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Thursday, October 29, 2009

Nobel Peace Prize

102 comments:

rove said...

Did you think Bush should have won instead?

Liberal POV said...

GOP ( Grumpy Old People ) Hate Junkies, Fear media groupies, Know Nothings

This is a nice crowd Obama is hanging out with. Full list at http://almaz.com/nobel/peace/

2009 - Barack Obama
2007 - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Al Gore
2005 - International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed ElBaradei
2002 - Jimmy Carter
2001 - United Nations, Kofi Annan
1999 - Médecins Sans Frontières
1997 - International Campaign to Ban Landmines, Jody Williams
1994 - Yasser Arafat, Shimon Peres, Yitzhak Rabin
1993 - Nelson Mandela, F.W. de Klerk
1990 - Mikhail Gorbachev
1990 - Mikhail Gorbachev
1979 - Mother Teresa
1978 - Anwar al-Sadat, Menachem Begin
1977 - Amnesty International
1973 - Henry Kissinger, Le Duc Tho
1965 - United Nations Children's Fund
1964 - Martin Luther King Jr.
1963 - International Committee of the Red Cross, League of Red Cross Societies
1953 - George C. Marshall
1952 - Albert Schweitzer
1944 - International Committee of the Red Cross
1919 - Woodrow Wilson
1906 - Theodore Roosevelt
1904 - Institute of International Law

Liberal POV said...

Grumpy Old People

The sour grapes makes you look silly and petty.
Try eating some prunes it may improve your out look on life.

Sarkazein said...

At least with the Cracker Jacks, you get something for your money.

guy faulkes said...

POV, you forgot Ayers, Wright, Jones,the rest of his tax cheap cabinet and czars..... You know, the people with which he really hangs out. I do give you credit for mentioning Carter, the worst President in U.S. history (until now) and the scam artist Al Gore.

Try to use some logic and at least present an argument that is defensible. Obma does not deserve to be on that list. Of course, in his defense, others on the list do not deserve to be there either.

Blogger, I must take issue with you. You have no reason to degrade Cracker Jacks with any connection to Obama. After all, one deserves the prize he gets in the box because he purchased it. Obama may have purchased his Nobel Peace Prize, but I find it more likely it was given as a bribe. Maybe he will earn it after all as he is putting foreign interests ahead of those of this country. Hence the magical apology tours.

Rove: No, Bush should not have won it. He was not nearly aggressive enough in the war on terror. Are you, by any chance, D.Webster?

Sarkazein said...

The whole story is told by Arafat getting a NPP.
The award process went down to hell after 1989.
POV skips several years in his award list.

Arafat was responsible for the terrorist murders of the Israeli athletes and others. THAT is a life sentence with NO earthly redemption, thus making the NPP a hoax by ultra-Leftists. Anyone with any moral conviction would denounce the "Prize".

Blogger said...

Guy wrote: You have no reason to degrade Cracker Jacks

Point taken.

guy faulkes said...

Off topic, but worthy of discussion. A 15 year old girl was gang raped at a school dance. Several blogs have indicated those responsible were Hispanic. This would by no means indicate these people were illegal aliens, but as my friends in federal and state law enforcement have told me they are prohibited from releasing this kind of information, I have to wonder, especially considering this link:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=51424

This is one more reason why illegal aliens (undocumented workers) should be deported.

Reader said...

I saw a puzzle the other day with Nobel Peace Prize inside stamped on it too. It was a "57 states" puzzle no doubt.

Liberal POV said...

Guy, Hate junkies,GOP and Know Nothings

Obama deserves the Nobel Peace Prize because he has turned the page on the war mongering and human rights abuse of the shameful Bush Cheney Admin.
Obama has created a new chapter in world cooperation and diplomacy.

guy faulkes said...

Obama has created a new chapter in world cooperation and diplomacy. It is called the destruction of the sovereignty of United States and its conversion to socialism.

The [liberal big government Bush] was shameful. As with the [liberal big government McCain] / Palin ticket, the Bush / Cheney ticket had the wrong person as the head of the ticket. If Bush and McCain were not on their respective tickets at all, the country would have been better off under Cheney and Palin. Palin could have defeated Obama. She will get to do so in 2012 if she decides to run.

She has vast influence already. The death panels comments and her endorsement of the Conservative over the "Republican" were echoed by influential members of the conservative branch of the Republican party. The liberal branch of the Republican party is going to learn from this race that they are not going to be able to win a race with a liberal Democrat wanabe in Republican clothes.

oatz said...

Liberal POV the media reports on the audacity of pork?

The Daily Mail reported:

That’s for three private jets, two helicopter rides, extra planes for security and closing roads for motorcade

It was a campaign pledge that Barack Obama didn’t dare break – a promise to take his wife out for dinner and a show once the election was over.

So on the weekend he booked a babysitter, asked Michelle to put on a little black dress and swept her off for a date…

The romantic jaunt is estimated to have cost the taxpayer more than £45,000 in transport and security costs – because the date was in New York.

The President used three planes, one to carry the couple and two to ferry aides and reporters all the way from Washington.
The cost of each flight was thought to be nearly £15,000.

The bill was pushed even higher with the use of two helicopters, one to take the Obamas to catch their plane in Washington and another to zip the party into Manhattan from JFK airport.

And, it seems like it was just yesterday that Barack Obama was telling us that everyone was going to have to sacrifice for the greater good.
Well… Some of us have to sacrifice anyway.

Sarkazein said...

Guy Faulkes-

One way the better media outlets get around the illegal alien thing is by identifying the perp as a "Mexican national or Columbian national".

From the picture on your link... illegal alien, either 1st generation or born to illegal aliens (same thing), no question. His first punishment, before they execute him, is tattoo removal with a pencil eraser or sand paper.

Wolf's Head said...

Anonymous Liberal POV said...

" Guy, Hate junkies,GOP and Know nothings

Obama deserves the Nobel Peace Prize because he has turned the page on the war mongering and human rights abuse of the shameful Bush Cheney Admin.
Obama has created a new chapter in world cooperation and diplomacy.

October 29, 2009 4:04 PM"

Surely to God even LPOV can't believe the crap she writes!

Maybe she should go to Pakistan and ask the villagers about how they like Obama bombing their villages by drone aircraft and killing their families.

I bet they think he's a swell guy....

BikerBard said...

Hey Wolfie!

Ask the Iraq people what they think of George Bush.

Now Reread this list.

2009 - Barack Obama
2007 - Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, Al Gore
2005 - International Atomic Energy Agency, Mohamed ElBaradei
2002 - Jimmy Carter
2001 - United Nations, Kofi Annan
1999 - Médecins Sans Frontières
1997 - International Campaign to Ban Landmines, Jody Williams
1994 - Yasser Arafat, Shimon Peres, Yitzhak Rabin
1993 - Nelson Mandela, F.W. de Klerk
1990 - Mikhail Gorbachev
1990 - Mikhail Gorbachev
1979 - Mother Teresa
1978 - Anwar al-Sadat, Menachem Begin
1977 - Amnesty International
1973 - Henry Kissinger, Le Duc Tho
1965 - United Nations Children's Fund
1964 - Martin Luther King Jr.
1963 - International Committee of the Red Cross, League of Red Cross Societies
1953 - George C. Marshall
1952 - Albert Schweitzer
1944 - International Committee of the Red Cross
1919 - Woodrow Wilson
1906 - Theodore Roosevelt
1904 - Institute of International Law

This is not a group which would welcome Bush/Cheney/Rove, who started an unnecessary war, killed innocents, and tortured the captured.

You Tea Party queens are such a jealous lot, and losing members by the minute.

Sarkazein said...

"You Tea Party queens..."-BB


Now that's funny.

Sarkazein said...

Obama is over there in Darfur solving that problem peacefully also.

Sarkazein said...

Words, just words...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEd583-fA8M

Sarkazein said...

In Obama's peaceful Darfur Proclamation, he promises force, followed up by sanctions. Yet, the rapes and murders in Darfur continue while Obama travels, dates in NYC, hosts bands at the WH, golfs....what a guy.
What a liar.

Liberal POV said...

Qatz

I think its wonderful that we have a leader who can go to New Yory City and be welcomed with open arms and friendly citizens.

Bush was met with scorn all over the world, Obama has world respect except from hate media junkies and know nothings.

Do you folks ever get tired on living in fear and hate?

guy faulkes said...

Ask the Iraq people what they think of George Bush. - BB

I saw several being interviewed on TV a week or two ago. The majority were happy he U.S. had come to their aid. I believe it was on CNN. Not all of the people of Iraq support terrorism as do POV and BB.

Obama has world respect except from hate media junkies and know nothings. - POV

POV needs edit his post to read truth media junkies and people striving to obtain the facts. Obama does not have world respect as people all over the world consider him weak and ineffective. They do use him at their own convenience somewhat as they do their toilets. He is useful to them as he wants to destroy the U.S. economy, and sovereignty in order to achieve his socialist dreams.

The more that POV and BB post this list and I see the people on it that do not deserve to be there (some of them terrorists thereby explaining their adulation), the more I realize the prize from a box of Cracker Jacks is much more meaningful. It is not really a bad thing to be on a list many of this group would not welcome. As a matter of fact, it would be a honor. This being said in spite of my opinion that Bush was a big government supporting joke. At least he defended this country, even though he was not nearly as aggressive as he should have been.

My congratulations to BB. This is the most coherent post he has ever made. It is incorrect, but was coherent. Of course, he copied most of it from POV.

BB, what are you using for a source that the Tea Parties members are losing numbers? News stories indicate the opposite as does Obama's falling ratings as per every reputable, scientific poll.

BikerBard said...

Guy Faux ("The Tea Party Princess" - not mature enough to be dubbed a "Queen"):
It's been a year, now. So let's take a trip down "Memory Lane." When it's over, ask someone with some brains (no one on this site)what they think. Maybe this clown just needs a teleprompter? In any event, enjoy ladies! (You, too, Oatz. You perfected the "Cut, Paste & Run" technique.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEbZqvMu2cQ

Simon Jester said...

BikerBard said...

Guy Faux ("The Tea Party Princess" - not mature enough to be dubbed a "Queen"): ... In any event, enjoy ladies!

You Tea Party queens..."-BB

This is why a lot of people on Watauga Watch think BikerBard is gay.

guy faulkes said...

BB, your link is to a video clip about Bush. While I did not like Bush as he was a proponent of liberal big government policies that abandoned his conservative base, I do not see how a negatively biased video about him is relative to the discussion. You liberals are someday going to have to understand Bush is no longer in office. I never thought I would say this about anyone, but you make more sense when you copy your posts from POV.

If you truly think we have no brains on this site, that is an excellent indication we are on the right track. Thank you for the vote of confidence and for your effort to actually discuss something for a change.

Sarkazein said...

Simon Jester-

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Sarkazein said...

BB- you are right, President Bush should have used a uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh-uh- teleprompter.
I only watched the opener of the video... the first two were addresses in a formal setting,,,President Bush's was an informal setting as comparison.
Liberals can't be honest if their lives' depended on it.

Someone puts up a video of Obama in a bold faced lie, and the liberals answer it with a weak video like that.
SAD

Liberal POV said...

BikerBard

Nice reality check for the GOP ( Grump Old People ) and Hate Junkies.

Sarkazein said...

POV-

Does anything good come with your old "grumpy old people" mantra? Can you sit down at the piano and play music after only hearing it once, or can you look at a box of spilled toothpicks and give the exact number, or can you memorize a phone book after scanning it....anything? Do you have an episode if you are not sitting down at the TV for a certain show every day?

oatz said...

Liberal POV & BikerBard still name calling when faced with the truth?

How about this video..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHkAFyH0b-I

$4 Trillion dollars later are we better off? Unemployment 9.9% ( record highs), Oil prices rising( due to weak Obama economic policies devaluing the dollar), Troops being killed in record numbers( listed on the back pages of newspapers unlike the front page headlines during Bush years), and BTW is Gitmo closed ? Name one Obama campaign promise he has kept?

I love the fact that Obama has played more golf, took more vacations, and partied more in 9 months than Bush did in his first 4 years in office( Cnn report Liberal POV). I guess all that Hope & Change is tiring, Oh I did the Laundry today and intend to fold it later, Please mail my Nobel Peace prize to me.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

I only use it when you guys get really silly. Come to think of it that's pretty often.

Sarkazein said...

POV-

On a scale of 1 to 10, how would you rate Obama as a uniter? One being the worst ever, ten being a lie.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

I think Obama is trying too hard, you grumpy old farts would be using the same rhetoric if Jesus was in the white house.

As long as Rupert Murdoch owns Foxs News your fear and hate addiction will be exploited.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rupert_Murdoch

Don't your grand children ever comment on how silly you are?

Obama needs to be concerned he doesn't lose the youth that elected him to make major change satisfying the tea baggers won't happen no matter what.

Anonymous said...

What a cheesy low class post. There is no use expecting decency or anything besides rabid frothing at the mouth from this crowd. These are the same people who would hang up on Jesus himself if he answered the phone speaking Spanish.

guy faulkes said...

Anonymous,

I think you are referring to the blog or the thread, not a post. A post is a singular additon to a thread. A thread is a singular addditon to a blog. A thread or a blog could be plural. As your complaint refers to the plural, we will assume this to be the case becasue otherwise we do not know which post you are talking about.

If Jesus is a man whose name is pronounced Hey-sus, I certainly could expect him to be speaking Spanish. All I have is high school Spanish which was different from the conversational Mexican or Cuban intonations. I probably would hang up on him because I would not be able to understand him. If he wishes to talk to me, he will have to learn English.

Exactly what is the rabid frothing of the mouth of which you are speaking? If you are referring to the name calling of POV, the name calling and rudeness of BikerBard, and the tone of your post, I suppose it might be possible to think any of you would hang up on the Savior.

If you find this blog site cheesy and low class, you should certainly avoid Watauga Watch.

POV, thank you for finally admitting you place Obama on the same level as the Savior.

Sarkazein said...

POV-

You are right, he gets a 1 (one) by default.

Remember the "youth" gets older every day. You classify the youth and the old the same way you classify the rich and the poor. In reality the groups are ever changing, going in and out and one to the other.

BikerBard said...

Simon Jester:
Who are you and why are you hitting on me? No one on WW thinks I'm gay - except Gay,er Guy Faux, who also likes to hit on me. Ladies, please, I'm straight. Sorry to dash your hopes. But if I were gay, you losers couldn't even get me to have a drink with you.
I have to laugh at you people who need to call someone "gay" to try to silence him. How childish and ineffective. But you middle-schoolers think it's such a roadside bomb! ROTFLMAO!

Oatz: if you look up the records, Bush was on vacation for over 3 of his 8 years in office. Don't try to make President Obama seem to be a slacker. Bush invented the scam. Didn't Bush also not finish his laughable stint in the National Guard, when they basically had summer camp and marched in parades?
Now THERE was a professional slacker.

Sarkazein said...

BB-

It is not whether you are gay or not. It is just that your comments are odd and project an inner struggle. So I tend to be curious about the cause, as life-styles and psychology are all related to a person's political beliefs.

RV said...

I totally agree about psychology and political beliefs. Why are you conservatives always complaining? Does anything ever make you happy?

oatz said...

That dam Texas Oilman millionaire President Bush is driving up gas prices so all his Haliburton cronies can make more money...From the AP Today.."Americans are paying more for gasoline than they did last year as the holidays approach-billions of dollars that could go to books, clothes ans Barbie dolls instead being spent at the pump. Nationally gas averaged $2.70 a gallon Friday, the highest of the year-adding bad news to an already fragile economy.."

Oh wait a minute Liberal POV and BikerBard (note lack of name calling, labeling, and cursing here BB) voted for Hope & Change Obama style we can't BLAME BUSH for this gas price HIKE! Also BikerBard and Liberal POV the challenge still stands for you to NAME ONE CAMPAIGN PROMISE PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS KEPT! Gitmo? NOPE!, Not raise taxes on 95% of Americans?, NOPE ALSO!!, Take the fight to Afghanistan and pull out of IRAQ?, BIG FAT NOPE!!!, Have the most open and TRANSPARENT administration ever?,HA HA HA HARDY HAR HAR WHOPPING BIG NADA NOPE!!!

Anyone care to add to the list?

oatz said...

Pass the Stimulus unemployment will not go over 8%? Nope its 9.8% 26 year record highs!!!!!!!!

Sarkazein said...

RV-

" Does anything ever make you happy?"-RV

Not lately in the political area.
In other areas, however, like shooting at the range with my 18 year old un-aborted son, taking a drive out in the beautiful Texas hill country in my SUV with the whole family, putting in a successful hard days work, and on and on like that keep me happy.
I am looking forward to the "happy day" when even the most liberal realize what Conservatives realized long ago... Obama is not even ready for sup-prime time.

Sarkazein said...

That should be "sub-prime time"

Sarkazein said...

RV-
Does $1.5 Trillion dollar deficit spending, the socialist take-over of America, higher taxes, world apology tours, other people partying at the WH like it was Rome burning days, continuation of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, GITMO still open for business, 40 Czars un-answerable to the public or Congress, the most divided America since the Civil War, make you happy? (politically speaking)
Really?

Sarkazein said...

RV-

How about the latest batch of our un-ethical Representatives being investigated? Does that make you happy? If there were not so many laws being passed governing every bit of our lives, Representatives would be less likely to get bribed, there would be less reason to bribe them. If we went back to the US Constitution's intent, all would be better for it. We are moving further and further and faster and faster away from it, are you celebrating that fact?

Sarkazein said...

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/disclosures/visitor-records

Look at the second two names on the visitor list. If this is true, Obama has ruined our country.
He shouldn't have even been allowed on a public tour, but I don't think this is a list of the public tour people.
The "just a guy in the neighborhood" is now a VIP.
By the way, the neighborhood is expensive not the ghetto. Just like a liberal on this site defends communists and terrorists, Obama makes them VIPs.

oatz said...

Hey Sark,
If you write Obama's autobiography, Dreams of my Father surely you rate a visit? He is JUST a guy from the neighborhood BTW.....

Sarkazein said...

Oatz-

If true, this is the straw for me. Ayers tried to destroy American landmarks, and is on the same list as Osama. I cringed when Arafat was allowed in to the WH, but at least he had to sit there and wait while Clinton was being serviced by Monica. But this is a true American terrorist, the enemy within. Obama cavorting in the WH with him is aiding the enemy.
This is impeachable. Ayers never got his justice because of some technicality. So he is still a self- admitted, non-repentant terrorist, on the same list as Osama who got off on a Clinton technicality and has not received justice.

Sarkazein said...

MSNBC, the Obama Network, posted this:

Not that Bill Ayers
The White House warns that many names that may appear familiar — and controversial — do not in fact refer to the most famous people to carry those names. Jeremiah Wright is on the list, but it's not the president's former pastor. This Michael Jordan is not the basketball player. This Michael Moore is not a filmmaker. The William Ayers who took a group tour of the White House isn't the former radical from Chicago who figured so prominently in the 2008 campaign. And the Angela Davis on the list has a different middle initial than the activist and former fugitive.///


I HOPE they are right, but I am not convinced.

Liberal POV said...

Know Nothings

Pick up a copy of this weeks Time magazine and see how much the top 0.01% of Americans make.
14,588 taxpayers making more than 11.5 million a year 6% of the total income.
This is an increase of 900% over the last 30 years.
Thats Conservative politics in action.

Liberal POV said...

Conservatives

When you hear the term redistribution of wealth think of all the income and savings that flowed upward over the last thirty years while Republicans were in power.

Think about junk bonds buy outs of shoe factories, mills, and other blue collar manufacturing jobs that were bought with the pension funds of employees then cash drained without any reinvestment, assets funneled to the wealth investor and management including the worker's pension.
Later it would be the middle class's 401k stolen with greedy CEO salaries.
Class warfare started 30 years ago by the greedy bankers and wall street.

You fools want to continue cheering these criminals on. Is this what you defend as capitalism?

Liberal POV said...

Conservative

Lets don't forget after stealing the pensions and bankrupting the mills, shoe factories and other manufacturing leaving local vendors unpaid these greedy criminals shipped the jobs and remaining equipment to China.

RV said...

Sark, I think you are mad at the wrong people. Capitalism has no soul.

guy faulkes said...

POV, you cannot understand the concept of earning something for yourself. You want to steal what others make. If you want to be paid a multi-million dollar salary, educate yourself and become worthy of that amount. What makes you think you can set the salary of anyone other than your employees. As I seriously doubt that you have any employees, you are speaking on matters of which you know nothing. If you do have employees, do you pay them more than they are worth?

What percentage of taxes did those people you say are over priced pay?

Class warfare started when the liberals discovered they could buy votes and power with entitlement programs.

It is the height of hypocrisy to lament the jobs that have been lost over seas and endorse the illegal alien criminals that steal jobs in this country.

Sarkazein said...

RV-

Motown was part of capitalism.

Sarkazein said...

RV-

Deal with the government IRS, and tell me about soul.
When you have to deal with a government Bureaucracy,
are you thinking they have a soul.
I can change evil corporations I deal with, but can't change government agencies not competing for by business.

Sarkazein said...

RV-

By the way, the IRS will be the enforcer of the Obama-care system. Are you seeing pink colored rainbows?

Liberal POV said...

Guy

" If you want to be paid a multi-million dollar salary, educate yourself and become worthy of that amount."

What education is required to EARN $30,000,000.00 annualy?

Most of the mega rich stole the wealth of others often people of little means.

Leave out the handfull of Google, facebook, Bill Gates, Michael Moores who made something or invented something.

Sarkazein said...

POV-

Your last comment leaves you with a zero (0) credibility balance. In-fact, you are over-drawn.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

What CEO or CFO do you know worth more than one million annually in salary?

Do you want the CEO paid more or see more engineers, research, marketing and dividents paid in a company you invest in?

Millions paid to top management is theft.

Sarkazein said...

"What CEO or CFO do you know worth more than one million annually in salary?"-POV


Me.

Johnny Rico said...

Nice one Sark! These liberal socialist sheep never seem to understand that the upper 10 percent doing a lot to support the entire economy. But then again, they have never had to earn what they have which leads to an important truism - THAT WHICH IS GIVEN HAS NO VALUE. This they may indeed understand someday, but by then it will be too late.

Tricycle Lard and Liberal Socialist POV - I bet you two are so relieved that I got banned on Watauga Watch aren't you? Well, to tell you the truth I am too. Pounding idiots like you into submission time and again was akin to Carlos Hathcock's 93 confirmed - enough to give me PTSD. Winning too much is actually bad for a person you know. Winning ALL THE TIME is boring, especially against moronic troglydytes such as yourselves. At any rate, how about giving everything up you currently own to the US Government? Sounds good doesn't it? You know, like you want everyone else to do under Hussein Obama. LOL!!!!

That was easy. And yes, I won.

Oh and one other thing for my special needs liberals - what exactly did Hussein Obama do to obtain the Nobel Peace Prize. I would like to have it spelled out in detail. LOL!!

This ought to be interesting!!!!

Your dearest pal
Johnny Rico

BikerBard said...

Rico/Mary/Alien Dude:
It's spelled, "troglodyte" moron. I'm sure you learned this word when people called you that so often. Maybe you even learned it from one of your two favorite authors, Heineleen or Assimoff. LOL!

Sarkazein said...

BB-

If you hadn't had to look it up, you wouldn't have known it's spelling.

Sarkazein said...

GUY FAULKES-

You were right, "Miss Spelling Manners" is BB aka D Webster, aka Leather Boy.

Sarkazein said...

Johnny Rico-

You are the second commenter writing they were banned from WW. The blogger there must be a true liberal. Gun control and political censorship are liberal traits.

RV said...

How is it right to pay millions to CEO's of companies that ship jobs overseas, while our school teachers and law enforcement officers have to struggle to get by on their meager salaries. Teachers and law enforcement officers are doing something worthwhile to improve our country and our quality of life, while the CEO's care only about profits.

Many in the upper ten percent inherited their wealth. They never had to earn it like the rest of us. The only struggle they have is hanging onto it, but this is easy for them because their money gives them power.

The rich are getting richer, while the rest of us are getting poorer. Are you like Joe the Plumber who wants to support the rich in the hopes that some day he will be rich too? I guess conservatives are dreamers while liberals are realists.

Honest Debate said...

RV,

You asked: "How is it right to pay millions to CEO's of companies that ship jobs overseas, while our school teachers and law enforcement officers have to struggle to get by on their meager salaries(?)"

Whose money is it? You act as if it's yours, it's not. How will preventing CEO's form earning what the market provides help teachers and law enforcement?

You claim that, "Many in the upper ten percent inherited their wealth." Oh really! Where do you get this stuff. Okay, assuming you're right, what possible relevance does it hold?

More bilge: "The rich are getting richer, while the rest of us are getting poorer." No, the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting richer. I support that.

The fomented resentment towards the rich has no virtues. You and others are tormented by this resentment, to what end? Your situation will not change if the rich are penalized more for their achievement but you will feel better and those puppeteers pulling your strings will be one step closer to implementing their dastardly vision.

Sarkazein said...

" Are you like Joe the Plumber who wants to support the rich in the hopes that some day he will be rich too? I guess conservatives are dreamers while liberals are realists."-RV

Our country was founded on a "dream". A dream to be free and pursue happiness as individuals.
In your reality, people don't become rich with hard work, luck, persistence? I am glad I do not live in your reality. Keep in mind, not all people want to become rich. A teacher or a nurse, or a peace officer are pursuing their happiness, and financial reward is not their reward. But it is by choice.
You seem to think happiness can only be achieved with financial wealth. Nothing could be further from the truth. In the liberal world, resentment for the financially successful is a sin (“Thou shalt not covet”). Or is that like the 2nd Amendment... not acceptable?

Liberal POV said...

Honest Debate

"Whose money is it?" Very good question as much was received with questionable scams. Think Enron, Junk Bonds, Stolen pensions, Wall Street greed, Banking fraud, Tax payer bail outs, Savings and Loan scandal, Savings and loan bail out,Usury fees on the working poor, War profiteering, Political corruption. Insurance Companies protected by politicans, Utilities protected by the government.


POV
"Pick up a copy of this weeks Time magazine and see how much the top 0.01% of Americans make.
14,588 taxpayers making more than 11.5 million a year 6% of the total income."

Honest Debate: " No, the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting richer."

The Megarich top 0.01% had a 900% increase in income over the last 30 years averaging $11,588,000 per year.
The top 1% averaged $398,900 per year.
The top 1 to 5% averaged $220,000 per year. The top 5-10 percentage averaged $128,560

The bottom 90% averaged just $32,421 per year.

Which of these groups do you suppose funds the propaganda machine of Heritage Foundation and the CATO institute and hate media?
2007 Compensation for GM CEO was14.4 million then their all of the other top management CFO Presidents and Vice Presidents.

Why was 85% of this money not going to engineering and marketing to make this company competitive? GM recieved $50 billion in bailouts.

AIG's CEO recieved $13.9 million in 2007 and 10.5 million in 2009 after a $180 billion in taxpayer funded bailout money again CFO, presidents and Vice presidents. This for people that cost investers their 401ks?

GMAC CEO recieved $14.6 million in 2007 and $8.5 million in 2009 after a 12.5 Billion in taxpayer bailouts.

CEO of Goldman Sachs LLoyd Blankfein recieved $ 42,946,801 or $825,900 per week or over $20,000 per hour in 2008 compensation. Did he EARN that money? Did it come from working people's 401Ks? $15,080 is the amount earned by a minimum-wage worker in a year.

The Average worker would have to work 1,055 years to recieve Blankfein compensation last year.

WHO's Money Is It?

Information above is from this weeks Time Magazine.

Did these people EARN that money?

Should they be taxed to fund needed school teacher salaries, police salaries, or to rebuild infustructure?

Sarkazein said...

Sarkazein said...
POV-

You failed to mention Robert Rubin. The father of this finacial crisis.


moved from the wrong thread.

Liberal POV said...

Jonny Rico

"Tricycle Lard and Liberal Socialist POV - I bet you two are so relieved that I got banned on Watauga Watch aren't you? "

I hadn't noticed you were missing over there.

I usually just skip over your rambling post.
Is it possible JW found you post more heckling than an exchange of ideas?
Because you have an opinion doesn't make it a fact.

I do think you represent a large segment of conservative voters so this should be a good home for for you to rant.
Lets see if your fellow conservatives find any of your post too extreme?

Sarkazein said...

"I do think you represent a large segment of conservative voters so this should be a good home for for you to rant.
Lets see if your fellow conservatives find any of your post too extreme?"-POV


POV, have you not read many of your comments?
Read the one on this thread posted at 12:16pm.
If not a rant, what then? A jealous rant to be exact.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

My opinion is much of our current crisis can be traced back to the mentality surounding Enron.

Enron had lots of accomplices including Citi Bank, Wall Street, Politicans from both sides.

Find and watch " The Smartest Guys in The Room "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zMakN-EMLg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFTihsjO-og&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aERv_sEjkXA&feature=related

This mentality ran through our the banking, corporate and political world.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

"Read the one on this thread posted at 12:16pm.
If not a rant, what then? A jealous rant to be exact."

"Honest Debate

"Whose money is it?" Very good question as much was received with questionable scams. Think Enron, Junk Bonds, Stolen pensions, Wall Street greed, Banking fraud, Tax payer bail outs, Savings and Loan scandal, Savings and loan bail out,Usury fees on the working poor, War profiteering, Political corruption. Insurance Companies protected by politicans, Utilities protected by the government.


POV
"Pick up a copy of this weeks Time magazine and see how much the top 0.01% of Americans make.
14,588 taxpayers making more than 11.5 million a year 6% of the total income."

Honest Debate: " No, the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting richer."

The Megarich top 0.01% had a 900% increase in income over the last 30 years averaging $11,588,000 per year.
The top 1% averaged $398,900 per year.
The top 1 to 5% averaged $220,000 per year. The top 5-10 percentage averaged $128,560

The bottom 90% averaged just $32,421 per year.

Which of these groups do you suppose funds the propaganda machine of Heritage Foundation and the CATO institute and hate media?
2007 Compensation for GM CEO was14.4 million then their all of the other top management CFO Presidents and Vice Presidents.

Why was 85% of this money not going to engineering and marketing to make this company competitive? GM recieved $50 billion in bailouts.

AIG's CEO recieved $13.9 million in 2007 and 10.5 million in 2009 after a $180 billion in taxpayer funded bailout money again CFO, presidents and Vice presidents. This for people that cost investers their 401ks?

GMAC CEO recieved $14.6 million in 2007 and $8.5 million in 2009 after a 12.5 Billion in taxpayer bailouts.

CEO of Goldman Sachs LLoyd Blankfein recieved $ 42,946,801 or $825,900 per week or over $20,000 per hour in 2008 compensation. Did he EARN that money? Did it come from working people's 401Ks? $15,080 is the amount earned by a minimum-wage worker in a year.

The Average worker would have to work 1,055 years to recieve Blankfein compensation last year.

WHO's Money Is It?

Information above is from this weeks Time Magazine.

Did these people EARN that money?

Should they be taxed to fund needed school teacher salaries, police salaries, or to rebuild infustructure?"

November 1, 2009 12:16 PM

Is that your rebuttal to Conservative supported corporate greed and fraud?

guy faulkes said...

POV, We have already debunked this drivel. Please get some new materiel. You are becoming boring.

Do you oppose sending jobs overseas, but approve of illegal aliens stealing jobs in this country?

Liberal POV said...

Guy


"We have already debunked this drivel."

Really?

You support such greed and fraud as posted above?

This is the conservative position?

Notice the numbers the bottom 90% of Americans have an average income of less than $32,500 while the top 0.05% have an average income of just over $11,500,000 per year.

Do the math, the only hope of continuing the redistribution of wealth upward is through propaganda and media control. This is the job of The Heritage Foundation and Cato Institute.
Divide and conquer with phony and exploited issues of death panels, religion, gays, abortion, patriotism, brithers, tea parties, immigration.

One of these days the working folks being played for fools by the wealthy right will wake up.

Can you not do better than "We have already debunked this drivel"?

oatz said...

I wonder the political affiliation of all those evil CEO's Liberal POV rails against, yet not one peep from Liberal POV about Chief Financial ad visor to Obama's stealing 80 million in bonuses from Fannie Mae Franklin Raines in 6 years as CEO then miraculously it fails. I thought all Democratic bonuses were only for merit?,Huh Liberal POV.

guy faulkes said...

POV, my goal is to force you to come up with some new arguments that we have not been over many times. My next goal is to make you support those arguments with some kind of logic and some facts that actually check out when scrutinized.

Lets look at your last post.

"Do the math, the only hope of continuing the redistribution of wealth upward is through propaganda and media control." So you actually promote violating the first amendment and using propaganda to control people so you can steal what they earn. This is amazing even for you.

"One of these days the working folks being played for fools by the wealthy right will wake up." I thought your contention was this is what happened in the last election. However, as the polls show, the working people found they had been the victims of propaganda and the controlled left wing media and are abandoning Obama and his policies. Do you mean by this statement that the left wing fanatics are going to try using force to obtain their desires? I have long believed you did support terrorists, but now I have to wonder if you are one.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Why is it so hard for you to condem the greed , fraud and corruption?

If you put word in my mouth does that make you right?

Your a fool to argue the merits of someone EARNING $8.5 million to $42.9 million a year while Americans work for less rhan a living wage or go without health care.
The so call death tax was designed to be a tax shelter for the family of these super rich.

What a marketing job that was by the Hertiage foundation.

Like my grandfather always said the Republican party is for the rich not working men and women.

You prove it here with you post.
The Republican party is funded by tobacco, coal, banking, fossils fuels, insurance, sugar and con artist all feeding off working people.

Sarkazein said...

"My opinion is much of our current crisis can be traced back to the mentality surounding Enron."POV


Again, the critical link is Rubin. Who was the first person Enron called for help when the stuff was headed for the fan? Under whose administration did Enron make most of it's money? Under whose administration did it collapse.
If history is honest, it will show Robert Rubin pulling the strings that caused our current financial woes.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

Notice my earlier comment
" Enron had lots of accomplices including Citi Bank, Wall Street, Politicians from both sides."

I have no problem in stating Democrats are political whores to the corporate elite and are complicit in the corruption and greed. Rubin then with Citi Bank does not let Republicans off the hook. These big schemes to transfer wealth from working citizens to the Megarich can always find non partisan support.
The point is the greed is good and screw the working class was epidemic for much of the last thirty years.

Capitalism in its ulgyest form, but it was more socialism or facism only the rich could be on the recieving end supported by the pension fund, reduced wages, taxes and 401k of working people.

Those 15,000+ in the megarich income bracket own politicians on both sides of the isle. They fund lobbyist and Hertiage foundation, Cato Institute buy ads on Fox News and hate radio. Keep Guy pissed off over guns, imagined freeloaders drawing a $500 a month check to feed and cloth 2 kids, undocumented residents, imagined death panels, Castro, Chavaz, flag pins, gays, Jesse Jacksonand other silliness while they steal the US Treasury and his wealth.
What I find sad is working people like Wolf, Matt and probably Guy ( I think he works) support this form of Corporate royalty, and corruption.
The class warfare and transfer of wealth began with Reagan when the wealthy attacked the working poor and middle class.
The Republicans however defend and applaud such behavior. See Guy's comments.

Sarkazein said...
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guy faulkes said...

See Guy's comments. - POV

Yes, please see my comments.Then I do not have to keep giving the same rebuttals to POV's same accusations. Also please see most of the other comments on this blog that also endlessly rebut Pov's dogma.

BikerBard said...

Sarkazein:
RE: your post on my knowing how to spell. You are incorrect to say, "you wouldn't have known it's spelling." You should have used "its" (the possessive pronoun.) I also know grammar.

Gosh, how I love it when you go into your smug routine! LOL!

Sarkazein said...

BB-

You are like the moron in the crowd standing there listening to an hour long speech just to see if you can have the soap box when the speaker is through.

Sarkazein said...

Add to Obama's list of successes, since it is obvious he is trying to destroy the economy:

CIT Group seeks prepackaged reorganization in New York bankruptcy court,

By Stephen Manning, AP Business Writer
On 9:28 pm EST, Sunday November 1, 2009

WASHINGTON (AP) -- After struggling for months to avert bankruptcy, lender CIT Group has filed for Chapter 11 protection in an attempt to restructure its debt while trying to keep badly needed loans flowing to thousands of mid-sized and small businesses.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

"Add to Obama's list of successes, since it is obvious he is trying to destroy the economy:"

My IRA has recovered a great deal over the last few months. Had conservatives been in power we would be in one of the worst depressions in world history.

Know Nothings make poor leaders.

Sarkazein said...

"My IRA has recovered a great deal over the last few months. Had conservatives been in power we would be in one of the worst depressions in world history."-POV


Forget the real17% unemployed, the 52% youngest job seekers unemployment, the record bankruptcies, the record foreclosures, the banks going under...POV's IRA has gone back up. You heartless liberal.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

"Forget the real17% unemployed, the 52% youngest job seekers unemployment, the record bankruptcies, the record foreclosures, the banks going under...POV's IRA has gone back up. You heartless liberal."

Lets remember it was 8 years of Conservative policy that wrecked the economic train.
Most of those bankrupcies are due to medical bills with conservatives fighting reform. If the know nothing conservatives had let the banks fail and we had not had the stimulas bill unemployment may be 40%.
I see no good answers or logic coming from conservatives.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

"Forget the real17% unemployed, the 52% youngest job seekers unemployment, the record bankruptcies, the record foreclosures, the banks going under...POV's IRA has gone back up. You heartless liberal."

Lets remember it was 8 years of Conservative policy that wrecked the economic train.
Most of those bankrupcies are due to medical bills with conservatives fighting reform. If the know nothing conservatives had let the banks fail and we had not had the stimulas bill unemployment may be 40%.
I see no good answers or logic coming from conservatives.

BikerBard said...

Sark:

I love it when you get caught and have to reinvent an attack. Smug though, aren't we. Learn grammar. It will help you. And don't correct someone unless you are SURE you are right.

Sarkazein said...

BB-

It hasn't helped you any.

Gregg said...

Funny!

Liberal POV said...

Gregg

That represents todays Republican Party very well, full of negativism, smoking, war morgering, grumpy farts and silly. The silliness did make it funny.
I've met plenty of Republicans just like them.

BikerBard said...

Sark:
Nor you, Senor Smug. 'Splain that!LOL!

Sarkazein said...

Why do I feel I am back in grade school when I read BB's comments? Someone stop me! Every-time I read one, my IQ suffers.

Sarkazein said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5xYgjVtvCw&NR=1


Obama Peace Prize.

Sarkazein said...

CHICAGO (AP) - Nearly half of all U.S. children and 90 percent of black youngsters will be on food stamps at some point during childhood, and fallout from the current recession could push those numbers even higher, researchers say.
The estimate comes from an analysis of 30 years of national data, and it bolsters other recent evidence on the pervasiveness of youngsters at economic risk. It suggests that almost everyone knows a family who has received food stamps, or will in the future, said lead author Mark Rank, a sociologist at Washington University in St. Louis.///

Certainly when the liberals were passing this program, the intent was to make it so kids would not have to be on food stamps. What happens, MORE and MORE people become poor. Liberalism makes people poor except for the few that find away to get rich off of other's misery, like the poverty pimps (Obama included).

Sarkazein said...

Happy Happy Communists. POV's SOB buddies.





Residents of the Venezuelan capital face cuts in water service for as much as 48 hours per week, after the government imposed rationing to stem a 25 percent shortfall in the city's supply, officials said Monday.
Officials said cuts in water service were to be staggered throughout Caracas through the duration of the current dry season, which is not expected to end until May 2010.///

RV said...

Loved the part about Zorro.

Sarkazein said...

101 comments about a box of Cracker Jacks.

Sarkazein said...

Why President Bush never got the NPP.

R-rated for truthful language.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZjpCK02s3A