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Thursday, September 24, 2009

Tim Hawkins - The Government Can

39 comments:

Liberal POV said...

Blogger

Let me be the first to say Silly.

guy faulkes said...

This is a great video! It should win an award. To top it off, it is completely accurate and relevant as it carries the POV seal of silliness. It could have no better endorsement.

Sarkazein said...

WASHINGTON -- A tiny car company backed by former Vice President Al Gore has just gotten a $529 million U.S. government loan to help build a hybrid sports car in Finland that will sell for about $89,000.///


$89,000 cars, built with US tax money, built not by the unemployed Americans, for the rich. This is economic sabotage. Obama is a saboteur.

Sarkazein said...

$4500 each of American tax dollars going to foreign car manufacturers in the Cash for Clunkers fiasco as they got the majority of the loot. It is purposeful economic sabotage by Obama.

Liberal POV said...

Sark and Anger Addicts

" Obama is a saboteur."

You really want to be taken seriously? Silly silly silly and more silly.

What did Barney Frank say " Like having a conversation with a dining room table."

Sarkazein said...

POV-

What do you call overseeing these political pay-offs with my tax money. I am giving Obama the benefit of the doubt.
Gore and Soros announce their support in electing Obama, they both are tied to HUGE government dollars as a reward for their support. With the country in it's current finacial woes, it can only be called sabotage...unless you want to defend him by saying he is just ignorant. I say it is both.

Sarkazein said...

Send money to Gore's, Soros's and who knows who elses' deep pockets and foreigners while there is a 52% UNEMPLOYMENT here...economic sabotage, plain and simple.



The dead end kids
Young, unemployed and facing tough future
By RICHARD WILNER
Last Updated: 4:45 AM, September 27, 2009
Posted: 1:34 AM, September 27, 2009
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The unemployment rate for young Americans has exploded to 52.2 percent -- a post-World War II high, according to the Labor Dept. -- meaning millions of Americans are staring at the likelihood that their lifetime earning potential will be diminished and, combined with the predicted slow economic recovery, their transition into productive members of society could be put on hold for an extended period of time.

And worse, without a clear economic recovery plan aimed at creating entry-level jobs, the odds of many of these young adults -- aged 16 to 24, excluding students -- getting a job and moving out of their parents' houses are long. Young workers have been among the hardest hit during the current recession -- in which a total of 9.5 million jobs have been lost.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

My statement stands.

You really want to be taken seriously? Silly silly silly and more silly.

Sarkazein said...

POV-

Of course it does.

Blogger said...

Lib because you seem to be all over the blog today, I will use this post to send you something you are always asking about.
In the Zogby International/O'Leary Report survey of more than 4,420 likely voters covered under Medicare, Medicaid, or Tricare — which provides health benefits to military personnel, retirees, and their families — a full 44 percent said they strongly oppose a single-payer system, and 10 percent somewhat oppose it. (total 54 percent)

And half of respondents said they agree with the statement: "Expanding government's role in healthcare will do more harm than good."

Liberal POV said...

Blogger

How am I to make sense of that? These people have the Health Care benefit they don't want to see anyone else get?

If these same folks get to heaven ahead of the rest of us are they going start pulling up the ladder?

That would be the old fart on the shooter with a portable oxygen tank both paid for by medicare protesting others having access to government supporter health care at a tea party. What enough money and propaganda can do?
Tell me does your religion support such actions? If so I want no part of it.

What assholes!

guy faulkes said...

POV, what twisted logic would make you suppose that people which receive Medicare and Medicaid would support Obamacare when he is going to cut funds from those institutions?

You are a fine one to talk about assholes when you have to go to a proctologist to have your eyes checked.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

How difficult is it for you to get your head around a government that should be responsible for caring for any sick resident within the borders of that country like Canada , Japan, UK, all developed nations on earth except the United States.

If a family choose to treat only some of the children when they got sick or injured what we say of the parents of that family?

No matter how much money you have do you want to board a plane or city bus with 40% with no access to health care?

Medicare coverage will remain the same 100% with the sulplement plan.
How is that a decrease in coverage?

Sarkazein said...

"If a family choose to treat only some of the children when they got sick or injured what we say of the parents of that family?"-POV

There is that absolutely grotesque analogy of the government being the parent. The Nanny. POV, you shouldn't be aloud to vote or consume alcohol. You are a mental child as are many liberals. I as an ADULT, A MAN, don't want to be any part of your political philosophy. What part of your life do you think kept you from maturing in to a responsible ADULT MAN?

guy faulkes said...

POV, you are apparently unable to understand that the government can not and should not be able to do anything without the approval of it's citizens. The government is not a parental unit. It is an entity comprised of people that work for us, the citizens. Currently many of these employees need to be fired.

Health care can and will be reformed. Tort reform is needed but is opposed by many of our employees. One should be able to buy insurance across state lines to increase competition, improve service, and lower prices. This is also opposed by many of our liberal employees. The manner in which many medicines are distributed needs to be reformed. Again this is opposed by our employees. We need to fire these employees and replace them with some that will listen to the will of the people. The last thing we need is health care run by idiots that feel they are public masters instead of public servants.

POV, you are indeed something to behold. You want a nanny state to provide for you because you are to weak or cowardly to provide for yourself. You support terrorists because you are afraid a potentially nonviolent illegal alien would be inconvenienced by enforcing the rule of law. You will not realize that if this person was not engaged in an illegal activity, there would be no problem. Because you cannot or do not want to stand on your own feet you want the rest of us to support you. If any disagree with you, then you say they are evil, sill, or stupid while never thinking about the manner in which you appear to them. I really and truly do pity you. You need professional help.

Liberal POV said...

Guy
You and conservatives want to pay more to get less when it comes to health care?

That's silly, stupid, and evil.

guy faulkes said...

I rest my case as to POV's need of professional help. His last post is not related to anything.

Gregg said...

I may as well pile on. Lib, when I came to this blog and first engaged you after dealing with Rich-n-White and Shyster, Guy Faulkes posted to explain you to me. In a weird kind of way he defended you, I've since seen him attempt the same thing with new commenters who needed the perspective required. I feel certain that Guy Faulkes does not use terms like "traitorous scum" or "terrorist" gratuitously. For me, I can't think of any time I've ever told someone that they were a vile person as I did you. There has even been a thread devoted to why you think you are convincing. I continue to be amazed at how easy it is for you to be so very vicious completely without merit or explanation. Just hate.

Sarkazein said...

POVVY-

Now, if someone is against Obama care they are "evil".
If you are against Obama-care you are evil, racist, silly, and stupid. Weeks of practice and teaching and POVVY can now spell "stupid".

Sarkazein said...

A video showing ACORN's, community organizer Obama's, 40+ years of welfare's great success in Chicago:

http://www.myfoxchicago.com/dpp/news/metro/video_derrion_albert

guy faulkes said...

Gregg, POV provides an very valuable function on this blog. His illogical but determined arguments in support of his mistaken ideas provide the rest of us with a sounding board. One cannot be a protagonist without an antagonist.

We do not ever want to degenerate to the point of Watauga Watch. That site only wants to agree with each other and complement themselves on their opinions. They cannot tolerate what we welcome. Honest debate backed up with logic and facts is fatal to their intellectually self abusive comfort factor.

While POV certainly frustrates me with his refusal to even try to comprehend things and his typical liberal tactics of changed the subject and make personal attacks, he has a right to express his opinion and spurs the exchange of valuable information on this site. How many times have you learned something when another blogger is proving POV to be wrong. (This is not to say we do not have very interesting discussions without him. I really enjoyed the debate over the role of the military with some of our libertarian members.)

I guess you could accuse me of personally attacking POV by calling him a terrorist except I really believe that by supporting terrorism, he is one.

To bring this long winded ramble to an end, if we did not have POV, we would have to invent him. My friend the Wolf is still partially convinced that the Blogger is really POV in order to stimulate conversation.

Liberal POV said...

GOP, Gregg, Blogger, Sark, Guy

I felt compelled to use the word evil because Guy had used it in his post.

Regarding health care I do think you can NOT morally defend our current American Health care system that leaves out 43 million Americans and bankrupts millions of Americans each year.

Our current system puts profit and CEO income as priority number one and American health as priority number two.

For those who receive Medicare to become activist in preventing others from similar coverage is indefensible.

Those covered under medicare will continue to receive 100% of their medical cost paid by the government plan of Medicare if and most do have the modestly priced Medicare supplement.

This is not new rocket science similar programs all over the world get best results with single payer government supported universal health care at much lower cost to everyone. The USA is 38th in world health care.

Why do you want to pay more for less?

Sarkazein said...

"...morally defend our current American Health care system that leaves out 43 million Americans..."-POVVY


You lie!

Sarkazein said...

POVVY-

When you lie like that, you have to go to your room and wait for your block captain to get home. Only the Leaders are allowed to lie.

Liberal POV said...

GOP

We have Sark's thoughtful response.

guy faulkes said...

POV, do you not understand Sark is making fun of you bey using your methods.

Certainly I can morally defend our health care system. It is the envy of the world.

Your numbers are wrong. Even your Messiah now claims there to be only about 30 million uninsured. (He dropped illegal aliens but under valued the number.) You might get excommunicated. Of course the real number is somewhere about 8.2 million after excluding illegal aliens, those that qualify under present plans but do not want insurance and those that can afford insurance but choose not to purchase it.

I believe you should not hide your light under a bushel by not taking credit for your statements. Calling the opinions of those with whom you disagree stupit (stupid), silly, or evil is your trademark. I merely referred to it.

guy faulkes said...

I am getting as bad as POV : by not bey.

Blogger said...

Guy wrote: "POV provides a very valuable function on this blog" Well put, and don't forget he reminds us daily about how desperately our fellow citizens need us to save them from the libs.

Gregg said...

Guy,

I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments about POV. I in no way would want to censor him (I realize that you weren't implying that I do). He is the perfect antagonist because, to me, he illustrates everything that is wrong with this country.

It would be nice, however, to have a more substantive debate. I do believe that there are areas where liberals can make a positive contribution but not without mutual (and earned) respect.

I love the Libertarian philosophy...on paper. It has long been my belief that technological advances are on an unstoppable collision course with morality. This is so in many areas.

There was a day when if you wanted to commit mass murder then the best you could do is throw rocks. Technology has changed that. We rightfully worry about rogue nations and nukes but how long can we suppress the technology? 10 years? 50? 200? Eventually the technology will exist where one person will be able to destroy the world. The oceans used to protect us. After 9/11 that's no longer true. The isolationist Libertarian view, which many Republicans subscribe to, is no longer applicable. If we allow brutal dictators to oppress women and impose their twisted kind of religion on the population a half a world away then we are no longer safe like we used to be.

Another area is medicine. Remember the bionic man? We're here. Prosthetics, cochlear implants, artificial hearts, knee replacements are just a few examples. At some point (50,100 or 500 years from now) we will be able to keep someone alive virtually indefinitely. If that technology existed would it be moral to do so? IMHO no. For this reason we need to at some point grapple with how to deal with that. The "Death Panel" idea (liberal concept) is a worthwhile discussion. NOT GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED!!! Terry Schivo, no matter which side you fall on, was made worse by our not being able to confront the morality/technology collision. Those like her simply died 50 years ago. If she had to die (I'm not saying she did) she did not have to die of thirst after days of agonizing.

There are real reasons for health care reform. We are a compassionate and wealthy (well, used to be) nation. Again, don't get me wrong, I do not want socialized health care is any form. The fact remains that the debate is being driven by Democrats.

Well, I didn't mean to go off on a tangent but I really would like to have some thoughtful, civil and knowledgeable liberals engaging in serious honest debate. I don't care how cherished any belief I have is, if I am shown to be wrong then I will change it...but you've got to bring it. LiberalPOV does not.

guy faulkes said...

Gregg, you bring up an interesting theoretical question. I would not want to live forever, but some people might. I personally believe a better time is coming.

If we reach the point that we can substantially live forever, at what point does the state have the right to kill us? Will overpopulation make that a concern? I have read several science fiction books that treat this issue in different ways.

Gregg said...

Guy,

I don't believe that the State should ever have the right to kill us but who knows what will be. My point is that day is coming and we can't stop it. The technology will require us to confront morality.

Kurt Vonnegut Jr. wrote a book, I think it was "Welcome to the Monkey House" but I'm not sure. I read them all but it was a long time ago. In the book, suicide was honorable. It was facilitated humanely and voluntarily. It was quite an interesting concept. Of course it was set way in the future.

As I understand it, suicide is illegal. I do think it should be legal for those who don't have religious conflicts. This will become more important as technology lengthens life expectancy. Jack Kevorkian was a wacko but he did raise an important issue.

I've heard credible reports that 300 year lives are not that far off with gene therapy. I say "credible" but that's just because it souded logical to me but I'm not a doctor. If we could live 300 years would that change the perspective on the other end of life i.e. abortion or population control? If the birth rate stayed the same and life expectancy quadrupled would the "State" be obligated to act? I'm leaving aside the religious implications because at that point we are playing God anyway. Or is this his design? We don't know but the genie is out of the bottle with cloning and the rest of it. We can pass all the laws we want but it will not stop medical advances.

Ooohh boy, I'm off in the weeds now. Sorry Blogger.

Sarkazein said...

HOW dense can liberals be?????

By Matthew Bandyk – Fri Sep 25, 2:33 pm ET
In the battle to pass some form of healthcare reform, small business is a major player. Earlier this year, Congress proposed reform bills that would put in place heavy fines on businesses that fail to provide healthcare for their employees, with the exception of those that have just a few employees. Small-business political associations in Washington quickly denounced these provisions as too burdensome for too many businesses.///

Jail always follows UNPAID fines. Small business will be afraid to have more than a few employees. HOW can this help with unemployment at 52% for the youngest job seekers? Can you imagine sitting in jail because you did not cooperate with Obama-care? You talk about political prisoners... REVOLUTION.

Blogger said...

Gregg said: "Ooohh boy, I'm off in the weeds now. Sorry Blogger."

No way, I would say you are hitting them right onto the green!

Sarkazein said...

Looking to prevent your home from becoming a tagger's canvas? The city of LA has a plan that asks homeowners to pitch in or pay -- whether they want to or not.
All new buildings in Los Angeles -- including homes -- must have anti-graffiti coating under an ordinance approved unanimously by the City Council on Tuesday. Homes in the tagThere is an exception if the owners promise to remove any graffiti on their property soon after it appears.
The ordinance will take effect 30 days after being signed by the mayor.
The anti-graffiti coating must cover the walls and doors from the ground to a height of at least nine feet. The coating is mandated on all buildings, unless owners sign a "Covenant and Agreement Regarding Maintenance of Building (Graffiti Removal)" with the Los Angeles Department of Building and Safety.
That contract would require owners to remove any graffiti on their buildings within seven days of the graffiti being applied, or within 72 hours of being notified by the department.
Failure to abide by the contract could result in a $550 fine.///

This is a news article from LA. This is just too unbelievable. Government mandates are killing this country right in front of our eyes. If you don't pay your $550 fine... jail. The ignorant bastards are letting 40000 inmates out now because they have blown their budget. How much does it cost the property owner to have the coating applied? Some are barely making mortgage payments. Liberalism is SICK!

Sarkazein said...

GM shutting down Saturn... great job Obama.
More unemployed join the ranks.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

"GM shutting down Saturn... great job Obama.
More unemployed join the ranks."

What Obama decision do you think caused this?

GM itself is not shutting down as it would without the bailout which you opposed.

Sarkazein said...

Povvy-

It is Obama's GM. It is known as Government Motors now. If an opportunity was lost in selling an asset to offset a part of a liability by the Obama appointed CEO, on the decision of the college boy in the foreign car who had NO automobile manufacturing experience in Obama's, administration, then it is Obama's doing. (or undoing however you want to look at it).

13,000 EMPLOYEES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sarkazein said...

Povvy-

I am surprised you are at the computer today. You should be out celebrating the anniversary of Mao's victory.

Sarkazein said...

Povvy-

Under your definition of leadership, if some plant managers are found to be molesting female/or male employees and or smacking them around, it is Obama's fault, no matter what is done to the plant managers.