This blog,originally founded by Blogger, who is listed in Marquis Who's Who and is a recipient of the Albert Nelson Marquis Lifetime Achievement Award. He holds a theological degree and a doctorate in Counseling Psychology. Taught Psychology for 32 years and is now Professor Emeritus. Is a board-certified psychologist and was awarded the Lifetime Achievement Award in his profession. Ministered as a chaplain, and pastored Baptist and Episcopal churches. Publications cover the integration of psychology and theology. Served in the Army, the Merchant Marines and the Peace Corps.

Friday, November 6, 2009

Lessons from Cambridge and Ft. Hood

This morning I listened to President Obama address the apparent terrorist massacre at Ft. Hood. When he said, “We don’t know all the answers yet. And I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts” I immediately thought of the Crowley/Gates incident at Cambridge. I went back and listened to President Obama's comments again. Here is some of what he said then. His comments then give us a glimpse of his world view. His statement was heavy on the evils of racial profiling. Here's the money quote, "That's why I think ugh the more that we're working with local law enforcement to um improve policing techniques so that we're eliminating potential bias ugh the safer everybody's going to be." Fast forward to the massacre at Fort Hood. I'll give the caveat too, we don't know all there is to know yet but we do know some. The killer was a disgruntled Muslim. He was being investigated as long as six months ago because he made comparisons between suicide bombers and soldiers on the internet. We know more as well. This from the AP and this from USA Today explain some of it and both are worth reading. Hindsight is indeed 20/20 but I think there is more at play. This should not have happened. This man should not have been allowed to remain in the Army. There were plenty of red flags and I believe the political correctness as espoused by Obama, regarding racial (or in this case religious) profiling and the Cambridge police, cost lives. It's just not acceptable to openly call into question the views of Muslims. Let me be clear (to borrow a phrase from our President) I AM NOT SAYING that Obama's policies or directives are in any way responsible. I am simply saying his world view on this is wrong.

52 comments:

bridle said...

It's not clear what you suggest. Should Muslims be suspect by virtue of their religion? That's pretty stupid since we need all the bilingual soldiers we can get in the middle east theaters. And what about the soldier from Texas who shot 5 of his buddies at the base in Iraq? Should he have been suspect by virtue of being from Texas? Or because he was (probably) Christian? And what about our own vet from Lenoir who shot and killed a policeman before turning his weapon on himself? He wasn't Muslim.
I do agree with you in one respect though. The shooter was known to be very religious . Belief in a supernatural being is evidence of mental instability and should have been a red flag. Of course that would leave us with a very small military force. Hmmm.... maybe not such a bad idea....

Sarkazein said...

Political correctness. People fearing having to sit for hours in a sensitivity class for reporting a weird acting guy with a Muslim name. PC is already eating at our military. PC makes us all less safe because it tends to deny reality.
When I was in the military, there is no way a Major could converse the way he did, and remain. An officer cannot be busted down a grade, like a major busted down to captain, he is busted down to E4 (enlisted rank). If I am not mistaking, officers can resign.
The Court Martial will be quick and decisive, if he lives. No ACLU or POVs to try and get him off because he had an abusive childhood. He will be real popular with the guards at Leavenworth.

If one has a Concealed Carry License he still cannot carry on a Federal military post. There were probably more unarmed, defenseless people (non-combatants) on Ft Hood than in Killeen. The Koran must have a section on how to be a coward.

Sarkazein said...

Bridle-

Not complicated. The major's intent was the same as any Muslim extremist terrorist. He did what he did as an act of terrorism. He talked about the brave suicide bombers and argued for a Muslim uprising.
Right there, you are overwhelmed with political correctness and passed the point of being able to discern the differences in intent. I am not.

BikerBard said...

"The Koran must have a section on how to be a coward." - Sarkazein

My, what an ignorant statement! If the shooter were Christian (Timothy McVey, the Oklahoma City bomber was raised Catholic) would you make the same disparaging remark about the Bible?

You will never have to worry about being "PC." You are not sophisticated or perceptive enough to carry that off.

Sarkazein said...

Remember Sgt Asun Akbar, a US GI tossing two grenades in a tent because he didn't want to go to war. Sure, frag some sleeping people because you are against killing Muslims.

bridle said...

Sark - What are you talking about? He was reported for being a religious nut. That's why he should have been pulled. Not for being a Muslim.
Remember the Oklahoma City bomber? Or the Beltway sniper? Or the angry wing-nut who shot up the Unitarian Universalist church? Or how about the Virginia Tech shooter? Or the Columbine kids? None of them were Muslim. It is stupid to blame this tragedy on the Muslim religion. Please note that I don't like it any better than the Christian religion or any other superstitious belief system. But they all seem equally silly to me.

Sarkazein said...

Beltway sniper? Muslim

Sarkazein said...

H.D.- That was the first thing I thought of, when Obama started the wait and see stuff this time, after he had jumped right on the white cop. Was it part of the OJT we all said would be required for the novice from Illinois, or just instinct to protect his own?

bridle said...

Ok Sark- one of them was. Are you suggesting that no Muslims should be allowed to serve in the military? Or that all Muslims should be treated like terrorists?

Sarkazein said...

Bridle- Catch the news for the last 10 years. Google Muslim terrorist or wars with Muslims involved, or Muslim pirates, or Muslim on Muslim terrorist murders.

Or if you don't have a lot of reading time Google Muslims organized against terrorism.

Intent is important.

Sarkazein said...

H.D- To add to your didactic post:

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/A-Disconnected-President.html

bridle said...

Good one Sark - Now google Crusades, Spanish inquisition, Bloody Mary, witch burnings,European pograms, Northern Ireland, or more recently, Pat Robertson and Ann Coulter. How about wars with Christians involved? Remember Iraq was a secular state when we (Christian president) invaded it. Vietnam, WWII, WWI, all were fought by Christians, no? Nazi Germany was a Christian nation and Adolf Hitler was a Catholic.
I'm not saying the Muslim religion makes sense remember. Just that it's no worse for justifying violence than any other faith.
It's not surprising there are so many violent Muslims. They comprise about 20% of the world's population after all. We humans have a tragic propensity for violence, and like to use religious beliefs to justify it.

Honest Debate said...

Bridle,

I'll respond as if you're serious but your questions don't make much sense and Sark pretty much nailed it.

No, we shouldn't suspect by virtue of religion alone although I must say that I'm beginning to rethink that. I fail to get your bilingual point. Are you saying that only Muslims are capable of learning Arabic or Farsi or are you saying all Muslims already know those languages (and other dialects)? Isn't that what's "stupid"?

I don't know of the Texas murderer you speak of but I'll address it this way: Obama says we should have paid more attention to Afghanistan because the terrorist planned there. As if the problem wasn't an ideology of hate. As if the problem was a location. It's like invading Oklahoma for McVie. It's not my concept it's the libs. Ditto the Lenoir thing which I also am not familiar with.

I won't comment on your other statements about religion.

Now that you know what I'm not saying I'll try to restate what I am saying since you missed it the first time. We should NOT ignore overwhelming evidence because of race, religion or anything else.

Honest Debate said...

Thanks Sark. Obama's bumbling doesn't surprise me but I do think it's sad. I honestly want him to do better in times like these. I also learned a new word: didactic.

Are you close to Fort Hood?

bridle said...

HD - Don't you think men and women raised by Muslim immigrant parents might be more likely to study Arabic or the languages of their immigrant families? Maybe not but it seems likely to me.
It surely sounds as if you are justifying discrimination against Muslims. Or are you really just saying that people who show signs of mental disturbance should not be given guns? Or deployed to Iraq? I'm ok with that.
You must be careful about profiling soldiers based on violent language. Violent language is pretty much endemic to the military culture.
The reference for the Iraq incident is below.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/12/AR2009051201127.html

bridle said...

The Lenoir incident involved one of our local members of the 1451st which deployed to Iraq in 06. http://woundedtimes.blogspot.com/2008/09/north-carolina-iraq-veteran-sought-in.html
Actually the problem of terrorism did arise from Afghanistan. That is where the terrorist training camps were and the Taliban, religious extremists of the worst kind, were supporting them. And of course if the Taliban control Afghanistan, they may be able to bring the Pakistan govt down, and then they really will have nukes. That said, endless military engagement is probably not the answer. It will certainly require a global effort and some brilliant strategizing to contain that menace.
I hope Obama can pull it off.

Honest Debate said...

Bridle,

It would be interesting to know if Hasan spoke or understood Arabic.

"It surely sounds as if you are justifying discrimination against Muslims." That's a fair statement but I deny the charge. Are you saying Islamic extremist should not be suspect no matter the evidence?

Honest Debate said...

"It will certainly require a global effort and some brilliant strategizing to contain that menace." -Bridle

So you agree that Sadaam Hussein after jerking the world around for 12 years and 17 UN resolutions should not have been able to continue his reign of terror in a post 9/11 world? Good, me too.

Honest Debate said...

100% agreement.

Sarkazein said...

H.D.-

Ft Hood is closer to Austin than Houston. I spend time on the River Walk in San Antonio, and on the weekends many of the Army troops in uniform are there from Ft Hood.
The lighting of the Christmas tree takes place in front of the Alamo the day after Thanksgiving. It's a family tradition to be there and listen to the San Antonio Mayor speak of the brave Mexican Army that fought there and listen to him give thanks to the Great Henry Cisneros (convicted liar). Then we watch the River Walk boat parade.

Sarkazein said...

Bridle-

Your responses to my comments prove the problem with PC.

H.D's link to "Lt. Col. Raph Peters on Nidal Malik Hasan" video says it all. It says it better than I can write it. The Col. is exactly accurate.

It is typical of the liberal response to make a comment to the extreme in order to avoid the real problem.

Sarkazein said...

More of Obama bumbling:


Obama Gives Shout Out to 'Congressional Medal of Honor Winner' Who Isn't
By Mike Bates (Bio | Archive)
November 6, 2009 - 01:18 ET
The Washington Post this afternoon reported "President Obama delivers remarks on Ft. Hood shooting at end of tribal leaders conference." The transcript begins:
SPEAKER: PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA
[*] OBAMA: Please, everybody, have a seat. Let me first of all just thank Ken and the entire Department of the Interior staff for organizing just an extraordinary conference.

I want to thank my Cabinet members and senior administration officials who participated today. I hear that Dr. Joe Medicine Crow (ph) was around, and so I want to give a shout out to that Congressional Medal of Honor winner. It's good to see you.

Ah, the dangers of giving shout outs without a teleprompter. Crow is not a Medal of Honor recipient. As noted by the Congressional Medal of Honor Society:
The Medal of Honor is the highest award for valor in action against an enemy force which can be bestowed upon an individual serving in the Armed Services of the United States. Generally presented to its recipient by the President of the United States of America in the name of Congress, it is often called the Congressional Medal of Honor.
Crow's name is not included on the Society's Medal of Honor recipient list. He was, however, awarded the Medal of Freedom, the nation's highest civilian honor, in August.

Obama, often described as "cerebral" by the mainstream media, should know the difference between the Medal of Honor and the Medal of Freedom, especially since he personally awarded the latter to Crow. Don't expect his blunder to receive wide coverage. It's not something he can blame George Bush for.

Sarkazein said...

Bridal-
When multiple horrific crimes happen for years and years, and all have a common motive (involving Islam), then Islam is the problem. To not recognize this is political correctness and it endangers the lives of everyone... most importantly mine.

Honest Debate said...

Unbelievable Sark.

How can someone whose words are so empty be so full of it?

guy faulkes said...

Not all Muslims follow the tenant of lesser jihad, but many do. Lesser jihad proclaims that all practitioners of other religions are infidels and are to be subjugated to Muslim by force or killed. I am aware of no other religion that has this command in its Holy Book. This makes the service of Muslims in a Christian nation a complicated problem. Muslim citizens of this country have the right and duty to serve in its armed forces , but must be vetted on a continuing basis because of the possibility of their following lesser jihad. Yes, Muslims are suspect as would be others that might be members of subversive militant organizations. I would suspect bridle would have no objection to vetting members of what he would term a "right wing militia".

As HD says, the problem is not with the shooter being Muslim. It is with him being a follower of lesser jihad and nothing being done when he made statements suggesting that fact. He was a domestic terrorist. End of story.

The last time I checked, one did not have to be Muslim to be bilingual.

BikerBard said...

Sark:
I get it. You just ignore comments directed to you which you cannot refute.

I'll try again.

What an ignorant comment you made about the Koran! Did you make the same disparaging and ignorant comment about the Bible when (Christian) Tim McVey blew up the Oklahoma federal building?

Honest Debate said...

BB,

I'm biting my tongue but I'll let Sark (if he chooses to dignify it) knock that one out of the park.

bridle said...

Guy- We need to be wary of all religious extremists of course. I have no problem with that. Just don't discriminate against Muslims.
According the nightly news, he was being deployed despite prior warnings because of the dire shortage of mental health care professionals in Iraq. It's the same reason young Blaylock was deployed despite several warnings from his comrades that he was unstable. These wars are depleting our armed forces.
And Guy - the old testament is one of the bloodiest most violent histories I have ever read. In just one example of many atrocities, Numbers 31, God commands , murder, rape, pillage, child abuse, and the destruction of an entire population.
The whole book gives me the creeps.

Sarkazein said...

BB-

Was McVey following the same motive as hundreds before him? No, he was a psyco wanna-be anarchist.
Did McVey shout Praise Jesus before he blew up the building as all the Muslim terrorists shout 'Allah Akbar' before they commit cowardly murder?
Pull your head out of the tear in your leather pants and read some news. How many Imams are involved with these Muslim terrorist and what do they read and study? The Koran.

Sarkazein said...

Let me add... read, study and justify their actions with? The Koran.

Reader said...

"And Guy - the old testament is one of the bloodiest most violent histories I have ever read. In just one example of many atrocities, Numbers 31, God commands , murder, rape, pillage, child abuse, and the destruction of an entire population.
The whole book gives me the creeps."

God doesn't take pleasure in the death of anyone...Ezekiel 18.

Honest Debate said...

"Just don't discriminate against Muslims." -Bridle

Even though there is more and more justification mounting for doing just that you're are missing the point. The question is, "Why ignore overwhelming evidence because we are so afraid of being accused of discriminating against Muslims? Make sure to read the links within the link. This is not a partisan issue it's common sense. Those that are attempting to make it a partisan issue are being hideously disingenuous.

BikerBard said...

Sark:
Was it reported that the soldier who did the Ft. Hood shootings shout "Allah Akbar" before he shot up the place? Hmmmm? No. Maybe he was just a ...crazy shooter? I'm sure you read and study Superman DC Comics. Do these comics justify your thoughts and actions...? Oh nevermind. Now I understand where you think you are superior and invincible.

However, that still makes your comment about the Koran an ignorant comment. Ignorant!

Let's recap, shall we?
Christian (McVey) killing 168 civilians, wounding 680 more - yet Bible still good. Muslim soldier (Hasan) killing 13 other soldiers, wounding 30 more, Koran bad. Your nonsense is totally without logic.

Honest Debate: That was not even a clean hit. Ground ball - batter out at first.

Sarkazein said...

BB declared- "Was it reported that the soldier who did the Ft. Hood shootings shout "Allah Akbar" before he shot up the place? Hmmmm?"-BB


Apparently you still haven't positioned your head in the news reading position.

Honest Debate said...

BB,

What did the Bible have to do with the agnostic McVeigh's hideous crime? Nothing.

What did the Koran have to do with Hasan's hideous crime? Everything

I know it's tricky. Try furrowing your brow.

I'd say Sark hit a grand slam.

Sarkazein said...

I am embarrassed for BB. But, that's what happens when you read an important news story, and the absolute ONLY thing you get out of it is an opinion on the grammar.

USS Rodger Young - Tricycle Lard's superior said...

Tricycle Lard,

What you didn't point out was the fact that Fort Hood is a gun free zone. When are liberal socialists such as yourself going to learn that shooters go for the easy victims. Do you find it strange that mass shootings do not occur at gun ranges, police departments, gun shows, etc?

Even though you should find it strange, I doubt you do. Too busy trying to take other folks rights away (as well as their cash)to do much good pontificating. LOL

Your dearest pal
USS Rodger Young

Betsy G.

PS Tricycle Lard....tttiiiiimmmmmeee to come out and pppplllllaaaaayyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!

Sarkazein said...

Was Mohammed a coward? He must have been. I'll ask the next Imam I see.

Sarkazein said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG1MiLqH0jc

guy faulkes said...

ABC news reported this morning that Hasan had attempted to contact Muslim terrorists organizations. He proclaimed himself a Muslim first and an American second. He was evidently a Muslim that followed lesser jihad. Not all Muslims do, maybe even not most.

In any event he was a terrorist that used the Koran for justification of his murders.

Honest Debate said...

Guy you wrote: "Not all Muslims do, maybe even not most."

You may be right. I hope you're right. Speaking for myself, I can agree with the "not all" but I'm not sure about the "not most". I'd like to be wrong but most Muslims are silent on the matter. In fairness to them there may be good reason as speaking out against Islam can get you killed.

BikerBard said...

Sark:
I heard tody an UNCONFIRMED report of the shooter saying, "Allah Akbar" before his rampage. I'll give you that (more than you are gracious, for sure.) So what? That proves nothing. Maybe McVey said, "Jesus help me!" Again, would the Bible be evil? Or maybe, just the PERSON is evil, crazy, whatever.

Maybe, if you stretch it, Pres. Obama is at fault. Or maybe Clinton (either one.)

Your warped logic only fuels hatred. Peace be with you.
And God's peace to Rico, who is still haunted by his own demons.

Honest Debate said...

"Maybe McVey said, "Jesus help me!" -BB

Why would an agnostic say that? Now you're just making things up.

Sarkazein said...

BB- If you JUST HEARD that today, then maybe you JUST HEARD the terrorist made contact with Alqeada electronically (as reported). The PC mentality kept the Major in the Army. PC is a mental disorder, threatening to destroy the American way of life even further. And you are responsible.

Sarkazein said...

The plan, which reportedly would have been the biggest attack on America since 9/11, was uncovered after Scotland Yard intercepted an email.
The force alerted the FBI, who launched an operation which led to airport shuttle bus driver Najibullah Zazi, 24, being charged with conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction.


The Afghan is alleged to have been part of a group who used stolen credit cards to buy components for bombs including nail varnish remover.
The chemicals bought were similar to those used to make the 2005 London Tube and bus explosives which killed 52 people.

Sarkazein said...

BB- Just holler "Uncle Sarkazein" when you've had enough (realized the truth):

By PAMELA HESS and EILEEN SULLIVAN, Associated Press Writers – 2 hrs 3 mins ago
WASHINGTON – A radical American imam on Yemen's most wanted militant list who had contact with two 9/11 hijackers praised alleged Fort Hood shooter Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan as a hero on his personal Web site Monday.
The posting on the Web site for Anwar al Awlaki, who was a spiritual leader at two mosques where three 9/11 hijackers worshipped, said American Muslims who condemned the attacks on the Texas military base last week are hypocrites who have committed treason against their religion.

BikerBard said...

Sark:

You are such a single-minded simpleton. Let's cut to the chase. Just blame Obama. It's the only Repub game plan you have.

Muslim -BOO! (a belated Halloween scare)

guy faulkes said...

BB posting on this site has had a positive effect. He still makes no valid arguments, but he has cleaned up his language. Good job, BB.

Honest Debate said...

As we continue to learn more and more about Hasan and the red flags that were ignored, a thought occurs to me. I think he is analogous to Sadaam Hussein. How long could we have continued to ignore Iraq in a post 9/11 world before tragedy struck?

Honest Debate said...

Blogger,

As our resident Psychologist, can you tell us anything about this so called secondary post traumatic stress syndrome that the apologist are projecting onto Hasan?

Sarkazein said...

BB-

You need to go back to your grammar review, you've got nothin' in the political arena.
The reason you didn't know about the terrorist Muslim major yelling "Allah Akbar" is because the MSM didn't think you should have that politically incorrect information. If you had used the Drug Report links, or watched FOX, you would have known. It was reported within minutes of the terrorist attack.
How many single-minded simpletons know more about current events than you? All of 'em.

Sarkazein said...

Drug Report Links.....Drudge maybe