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Tuesday, November 3, 2009

Bottom Line Reason to Support the GOP Even If You Don't Like Them

Excerpt from Chris Wallace's interview with Rush Limbaugh on last Sunday's Fox News Sunday:
WALLACE: Lucille Gallman sent this question: "Did you vote for John McCain in the 2008 presidential election?"
LIMBAUGH: I did.
WALLACE: Really?
LIMBAUGH: Of course.
WALLACE: But you've been so critical of John McCain.

LIMBAUGH: Yes, but you weigh the two. I don't think — there are a lot of people, Chris, that are saying there's no difference in two parties. I know a lot of people think that, and they're — and they really, really believe it.

But I don't know of any Republican who would try to take over one- sixth of the U.S. economy. I don't know one Republican who would put forth this — this irresponsible cap-and-trade bill. I don't know one Republican who would actually do that as something he initiated.
Complete Transcript

68 comments:

guy faulkes said...

I disagree with Rush on this issue. I am done with supporting the lessor of two evils. I had rather a political enemy be elected than a two faced friend that will stab me in the back. Hopefully the New Jersey gubernatorial race and the House race in New York will teach the Republicans we no longer will support a liberal in Republican clothing.

Anonymous said...

I hope Mr. Anderson is correct. I'd love nothing more than to see the lunatic fringe of the Republican party push themselves completely off the validity table.

Bring on the revolution, baggers.

Anonymous said...

Sorry. I meant "Mr. Henderson."

Honest Debate said...

In my view the primaries are the place to vote your conscious. Too often people don't and vote for whoever has the momentum by the time the primary reaches their state. When it comes to the main election the lesser of two evils will ALWAYS be the choice. I respectfully disagree with Guy. I would gladly take any of the Republican candidates (Huckabee, Giuliani, Thompson, Hunter, Romney, even Ron Paul) over the crap we are seeing now. Hell, I'd rather have Olympia Snowe than Obama. I understand the argument but a whole lot of damage can be done in four years. The price of occupying the moral high ground is just too high.

Honest Debate said...

"I hope Mr. Anderson is correct. I'd love nothing more than to see the lunatic fringe of the Republican party push themselves completely off the validity table." -Nonny (if that's his real name)

I don't know who Mr. Anderson or Mr. Henderson is but I don't think it can be argued that Obama, Pelosi and Reid are radically left and they run the party. Reid will go the way of Tom Daschel in 2010 because he is too beholdened to the most radical loonies out there to satisfy his constituents. Pelosi is from San Francisco. Is there a more crazy left place on the planet? She'll be fine but hopefully not speaker. As for the manchild he had the most liberal voting record in the Senate. These are your leaders. Can anyone honestly say that they represent American values?

Sarkazein said...

Somehow, run-off elections have to be added to the voting process. If a candidate does not get a majority, the top two must run again. This will avoid the WarLock Party from winning with 15% of the vote.
This way, the more Parties the merrier.
I too believed strongly in the Primary system, it is fading. Third Parties only become a spoiler if there is no run-off.

Honest Debate said...

Good point Sark. Don't some states already do that with Senators and Governors?

Johnny Rico said...

Tricyle Lard and Liberal Socialist Sheep POV,

After both your rambling rants on the evils of conservatism, how do you explain the resounding GOP landslide in Virginia? If Hussein Obama is doing such a good job then why doesn't the voting public reflect that? Or could it be that you two imbeciles forget about our grandchildren's debt, tea parties, and liberal Senators telling Generals to call then Senator as opposed to "maam"? LOL!!!!

Your failure to respond, as usual is very telling.

Oh yes, and Liberal POV, you were again unable to answer Faulks question regarding why you think American jobs shouldn't go overseas, yet you think illegal aliens should be able to take jobs here in the homeland. How about an answer.

Here is another question. What would you say to the out of work stone masons in Watauga County who cannot find work because illegal aliens are doing it?

Perhaps you should think globally by acting locally and taking a drive out US 221 south of Blowing Rock. Take a look at the beautiful new Blowing Rock Fire Substation. The structure was built by illegal aliens hired by Lentz Construction. What would you say to the local stonemasons who are out of work right about now? Uh huh, that's what I thought!!!!!

Your ole pal

Gary

Johnny Rico

PS With difficult questions such as these causing Watauga Watch to ban me, you still want to say you never read any of those threads? LOL!!!

That was easy.

oatz said...

The people have spoken Hope & Change is dead....Obama magic is wearing thin,,,All that campaigning and Zero results..Lets see the "media" spin this one into a non statement about the Obama Administration...Harry Reid your next, Pelosi....?

aDaughterOfYaHWeH said...

I just love Rush! He seems to hit the nail on the head 99.9% of the time!

" I'm not going to predict the races. I'm going to predict the media to you, because I've already got examples of it in the audio sound bite roster here and a couple of news stories. The media tonight and tomorrow are going to be working hard, my friends, to deliver you not the news but Obama talking points about this election as in ABC Radio News just 15 minutes ago: White House insisting that these governor's races should not be seen as judgment on the White House. That's ABC falling right in line, CNN has, too. First, there's Virginia. Whatever the vote totals in Virginia, the State-Controlled Media will report that the turnout was not as big as expected, that the vote for the Republicans and against the Democrats was not as big as expected, and besides, everybody knew that the Republicans would win. It's no surprise. The White House even knew it. Why, the White House threw this guy Creigh Deeds under the bus a couple weeks ago. The White House knew he ran a lousy campaign.

You could just see this coming, mark my words. We knew that the Republicans would win because the Democrat governor was so poor, he was so inept, he dismissed early offers by the Obama team for help, he was a goner from the moment the general election began. So the State-Controlled Media will say Virginia stands for nothing, just ignore it. I predict to you that will be the outcome; that will be the media spin. I know these people, folks, I know them. You know I know them. That will be how they spin Virginia."

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_110309/content/01125106.guest.html

RV said...

Rico, it is all the same thing. Jobs leave this country and illegal aliens get jobs in this country to maximize profits for the employers.

In a global economy, workers have to be paid less and less in order for the company to be competitive and still make a profit for the employer.

Can an American manufacturer pay more to American workers and still compete with an American manufacturer who sends the work overseas? This is why our plants are shutting down or going overseas. If you want unfettered capitalism to reign supreme, this will be the outcome.

Liberal POV said...

Tea Baggers, Know Nothings, Rush and Beck Groupies

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/abraham/detail??blogid=95&entry_id=50947

Notice the new GOP Virginia Governor elect had a plan for education, transportation and bread and butter issues. He is not a Palin know nothing.
The Know Nothing lost in NY-23.
Notice locally in the Town of Boone the GOP ( Grumpy Old People) and Know Nothing lost.
Maybe we can get rid of the Queen of Know Nothing Ms Foxx in 2010.

oatz said...

Barack Obama's liberal policies are proving to be poisonous for Democrat gubernatorial candidates in New Jersey and Virginia. Bob McDonnell's smashing victory in Virginia indicates a net 25% point move away from Democrats in the Old Dominion, when comparing Obama's margin in 2008 with McDonnell's in 2009. That is an amazing move in the space of one year, demonstrating a major voter pushback.

John Corzine has just conceded the New Jersey governorship to Chris Christie, demonstrating that voters are discontent with Democrat business-as usual: high taxes, high unemployment, and corruption.

Honest Debate said...

RV,

You are correct but what happens to your equation when you consider the onerous regulation imposed on business by government and unions? The high corporate taxes, minimum wage, workman compensation, maternity leave, paid vacations, paid sick days, pensions, tariffs, matching social security and much more. The problem goes deeper than employees making less money. "Unfettered" means unfettered.

Honest Debate said...

Lib,

Is that the "logic and reason" you wrote about? You should apply some logic and reason to your logic and reasoning.

guy faulkes said...

The conservative lost in NT-23, but it is a win for conservatives. A little known candidate with little money entered the race near the end and almost won. The liberal Democrat in Republican clothing had so little support she dropped out of the race. When she did so, she endorsed the Democrat. This should prove two things. One is that a significant number of conservatives no longer care about the party to which you belong. The other is the Republican party will have to get back to its base in order to survive. Hopefully the Republican party realizes this.

I will risk repeating myself. I do not want a liberal Republican just because he is Republican. I will support the most conservative candidate regardless of party affiliation unless there is no conservative candidate. Then I vote for no one. You cannot tell me that electing a liberal Republican that is so liberal she endorsed a liberal Democrat is one tiny bit better than the liberal Democrat. There is no moral high ground as there is no difference in the results. We would only reward Republicans for running a liberal. For me and many others with whom I talk, the lessor of two evils is no longer an option. If the Republicans will not give me a choice, then I want another party that will.

Virginia and New Jersey are very telling indicators. New Jersey is especially telling as Obama worked hard for the Democrats to no avail. These races proved two things. One is that people have election remorse about putting Obama into the presidency. The other is that unless Obama is running, the black vote is not going to turn out in record numbers and solidly support the Democrats. It is undeniable that Obama used the race card to get elected. When a single candidate gets 90% of the voters of his own race to support him, then race was an issue to these voters. They did not vote on issues, only race. Obama is not running in 2010.

Sarkazein said...

RV- "...overseas? This is why our plants are shutting down or going overseas."-RV

Wrong, it is because of over- regulation and over- taxation and over- litigation and over- unionization.

Sarkazein said...

RV- The over-regulation...etc. is "fettered" capitalism" not unfettered capitalism.

RV said...

Even with no fetters, the jobs would be going overseas because of the low wages that can be paid. Do you want people in America working for what the people in China work for? Do you want children working because otherwise the family can't survive? Do you want the pollution that China has so that there will be no regulation on our industries?

Sarkazein said...

Congratulations to the Virginia voters. It was my home for much of my youth. I left there in the mid-seventies because of over-taxation, and moved to Texas. With the Northern Virginia voters not wanting to vote themselves out of their cushy government "jobs", it will never go back to what the Founders started.

Honest Debate said...

NY-23 was a unique situation in that Scozzafava was chosen by 11 RINOs behind closed doors. The people didn't have a say. I don't know enough about Scozzafava or Burns to say that the results would be the same but I suspect Guy Faulkes is correct.

When it comes to the Presidential election I stand by my previous comments. The squishy McCain would not destroy the country to the degree that Obama is trying to do. He loves America, that's plain. Obama is ashamed of America and feels the need to apologize over and over. He's killing jobs. He's already killed the ecomomy. He's feared by none of our enemies, they scoff at him. He's turned his back on our allies and coddled our adversaries. He's a racist. He has a cabinet full of tax cheats and radicals. He takes no responsibility for anything and blames it all on Bush. He sided against the people in Iran, Honduras and Poland. He's taken over the auto industry, the banking industry and is attempting to take over health care. He supports partial-birth abortion and amnesty for illegals. He's so arrogant he thinks he's the messiah. He doesn't even have enough self-discipline to quit smoking. Add to that he's a naive, inexperienced idiot. I do not regret my vote for McCain one bit. The only vote I regret was my vote for Perot in '92. I contributed to Clinton's victory with it. In hind sight I've learned that Perot was a nut and that Bush (41) was not the demon that I believed it was at the time.

If Algore or Kerry had won in 2000/2004 this disaster (maybe not the this extreme) would have happened earlier. Some could spin that as a message that needed to be sent and that would be true but at what cost?

I love the message that NY-23 sent to the Republican elites. And it was sent loudly, despite the loss. I also think loosing control of Congress sent a valuable message to the squishy right. While bad, that's a price I'm willing to pay.

The problem is that the majorities that elected Obama, some by their votes and some by staying home, disagree with me. That's the way it works. The tragedy is that it happened fraudulently. If the debate was honest and the vetting of candidates equal then this would not have happened. For that I take my share of the blame for not being vocal or involved enough. The right has let themselves be defined by the left (Bush was notoriously bad at enabling them) and for too long they have tried to compete accepting their definitions and premises. Hopefully this is a turning point. I just hope it's not too late.

Honest Debate said...

I should also point out that it's been less than a year and Obama is just getting started. Look forward to cap and trade. Don't forget his stated goal of bankrupting the coal industry. Count on China exerting it's will on our dollar. Get ready for Gitmo terrorist in our neighborhoods. Gird your loins for another attack. Watch as race relations deteriorate exponentially. Prepare for deadbeats that are living on producers toils to resent the hand that feeds them and being successful at legislating that resentment into more deadbeats and less producers. Pray that there isn't another great depression because with Obama's policies prayer is our best if not only hope.

Sarkazein said...

H.D.- Again, well written/said. The Perot thing is why the 3rd Party thing is a problem, but wouldn't be if there was a run-off. Clinton would have still been lurking in the halls of the Excelsior Hotel in Little Rock and not lurking in the rumpus room off the Oval Office.

Sarkazein said...

RV- If you were an employer, would you hire more people or less people if the government had not made you the legal guardian for each one?

Honest Debate said...

Sark,

I don't see a downside for the run off thing. I'd also like to see primaries change the order of states in each election year. By the time the primary gets to NC it meaningless. I voted for Hillary in 2008. Why should Iowa and New Hampshire voters have so much influence? The only reason ethanol is still around is because Iowa is first.

Liberal POV said...

HD

" Don't forget his stated goal of bankrupting the coal industry. Count on China exerting it's will on our dollar. Get ready for Gitmo terrorist in our neighborhoods. Gird your loins for another attack. Watch as race relations deteriorate exponentially. Prepare for deadbeats that are living on producers toils to resent the hand that feeds them and being successful at legislating that resentment into more deadbeats and less producers. "

Boo!!

What fear and silliness!

You need to buy a plane ticket and see the world just maybe you can get thing in perspective.

Honest Debate said...

Lib,

Thanks for your thoughtful, logical and reasoned rebuttal.

aDaughterOfYaHWeH said...

BAHAHAHAHA!!!

Love it HD! :)

Sarkazein said...

H.D.- In Houston, there is a run-off election in the city races. Another thing the run-off does is keep the people who are not so concerned, uninformed, or stoned from voting. You have to have voted in the general election to be eligible to vote in the run-off.

DC said...

Guy, I know you have heard the saying "Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good."

For me, this crowd in control right now are so dangerous to the future of this country, I would vote for a monkey if I thought he had a chance to win.

guy faulkes said...

Gentlemen, I compromised my beliefs by voting for the lesser of two evils for 40 years. In my opinion all that did was encourage the Republican party to lean to the left because they thought people like me had no other place to go. The Republican party kept getting more and more objectionable by abandoning its conservative base. In the mid nineties, I had hope. The Republicans lied and reneged on their promises. That was the last straw.

In my opinion, we have no choice but to make a stand. If this causes a liberal takeover for 20 years, then so be it. We will never get better until we cut the cancer out. That may cause some pain. It may even kill the patient, but better a quick clean death than a slow one. Figuratively speaking, Travis has drawn a line in the sand that I have crossed.

I respect your opinions, but I no longer agree with them in this matter.

Sarkazein said...

If the vote was public record, "Sarkazien voted for the Libertarian" then a protest vote is good. Unfortunately, the protest disappears in to a 2% total and is never mentioned. Conservatives/Libertarians, just have to CHANGE the Republican Party. Rarely in life will any one candidate reflect 99% of 51% of the voters philosophies. I have held my nose and voted more than once in my life, but that is better than gaging every time I look at that yuppy scum that is President now.

DC said...

It is in the primaries where conservatives will get heard next year.

bridle said...

Limbaugh is the man who publicly mocked a 13 year old girl on national television by calling her a dog. He is scum.

guy faulkes said...

In my opinion, it is going to take Republicans losing unless they return to conservatism in order to force that return. Their effort to correct their mistake in NY 23 would appear to confirm this. They were almost successful. Hopefully this will be a learning experience.

RV said...

If I were an employer, I would hire good people and treat them well. One motivated worker is worth two who are not. How motivated can you be when you only make minimum wage and are made to feel completely expendable?

Americans are good workers, but we have become expendable because the bottom line is all that matters. Loyalty to workers and producing a quality product just don't seem to matter anymore

Sarkazein said...

Bridle- I forget, what political office was Rush elected and does that office have the power to sign laws in to effect and address Congress and party instead of answering troop level increase requests.


"Limbaugh is the man who publicly mocked a 13 year old girl on national television by calling her a dog. He is scum."-Bridle

Oh, and by the way, he didn't call her anything. That is another Liberal urban legend.

Liberal POV said...

GUY

Once again you show how little you know.

"They were almost successful." NY-23

The Republicans loosing NY-23 would be like Patty Mc Henry or silly Know Nothing Ms Foxx loosing in NC. NY-23 is as solid Republican as Avery County. The Democratic win their was a reflection on the Know Nothing , world is flat, keep kids dumb about sex and watch teens have kids, Rush worship, movement.

guy faulkes said...

POV, Who cares who wins if both the Democrat and the Republicans run candidates that endorse the same policies? NY-23 saw an relatively unknown candidate enter a race late, not be a member of either party, spend very little money on the campaign, have the candidates of both major parties unite against him, and still almost win. This does not bode well for either the Republicans or Democrats, but is certainly a hopeful indicator for the country. What you cannot understand is Republican and Democrat have nothing to do with the direction people want the country to take. Liberal and Conservative policies do. Yellow dogs in both parties are hopefully being overcome.

As I said before, hopefully this is a learning experience for the Republicans as the liberal they had running was not a viable candidate. If Republicans do not return to their conservative base, then they deserve to lose.

I really do not understand how you can be wrong all the time. It would seem the law of averages would be in your favor once in a while.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Keep marching towards the cliff.

How about restating those conservative issues in your words that you think a majority of Americans will endorse?

Anonymous said...

Yeah, John, march on.

Honest Debate said...

Guy,

This is a little dicey because if I understand you right, I profoundly disagree. So, let me say what you will most likely tell me doesn't need to be said. I completely respect your opinion whether I agree or not. This is not true of some other commenters who shall remain nameless. Also, this is THE most important issue facing the future of the Republican party as many Republicans hold your view. I draw certain conclusions from your statements that are confusing so, if you will indulge me I'd could use some clarification.

If I remember correctly you did vote for McCain and the conclusion I draw from your statements is that you regret that vote and will never again vote for the "lesser of two evils". I would understand it if McCain had won and screwed things up but why lament voting for the lesser of two evils if you don't think it's a good thing that Obama won? When you say, "In my opinion, it is going to take Republicans losing unless they return to conservatism in order to force that return", I conclude you are talking about McCain and 2008 because that's exactly what happened, we lost. Now after losing Conservatism is indeed returning as indicated by the elections last night. Conservatism actually was returning during the election but it was on the other side of the aisle with the "Blue Dogs". So, question #1 is: Do you think the Obama victory is a good thing because in the long run it will facilitate the "return to conservatism"? I certainly agree that Obama's victory will help conservatism in the long run but IMHO the price is too high.

The next and most confusing issue for me has to do with cost. You wrote: "We will never get better until we cut the cancer out. That may cause some pain. It may even kill the patient, but better a quick clean death than a slow one". Is the patient America or the Republican party? If I know anything I know that you are a true patriot, unequivocally. You can't possibly be advocating the death of American supremacy but isn't that what we are now facing? Isn't that the cost of letting the likes of Obama control our fate? Is it worth it? I just don't understand. It doesn't compute in my mind. I must be missing something or misunderstanding your position but I can draw no other conclusions from your statements.

Reader said...

Guy, I see what you are saying. When the republicans nominate someone who is worthy of a vote, you will vote for them. I felt the same with the local vote this time. Tim Wilson was not one who I wanted to cast a vote for, but did. I fell in the catagory of voting for the lesser of the two. McCain was not one who I wanted to vote for either. If Palin and McCain switched positions, I would have felt better voting for Palin and wonder if other would have felt the same.

The party has swayed toward liberalism...it stinks. Both liberal and so called conservative views are becoming intertwined. I don't understand why the change in the conservative party. Until the GOP understands how some of us feel, they will continue to lose voters.

Honest Debate said...

Speaking of Palin Reader, if McCain had won she would have been next up in the batters box. Now Biden is.

Sarkazein said...

"Keep marching towards the cliff."-POV


Major election losses, plummeting approval ratings, a dividing public. a dividing Democrat Party (Blue dogs vs Old Guard Liberals), unheard of deficit spending, thumb sitting rather than leading in the Afghanistan War, and the POV writes keep marching toward the cliff.

guy faulkes said...

Part 1

HD, you have made several astute observations. The first one that I need to address is McCain / Palin. I voted for Palin. I was not going to vote until she joined the ticket. My thoughts were that she was the only candidate on either ticket worthy of support. I know in all probability she would never have been President, but as they say, she was one heart beat away. This does not mean I wished any harm to McCain. It means that I was trying to make the best of a lose - lose situation. Also, she would have been a shoo in for the next race, either in 2012 or 2916.

When I talked about Republicans losing, I was not just referring to McCain. I meant every time they promote a liberal candidate they should lose. They became the "Me Too!" party of liberalism light.

When I was speaking of cutting out the cancer beingg a painful process and possibly killing the patient, I was referring to the Republican party. My apologies of the ambiguity of my statement.

However, the health of the conservative movement is directly related to the health of the country. As you have stated, we made a massive mistake by electing Obama and now we have to pay for it. The old saying that a country gets the government it deserves is very true. Unfortunately these was no way to win in the last election. I will give you the the fact the harm would have been less with McCain, but his liberal policies would still have hurt the country badly. We would continue on the road of "They will support us. Where else can they go?" forever. In this case and under the assumption the country will survive the Obama administration, then Obama's election was probably a good thing for the long term. It has brought things to a head. I am willing to suffer now so my grandson may not have to do so.

By going with the lesser of two evils, we do not accomplish anything positive. We prop up a failing party that has abandoned its base. I know you think we can correct this in primaries, but it is almost impossible to buck the socially liberal blue bloods that run the Republican party. The only way to get through to these "leaders" is to force them to realize that while conservatives may have a difficult time in winning with out the Republicans, the Republicans cannot win without the conservatives.

guy faulkes said...

Part 2

The Wolf and I were discussing this yesterday. In our opinions, the best thing that could happen to the country would be for conservative elected politicians of all parties to say "Enough is enough!" They need to leave both the Republican and Democrat party and form a new moderate / conservative party in which the loyalty of the politicians is to the people, not the party or big government. We are a center - right nation. A party such as this would be supported by the majority of Independents (true moderates, not traitors to their parties), the majority of Republicans, and a large number of Democrats. Of course, I am speaking of the public and those that really try to represent them, not the party leaders. They would all oppose this to their dieing breath. I also realize this is not going to happen, but I can dream.

To sum all of this up, the Republican party used to be conservative. We have given it many chances to return to that philosophy. It has chosen not to do so because we have propped it up by voting for the lesser of two evils. It has two choices as far as I am concerned. One is to quickly return to conservatism and it will flourish. The other is to continue its present course and try to be something that is slightly less liberal than the Democrats and really presents no choice in how we run government. As a matter of fact the second option lets government run us. If it chooses this later course, then I am not only for letting it die, I am for helping to kill it. If we do that, a conservative movement will take its place. I think this is already happening. It is going to be painful, but there is no stopping it now.

Thank you for the opportunity to have a meaningful discussion. I really enjoy the exchange of ideas that occurs when people of differing opinions can discuss issues without resorting to name calling and subterfuge. My apologies for being so long winded.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

Here in NC a former red state the GOP didn't do well ( see post on( Watauga Watch Blog http://www.wataugawatch.net/). In your own Very red state and city of Houston you may elect a openly gay Mayor. The conservative hard line will not sell any more except in isolates backwater pockets and with the internet there are fewer and fewer of these.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

How about restating those conservative issues in your words that you think a majority of Americans will endorse?

Sarkazein said...

POV-

This will be the third gay mayor of Houston. I will vote for her in the run-off because she is the lesser of two evils. Her challenger is a community agitator/organizer.

"isolated backwater...blah-blah....as in the Commonwealth of Virginia and New Jersey.

Honest Debate said...

Thanks for clearing things up Guy. Our disagreement appears to be more on tactics than substance. I'm over simplifying but it basically boils down to two issues the first being whether the country will survive the Obama administration. I think that is a very big if and it scares the hell out of me. I don't like playing with fire. The second issue is what's best, rebuilding the Republican party or going with a third party?

We certainly do get the government we deserve and I guess that's the underlying issue. The debate has not been honest, the premises are out of whack and Republicans are not only letting it happen they're playing along. That appears to be changing. I have hope.

One other thing to keep in perspective is that the Democrat party is in total and complete disarray. Comparatively, the Republicans are not nearly as divided and there are many rising stars (Michelle Bachmann, Sarah Palin, Bobby Jindal even our own Virginia Foxx to name a few) to the take the reins.

guy faulkes said...

How about restating those conservative issues in your words that you think a majority of Americans will endorse? - POV

Less intrusion into the individuals life, stopping the murder of innocent unborn babies, the protection of civil rights such as those described in the Bill of Rights, stopping criminal aliens from coming to this country and deporting those that are here, doing away with entitlement programs for those that do not need them, lowering taxes and the reform of the tax code, allowing competition across state lines concerning insurance companies. tort reform, support of our troops and military, combating terrorism, debunking the global climate change scam, promoting the clean and efficient use of all forms of energy and making us energy independent, cleaning up the misuse of organizations such as Acorn, doing away with pork laden legislation, etc. I would list more, but with your information retention disorder, these will be more than you can retain.

Sarkazein said...

POV- I guess what you are writing, is anyone Obama campaigned for LOST.

Liberal POV said...

GUY

"doing away with entitlement programs for those that do not need them, lowering taxes and the reform of the tax code, allowing competition across state lines concerning insurance companies. tort reform, support of our troops and military, combating terrorism"

Do the math!

http://www.unitedforpeace.org/downloads/_Where%20Your%20Income%20Tax%20Money%20Really%20Goes_,%20WRL,%202:09.pdf

http://www.whitcam.com/research/archives/332

http://www.warresisters.org/pages/piechart.htm

http://www.unpopularideas.com/journal/our-evil-federal-budget.html

http://www.visualizingeconomics.com/category/federal-budget/

Liberal POV said...

Guy

I forgot to add What you think you know just ain't so.

guy faulkes said...

POV, both you and your propaganda sites are hilarious. I feel sorry for you as your world is crumbling. However, it is better for the disaster to strike you world than the real one.

Oama campaigning for you is indeed the kiss of death. This will only increase as time goes on.

guy faulkes said...

HD, the country will survive Obama. It may take 50 years to undo the damage his administration has already caused, but you have to remember he has not yet succeeded in doing anything but spending money. When we get rid of him and restart the economy and jobs, things will improve. The most important thing is to prevent the huge bureaucracy that would be government run health care from being established. This bureaucracy will be hard to displace if it is created. We have never fully been able to get rid of these kinds of bureaucrats even though they are as useful as a running chainsaw in a canoe.

Reader said...

I agree with you Guy. If a conservative party is formed, I will most assuredly take a look.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

What Prapaganda? These are pie charts showing you don't have a clue as to what you're bloging about.

Most of the US budget goes to the military, servicing the debt, Social Security and Medicare.
Do the math.

guy faulkes said...

POV, how do you create a pie chart? Do you not select data that is to be shown on the chart? Do the people that create the chart choose which data to use? Do you know the definition of propaganda?

Honest Debate said...

Guy,

I hope you are right but if we do survive I think 50 years is a low estimate. It's not so much the money he has spent (although that's awful enough) it's the power he's given to China in doing so. He traded Poland's security for help with Iran from Russia and got hoodwinked. Russia has gained power. Ditto Iran. Ditto Al Qaida and Taliban. The number of people dependent on government is increasing and that genie is very hard to put back in the bottle. Even though it was a liberal for liberal trade, he got his judge on the Supreme Court. Pray for the continued health of Roberts, Alito, Thomas, Scalia and the swing voting Kennedy. I'm not quite as optimistic as you but it may be unfounded. As a practical matter you are correct in that most of the tangible achievements can be still undone.

Liberal POV said...

HD
How long do you think it will take to recover from Bush Cheney?
Those on thee right argue Obama should have done it in the first year. We are on our way but have a long way to go.

BikerBard said...

Liberal POV:
The rules here are simple. If YOU name a source, it's (notice that apostrophe, Sark) propaganda. If THEY SAY it, it's (again) gospel.

Again, I admire your tenacity. I hope you enjoy this.

BikerBard said...

Here's more propaganda for y'all.
It's (notice again, Sark) an "Oatz Special" (cut & paste) you will enjoy! Have at it ladies!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30745624/ns/politics-white_house/

Liberal POV said...

BB

Sometime its fun just to see how silly they can get and what they can believe.
Things like death panels, Obama's a Muslim, Universal Health Care (which the current bills are a long ways from ) would destroy the country, Sarah Palin could effectively run the country, Ms Foxx is a good congress woman, conservative political polices work, knowledge about sex could harm teenagers,The Easter Bunny?

Honest Debate said...

Does anyone know what these two tools are talking about?

guy faulkes said...

Does anyone know what these two tools are talking about? - HD

Their religious beliefs in liberalism at the altar of Obama.

Honest Debate said...

Amen.