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Monday, November 16, 2009

Holder's and Obama's Hidden Agenda in Bringing Terrorists to N. Y.

The continuing investigations of Bush-era counterterrorism policies (i.e., the policies that kept us safe from more domestic terror attacks), coupled with the Holder Justice Department's obsession to disclose classified national-defense information from that period, enable Holder to give the hard Left the "reckoning" that he and Obama promised during the 2008 campaign. It would be too politically explosive for Obama/Holder to do the dirty work of charging Bush administration officials; but as new revelations from investigations and declassifications are churned out, Leftist lawyers use them to urge European and international tribunals to bring "torture" and "war crimes" indictments.
THE REAL AGENDA

133 comments:

Liberal POV said...

Blogger

Were War crimes committed?

What's your definition of a war crime?

If this torture and human rights abuse had been committed on Americans Government by some foreign government would we want that leader charged?

How is this different?

Do you deny what took place?

Liberal POV said...

Blogger

So there's no confusion I will correct the above post.

If this torture and human rights abuse had been committed on Americans by some foreign government would we want that leader charged?

Sarkazein said...

Blogger-
I hadn't thought of that angle. It makes a lot of sense.
Discovery will be hell for this country's security. This country and it's history is who they hate. Terrorists...not so much.

War crimes are prosecuted by tribunal by the victor.
At-least they got it half right.

They tell a lie long enough and it becomes the truth, it rings true here. Our government, the CIC President, the overseers in Congress, all agree it was enhanced interrogation while it was happening, then the Left lies over and over and calls it torture until it is a truth.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

If same torture and human rights abuse had been committed on Americanssome as young as 14 by some foreign government would we want that leader charged?

Sarkazein said...

POV-

First I would have to believe the lie you believe. Ain't gonna happen.
Let's see what the victors in the war decide. Yours/terrorists side.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

I see you are much more comfortable with the conservative myths and propaganda than reality.

What documentation would you like?

Under the freedom of information it's mostly all there except the really offensive material to shocking and shameful to be released. Hundreds of photos already released plus white house documents with a clear trail to Bush and Cheney.


Bush and Cheney had no problem throwing poor grunt men and women ranking no higher than sargent under the bus for Cheney's sadistic policies.

Face reality.

guy faulkes said...

There is no wonder POV is ecstatic. Of course there have been no war crimes. However, as POV is a confirmed supporter of terrorists and reviles this country, he is happy to support any agenda that would weaken us. POV cannot point to a single "war crime? or torture incident. He claims many things to be that which they are not.

I seriously doubt this country would have interfered with the treatment of American terrorists caught killing civilians in a foreign country. If so, we would be wrong to do so.POV, I am proud of you. You came up with some new drivel.

Blogger said...

I am freaking out as the left sells out our country and here is Liberal POV thinking it is a good thing. What planet are we on?

Blogger said...

Andy McCarthy's Hidden Agenda theory is the first thing I have read that makes any sense out of what looked like insanity.

Sarkazein said...
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guy faulkes said...

Blogger

We are on a planet called Reality. Pov is on a planet called Liberalism. Hey! Do you suppose this would make him an illegal alien? That would certainly explain a lot of things.

There is no doubt that the country is in for dark days ahead due to the sell out by the left. However, we will recover and the backlash from liberal policies today is going to make us stronger for years to come.

I put this on the wrong thread earlier. Sorry.

Liberal POV said...

Blogger, Sark, Guy

If the same treatment of torture and human rights abuse had been committed on Americans some as young as 14 by some foreign government would we want that leader charged?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/torture/view/

Can you not answer this simple question?

BikerBard said...

Is the terminology "enhanced interrogation" perhaps, the "lie" which needs to be repeated over & over by the "righties?"

Liberal POV said...

Blogger

Are you going to stay cuddled up with your myths?

That take time to watch the frontline video it may cure some of that myth.


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/torture/view/

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"If the same treatment of torture and human rights abuse had been committed on Americans some as young as 14 by some foreign government would we want that leader charged?"

This statement, like all statements of confirmed socialist sheep (you), generates false and misleading premises with which to ask an equally false and misleading question.

Torture and human rights abuses? Come again. Name one instance of torture or abuse that our soldiers engaged in against enemy soldiers. Are you now an expert in the instruments of war my idiot of a socialist friend? LOL!!

So then socialist POV, does this mean Patton was wrong in allowing American soldiers to give farm implements to death camp survivors to bludgeon German death camp guards with? Or the firebombing of Tokyo which incinerated hundreds of thousands of women and children. Or, since your own existance is reserved by the blood shed of those women and children, you are going to pass judgement on the actions of American soldiers who have done nothing more than keep you secure? Isn't that called hypocrisy? LOL!! Like every other thread I have pounded your now defunct ego with, including those several which saw my banishment from Watauga Watch, this one probably won't be answered either. Hard questions, hard questions.

Or you could simply dismiss this whole pounding session by agreeing with your pal Ahmainijad (Iranian President you idiot) that the holocaust never happened. LOL!! You run with some pretty contemptuous company, you know that POV. Apart from the above, you agree with Chavez, Castro, Tricycle Lard and many other limp minded cohort troglydytes,yet are unable, ever, to anwer why.

If the same torture and human rights abuses had been committed by enemy soldiers against American Soldiers, you would .........wait....oh yeah..... that already does happen. In fact it also happens to American citizens living in the homeland as well as soldiers abroad. And what do you say about THOSE abuses? That is correct Liberal Socialist POV, you don't. Having a voice doesn't mean the dribble you proclaim is right!!!

LOL. That was easy. This ought to be interesting. Will POV answer to this post, pass it off to cheerleader Tricylce Lard, or ignore it. Any which way he chooses, he loses. LOL!!!!!!!

Your ole pal
Johnny Rico

Gary

PS I read an article today on Drudge which highlighted the fact that firebrand women such as myself are really giving it to the fringe left (POV, Tricyle Lard, etc). Guess they got that one right!!!! LOL!!!!!

Johnny Rico said...

Any other fringe left powder puffs care to take a shot at the title? tee hee.

BikerBard said...

"...firebrand women such as myself" - REEK-O

Nice try. "You lie!" The only thing female about you is hanging with the homegirls on this site. LOL!

PS: I'll bet your last rant really messed up your nail polish.

Liberal POV said...

HD, Blogger and GOP

Notice the comment from Johnny Rico.

That's your base! That's where the hate addiction can lead. This person has OD on anger.

Could any of you make sense of the post?

guy faulkes said...

I notice neither POv nor BB attempted to counter any of Rico's statements except for BB's opinion on Rico's sex. Given BB's supposed sexual orientation preference, his opinion is understandable. He may very well fear women that hold strong opinions.

Sarkazein said...

Thank you Johnny Rico for your comment on the Left's (POV's) use of questions with false and/or misleading questions. I don't think he knows what he does as he is completely brain-washed. I once commented that I thought POV's comments were soft-ware generated as no one real person could be that wrong, that often, on every political and moral subject. He's too consistently wrong to be human.

Liberal POV said...

Guy and Sark

I notice you avoid the moral issue.

If the same treatment of torture and human rights abuse had been committed on Americans some as young as 14 by some foreign government would you want that leader charged?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/torture/view/

Can you not answer this simple question?

guy faulkes said...

POV, there is no moral issue other than in your deluded mind.

As you once agian have demonstaed you information retention disorder, I will paste the answer to your question I already provided in a previous post on this thread.

"I seriously doubt this country would have interfered with the treatment of American terrorists caught killing civilians in a foreign country. If so, we would be wrong to do so.POV,"

Focus, POV, focus.

Sarkazein said...

Slightly related:

Alexandra Frean, US Business Correspondent


Smith & Wesson, the famed American gunmaker once owned by Tomkins, the British conglomerate, expects to nearly double its annual sales in the next three to five years as demand for its firearms soars in the recession. It is not alone.

All over America demand for firearms and ammunition is rising amid concerns that rising unemployment, which passed 10 per cent this month, will lead inexorably to higher rates of crime. Fears of terrorism have also helped to lift demand, as have concerns among gun owners that the Obama Administration may introduce restrictions on gun ownership and impose additional taxes.///

Obowma, the world's greatest gun salesman. More of Obowma's legacy.. hugely increased private gun ownership. Who would have thought it?????

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Myths in your comments. One most of those torture were not terrorist just citizens in their homes or pick up under Rumsfelts and Dick Cheney's policy.

Torture is a crime and human rights abuse.

"I seriously doubt this country would have interfered with the treatment of American terrorists caught killing civilians in a foreign country. "

How do you define terrorist and who decides?

Your simple answers don't work.

The soldier that was convicted in KY of raping a 14 year old Iraqi girl and killing her family then burning the bodies. Would that be a terrorist act?

The political leaders that ordered torture of inocent citizens in Iraq and Afganastan in an attempt to find weapons of mass destruction that didn't exsist would that be terrorism or just a war crime?

guy faulkes said...

POV, you are incredible. Accusing our troops of being terrorists because of the criminal actions of an individual is insane. Every group has people that commit criminal acts. In some groups the majority of these people commit criminal acts without being terrorists. Take Obama's czars and cabinet for example. A terrorist is a member of a group that unlawfully tries to use violence to control people. The legitimate use of violence is not terrorism.

Weapons of mass destruction certainly existed. Saddam used them on his own people. Cite me a proven case of any terrorist act committed under orders by our troops in Iraq.

There is an old saying "If you won't stand behind our troops, you should stand in front of them." The meaning was you should be used as a shield for their safety. The more you talk, the more I wonder if you should not stand in front of them before a wall with a cigarette and a blindfold as would befit a traitor.

guy faulkes said...

POV, I did not answer your first paragraph because it makes no sense. If you make it comprehensible, I might answer you.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Most of those tortured were not terrorist just citizens in their homes or picked up under Rumsfelts and Dick Cheney's policy.

"A terrorist is a member of a group that unlawfully tries to use violence to control people. "

" Cite me a proven case of any terrorist act committed under orders by our troops in Iraq."

Watch the frontline video http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/torture/view/

and see the presure from Cheney and Rumsfelt to get tuffer and Whitehouse torture memos google "Whitehouse torture memos"

Reader said...

Lib, what do you think needs to be done with the terrorists that going to be in NY? Do we need to let them go? What happened at Abu Ghriab was wrong. I think the men and women were charged weren't they? I don't get the point you are trying to make...please explain.

Liberal POV said...

Reader

" What happened at Abu Ghriab was wrong. I think the men and women were charged weren't they? I don't get the point you are trying to make...please explain."

This is the really sad part you, Guy and I say we support the troops.

Those that went to jail were just grunt soldiers that took the fall for Rumfelts and Cheney's policy. They were the one told to soften up the prisoners and were there while photos were being taken. Top officers were there all the time see what was gong on including Rumsfelt on inspection.the low ranking enlisted men and women were thrown under the bus to take the public outrage. Those type things were happening all over Iraq and Afghanistan and started at GITMO at the urging of the white house and Rumsfelt.

Watch the Frontline video. I know its long but worth it.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/torture/view/

If for no other reason than being too cowardly to take responsibility for their polices Bush Admin ( Rumsfelt and Cheyenne ) should stand trail for war crimes, let the evidence be presented.

BikerBard said...

Faulkes:
Are you still hitting on me? I told you, I don't swing your way. Besides, I sure your advances towards me is getting Sark very jealous.

Read my post again girlfriend. I questioned Rico's honesty. You I KNOW to be a liar. LOL!

guy faulkes said...

BB, I realize you do not swing my way. I am a heterosexual. Where is your proof as to Rico's honesty?

POV, that which you call torture is not. Therefore you have no argument.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

"POV, that which you call torture is not. Therefore you have no argument."

If what you say is true the courts will find Rumsfelt and Cheney not guilty.

Lets let the courts decide.

guy faulkes said...

First they will have to be charged with a crime. No crime has been committed for which to charge them.

Sarkazein said...

Flame on Bard.

liberal POV said...

Guy

Have you watched the frontline video?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/torture/view/

Do you just like being misinformed?

You have no problem with what the Bush Admin did to the enlisted men and women?

BikerBard said...

Faux:
You're a heterosexual? (guffaw) Really? Just because you said so? Nice cover, I'l bet you are married, too. Your beard, as they say. Oh, and you're a manly man, wondering about my sexuality? Stepping in to protect his new girl, Rico, while leaving his old girl, Sark, panting for his return. You are a real winner, sweetheart. Kisses to the Missus!LOL!

Nobody said...

A liberal caller on Hannity today could have been POV because he said almost the same thing. Started out saying that a trial was the right thing for Khalid Sheik Muhammad - 9/11 mastermind. Under questioning, he got around to saying that a trial of the terrorists might "finally get to the truth of Rumsfeld's and Cheney's involvement" in what went on at Gitmo. Typical. Justice for the one person who has admitted to being the mastermind of 9/11 is SECONDARY to "getting" Cheney and Rumsfeld.

Sarkazein said...

Nobody-

All you mentioned, done without concern for the nation's security. No matter how bad the motives or actions of the child-like Obama, the far Left (POV and others) will defend him. What turns out to be the wrong thing done by the Bush administration, was to keep the country safe and comfortable, because the cowardly Left came up from under their rocks when they figured it was all clear, and started attacking, in their warped way, all the people who protected them in time of war.
If the war ain't over, they will soon slither back under their rocks and cower again while patriots from the Military, CIA, FBI and conservative politicians defend their worthless selves.

Liberal POV said...

Nobody

You're not troubled by Rumsfelt and Cheney letting low ranking poor grunt soldiers that the rap for their Iraq , GITMO and Afghanistan prisoner treatment policy?

Have you watched the frontline video?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/torture/view/

I know it's long but but detailed covers the larger pictureand worth your while.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

How much time did Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfelt, Rush Limbaugh have in uniform?

Speaking of cowards why was Rumsfelt afraid to own up to his prisoner treatment policy and let grunt low ranking enlisted men and women go to jail to take the heat off of himself?

If you really support the troops you can't support the cowards Rumsfelt and Cheney.

These human rights abuses and torture have energized the extremist.

Do you really think shedding light on the abuse and torture is how the extremist found out about those abuses?

Those storied and those that we don't yet know about were known in the rest of the world from eye witnesses.

Sarkazein said...

POV-

Put on your listening ears..... THEY DID GOOD STUFF NOT BAD! Your questions only makes sense to you and other ungrateful terrorist supporting Leftists.

Sarkazein said...

POV wrote-"These human rights abuses and torture have energized the extremist."

Did they have more energy pre and including 9/11 or after 6 years of the great satan kicking their rags off their heads all over the world?

Liberal POV said...

Sark

"Did they have more energy pre and including 9/11 or after 6 years of the great satan kicking their rags off their heads all over the world?"

Good question!

Pre 9/11 they were less than 5000 world wide with few supporter.

After 9/11 the whole world was aligned with the United States. Bush and Cheney wasted all of that good will with the invasion of Iraq and Abu Graiba, GITMO.


You from texas should understand what "Remember the Alamo " did for the cause of Texes Independence.

Al Qeada now recruits with slogans of Abu Graiba and GITMO. Cheney, Rumsfelt and Bush were Osama Bin Ladin's best weapon.

I have no idea Al Qeada strength now but feel sure it's much stronger.

Sarkazein said...

POV-

Honest Debate said...

But why? I don't doubt the "hidden agenda" but why have the agenda? Is the idea of U.S. supremacy or exceptionalism that crazy to them? Do they really feel that guilty? Is it the whole "one world order" thing? Are they just stupid? What?

Blogger said...

Honest Debate To your questions about liberal motivations, the answer is "all of the above."

Sarkazein said...

"You from texas should understand what "Remember the Alamo " did for the cause of Texes Independence."POV


Yeah, Alqeada...Texans...that's the same. Quest for Independence/liberty...murdering innocents purposely to effect political change... yeah, that's the same.

Johnny Rico aka one hot chick said...

Liberal Socialist POV and Tricycle Lard (Cheerleader),

You two Troglygytes have some answering to do!!! LOL!! Only the truth will set you two sheep free. Here they are in numerical order so you can understand a little easier what is being asked (you probably won't understand anything as most socialist sheep barely know how to feed themselves).

1. Name one instance of torture or abuse that our soldiers engaged in against enemy soldiers.

2. Was Patton was wrong in allowing American soldiers to give farm implements to death camp survivors to bludgeon German death camp guards with?

3. By what you are saying about the current conflict, the firebombing of Tokyo, which incinerated hundreds of thousands of women and children, was a terrorist act perptrated by Roosevelt, right?

4. Roosevelt, like Cheney, should be held accountable for those women and children who really didn't have to die (it would have only cost 1 million US soldiers lives).

5. What do you say about the abuses committed against US citizens and US soldiers both in the homeland and abroad. Let's see, you want to sit down and talk it over with Osama?

6. Do you and Tricycle tell returning US soldiers (the same kind you spit on returning from Vietnam) that they are not fighting a "good war"? In fact, just exactly what do you tell them to their faces?

LOL!! This ought to be interesting.

And Tricycle Lard, as I am putting makeup on and fixing my rather luxerious nails this morning, I pause to wonder why a strong independent woman who expresses her own thoughts is suddenly being villified by those who cannot bring a counter arguement to the contrary?

LOL!!

Your dearest pal
Johnny Rico

Liz

Blogger said...

From article by Michael Gerson in Townhall: "Wartime American presidents such as Abraham Lincoln and Franklin Roosevelt have understood that the Constitution is not a suicide pact. So enemy combatants consistently have been judged by a different and harsher legal standard than American citizens. Whatever his initial assurances, Holder does not believe America is at war with terrorists. Even worse, he seems determined to undermine those who do."

Liberal POV said...

Blogger

Did you watch the Frontline Video?

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/torture/view/

Notice military and FBI experts say that torture did not work.

These human rights abuses motivated and assisted recruitment for the extremist and cost more American lives.

These Human rights abuses turned the world against the United States.

Notice the cowards Dick Cheney, and Donald Rumsfelt that pushed for this harsh treatment went AWOL when the shit hit the fan. They let enlisted men and women go to prison for executing their gloves off policy. Their finding scape goats in the enlisted men and women doesn't bother you?

guy faulkes said...

POV, yawn yet again,

Liberal POV said...

Guy and Blogger

You guys want to admit wrong was done to the enlisted men and women caring out mistakes of the Bush Iraq war.

Liberal POV said...

Blogger and Guy

Just skip over those facts laid out by Frontline as they get in the way of your myths and misinformation.

Blogger said...

Eric Holder just told a senate panel that he was moving the trial to a Federal Court because he was sure that he could then get a conviction.

Sen. Kyle hit Holder then with this: How can he possibly say that when KSM has already confessed his guilt to the military tribunal so as a matter of fact, in a military court, he is already convicted.

Holder is evil.

Liberal POV said...

Blogger

Do you want to form a lynch mob just like the old south or do you want the institutions of law and hopely justice?

Sarkazein said...

Blogger wrote by Gerson: "Whatever his initial assurances, Holder does not believe America is at war with terrorists."
Also in Holder's testimony today he admitted that the country is at war.
Judge Napolitano FOX, said the only reason he agrees with Holder's/Obowma's decision to grant civil rights to the terrorists is because Congress has not declared war.
Congress has declared war, at least enough to where the AG agrees we are at war, and the fact that we are at war.
Lawyers stepping all over themselves in a mad rush to avoid truth and common sense.

Blogger said...

In an interview with NBC News, Obama said those offended by the legal privileges given to Mohammed by virtue of getting a civilian trial rather than a military tribunal won't find it "offensive at all when he's convicted and when the death penalty is applied to him."

Once again our toy boy president stuck his foot in it. He claimed he is making this trial a show case of American justice. A good part of the world have dictators as their leaders and assume that our president has the same powers as their leaders have.

So, a big chunk of the world hearing what he said, will believe the president has already tried and convicted KSM and that everything else is theater.

It’s what we get for allowing children in the White House.

Sarkazein said...

Blogger-

I had deleted one of my comments on this thread about this kind of comment from Obowma/Holder. At that time, an Alqeada propagandist, I believe will take these comments by Obowma/Holder and declare the NYC trial to be a show trial. Giving no credibility to the word so incorrectly used by the Left...JUSTICE.
If the President is so sure of a conviction, then if there is a conviction, to the terrorists it was/is rigged. How could they not know this and many other pre-trial factors when they are both lawyers?

I knew it was going to be bad, Obowma's election, but not this bad so fast.

The Left incorrectly wanted the terrorists to be given POW status. It is against the Geneva Convention to have "show trials". POWs can only be tried for crimes committed while in captivity, not for being the enemy. War crimes are handled by tribunal.
These two goof-balls are lost in the woods, our country is screwed.

Liberal POV said...

Blogger

Justice is just not your thing is it. Do you want a death panel called a mob?

Liberal POV said...

HD and Blogger

This is an interesting fact Khalid Sheikh Mohammed attended a Baptist College in NC.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=120516152

BikerBard said...

Rico/Shirley/RuPaul/Skitzo:
I'll bet they just love you here at this site. Keep on ranting! LOL!

Sarkazein said...

Expect Obowma to finally announce the end of his General McChrystal/US troop boycott to distract from the terrorist NYC fiasco.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

You sure fit the GOP ( Grumpy Old Prune ) image.

Stop worry this is not the first criminal we have had in the United States. Fox news has you near panic don't be afraid, it will be okay Sark. Those damn people shouldn't frighten people like you just to get high ratings.

You people sound so silly and frightened.

More people have die this year from H1N1 then 9/11 and we aren't panicking.
Get things in prospective they can't hurt us as much as the war in Iraq and Afghanistan has hurt us.
Quit whining Sark, you don't sound very Texan.
Have you tried a laxative?

Sarkazein said...

"More people have die this year from H1N1 then 9/11 and we aren't panicking."-POV

Sarkazein said...

RUSH made a good point today about the lack of
A Miranda warning in these cases combined with Obowma stating to the world that the terrorist was "tortured" could set a precedence for all future court cases where actual criminals don't get their Miranda warning IF as Obowma says, they will be found guilty.

BikerBard said...

Sark, Blogger, HD, Faux, et al:

"Assume a virtue, if you have it not." - William Shakespeare

Honest Debate said...

Blogger,

As you've often written, it really does come down to liberals inability to comprehend evil. The most common manifestation is denying the existence of the war on terror. That mindset is so very dangerous. The paradigm has shifted and it's no longer safe to assume the oppression inflicted by generationally brainwashed madmen on millions of individual unique souls, complete with their specific hopes and dreams, will not affect us if ignored. It will. Call it "Nation building" if you must but 9/11 changed things. They're at war with us whether we realize it or not and we better win. If we don't shape the world they will. Navigating the perils ahead is one thing but someone needs to make sure good defeats evil and lead the world to that end. Plain and simple. If not America, who?

And we have clowns.

Liberal POV said...

HD

You are like the person who see a snake and runs off a cliff in fear and panic.

Easy up on the fear mongering,

Reader said...

Lib, let me reiterate my stance on what I said I didn't agree with at Abu Ghriab. The pictures that surfaced with the soldiers I didn't agree with. The interrogation by waterboarding, I do.

Liberal POV said...

Conservatives


Terrorism is a tactic not a people and only works if the terrorist can generate fear and panic. The Bush Admin., Rush, Fox news and Blogs like this have assisted the terrorist in accomplishing their goal of creating fear and panic among the American people. Why?

Stop helping the terrorist achieve their goal. Quit fear mongering. Sell courage instead of fear.

Liberal POV said...

Reader


It DIDN'T work! It's not in our interest. Who gets to decide who and how much to torture?
It's not about them it who we are as a people.
Do you believe we are a better people than the extremist?
We don't or shouldn't torture.
What you saw in the photos of Abu Ghriab similar mistreatment was happening all over Iraq at the time. As Rumsfelt had sent word to take the gloves off letting the genie out of the bottle.
I hope you watched the frontline video as its does a great job of showing how things got out of control.
Should enlisted men and women go to prison while those like Rumsfelt and Cheney who set the overall policy go free?

Sarkazein said...

56% of Obowma's diplomatic appointees are large political donors or political appointees.
The Liberal sheep will say "All Presidents do that, even Bush".
When do the liberal sheep realize the campaign slogan CHANGE was for suckers?

guy faulkes said...

POV, ho hummmmm....

Liberal POV said...

Guy

"POV, ho hummmmm...."

Is that the only answers you have?

Run from the facts.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

Want to change the subject?

BikerBard said...

Liberal POV:
Those who endorse torture lack a moral center. "The ends justify the means" At the cost of one's humanity.

Liberal POV said...

BB

These people just want to use the slogan "Support the Troops" What they really mean is support the Republicans.

Reader said...

With each year that goes by Lib, we are becoming a nation, that terrorists know they can control.
Does it bother you at all what they do to us? It's not a game. Waterboarding as far as I know has not been used but on a select few...the few that could cause the most harm.

Lib, we have very different views on torture. Mine starts with innocent children. They rely on adults to bring them into the world alive.

We will never agree on what torture actually is. We all have different views. You choose to fight for the enemy. I choose to do the opposite and fight for the ones who fight for freedom and life.

Liberal POV said...

Reader

No, you're helping the enemy spread fear and destroy American values of Justice, freedom.
You fail to stand up for the institutions of civilization, the Magna Carta dating back to 1215.
You support becoming them.
Stop spreading fear, turn off Fox the real fear monger.
Have courage reader that's the only tool to defeat terrorism.
Terrorism is a tactic of creating fear and panic by a small group against a huge population to achieve political objectives. Stop helping them to be successful.
Stop following the chicken hawks Rove, Rush, O'Reilly, and Cheney these men are cowards.

guy faulkes said...

POV is a supporter of terrorism that wants to make this country either socialist or communist. Lately he has shown more of the traits of the latter. POV does not care how many innocent people are killed as long as we do nothing that would cause harm to the terrorists. Also, he wants to be the entity that decides what response to terrorism (which he supports) is permissible.

Reader, there is no use in bringing up the murders of innocent unborn children to POV. He is also in favor of these murders.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Did you catch Sarah Palin the other morning when ask if she would have allowed Bristol to have an abortion? Her comment was " I would have tried to talk her out of it" meaning she supported Bristol's right to a choice.

Freedom is not dictating your religious beliefs on others. Many Catholics believe birth control is morally wrong.

Abortions will not stop if outlawed, they will only become unsafe and young women will die.

guy faulkes said...

Abortions will not stop if outlawed, they will only become unsafe and young women will die. - POV

You cannot stop a committed murderer from committing the crime. You can make it so hard that one that is not committed to the act of killing will not do so for convenience sake. When one dies in the act of committing a murder, is that not commonly called justice? The unsung and unpunished criminals are the people that encourage young women to murder their unborn. This is a shame as they are at least conspirators to the murder.

As the form of murder called abortion is now legal, Palin would have had no legal way other than try to reason with her daughter to prevent her daughter from committing this murder. Her daughter would have been aided and abetted in this homicide by those such as you.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

I see your the voice of reason today.

Reader said...

Being a moral person has nothing to do with religion Lib. Whether we choose to do evil or good, we all deal with the consequences. The terrorists consequences are undesirable to them. They should have thought about it beforehand.
Lib, I can't take anything you say seriously, when you constantly rally for murderers.

guy faulkes said...

POV, thank you for recognizing that fact. However, the word is you're, not your.

Liberal POV said...

Reader

Do you believe terrorist acts are more effective when wide spread fear is generated?

Why help generate that fear?

Sarkazein said...

More young people PRACTICE for what Obowma is making the inevitable.

Another Repub Zombie said...

Liberal POV:
You terrorist, you communist, you socialist, you, you, LEFTY LIBERAL! Foster the Fear!

Professor Johnny Rico said...

Dear class (Liberal Socialist Sheep and Tricycle Lard Cheerleader,

As we call today's class to order, our topic will be "Why it is not good to ignore questions that cannot be answered by the liberal thought process."

Instead of assigning an essay to you two socialists to try and explain your way out of an indefensible position, we will instead list a series of questions. By your answering these questions, we will be able to deduce much in terms of how far in the liberal chasm you have fallen. Failure to answer these questions automatically sends you to the very bottom which means, as is always the case with liberals on the run, you fail. So class, here they are:


1. Name one instance of torture or abuse that our soldiers engaged in against enemy soldiers.

2. Was Patton was wrong in allowing American soldiers to give farm implements to death camp survivors to bludgeon German death camp guards with?

3. By what you are saying about the current conflict, the firebombing of Tokyo, which incinerated hundreds of thousands of women and children, was a terrorist act perptrated by Roosevelt, right?

4. Roosevelt, like Cheney, should be held accountable for those women and children who really didn't have to die (it would have only cost 1 million US soldiers lives).

5. What do you say about the abuses committed against US citizens and US soldiers both in the homeland and abroad. Let's see, you want to sit down and talk it over with Osama?

6. Do you and Tricycle tell returning US soldiers (the same kind you spit on returning from Vietnam) that they are not fighting a "good war"? In fact, just exactly what do you tell them to their faces?

LOL!! This ought to be interesting.

The silence is deafening my space cadets!!!!!!!

Your dearest pal
Johnny Rico


PS I had one of my boyfriends read over this post for brevity and clarity purposes, and he told me that you two are probably abject failures in life, and that because of this answering these questions is far beyond you limited cognitive abilities. Is this true?

LOL!!!!!

Gaither

guy fauleks said...

BB, you do not need to post under other names. It is useless unless you change your style of writing. This will be difficult because you are probably writing as skillfully as you are able. If you write less skillfully, no one will be able to comprehend what you say.

Professor Johnny Rico said...

Class. Silence is golden. It also denotes that the liberal socialist sheep have given up on this one. LOL!!!!

Any other libertards want to take a shot at the title?

Your ole pal

J.R.

Liberal POV said...

Johnny R

Isn't time for your meds as the guards return you to your cell?

Simon Jester said...

Rico has silenced POV like he said he would.

Liberal POV said...

Simon Jester

Johnny's not coherent enough to engage, but did you have something on your mind? I won't waste my time there, Guy and Sark waste enough.

Human Rights abuse?
Torture?
Chicken Hawks?
Rumsfelt scapegoating enlisted men and women for caring out his war policy?

The Frontline Program ?http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/torture/view

Simon Jester said...

POV is smart not to waste his time trying to argue with Rico. Rico has destroyed him.

Liberal POV said...

SJ

You make my point Conservatives and about destruction not ideas or finding solutions.

Does that make you proud?

guy faulkes said...

POV, if your first sentence was coherent, SJ might could answer it.

Simon Jester said...

Keep running from Rico, POV. Trying to change the subject just shows she beat you in the argument. Answer her questions if you can. You can't.

Liberal POV said...

Sj

"1. Name one instance of torture or abuse that our soldiers engaged in against enemy soldiers."

All were civilians that I know of.
"2. Was Patton was wrong in allowing American soldiers to give farm implements to death camp survivors to bludgeon German death camp guards with?"
Yes, if it happened. Would you have wanted the men and women at GITMO or Abu Graiba Bludgeon because of decisions of Rumsfelt?
3. By what you are saying about the current conflict, the firebombing of Tokyo, which incinerated hundreds of thousands of women and children, was a terrorist act perpetrated by Roosevelt, right?

Not the same. Not sure it was right or necessary.

4. Roosevelt, like Cheney, should be held accountable for those women and children who really didn't have to die (it would have only cost 1 million US soldiers lives).

Roosevelt die before the war ended.

"5. What do you say about the abuses committed against US citizens and US soldiers both in the homeland and abroad. Let's see, you want to sit down and talk it over with Osama? "

I have no clue what you're referring to?

"6. Do you and Tricycle tell returning US soldiers (the same kind you spit on returning from Vietnam) that they are not fighting a "good war"? In fact, just exactly what do you tell them to their faces?"

Asshole, I was in uniform during that time (Vietnam) where were you?

SJ like I said earlier the conservative are all about destruction not ideas or solving problems.

Guy did you understand it take time?

Sarkazein said...

"5. What do you say about the abuses committed against US citizens and US soldiers both in the homeland and abroad. Let's see, you want to sit down and talk it over with Osama? "

I have no clue what you're referring to?-POV


Tells it all.

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist POV,

At least you tried to answer. Even though you have personified all that is wrong with America, you at least put forth a viewpoint and corresponding arguements. Notice I did not call you a Sheep. The reason for this is due to the fact you hitched up your trousers and trudge on even though it was into oblivion. Good job.

1. Liberal POV said: All were civilians that I know of.

The folks in Iraq and Afghanistan who were trying to kill Americans and US Soldiers during a war are civilians that you know of? Very strange arriving at that conclusion. They (the Muslim Extremists) are even calling it a Jihadist War. What focal point are you looking through to arrive at the "innocent civilians" approach? What more could they do to make themselves soldiers and not civilians? The Japs whom we incinerated in WWII were much less soldiers than those Muslim Extremists held at Gitmo.

2. Liberal POV said: Yes, if it happened. Would you have wanted the men and women at GITMO or Abu Graiba Bludgeon because of decisions of Rumsfelt?

This is pretty scary and extreme. You are comparing Donald Rumsfeld and the millions of Americans who supported his decisions (and continue to) to Nazis. I thought the bellwether of your party (Pelosi) didn't like the Nazi comparasion. Guess it's ok to do when it suits a liberal. So Patton's decision to pardon everyone involved was wrong? Then if it was wrong, how come the liberal history rewriters haven't latched onto that one as well as the hundreds of thousands of women, children and babies we incincerated in WWII?

Your above comparasion illustrates the loathing you liberal fringe left wacks have for real Americans and American soldiers. Very scary and full of hate!!

3. Liberal POV said: Not the same. Not sure it was right or necessary.

So the killing of innocent women, children, retards, invalids, babies and other innocents is not a terrorist act by Roosevelt? How in the world does that differ from what is going on in Iraq or Afghanistan?

You are not sure the Tokyo firebombings, Nagasaki and Hiroshima nuke blasts were right or necessary? Why are you unsure? So you say it was ok for one million Americans to lose their lives storming Japan? Are you sure you really believe this or are you just being stubborn. I think the latter as surely no one would be3lieve it is ok to throw away one million Americans vs firebombing a country. Wow!!

4. Liberal POV said: Roosevelt die before the war ended

But he should be held accountable posthumously for his terrorist actions right?

5. Liberal POV said: I have no clue what you're referring to?


See Sark's comments

6. Liberal POV said: Asshole, I was in uniform during that time (Vietnam) where were you?

I was dreaming about what it would be like to be a US soldier defending his/her country against all enemies foreign and domestic. What I was not doing was protesting against the very institutions which made this country great. What I was not doing was portraying enemy soldiers as poor, victimized civilians. If you were really in Nam, you sure didn't learn much about anything except traitorous conduct!!!

Your ole pal
Johnny Rico

Sarkazein said...

Is there a Nam, Tennessee or a Nam, Kentucky?

Simon Jester said...

POV, you should have kept running. Rico and Sark made you look like a fool. Wait a minute. Maybe the good Lord beat them to it.

Johnny Rico said...

Thanks Simon

Liberal POV said...

Simon Jester

Why are you running? What's on your mind?

Liberal POV said...

JR

"They (the Muslim Extremists) are even calling it a Jihadist War."

Could you lookdown a street or a cell block and pick out the Muslim Extremists any where in the world?

You expect our young men in uniform to do just that?

Who picks up the suspects of Muslim Extremism?

Did those that turned in the Muslim Extremist get paid? Could a real Muslim Extremist turn in a non Muslim Extremist to support the Jihadist War with the reward money?

Should they all be tortured anyway?
Will they be Muslim extremist after being tortured?

Liberal POV said...

JR

Vietnam War

"I was dreaming about what it would be like to be a US soldier defending his/her country against all enemies foreign and domestic."

What made the Vietnamese our enemy? What was the threat to the United States?
They won the war and how is our life worst?
Why did 58,000 American young men and women and die? We know the close to 1,000,000 Vietnamese diedand 2,000,000 in Cambodia died indirectly of this war.

Who engineered that war? Do you trust those people?

I fear Iraq will be the same.

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal POV Socialist Sheep said:

"Could you lookdown a street or a cell block and pick out the Muslim Extremists any where in the world?"

The answer is Yes. When you have a city block full of Muslim Extremists, on CNN, MSNBC or other fringe left media sources, burning American flags and chanting "death to America", it is pretty easy to tell who the extremists are. They are either on your side or not. If not, they should be exterminated in much the same manner the US exterminated Krauts, Japs, and meatball lovers during WWII. It is not rocket science my sheep of a friend. As in all wars that we have actually won, the war must be brought to the society (like they did us on 9/11). Only when a state is fully subjegated to the demands that the winning state places upon it will there be victory. Name one conflict or war to the otherwise!! LOL!

Your ole pal
Johnny Rico

Professor Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"You expect our young men in uniform to do just that?"

Sure I do. They are not allowed to now due to liberal policies enacted by socialists like you who want to see the US fail in Iraq, and now, Afghanistan. Our young men cannot shoot Muslims in Mosques for example (and I assure you the no fire zone list is extremely long and complicated). And an idiot like you has the gall to ask a question that you and your policies have made neigh impossible for our young soldiers to accomplish? Blasphemy!!!! Most of us independents, as well as the soldiers and Marines serving at this very minute, know exactly how to prosecute the limited police action we are in right now in Iraq and Afghanistan. Why can't they? Because do-gooding socialist sheep such as yourself won't let them. In my opinion, the blood of our lost soldiers in Iraq is on YOUR HANDS you dolting idiot of a socialist. Why not a Tomahawk into the city square full of anti-American extremists burning American flags? My bet is they sure wouldn't do it anymore once a few hundred of their co-conspirators were incenerated on national television! And how possibly could you disagree? LOL!!!

The truth hurts liberal socialist sheep POV, it hurts.....


Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

PS The further you go down the road, the more exposed you will be. Even your cheerleader has fallen silent which is quite an event!!!!!

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist POV said:

"Who picks up the suspects of Muslim Extremism?"

Who picked Japs to be Samarui in WWII. Who picked the SS of the Nazi Military? Who picked Mosby's vaunted riders?

Look socialist sheep POV, you are trying to be relevant through very non-relevant subject material. I could care less about who picks, pays or wipes the a!@ of a Muslim. What I care about is winning in such a fashion that other Muslims who are one step removed from living in caves, realize that those bastards over in the US are mean pricks who don' take kindly to uneducated, extremist, fringe, and stupid zealots doing things like shooting soldiers at a US military base, driving planes into buildings, driving exploding boats into Naval vessels and other such tomfoolry.

But alas, this is just wishful thinking. Fringe left zealots like you, who are as extremist as the Muslims, and side with them, will never let this occur. Instead we will be forced to live with the whining, money draining, blood crazy policies that derive from the socialist left. LOL.

Your ole pal
Johnny Rico

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"What made the Vietnamese our enemy? What was the threat to the United States?
They won the war and how is our life worst?"


This is not answering my question sir! Not surprising though.

At any rate Communism made the Vietnamese our enemy just as it made Russia our enemy during the Cold War. Halting Communism was very important and should still be a priority of our government (fat chance anything being a priority for Hussein Obama except bowing) given Russia's rise to power.

What was the threat to the US? It was the same threat that the Soviets placing missles in Cuba posed to us.

They won the war for sure and it has affected the US in every war since. The enemy knows it can dampen US resolve through playing on the emotions of cowardly liberal socialist sheep such as yourself. This helps to prolong wars, kill more Americans, and allow small countries such as Somalia to gain a measure of respect.

So again, you can see very easily that the bloodshed in all wars since WWII has been caused by cowards such as yourself. And you call yourself an American? You deserve none of the liberties the country affords you. You should be charged with sedition and made to live in one of those countries that you purport to love and side with (Iraq, Russia, China,etc).


LOL!!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

PS I won!!!

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"I fear Iraq will be the same."

Me too. See above. You and your liberal slug friends bear ALL the responsibility of bloodshed and a war that has, and will, drag out.

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Grady

Honest Debate said...

"What I care about is winning in such a fashion that other Muslims who are one step removed from living in caves, realize that those bastards over in the US are mean pricks who don' take kindly to uneducated, extremist, fringe, and stupid zealots doing things like shooting soldiers at a US military base, driving planes into buildings, driving exploding boats into Naval vessels and other such tomfoolry." -Johnny Rico

Not much left to be said.

Liberal POV said...

JR

" uneducated, extremist, fringe, and stupid zealots "

This may not confined to the Muslims.

Liberal POV said...

HD, Guy GOP

Read the above post by Johnny and you will see the danger of hate media and misinformation.

No military offical is advocating anything close to this misinformed person.

Did any of you find his comments rational, sane or logical?
I'm glad he's on your side.

How many Republicans do you think share Johnny's view of the world?

guy faulkes said...

How many Republicans do you think share Johnny's view of the world? - POV

Not nearly enough.

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

You have one confirmed groupie.

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal POV,

Since you are unable to counter, or even answer to any of my remarks, you have done what each and every liberal socialist sheep does - attack and demean based on emotion. I gave you a point of view, backed it up with facts and common sense, and all you can say is that it is not true and is "hate media". Well my troglydyte of a friend, none of that came from the media. Many years of research, coupled with common sense and logic, allows free thinkers (you are certainly not in this category) to advance such a position.

If you don't agree or believe it, then say something to the contrary. If you cannot do this, and you certainly cannot, then it might do you good to say nothing at all.

Remember when the liberal socialist sheep banned me from Watauga Watch after I took over each and every post for a month solid? The reason they had to ban me is because the idiots had nothing to say to the contrary.

How about it Liberal Socialist Sheep POV? Wanna take a shot at the title? We both know what the answer will be. LOL!!

Or you could send your cheerleading puppet into the fray. LOL!!! Disaster waiting to happen.

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

PS I won

Dan

Johnny Rico said...

THANKS HONEST DEBATE!!!!!!!

Johnny

John Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep Said:

"JR

" uneducated, extremist, fringe, and stupid zealots "

This may not confined to the Muslims."


YOUR RIGHT, IT EXTENDS TO LIBERAL SOCIALIST SHEEP SUCH AS YOURSELF!!!!!!!!!!


LOL

Johnny Rico

Sarkazein said...

POV-

You might want to send some of your comment material to NYC.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

Were you hoping for a lynching?

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

"Remember when the liberal socialist sheep banned me from Watauga Watch after I took over each and every post for a month solid? The reason they had to ban me is because the idiots had nothing to say to the contrary."

I'm sure all the liberals there recognized your superior intellect and ability to reason.

I find it difficult to debate a heckler but you do make the point of conservative negativism. You sound so much like Ms Foxx with your rants without facts.

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

With your superior intellect and ability to reason why don't you start writing the Republican response to current issues for the Watauga Democrat.
The monthly feature is about to be cancelled because of lack of response from Republicans.
It seems most Republicans can only cut and paste as they do here or can do little more than heckle or say no.
Johnny you seem to have the voice of modern day Republicans so why not write the newspaper article?
No one else seems to have the courage to do so.
Contact Mr Whittener.

guy fauleks said...

POV, thank you for alerting me to there being a Republican response section in the Democrat. There certainly needs to be one to counter the liberal bias of the paper. This is is why I do not read it and did not know of the response section. Of course, many Republicans are liberal and it may be they do not feel they need to respond. Exactly how conservative would you expect a paper named the Watauga Democrat to be, even thought there are many conservative Democrats?

Sarkazein said...

POV-

If the terrorists are going to be given a soap box, they should have a noose around their neck at the same time. I'd pay to be the one to kick it out from under them at my whim. In fact a national lotto could sell tickets and for the chance to be the soap box kicker.
I'd wait until they finished "Ladies and gentleman..cough cough gag choke" So you would have to get your autographed copy of the Alqeada handbook early.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

You have a much safer time confirming your misinformation by filtering out normal Journalism.

Your post reflect the filtering.

guy faulkes said...

POV, only in your twisted mind. I do not think the Watauga Democrat carries much on international terrorism. They occasionally report the abuses of illegal aliens, I am told. When this happens< I bring the paper up on the net. Is the response article you speak of available on the net?

Of course I filter out liberal propaganda. If I did not, I would be wasting my time. This is an indication of why the majority of people get their news from the net and Fox news. They do not have time for your delusions.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

The problem is you call anything that does not support your myths liberal propaganda.

Honest Debate said...

Lib,
That's a myth.

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"With your superior intellect and ability to reason why don't you start writing the Republican response to current issues for the Watauga Democrat"

I tried that, but they wouldn't print them. They remind me a lot of Watauga Watch - not wanting to address inconvienant truths.

Johnny Rico

Sasha

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

"I tried that, but they wouldn't print them. They remind me a lot of Watauga Watch - not wanting to address inconvienant truths."

They print Ms Foxx and not you?

guy faulkes said...

I have also sent "letters to the editor" to the Democrat that were either not printed or heavily censored. The Democrat is aptly named if one considers Democrats to be liberal. That is the major reason I no longer subscribe to it.