicanos no pueden reparar su país dejándolo.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

" Just about every liberal I know has an illegal alien maid raising their children."

Are you saying no conservatives don't have undocumented workers?

Sarkazein said...

"Are you saying no conservatives don't have undocumented workers?"-POV

No yes.

guy faulkes said...

No he did not say that, POV. Why will you not attend those remedial reading classes that you so desperately need? As your posts lately have indicated, remedial writing classes would not be out of line either.

Lefty said...

You must operate in a different crowd from mine. I am from the crowd that works as maids and construction workers. I sure don't have any illegals working for me. Plus, I really don't think that it's nannies that get folks all fired up, do you?
Why do you think immigration reform hasn't gone through in the past 10 years when "conservatives" were in control of the administration? It's because corporations love having a large pool of compliant frightened workers to draw on.

Sarkazein said...

Lefty-

No one has written a good illegal immigration bill yet. The government can't seem to enforce the perfectly good existing law. ACORN needs a large pool of future voters to register.
The lying Obama said he didn't even know ACORN was getting federal money.

Sarkazein said...

Lefty-

You don't mind them competing for your job?

Liberal POV said...

GOP

I agree with lefty "It's because corporations love having a large pool of compliant frightened workers to draw on."

These people use right wing extremist like Guy as the posion pill to kill all reasonable immagration bills.

Just like the expensive health care we keep the status quo of uncontroled immagration decade after decade because Guy want revenge and punishment.

Nobody said...

Lib,
Describe what you would call a "reasonable immigration bill."

Liberal POV said...

Nobody

Let thoses that have been here three years or more with clean criminal records ( No viloent crimes).
Have drivers license and ability to work with a Tax ID number paying Taxes and Social Security after a period of time (7-10 years?) paying taxes and social security they could become citizens with full rights.

Enforcement of hiring those not in this group would carry with large fines.Those without the Tax ID or 30 to 60 day tourist card couldn't drive, rent, obtain power or phone service. Down side of this we would all have to have a national ID for everything. Do we want that?

We would increase the legal number on latin Americans ( Family of those here and non criminal educated )that could come each year.


Training for those new residents would include driving laws, and American legal expectations, Drug laws, DWI, Speeding, credit.

What do you consider reasonable?

guy faulkes said...

"Let thoses (sp) that have been here three years or more with clean criminal records {{Do what?}} ( No viloent(sp) crimes)."

Those that have been here three years do not have clean criminal records. They are ILLEGAL aliens. This means they are criminals. Merely coming into this country illegally should be considered a violent crime in the same manner breaking into an occupied residence is a violent crime. The murder of Agent Rosas proves this.


"Have drivers license and ability to work with a Tax ID number paying Taxes and Social Security after a period of time (7-10 years?) paying taxes and social security they could become citizens with full rights."

The means to become a citizen already exist. They just need to follow current law instead of breaking it. Criminal aliens should not be allowed to become citizens.

"Enforcement of hiring those not in this group would carry with large fines.Those without the Tax ID or 30 to 60 day tourist card couldn't drive, rent, obtain power or phone service. Down side of this we would all have to have a national ID for everything. Do we want that?"

We do not need any more national ID than we already have. A birth certificate would suffice. It is up to the employer to determine that those he hires are legal immigrants. If he is defrauded by false identification, then the criminal that scammed him should be severely punished. Al it would take to clear the employer is a copy of the information given him by the person he hires. Any illegal alien caught scamming the system should be forced to pay for his own incarceration at hard labor. If the employer knowingly hires an illegal alien he should be jailed for five years and fined at least $10,000.00 per illegal employee.

"We would increase the legal number on latin(sp) Americans ( Family of those here and non criminal educated )that could come each year."

I personally do not have a problem with increasing the number of Latin Americans that legally immigrate so long as they do so under the rule of law. Currently one of the factors used in determining whether one can immigrate is the benefit the immigration would have for the country. There is nothing wrong with this criteria. If certain skills are needed, be they programming computers, picking apples, or working in Christmas tree fields, then any of those is a perfectly acceptable reason for allowing people to immigrate LEGALLY.

"Training for those new residents would include driving laws, and American legal expectations, Drug laws, DWI, Speeding, credit."

Legal immigration procedures take care of all these concerns. Borders open to criminal invaders do not.


What do you consider reasonable?

Following the rule of law for legal immigration.

guy faulkes said...

Sorry for the double post. I do not know what happened.

A birther said...

Guy said: We do not need any more national ID than we already have. A birth certificate would suffice.

Yes, but suppose like Obama, you don't have a birth certificate or don't want to show it?

Liberal POV said...

Nobody

See the problem and what I mean by Guy being the posion pill to kill any reasonable discussion.

What would your answer be? Lets face reality we are not going deport 12 to 20 million residents that are now part of the American fabric.

Guy will have a lot of pissing and moaning to do but more of those here are here to stay.

Sarkazein said...

"..are not going deport 12 to 20 million residents that are now part of the American fabric."-POV

But, somehow, we can house, cloth, educate, feed, insure them. Such nonsense you write POV.
We can do all of that, but can't give them a free ride to the border.

Lefty said...

Sark - I am not afraid of the competition. I see them as the answer to my social security concerns. If all those Hispanics - primarily young folks - are paying into social security, it will be there for me when I need it.
But it would be better if they had opportunities in their own country. I would like to see some cooperation between the US and Mexico to invest in sustainable development projects that would provide jobs for them in their hometowns.

guy faulkes said...

POV, I provided you with reasonable discussion. You just refuse to engage in it. Your reference to any opinion other than your own as poison is typical. I addressed each of your points. You apparently cannot defend them.

I hate to admit that you continue to amuse me because one should not laugh those that are handicapped by being unable to understand simple logic. One should pity them.

Sarkazein said...

"...them as the answer to my social security concerns. If all those Hispanics - primarily young folks - are paying into social security, it will be there for me when I need it."-POV


Work all your life, have 15% (including what your employer pays) put in a fund that you may or may not get unless you reach 65, and be happy with your earnings being driven down for decades by illegal immigrants. Don't you think you could do better with your 15%? Don't you think you could make a higher wage if the illegal immigrants were not there to compete?
Liberals are like the people giving change to the winos on the street. They get just enough money to keep doing what they are doing. Cruel.

Nobody said...

Lib,

This may come as a surprise to you, but I am big on rule of law as well. When you say that we cannot deport 12-20 million illegals, what you're really saying is that if enough people break the law, we'll just stop enforcing it. One thing that is glaringly missing from your reasonable immigration bill is a limit to immigrants. Guy is right in saying that there are current laws and means to become a legal alien or citizen. It's all handled through Immigration and Naturalization Services and what even the government is willing to concede is that we CANNOT handle unlimited immigration. We currently allow somewhere around 650,000 immigrants into the country each year (an immigrant being defined as a person who comes permanently to the US to become a citizen -- different from other aliens who are here temporarily). You kind of remind me of a liberal I used to debate in college -- he took a rather radical view. He supported the idea that we should just throw open our borders and let anyone who wants to come here to enter. I asked if he didn't think the country would be flooded with immigrants. He stated, no, because in conjunction with open borders the US government should so expand foreign aid as to improve the rest of the world to the point no one would have a reason for wanting to come here!

Liberal POV said...

Guy, Sark, Blogger

Link me a quote from a current Republican US Senator that wants to deport 10,000,000 undocumented residents? You got any thing close?

My statement stands.

" Lets face reality we are not going deport 12 to 20 million residents that are now part of the American fabric.

Guy will have a lot of pissing and moaning to do but most of those are here to stay."

Liberal POV said...

Nobody

" One thing that is glaringly missing from your reasonable immigration bill is a limit to immigrants."


I think it should be limited and put that in my responce. I do agree we do need something inforceable.
My answer was:
We would increase the legal number on latin Americans ( Family of those here and non criminal educated )that could come each year.

guy faulkes said...

POV, it is cheaper to deport illegal aliens than to let them stay. There will always be those that wish to exploit these people (such as you). These are the moral criminals. Do not bother to deny the charge. If you do not personally exploit illegal aliens, you aid and abet those that do by encouraging immigration laws being broken.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

My statement stands.

Link me a quote from a current Republican US Senator that wants to deport 10,000,000 undocumented residents? You got any thing close?


" Lets face reality we are not going deport 12 to 20 million residents that are now part of the American fabric.

Your position assures you a political miniority status.

Guy will have a lot of pissing and moaning to do but most of those are here to stay."

guy faulkes said...

POV

We will see after 2010.

Who cares what a liberal Republican says? For instance McCain sponsored an amnesty bill that was defeated by the citizens of the U.S.

I see you have no rebuttal to make.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

"Link me a quote from a current Republican US Senator that wants to deport 10,000,000 undocumented residents? You got any thing close?"

guy faulkes said...

POV, you might want to reesearch the SAVE ACT and Senators Jeff Sessions and Lamar Alexander. The save act would "expedite the deportation process by increasing detention capacity and the number of immigration judges."

Get off your lazy butt and do your own research. OOPS! I forgot. You do not do research because facts tend to hurt your cause. I know, I know. You do not believe the site linked below is reputable because it does not agree with you. Big Surprise. Most of your kind do not even believe the Bible.

http://www.numbersusa.com/content/news/august-6-2009/sens-jeff-sessions-and-lamar-alexander-cosponsor-save-act.html

Blogger said...

guy faulkes said... POV, you need to get over your fixation on Republicans. Those on the left are even worse than leftist Democrats because they stab the moderates and conservatives in the back. Others agree with this.
Glenn Beck

Blogger said...

Guy, It is estimated that 4,000,000 Republicans sat out the last election for the very reason Beck and you say.

I expect they will be back in 2010 along with a lot of independents and democrats suffering from buyers remorse.

Blogger said...

Lefty, wrote on another thread "I appreciate the immigrants I know because they are warm hard-working family oriented people." Lefty,You may be over-romanticizing all of the values coming in. For example, the respect for private property is a core value for us. There are two historical streams in the cultural DNA of Hispanics regarding private property. From the Indian heritage comes the value that property is communal. If you look at the buildings in the early Indian culture, you will note they all open wide and outward. As an aside, you soon learn in Latin America not to admire anything an Indian owns. He is likely to give it to you.

The second stream in their cultural DNA was the Conquistadors; the plunderers from Europe. Now look at their buildings. They are walled fortresses, usually with barb wire, spikes or broken glass on the outside walls. The windows are barred and the doors mostly open on an inner court where the family gathers. This type of architecture was designed to guard the ill gotten plunder.

Blogger said...

There are other values, which others may want to discuss such as machismo. There is also a language which is a romance language suited to the age of Romance. English is a technological language suited to modern technology, and for that reason alone is worth everyone learning.