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Monday, November 30, 2009

Is Huckabee Toast?

**UPDATE**
An Arkansas prosecutor wrote a letter to Huckabee complaining about his clemency procedures. Huckabee's response was to laugh out loud. He's toast.
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Mike Huckabee while Governor of Arkansas granted clemency to the alleged murderer of four police officers.
This link has all of the pertinent information as well as relevant links including Huckabee's statement.

34 comments:

Sarkazein said...

He's toast all right. The weird thing as proven here, is it is the liberals that will crucify Huckabee, for doing what appears to be a liberal action. Commuting the sentence of a violent criminal because of his young age at sentencing is something a liberal would say must be done. It was a liberal here that brought it up first and hung a political significance on it.

Sarkazein said...

I wonder how many Community Organizers were lobbing for the convict when Huck commuted the sentence.

Sarkazein said...

One thing is for sure, you can't go back and criticize any of Obowma's pre-presidential executive actions.

Anonymous said...

Liberals, Democrats and Progressives won't crucify Huckabee, Sark. They'll crucify his "no grey area," fanatic fundamentalist supporters who sit on their hands when it comes to owning up to their own hypocracy.

When a liberal politician chooses to furlough, pardon, commute the sentence or stay the execution of a convict, that politician is portrayed by the angry, righteous, blood-thirsty mob as being soft on crime. And should that ex-con commit a crime again, there's no shortage of irate I-told-you-soers around to remind us all about how dangerous it is to leave law enforcement and punishment up to the weak hands and overly-caring souls of bleeding-hearted Democrats.

But where are those "off with Huckabee's head" screams this morning? They're not there because such knee-jerk public outrage is typically exhibited by those who see everything in black-and-white, those who believe the universe can be summed up in one little book, and those who are unable to accept the basic validity or value of an opinion that differs from their own while accepting all others.

And that ain't the liberals.

Basically, if Huckabee were in a party that understood nuance and gray areas, he might have a political future. But since he opted to align himself with those who'd prefer to shoot themselves in the foot instead of bending on any issue (see guy's silly claims about third party support) other than the sanctity of marriage (note the godless popularity of affairs and divorce among national Republican leadership), he's history.

And that's something you sure as shootin' can put off on liberals.

Anonymous said...

Stupid me. That's "can't" put off.

Editing options would be nice here.

Sarkazein said...

A'mous- I must have missed the part about the arrest and proof that it is the same Democrat that Huckabee pardoned.

Anonymous said...

You're absolutely right, Sark.

I guess that's the only thing keeping our righteous and holy picket-waivers from marching on the FOXNews studios at this hour.

Those folks NEVER wait for the completion of due process before casting stones, right?

More hypocritical BS.

BTW, there indeed is already evidence of recent arrests of this guy for beating up a cop and raping a girl. Got any more smartass crap to come back with on that?

THAT's the type of smarmy, hypocritical stuff I'm talking about, Sark. Thanks for proving my point.

Honest Debate said...

Nonnhy,

The fact's aren't all in yet. If you are going to criticize "knee-jerk" reactions then don't call for them. Having said that, I think you will be proven wrong and Huckabee will be crucified by the right, certainly to a much larger degree than the left criticized Clinton for pardoning Mark Rich or the FALN terrorist.

I also strongly agree with Sark's prediction regarding hypocrisy. We'll see.

Anonymous said...

What specific prediction?

Anonymous said...

Oh, and by "crucified," do you mean he'll be stripped of his FOXNews talkshow because his liberal treatment of a prisoner, treatment that rates far outside the acceptable political, social and moral boundaries of the majority of FOX's viewers, enabled that prisoner to kill four cops?

Or, by "crucified," do mean his misdeed will be mentioned a couple times for lip service and then he'll be allowed to keep his show?

Honest Debate said...

This prediction: "...liberals that will crucify Huckabee, for doing what appears to be a liberal action". -Sarkazein

By "crucified" I mean criticized by the right to such an extent that he will not run in 2012, assuming the worst speculations are true. The list of Republicans eating their own is long (Newt, Cunningham, Delay, Livingston, Lott, etc.). Democrats not so much.

As to Huck's show, it all depends on ratings not politics. Many liberals watch him. I still like his show and will make a point not to miss it this weekend so I can hear his take on the matter. That doesn't mean I will vote for him. I watch "Hardball" too.

guy faulkes said...

Huckabee just lost his conservative support. That is why he is crucified by the right. Now if only the same could be said about the policies of Obama's Department of Homeland Defense that discourage the Border Patrol and ICE from aggressively enforcing the immigration laws. Illegal aliens have killed and harmed more than four people. These range from Agent Rosas to the drug dealers to the illegals that have killed people by driving under the inflection. Yes, I know citizens of this country have killed people by driving under the influence also, but this does not change the fact that if the illegal aliens had been denied access or deported, innocent people would still be alive. To me the illegal alien coddling is worse than the pardoning. Both are despicable.

Anaoymous, did you really mean to say Fox news never waited on convictions before casting stones and then cast stones by saying there is evidence of this person having been charged with beating up a cop and raping a young girl. As a matter of fact, has this guy even been charged with these murders? He may be guilty as sin of all three, but he does not pass your conviction test. Logic is not smart ass crap. I believe you did indeed prove Sark was absolutely right unless you are saying you can make the same kind of allegations that you claim Fox News should not make. Like most liberals, you appear to enjoy the double standard stacked to benefit you.

Anonymous said...

Misinterpret as you may, guy, but there's no double standard in play on my part.

I stick with what I said....liberals will not be crucifying Huckabee for performing an act that the Old Testament torch-and-pitchfork mob would typically grill any Democratic pol over. But they will crucify Huckabee's hypocritical supporters and ship fleers for failing to picket FOX and holding the governor to the same unbending, holier-than-thou standard of non-liberal action they demand of everyone else.

As for the cop-beating and kid-raping charges, the dude is ALREADY out on $150,000 bond following those recent arrests. But I wouldn't guess Rush would have pointed that out, so I can see where you confustion comes in.

And he has been convicted of multiple additional felonies since the initial release that Huckabee's initial commutation allowed.

Again, I'm not saying that Huckabee deserves public humiliation, and I certainly don't think anyone should demand that FOX fire him for committing a liberal act that resulted, ultimately, in the deaths of four police officers.

I'm just saying that all the stone-them-in-the-streets reactionists who typically call for the ousting (if not outright hanging) of liberal politicians and journalists should be called out for their hypocricy in this particular matter if they choose to treat Huckabee any differently.

And "diffently" would be waiting until after criminal convictions are handed down before making "grassroots" demands through publicity-starved demonstrations.

Just in case you weren't following closely, guy, THERE's your double standard.

And HD...I completely agree with you on the ratings deal. Conservatives will fail to roast or boycott this particular "good Christian man" and, as such, his ratings will likely maintain and his show will likely continue.

guy faulkes said...

Anonymous, deny all you want, but you stated your double standard by your own words.

By the way, are you under the impression that one can bond his way out of jail after a conviction? What is your point in bringing up the bonds other than to reinforce that no conviction for these crimes as yet exist?

Sarkazein said...

A'mous- You were all ready writing about the Right not saying anything about it before most had even heard of it.
I also missed the part where Conservatives defended Huckabee. I think you are on a sinking ship and you are grabbing at anything you think will float.

Sarkazein said...

A'mous-

I also missed the part where Conservatives never commute or pardon.
You are basing your conclusions on misconceptions.

Honest Debate said...

Nonny,

Do you think Huckabee should loose his show? Do you think his fans should call for him to loose his show? Just the Conservative fans? Are they hypocrites if they don't? Why? What does his being a Christian have to do with anything? Do you dislike Obama because he's a Christian or is "Black Liberation Theology" cool?

You aren't making sense.

Anonymous said...

HD- Now your sounding as lost as guy. Here goes....

No, I do not believe he deserves to lose his show. However, since ultra-conservatives are now the first to loudly demand any politician pay with his political future for acting in too "liberal" a fashion (note the "sincere," "grassroots,"teabagging and town hall protesters), I would find it quite hypocritical for that particular group to choose NOT to picket FOX and demand Huckabee's dismissal.

Afterall, it was his liberal action (Sark's original claim, not mine) that eventually resulted in the deaths of those four policemen. Are you REALLY going to tell me that people of the corn wouldn't be flocking by the score to physically picket the offices of CNBC or CNN if one of their ex-politico talking heads had a similar cop-killing result pop up?

Again, no, I do not believe he deserves to lose his job. But like I've said from my first comment on this thread, I think the far-right whack jobs who fail to be objectively consistant in doling out public scorn for liberal actions should be taken to task for their hypocricy here.

And, no, I do not dislike Huckabee for being a Christian. I don't dislike him at all. What I dislike is the seeming double standard applied by ultra-rightist fundamentalists who appear all-to-ready to look the other way when one of their own performs in a fashion they'd otherwise crucify a non-believer for.

Finally, no, I do not dislike Obama.

I'm pretty sure that cleared up all your questions.

Sarkazein said...

Afterall, it was his liberal action (Sark's original claim, not mine) that eventually resulted in the deaths of those four policemen.


I wrote "appears to be a liberal action". I was writing of the liberal perception. And you are proving my point. It is you, the liberal, hurrying to get to the finish line, before the race even started.

Honest Debate said...

So, the knee-jerk critic is calling for a knee-jerk reaction. Okay, no hypocrisy there.

Anonymous said...

The only hypocricy would be if the far right were to fail to act in any less a hasty and non-fact-based a fashion in regard to Huckabee's liberal flub than they did in reaction to the incomplete House healthcare bill and the unproven "higher tax" charges connected to the second bailout.

To be clear, I do not want to see anyone protest Huckabee's decision or demand his ouster before all the facts are in. By the same token, I'd appreciate it if the uninformed teabaggers and fact-lacking townhall screamers would, in the future, apply similarly patient schedules to their overt photo-op stabs and YouTube attention grabs related to Democrats and non-Christians.

Of course, should they continue to immediately and uneducatedly scream "foul" (or "you lie") ONLY when persons of differing political, social, racial or religious beliefs commit, in their minds, heinous and dangerous acts of liberal foolishness, one would be forced to scrutinize not only their objectivity, fairness and motivation, but their moral sincerity as well.

Anonymous said...

HD: More simply, I'm NOT calling for a knee-jerk reaction. I'm just saying that if there's NOT one, then the extremists who now all too frequently incorporate such processes in their "grassroots" efforts will show themselves to be the type of illogical, biased and prejudiced non-thinkers that their critics believe them to be.

Sarkazein said...

Health-care bill being debated now, same as Huckabee's action as governor and the effect it may have on his future unknown political plans... yeah, that's the same.

Sarkazein said...

A'mous wrote- "Of course, should they continue to immediately and uneducatedly scream "foul" (or "you lie") ONLY

That only happened in one of several of his lies. Note, illegal aliens can still qualify for tax funded health-care and the Dems will not allow an amendment to clarify.

He Lies!

Sarkazein said...

A'mous-

If hypocrisy is what you desire, look here.

Honest Debate said...

Sark's right Nonny, you're reaching. Grasping. Gasping. Those totally generic grass roots tea parties really bug you don't they? Is it the idea of an informed public having the gall to peacefully assemble that gets under your craw?

Anonymous said...

No, as I've yet to see, hear or read a single thing coming from a teabagging party that in any way points to participants being informed. Indoctrinated, perhaps, but not informed.

Again, while I personally feel the man does not deserve to lose his job, should fundamentalist reactionists choose to give Huckabee a pass on a "liberal" act that led to the deaths of four cops, it will do nothing but prove them to be the insincere, prejudiced hypocrites that many already accept them to be.

Honest Debate said...

"No, as I've yet to see, hear or read a single thing coming from a teabagging party that in any way points to participants being informed. Indoctrinated, perhaps, but not informed." -Nonny

I can reach no conclusion other than you must be deaf, dumb and blind. You continue to use the homo-erotic term "teabagging" for no reason other than gratuitous denigration so I'll add jerk to the list...but I already knew that.

Sarkazein said...

A'mous-

If you are waiting for Conservatives to gather in large groups on the street to protest Huckabee's action as the then governor, it ain't gonna happen. Conservatives can decide their own individual actions in the next election. The Tea Parties were to try and prevent the Socialist take-over of our country and stop currently proposed socialist legislation.
By the way, I read the cop-killer has been rehabilitated.

Honest Debate said...

Sark,

You've pinpointed the reason why the apparently Socialist Nonnhy doesn't like the tea party movement.

"The Tea Parties were to try and prevent the Socialist take-over of our country and stop currently proposed socialist legislation."

guy faulkes said...

Liberals seem to always support those that participate in the political process as long as they are liberals. The problem occurs when it is conservatives participating. Anonymous has proven to be a true liberal by his support of this kind of double standard.

Sarkazein said...

A'mous-

If you are offended by the Tea Parties and being called a socialist, Howard Dean says Obama and his supporters are socialists also.

EEEEHAAAA!!!

Sarkazein said...

Huckabee's own words about his action as then governor, and the things that followed.

guy faulkes said...

Here is a clip of a conservative talk show host and a police union leader discussing Huckabee. Maybe this is enough to start to satisfy Nonymouse.

http://www.breitbart.tv/police-union-head-takes-on-huckabee-over-cop-killer-release/