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Saturday, December 26, 2009

Attempted Terrorist Attack



I suppose it's alright to use the word "terrorist" because
the White House actually has. The terrorist embarked in Nigeria where security is notoriously lax. He flew from Nigeria to Amsterdam (where US Air Marshals are not permitted) to Detroit. Here's the first reporting from Detroit's Free Press.

We are now hearing he was on a watch list but not the no fly list. Foxnews is reporting we knew about his ties to Al Qaida as far back as two years. His father had at one time reported him to the authorities for his extreme religious views.

It should also be noted that the passengers of flight 93 with their heroic action on 9/11 changed forever the dynamics inside the plane in this and every future flight. The passengers prevented disaster.

100 comments:

Sarkazein said...

I hope his father is OK, he is supposed to send me $Millions of dollars to hold for him.

How bad does a guy have to be to be reported by his own father? How inept does the government have to be to ignore the warning?

Honest Debate said...

The Washington Post originally reported that Obama wasn't informed until three hours after the incident. They have since edited that sentence out. Hawaii is 5 hours behind us, I guess nobody wanted to wake the messiah.

Sarkazein said...

What about it libs? Terrorist attacks are on the rise since the great peacemaker started bowing down to the world. Are you feelin' it yet. Will you CHANGE when Obama realizes the showing of righteous strength is the only way to defeat the Islamic extremists?

Sarkazein said...

What about the fact that it was a civilian that involved himself in the action, and the fact that he didn't wait for the "authorities" to intervene?

Johnny Rico said...

Most disturbing is that you and I will pay the price for it. Airlines are already saying they will take "additional safety measures". What this translates to are additional hardships for Americans which is exactly what the real terrorists want. I hear no one will be allowed to stand up an hour before the plane lands and that folks will not be able to have anything on their lap.

I wouldn't surprise me if airlines don't try and restrain all passengers with a body tether or some such one of these days.

When the public becomes the enemy you are beaten!!!!

John Rico

Johnny Rico said...

Sark,

This is a bit off topic, but I wanted to ask you if folks down in Texas are giving the state legislature hell for passing the bill which says citizens can be arrested for not evacuating during a mandatory evacuation? They really snuck that one through didn't they? I hope a bunch of them lose their jobs next year.

John

Sarkazein said...

Johnny Rico-
In hurricane Rita, more people were killed in the evacuation than in the storm. I didn't evacuate. Some of my neighbors were in traffic for 8 hours, only to have to turn around and come back when they realized they couldn't get out.
Why the legislation would want to make it mandatory, is beyond me.
I was a part of the Ft Bend County Constable's Office (Sugarland) back in the eighties. If someone didn't want to evacuate, they told them to write their DL # on their arm for easier identification, or just asked them for their next of kin's name and phone number.

Honest Debate said...

The narrative that Muslims have no choice but to sign on for suicide because they are poor and uneducated has never been true. Bin Laden is a Gazillionaire. Mohamed Atta and his gang were highly educated. The Ft. Hood terrorist is a doctor. Now we learn the most recent terrorist is a young man of privilege. Still, the narrative will remain.

It's almost as stupid as the notion that we by fighting back are helping create more terrorist.

Idiocy.

Sarkazein said...

H.D-

The poverty thing is just the Left trying to excuse evil. Next they will be saying they do terrorist things because they are born homely. While it is true, most extremist muslims are homely, it is still no excuse for evil.

Honest Debate said...

From Politico:

Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano said Sunday that the thwarting of the attempt to blow up an Amsterdam-Detroit airline flight Christmas Day demonstrated that "the system worked."

Asked by CNN's Candy Crowley on "State of the Union" how that could be possible when the young Nigerian who has been charged with trying to set off the bomb was able to smuggle explosive liquid onto the jet, Napolitano responded: "We're asking the same questions."

Napolitano added that there was "no suggestion that [the suspect] was improperly screened."
****
This woman should be fired immediately.

Honest Debate said...

I can't for the life of me figure out why this guy wasn't on the no-fly list but I'm willing to reserve criticism of Napolitano until more facts are known on that issue. However, it's clear from the above comments she is a fool.

"the system worked"????

Sarkazein said...

H.D- What she meant by "the system worked" is that no feelings were hurt during the passenger screening.

Honest Debate said...

Sark,

Obama needs to hurt her feelings and can her...then again they're two peas in a pod. It's a good time to be a terrorist.

Sarkazein said...

Speaking of Obama's vacation, it is 4,500+ miles from DC to Hawaii. It is only 1,300 miles from DC to Miami.
The goof-ball cares nothing about global warming. Four jets, a herd of low MPG ground vehicles, fresh back from their Copenhagen soiree... what a bunch of chumps that believe anything Obama says.

Johnny Rico said...

Sark said:

"If someone didn't want to evacuate, they told them to write their DL # on their arm for easier identification, or just asked them for their next of kin's name and phone number."

Sark, this is the way it should be. Cops have should never have any authority to force people at gunpoint from their homes. If they don't want to leave and die, then it is on them. This kind of thing is getting way out of control. Do you think voters in Texas are pissed about this? Here in NC they can call a mandatory evacuation but have no recourse to do anything to anyone who doesn't want to leave their homes. Things here too will probably change for the worse as time goes on.

John R.

Honest Debate said...

Michelle Malkin elaborates on the "myth of the poor oppressed jihadist" with many more examples than I cited in an earlier post.

I am still having trouble grasping the reason why Janet Napolitano still has a job. Also, has anyone heard a word from Obama about this? Do these children understand the world we live in? This is unacceptable, heads need to roll. There's nothing partisan about it.

Honest Debate said...

95 terrorist at GITMO are from Yemen where this incident and the Ft. Hood massacre were masterminded. Obama wants to send them back. Brilliant.

Honest Debate said...

She's backtracking.

Honest Debate said...

This is getting more disturbing by the day. We knew his father had reported his son to the "authorities". The authority, we now learn, is the U.S. Embassy in Nigeria.

The British suspect 25 British-born Muslims are plotting more attacks.

The terrorist says there is more to come and that "We are carrying a bomb to hit the enemies of God."

It seems like the terrorist is talking, that's good. If he has direct knowledge of future attacks and clams up then I say waterboard him. Either way he should be in GITMO.

Liberal POV said...

Fear Addicts

There you teabagers go helping the terrorist spread the fear.

This man was a fool that only succeed in setting himself on fire.

Live your lives and f--K the terrorist. Stop helping them spread fear.

Your time would be far more productive worrying about drunk driver. 30 Americans a day die from drunk drivers.

Honest Debate said...

"This man was a fool that only succeed in setting himself on fire."
-LiberalPOV

He succeeded in getting a VISA despite being on a terrorist watch list.

He succeeded in getting a bomb capable of bringing down the plane on board.

He succeeded in arming that bomb in the bathroom.

He succeeded in lighting it.

He succeeded in making Napolitano utter the most idiotic statement I've heard.

Liberal POV said...

HD

I again suggest don't help spread fear and panic, that the purpose of terrorist attacts and what makes it work.
With your corporation they will continue, stop corporating. F__k terrorism live your lives. We have lots of things more dangerous than terrorism.Get a perspective.

Wolf's Head said...

"F__k terrorism live your lives"

LPOV, wow, what great advice. So having more invasive security procedures for millions of passengers means that we can't just "live our lives". Every time some idiot pulls a stunt like this you lefties cry for more restrictions on our freedoms. Well you all are the ones who refuse to do what is necessary to stop crap like this, and now everyone will pay for it.

Maybe you will have everyone flying stripped naked and given a hospital gown to wear on the planes and have their clothes and baggage sent on a cargo flight.

Obama's weakness only encourages lunatics like this. Who knows, maybe we're lucky the guy didn't hold the plane hostage and demand Obama to surrender. Obama would've caved.

The lefts incompetence is used by them as an excuse to add more gov't programs and spending at the price of our prosperity and freedom.

Honest Debate said...

Lib,

Well at least you're consistent with your hate of "corporations" but I'm confused. With your statement, "F__K terrorism" perhaps you meant "copulation", I don't know. Tee hee.

Now, before you say that I don't have a response so I attack your spelling let me point out two things. 1) You spelled "corporation" correctly, and 2)you said he "only succeed in setting himself on fire" and I gave you 5 more things he succeeded at.

I've already exposed your idiocy now I'm just making fun of you. It's not my usual style but you deserve it.

Liberal POV said...

HD

Sorry if my spelling caused you to miss the point you and the fear mongers are helping the terrorist by spreading fear and panic.

The tactic of sucide bombing or terror is only effective if the public become fearful and see the threat as overwelming.

Stop cooperating with them by spreading fear for them. F__k the terrorist live you lives as if they didn't exsist.

Honest Debate said...

"The tactic of sucide bombing or terror is only effective if the public" IS KILLED IN LARGE NUMBERS!!!

When I fly I pay attention to the other passengers (on and off the plane) and do not sleep. This is not because of fear. If I was afraid I would not fly. I am extra vigilant because I'm not stupid. I've never had to notify anyone because of any worries but I would not hesitate to do so. If I was to see someone attempt to light their fruit of the booms I'd be on them like white on rice.

Wolf's Head is exactly right. It's impossible to ignore the terrorist because of the restrictions that are imposed. Now you can't have anything on your lap for the last hour of flight. We have to take off our shoes now because of the shoe bomber. What's wrong with denying visas to terrorist on a watch list? Why don't we profile?

Liberal POV said...

HD

"What's wrong with denying visas to terrorist on a watch list? Why don't we profile?"

No debate here, but you miss the point again.
Take away the insentive for a terrorist to kill, don't react with with fear and panic. Live our live as if they didn't exsist.
Why would a person blow themselves up if it didn't even get on the news or a reaction?

Don't help them by spreading fear for them.

Liberal POV said...

HD

Cuba can give us lessons on how to make terrorism ineffective.

Orlando Bosch was a terrorist against Cuba as was Luis Posada Carriles google these men and the terrorist acts they commited.

http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB153/index.htm

Sarkazein said...

"No debate here, but you miss the point again."-POV


Your "point" is made up of a few things you have heard and misconstructed into an opinion that is at best unrealistic and cannot be related to terrorism or the fight against terrorism. Your point is not being missed, it is not a point.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

"Your "point" is made up of a few things you have heard and misconstructed into an opinion that is at best unrealistic and cannot be related to terrorism or the fight against terrorism. Your point is not being missed, it is not a point."

So you plan to keep helping the terrorist with their objectives of creating fear and panic to disrupt our way of life? Their objective is not to kill and destroy property but to spread fear and panic in disproportion to their act or power. Why are you helping with that objective?
The real damage of 911 was not twin towers or the 3000 killed but the damage we did to ourselves in reactions to this act of terrorism.
F__k the terrorist live your life as if they didn't exsist.

Liberal POV said...

HD

The lesson of this act is our military cannot stop acts of terror but better police work and communications by the state department and airport security can be should be improved. That said I'm with Wolf on any additional freedoms being forfeited or having everyone flying stripped naked and given a hospital gown to wear on the planes and have their clothes and baggage sent on a cargo flight.
A telephone call from the terrorist father warning us is as good as we could ever hope for and that failed to stop the attempt or alert airport security.

Sarkazein said...

"The real damage of 911 was not twin towers or the 3000 killed but the damage we did to ourselves in reactions to this act of terrorism."-POV


I'll bet you always hear Twilight Zone Music when the voices are quiet?

Honest Debate said...

"Why would a person blow themselves up if it didn't even get on the news or a reaction?" -LibaralPOV

What could be better that watching yourself on the news while accompanied by 72 virgins?

Lib understands radical Islam about as well as Obama.

Liberal POV said...

HD

I'm not helping spread fear and panic for them as you and Sark want to do.

Find some courage. Drunk drivers are a much bigger threat to your personal safety.

Honest Debate said...

"Find some courage" -LiberalPOV

Find the courage to take your head out of the sand and open your eyes.

Liberal POV said...

HD

"
Find the courage to take your head out of the sand and open your eyes."

That would be my advice to you.

You're helping support the acts of terrorism by spreading FEAR their main objective.

Sarkazein said...

"You're helping support the acts of terrorism by spreading FEAR their main objective."-POV

Is this the white noice you heard as you were developing your opinion?

Honest Debate said...

Funny Sark, that's the same "white noise" I hear when reading Lib's posts.

Liberal POV said...

Fear Addicts

"Is this the white noise you heard as you were developing your opinion?"

Is this your defense for spreading fear and making acts of terrorism an effective strategy against our way of life by a very small radical group?

Sarkazein said...

Proud to be "missing the point".

Honest Debate said...

What point?

Liberal POV said...

HD

You sure you want to keep the Honest Debate name? Is seem to large a challenge for you.

Professor Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV,

Why don't you and your misinformed ilk practice what you preach? Like Sark said, you are the reason for increased restrictions on American's freedom, not conservatives. I we had our way, Iraq and Afghanistan would have been over in 6 months, and we would not be in the quaqmire of a police action we are now in. Because we cannot destroy mosques or kill innocent civilians, we must tip toe around victory to appease liberals such as yourself.

Same here at home. We could certainly stop terrorists at home and abroad, but how do you do this if you cannot kill them like we did for the past 200 years? Black Jack Pershing knew how to deal with terrorists.

Again, you are the problem, not conservatives. You railed against the Patriot Act during Bush Administration (when it was used against terrorists), and now you say nothing about it when the Hussein Obama administration wants to use it against American citizens. Can you say hypocrisy?

Were you born stupid or did you just get that way somehow?

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

You make it sound so easy.

Explain what that terrorist you want to kill looks like?

This last attempt the US State Dept was warned by the terrorist father. Had the Bush Cheney torture policy been in play do you think thiss father would have turned in his son?

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

Are you a fear addict like so many others here?

Honest Debate said...

Lib,

I more than happy to stand corrected if you can show me where I'm wrong. I hate being wrong, I would be grateful.

Don't expect me to take you seriously when you claim 3000 dead are just a secondary concern for the terrorist. I refuse to dignify such idiocy.

Liberal POV said...

HD

The strategy of terrorism is to frighten, attract head lines,be on CNN and Fox news, gain world attention, inflict financial and economic instability, political instability. You continue to play along. Innocent deaths are collateral damage as the US calls it when innocent people die, these people are thinking the same way.

The US has spent billions on security, sent over 4000 men and women to their death in the name of fighting terrorism, put our country into an economic tail spin with over a trillion US dollars spent on a war the radicals wanted. The Bush Cheney doctrine was their best recruiting tool.

We are not fighting terrorism we are fighting a radical group that uses terrorism as a weapon or strategy, you're strengthening that weapon by spreading fear for them.
We actually had a success with the father turning in his own son in as a possible terrorist, if the system had functioned to relay that message.

The Obama doctrine is working. Stop reacting with fear and panic and you weaken the strategy of terrorism. F__K the terrorist live you lives, no one can guarantee your safety but you're far more likely to be killed by a drunk driver then terrorist.

Honest Debate said...

Lib,

Yea, whatever dude.

Honest Debate said...

The CIA did not share information with other agencies. If Abdulmuttalab's father reported him to the U.S. Embassy that means Hillary's State Department also knew.

The same lack of communication occured with the Ft' Hood terrorist. I'll ask the same question. Has Gorelick's wall been rebuilt?

oatz said...

Take South Carolina Republican Senator Jim DeMint’s comments to Fox News yesterday, which were featured in this morning’s lead POLITICO article on the Republican response:

“[S]oft talk about engagement, closing Gitmo, these things are not going to appease the terrorists,” he said. “They’re going to keep coming after us, and we can’t have politics as usual in Washington, and I’m afraid that’s what we’ve got right now with airport security.”

Once again, these are not just complaints about the Homeland Security bureaucracy; Republicans are calling Obama, and his strategy, weak on terrorism. While Democrats have shown a wilingness to ding DeMint for putting a hold on Obama’s nominee to head the TSA, they have been completely silent in the face of these wider criticisms, even after the president articulated a defense of his foreign policy yesterday.

Too funny.
Who in their right mind would support Obama’s weak response to man-caused disasters?
From closing Gitmo, to moving terrorists to Illinois, to holding terror trials in New York City, to bowing to commies and regime leaders, Obama’s national security policies are an unavoidable disaster. Let’s hope he changes course before we get hit again by Al-Qaeda.

Sarkazein said...

The Liberal POV's "theory" would require news black-outs, censorship, and government denial.
Imagine the poor guy that refused to buy health insurance and also blogged about Islamic extremists... we're talking about a lifetime sentence. Camps will have to open to house all the new dissidents.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

How about if you voluntarily refuse to help the extremist? Could you and others fear addicts do that?

Johnny Rico said...

To Liberal Socialist Sheep POV who is unable to answer tough questions:

"Liberal Socialists like you are the problem, not conservatives. You railed against the Patriot Act during Bush Administration (when it was used against terrorists), and now you say nothing about it when the Hussein Obama administration wants to use it against American citizens. Can you say hypocrisy?"


LOL!!

Your ole pal
Johnny Rico

PS Having fun yet

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"Explain what that terrorist you want to kill looks like?"

Well, rocket scientist, for starters they look like the Ft. Hood shooter (a terrorist) who was not turned in by his subordinates even after they knew him to be a radical. They didn't turn him in due to policies and proceedures put in place by liberals such as yourself that place political correctness ahead of personal and national security. In other words, the other majors, Lt. Colonels, and Colonels were afraid to turn the Ft Hood terrorist in for fear of being called a racist.

If I had to describe what other terrorists look like, I would point to you and the filth you spew daily. You are all about tearing America down. You should be in Gitmo (which I happen to believe is an excellant choice for terrorists).

More on describing terrorists. When the CNN video zeros in on a city block of Iraqis burning American flags and chanting "Death to America", I believe they are terrorists. A Tomahawk would take care of that city block. So yes, it is that simple you idiot. It was simple in all wars until liberal such as yourself injected your pathetic arses into the once well-running system.

So what say you terrorist?

LOL

Your ole pal
Johnny Rico

PS This ought to be interesting

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

Have you had too much pain medicine today, Johnny?

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

Where does justice fit into your world? Is justice what you call political correctness?

Had you killed the doctor at Fort hood before he was a murder you would be the murder unless you were there in that split second before the first shot was fired. Is that liberal political correctiness?

guy faulkes said...

POV, the death penalty for terrorists is not murder. killing the Fort Hood Terrorist would be justice.

You claim Obama's policies are working. Perhaps for a supporter of terrorism such as yourself, they are. We now have the Fort Hood terrorist for you to admire as well as the underwear bomber. Of course the last one has about as much competency as you do. However, he did get his chance to try.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Merry Christmas and Happy New year to you also!

I notice the only time conservative use the word justice is in a sentence with execution.

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"Had you killed the doctor at Fort hood before he was a murder you would be the murder unless you were there in that split second before the first shot was fired. Is that liberal political correctiness?"

Had soldiers been able to carry weapons on base they might have done the good deed in the "split second" before it happened now might they? Your idol Bill Clinton is the one who made it illegal for soldiers to carry weapons onto base. When I was in the military, I carried pistols and rifles as I saw fit - it wasn't even thought of as being out of the ordinary by military brass. That has all changed now due to liberal policies promulgated by idiots like you. And what do you have for your efforts at political correctness and reliance on the nanny state - dead soldiers and citizens who might have gone on living had they not been made victims. The way I see it, their blood is on YOUR HANDS.

Care to try and dig your pathetic way out of this one?

Oh, and by the way, what happened to your Cheerleader friend, Tricycle Lard? Looks like he quit (not surprising for a liberal). LOL!!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

PS This is fun!!!!

smithy

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

Could you document when it was okay for Non MP American soldiers to carry loaded weapons on Military Bases across the country here in the states?

When I was in way back in the sixties all weapons had to be accounted for and locked on return from firing range and ammo accounted for.

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"When I was in way back in the sixties all weapons had to be accounted for and locked on return from firing range and ammo accounted for."

Look dunce head, I am talking about privately owned weapons, not military owned weapons. What do you know about it, back in the sixties you were too busy spitting on returning soldiers and smoking dope to take much notice of anything. In 1992 I carried privately owned weapons onto military bases. In 1993 Clinton changed the rules to the point of registering them with the MPs. That really stopped the Ft Hood terrorist didn't it? LOL!!!!!

Since you have once again not answered any of my tough questions, here they are again:

1. Why don't you and your misinformed ilk practice what you preach? Like Sark said, you are the reason for increased restrictions on American's freedom, not conservatives. I we had our way, Iraq and Afghanistan would have been over in 6 months, and we would not be in the quaqmire of a police action we are now in. Because we cannot destroy mosques or kill innocent civilians, we must tip toe around victory to appease liberals such as yourself.

Same here at home. We could certainly stop terrorists at home and abroad, but how do you do this if you cannot kill them like we did for the past 200 years? Black Jack Pershing knew how to deal with terrorists.

Again, you are the problem, not conservatives. You railed against the Patriot Act during Bush Administration (when it was used against terrorists), and now you say nothing about it when the Hussein Obama administration wants to use it against American citizens. Can you say hypocrisy?

Your dearest pal

Johnny Rico

Samantha

Libeal POV said...

Johnny

" Because we cannot destroy mosques or kill innocent civilians,"

I believe its the Bush Cheney Doctrine as they put it "take the gloves off" you want to return to.

This killing on innocent Civilians and torturing suspectsonly turned the world against us and was a great recuriting tool for the extremist. No one in the current military leadership ( West Point )is preaching that line of bullshit. The Cheney Doctrine failed.

Honest Debate said...

Lib,

Not destroying Mosques or killing innocent civilians WAS the Bush/Cheney rule. What are you even talking about?

Sarkazein said...

Muslims are blowing up innocent Muslims (INTENTIONALLY) all over the world. There were Muslims on the airplane the Underpants Bomber attempted to blow up. The Shiites are blowing up the Sunnis, the Palestinians are blowing up the Palestinians when not blowing up the Israelis or westerners. Yet, the politically insane say it is America's fault when the Muslims kill us because Bush and Chenney made them mad. The politically insane "think" the first WTC bombing, the USS Cole, the Marine Barracks, the Embassies, were all because the Muslims knew in advance that Bush/Chenney IN THE FUTURE would make them mad .
POV, you are politically insane. There is no HOPE for you.

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said"

"I believe its the Bush Cheney Doctrine as they put it "take the gloves off" you want to return to."

Uh oh, blaming Bush for Hussein Obamas inability to protect America. I wonder when you will quit blaming the guy? At any rate, what you say is profoundly false. When did Bush/Cheney doctrine EVER "take the gloves off" as you say? Did we start blowing up mosques? Did we repeal rules of engagement? Did we ever open fire on civilian Muslims that deserved it? The answer is no to all the above. So where in the world could you have pulled that from (LOL!!!!)

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"This killing on innocent Civilians and torturing suspectsonly turned the world against us and was a great recuriting tool for the extremist. No one in the current military leadership ( West Point )is preaching that line of bullshit. The Cheney Doctrine failed."

What killing of innocent civilians are you referring to? When did this happen? You seem a bit confused (apart from being a simpleton), are you off your meds again? LOL!!!

You see, it is because we are NOT killing civilians that this police action is drawing on. When we killed civilians in Germany and Japan during WWII, it brought the war to the people. Things were so very bad that their will to fight vanished. That is something worthy of mentioning as the Japs and Krauts were real extremists (Nazis and Bushido Code) when compared with the sand fleas of Iraq or Afghanistan. To make a Samauri warrier up and quit is real strategy. This will never occur unless we quit using "smart bombs" (an oxymoron" and go back to using dumb bombs (another oxymoron). Carpet bombing whole citis and villages along with thousand piece artillary barrages would kill and deflate the terrorist mindset.

You are right, the military is no longer preaching this type of warfare due to politically correct liberals such as yourself. Funny how liberals suddenly know how to fight wars and choose the correct strategy when, 35 years ago, they were spitting on American soldiers and dodging the draft. You are a real rocket scientist POV, do you realize that!!! LOL!!!!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Bill

PS Just keeping it real for you!!!!!!!!!!

Libeal POV said...

Sark

"Muslims are blowing up innocent Muslims (INTENTIONALLY) all over the world. There were Muslims on the airplane the Underpants Bomber attempted to blow up. The Shiites are blowing up the Sunnis, the Palestinians are blowing up the Palestinians when not blowing up the Israelis or westerners."

You make an excellent point here and Muslims make up more of the world's population than Christians 20%.

We need the moderates among them as allies not enemies. That's why Cheney, Guy, HD and our girl Johnnny have it wrong.

Live your lives and f--K the terrorist. Stop helping them spread fear.

Your time would be far more productive worrying about drunk driver. 30 Americans a day die from drunk drivers.

Libeal POV said...

Johnny

"You are right, the military is no longer preaching this type of warfare due to politically correct liberals such as yourself"

Could it be the folks at the military war college are smarter than you and can see when doing the same thing over and over the last decade resulted in a failed strategy for us and think its time to change that stradegy?

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

Which war college do you refer to? National War College, Naval War College, Air War College, or Army War College? Do you know the difference between them?

When my boyfriend attended one of the service schools, he was amazed that they have not "changed strategy" over the years. He says they simply prolonged a losing strategy that has been in place since Vietnam. This stratey results from liberal losers such as yourself.

Balls in your court loser.

Johnny Rico

PS This ought to be interesting.

Beatrice

Liberal POV said...

Johnny Girl

All of them!
Of course you would know more about world history,world politic and military strategy then the people that have a life time studying such matters.
Perhaps instead of trying to convince me you should just call the pentagon and share you great knowledge.

guy faulkes said...

POV, Rico has a personal connection with someone that attended one of the War Colleges on which to base her opinion.

You did not know there were more than one college. On what do you base your opinions? Could it be that you pulled them out of your rectum?

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"All of them!
Of course you would know more about world history,world politic and military strategy"

All of them eh? That's kind of funny considering service schools are on a graduated scale of tactical, operational, and strategy based concepts. You see, each service begins with basic tactics in the Advanced Officer course which is a bit different for each military occupational speciality (MOS). After the advanced course comes Command and General Staff College which is usually reserved for top tier Majors. This course bridges the gap between tactics and operationially based concepts. From here top tier Lt. Colonels attend their respective branch's War College (Marines generally go to Naval War College). These colleges touch upon operational concepts and make a general foray into strategy. Then you have the National War College which is generally recognized as the planet's premier school of grand strategy. Top tier Lt. Colonels and Colonels from ALL SERVICES attend National War College, and it is a prerequisite to make General or Civilian Senior Executive Service. So, no, not all the service schools do what you think they do. Then again, you may simply have an overactive imagination.

At any rate, these schools must follow the goals and objectives set forth by civilian leaders. If the leaders are of a liberal slant, then war fighting takes on an equally liberal slant all the way from the Officer Advanced Course to the National War College. In a nutshell this is how liberal political correctness has shattered our national security and ruined our once proud military. Believe it or not, many of our nation's military are liberals such as yourself because they have to be in order to be promoted or advance beyond the rank of Captain (0-3).

Quit talking out of your rectum as Faulks said, because those of us that understand what we are talking about will make you look even worse than we usually do.

O, and by the way, did you know "Starship Troopers" by Robert Heinlein is quite regularly on the West Point recommended reading list? Judging from your ignorant view of service schools in general, I doubt you do.

As for my knowledge of world history and politics, I have garnered much of what I know by traveling the world. My company regularly sends me to work overseas. To date, I have spent time more than a couple months each in Africa, Hungary, Romania, Slovakia, Ukraine, Honduras, Egypt, Thialand, and Australia. And how did you become so ignorant of world history, politics and the American condition you idiot?

LOL!!!!

Johnny Rico

PS Got a bug problem, sir?

David

Liberal POV said...

Johnny


Like I said of course you would know more about world history,world politic and military strategy then the people that have a life time studying such matters.
Perhaps instead of trying to convince me that genocide and torture are the answer, you should just call the pentagon and share you great knowledge.

guy faulkes said...

I think Rico just humiliated POV, even is POV is unable to realize it.

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

"I have spent time more than a couple months each in Africa, Hungary, Romania, Slovakia, Ukraine, Honduras, Egypt, Thialand, and Australia."

Wow! I do find that suprising, Johnny you just don't sound like someone with a world view or experience.

What type work did you do in these countries? Did you pick up any of the langage or learn the culture?
Were you able to mix with the locals?

Could you take Guy on your next trip to get him some exposure to the outside world?

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"What type work did you do in these countries? Did you pick up any of the langage or learn the culture?
Were you able to mix with the locals?"

Who are you to assess knowledge, skills, and abilities as they relate to differing values, customs, and beliefs? Who made you the all knowing God of culture? Your close minded view of everything from freedom to personal responsibility makes you a very unlikely candidate to know even a little of other cultures. And yes, I do speak a foreign language, fluently. Do you? LOL!!! That's what I thought - more apathetic ramblings from the hypocrite POV.

And do you not have something smart, or maybe even an offlining questions regarding military service schools? You obviously don't know one iota about them and I called you on it because I do. And you were supposedly a Vietnam Vet. Uh huh, how was Canada during the war my liberal socialist sheep of a friend? LOL!!!

PS I bet you are ready for another comment that the administrator will delete aren't you you little pathetic socialist sheep of a lower class organism? LOL!!!!!!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

PS I won

Mark Simmons

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

I'm just saying I do find your world travel surprising, Johnny, you just don't sound like someone with a world view or experience.

When did you become so angry and intolerant?

Simon Jester said...

POV, for someone that cannot even spell, you certainly think a lot about your ability to judge if another person can have a good world view.

Liberal POV said...

Simon

How's your world view?

Does God only bless Americans?

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"When did you become so angry and intolerant?"

I have fed poor starving villagers whenever possible in West Africa for over two months. I lived with those villagers and saw true, honest to goodness poverty. And I am intolerant and angry?

If there is anything I am intolerant and angry about, it was watching smug, elitest UN "negotiators" (usually from Great Britain) disarm these poor villagers whilst doing nothing about the "militias" who were (are) free to roam the countryside pillaging as they please. You see, the UN Peacekeeps as they have been named, make the poor and oppressed victims in the overall scheme of things. I tried to pin down one of these negotiators in a pub outside Accra on this very issue, and the idiot left the bar rather than talk to a woman who knew the real truth!!!!!

This brings up Sudan from which I knew many displaced refugees. Darfur in the Sudan is still undergoing conflict in the form of genocide. We heard a lot of trash talk about Bush doing nothing in Darfur, yet the subject is NEVER talked about these days under Hussein Obama.

Because I spent time in Africa and understand a little bit about its tragic culture, I am indeed angry and intolerant. The anger and intolerance is directed at organizations like the UN, big government policies that oppress the poor (health care), and the demise of personal responsibility (garnered by liberals).

And why should I not be angered and intolerant of this?

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Kim Carter

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

"I have fed poor starving villagers whenever possible in West Africa for over two months. I lived with those villagers and saw true, honest to goodness poverty."

This humanitian and compassionate side of you has never came across in your blogging here that I could detect. I'm happy to know you have that side also.

Johnny Rico said...

Sir,

I have been compassionate in all that I say on this blog and others. Remember, I am the one on Watauga Watch, before Pammy and husband started censoring, who advocated a strategy to put power in the hands of communities and the people similar to the train you talk about building which I happen to think is a fine idea as long as it doesn't limit the rights of citizens in any way (stupid gun policies). Remember when I broached the issue of small scale water power dams that once provided small communities with electric power? Why is no one thinking of bringing these relics back? The old dams on Middle Fork at Payne Branch Road and the one on Watauga River near the cut off to Hounds Ears are two examples (many more exist). Why not harness falling water into power as a renewable resource? This in conjunction with solar and wind power would create enormous "green energy" opportunities throughout the Southern Appalachians. The dam at Chetola is another prime energy producing spot.

I find it appalling that this has been ignored so long. About the only drawback to these dams is the fact the lakes they back up become filled with silt over time. I personally don't think this is a drawback for two reasons. First, jobs are created removing the silt. Two, there are farmers and others who would love to get their hands on nutrient rich silt (as long as it is uncontaminated with chemicals such as those released twice by the Town of Blowing Rock that killed fish all the way to Watauga River).

In addition to the jobs and power, the lakes immediately become recreation areas for folks to enjoy the natural environment. Doing this is important in Watauga County as it would take the pressure off Cone and Price lakes while at the same time contributing to wildlife management through the increased sales of fishing licenses. A win win situation for all involved. But the liberals NEVER push for renewable resources such as this. ASU Professors NEVER talk about this as they seem too busy blustering about ANWR to think of their own backyard. I, for the life of me, don't understand it.

My compassion extends to the common men and women. Why not give our citizens the tools to live as functioning members of society who actually give to society rather than take away? What I mean by this is that responsible people make contributing citizens as opposed to citizens who detract from society.

I have an example for you. Small scale farming. Imagine for a moment if some of the stimulus money that is going to Wall Street, Car Makers (who make inferior cars) and other rich elitests instead went to enourage folks like you and me to buy, say, 10 acres of land for the purpose of small scale agriculture. Imagine the jobs and resources that would be created by such an endeavor. Thousands of small scale farms buying farming related supplies is just one aspect of the commerce that would blossom immediately. Then, and best of all, folks would become a bit more sustainable instead of relying on the nanny state for everything. And, yes, the wildlife would certainly benefit from this situation also as it did many years ago in Watauga County before the land developers arrived. I cannot remember the last time I heard a bobwhite quail near my home. Tax breaks for planting a percentage of your crop for wildlife anyone?

Johnny Rico said...

continued


I have seen abject poverty at its worst all over the globe. Seeing this made me realize that power comes from the people. Only the people can prevent the Rwandas, Sudans, Cambodias (Kampuchea), and Sierra Leons from occuring. Relying on politicians is the worst possible thing we can do. So, yes, my compassionate side belongs in the "green sector, only I believe in a different way of getting there than you POV. For all of our apparent differences on this blog, it is too bad all of us cannot come together and agree that politicans mean no good in anything they do, no matter what side of the fence they stand on. Too bad we cannot come together and do something about it. It would do me nothing better than to see true public service with the poeple serving the wishes of the people for FREE. Vote them all out and send a message.

How is that for compassion?

Johnny Rico

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

Wow! You surprise me again and I'm not being sarcastic this time.
I agree with most of what you say in post January 3, 2010 4:05 PM.

To make those things happen unfortunately we do need honest political leadership working for those issues and our common good.

Todays American political system has built in filters to prevent most honest common good political leaders from achieving political office.
Most farming has been taken over by major corporations

The big multi national corporations, banking, insurance, Coal, oil, sugar, Chemicals, tobacco, prison lobby own political leaders on both sides.

guy faulkes said...

POV, have you ever heard of the stock market? Who do you think owns the corporations? If you were really in the private sector and had any kind of retirement plan, you were a part owner of some of them. If you do not or did not like the way a company that you had a partial ownership was being run, then the only person to blame for not changing its policies is you. You have or had the right to promote changes in any corporation in which you owned stock through a mutual fund.

I guess we can expect an apology for your delinquency in trying to affect any of these changes you feel were necessary in your companies.

Politicians do not necessarily support corporations. They support themselves. The refusal to let us become energy independent by drilling for our own oil is an example.

We need to use ALL of our resources, including solar, wind, hydro, coal oil, natural gas, etc. As the Green technology becomes more financially viable, it will take its share of the market. As the anti energy politicians lose their offices due to their support of the hoax of global warming and Cap and Trade, conventional energy prices will drop. A better day is coming.

Honest Debate said...

LiberalPOV, thank you for riling up Ms. Rico!

Johnny Rico, nice work. Particularly the last two post.

I love the idea of small scale farming. Power to the people. I think the key is the small scale part. This also, in my view applies, to technologies like solar power. Forget the grid just make a panel that will power a refrigerator. Put solar panels on top of tractor trailers driving across the country. They can charge truckloads of battery driven appliances and gadgets. There was talk of Hydrogen power cells a few years back, don't know what came of them. That would be cool, power your whole house. There's a place for this "green" crap if it's small scale and in the private sector.

The thing that really pushed my button is the dam idea. Our farm is at the end of a dead end road and there are hundreds of acres of wilderness behind us. Creeks on our land dump into the Middle Little River which dumps into the Catawba River. We have recently acquired land on the Middle Little River. "Rink Dam" separates the river from Lake Hickory (Catawba River). It was built in 1925 and is owned by Duke Power. It impounds an 800 acre lake (with only 4 houses on it) that's plum full of fish...biguns. I access it from the river in my back yard.

I have talked to Duke Power about the dam. They will sell it for $10 although Mr. Featherstone said he might take $8. It comes with no land (just the concrete) but does include the water. The liability in also included. It's a dream of mine. I'd like to farm fish one day. I have no idea what it would take to get the dam going again. I'd love to do it and may one day.

I've left out the parts about the heirs I got the land from (they have no deed just a land grant from the Queen), the cartway that's not a right-of-way, ol' bridge #228 (built in 1910) that I procured from the NCDOT and the mystery land where the confederate soldiers mustered at the first Wittenberg Post Office. I've got a cool yard.

Maybe I will tell you about the bridge since I'm out here. I read about it in 2007 and put mu name on the list. The NCDOT regularly relocates bridges. This one is single lane and must be replaced. It's on the historic registry and they would like to redirect the demolition cost to disassembly and delivery. The first choice is a State, the second a city or county municipality, the third an historic organization and the last is a private person. I put my name on the list anyway and followed up for a year and a half and got it. Here it is. It was scheduled for Jan. 2009 but they put it off until Jan. 2010 (now). It's a "shovel ready" infrastructure project. I need to check on it. It will connect our farm to the River via deeded right-of-way. It will be used primarily for horse trails with an occaisional john boat pulled by a small truck. Mine.

Johnny Rico said...

Honest Debate,

Congradulations in becoming the owner of a historic and eye catching bridge. That is fantastic. The "Rink Dam" you mentioned that is owned by Duke Power, does the dam produce power?

It sounds like this dam is similar to thousands of other similar dams that used to produce power to local communities. They no longer do as the the advent of coal fired plants and high voltage transmission lines made these dams too expensive to run. In the past several years however, technology has progressed to the point that hydro turbines are extremely effecient - far more than those of a hundred years ago, which translates to small dams such as yours being viable sources of renewable power.

Your land in Iredell County is perfect for small scale farming. That type of thing is very exciting and with an impoundment on your property to boot, the opportunities are endless. If folks, nationwide, were to engage in small scale farming, the benefits to wildlife alone would be enormous. In fact, some say we could actually make up for the loss of habitat if farming returned to rural America.

Another effort that would increase job opportunties while automatically increasing the security and freedom of United States citizens are shooting ranges. Similar to Switzerland, where shooting ranges are scattered all over the country, the US could benefit from a similar scenario. Gun manufactures are one of the few sectors in our economy making profit right now. Imagine the profit and job creation opportunities that would result from stimulus funds going towards building shooting ranges in each and every state (on a large scale). Shooting ranges bring communities together, give folks a wholesome and extremely safe sport to engage in, are good for all ages, and support our Constitution.

The opportuntites are endless to improve and make America strong again, let's just hope we can vote out all the politicians who don't see it that way (on both sides of the fence).

Johnny Rico

J. Rico

Honest Debate said...

Johnny, yeah the dam once produced power. It was built by the Great Falls Manufacturing Company they sold it to Crescent who sold it to Duke. I'm not sure when they shut it down but I've heard they sometimes filled the drains with concrete when they did. I'm not sure if this is the case with Rink Dam but Duke Power has no intention of salvaging it. I'd love to do it, the water never stops.

The dam is here in Alexander County, the bridge is still in Iredell.

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guy faulkes said...

Gentle persons, I have read with interest your discussion on the production of power on a small scale. I think this is a great idea, especially if one can produce his own power and not be on the grid.

Most of you discussion seems to be on tying local electric plants into the grid. While this is an admirable goal, being off the grid is even more so. This makes one energy independent and self sufficient to an even greater degree. Being self sufficient is always a good thing. After all, the largest threat an out of control building inspector has is to not let the power company hook up you electricity.

The Wolf just told me that he has read that some company is going to be producing a battery that will power a home for a month. If this is used in conjunction with a wind generator and a large inverter, you are self sufficient. The only problem will be the cost. However, as this technology becomes more in demand, production will soar, the price will drop, and more innovation will be used to produce better products of this type in the future. Thus goes the free market.

Simon Jester said...

Sark, your link did not work. Was it a picture of BikerBard?

Here is a link you might enjoy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiyqvuTxaEs&videos=IWbiUNxHdj8&playnext_from=TL&playnext=1

Sarkazein said...

Simon Jester-

Yours was a strong video link... mine not so much.


Profile Terrorist

Honest Debate said...

Guy,

The Rink Dam project would be huge but it's sitting there for someone to take a risk on it. Hopefully that person or entity would get rich.

More likely to happen is harnessing the nearby creeks. A water wheel and a small generator is very doable. 60 amps of 240 volts would be enough. Getting off the grid would be fantastic! I also think lessening your dependence on the grid is good. If you can heat your water with solar or your house with wood then that's great.

AS a practical matter, if I build that waterwheel, I would be both on and off the grid. If the generator is AC then its power cannot be stored. The electric companies are required by law to pay you for that power. When you use less power than you generate the meter runs backwards. If you use more than you generate (gotta little welding to do while the dryer is running) then the "grid" is right there. Since the creek generates 24/7 there would probably be a profit.

guy fauleks said...

HD you are correct in your assessment of the grid having to purchase power from you. However, I am personally more interested in being able to provide my own power with no connection to the grid. I you are connected to the grid, when the grid is down as with the ice storm, then your production is forced to shut down while the lines are being repaired (to the best of my knowledge). I prefer to be stand alone. I am also of the understanding that DC generation is much cheaper than AC generation. This is why one needs a large inverter to run his home or he would have to use DC appliances, lighting, etc. to wire his home. (Yes, POV, I know that lights will run with either AC or DC, but they burn out quickly if not designed for the proper power source.)

HD, I am sure you know more than I do about this technology. Can you recommend any source materials? Also, I am very interested in acquiring a bridge in the manner you have indicated. Can you provide source materials or a contact person with the DOT with whom I can get in touch?

Liberal POV said...

HD and Johnny

Check out Linney's Mill in Alexander Cty. They have or use to have a generator producing electricity.

http://linneysmill.com/About_Us.html

guy faulkes said...

Sark, great picture. Very funny. :-)

Simon Jester, it would not appear that this is BB, because nothing suggests a bike. My mental image of him is a short, fat guy dressed as the Leatherman in the Village People. However, I could be wrong. I should not prejudge how he looks. My apologies to BB.

Honest Debate said...

Guy,

Here's a link to the NCDOT's bridge reuse program.

My knowledge of generating power is limited so I can't recommend anything in particular but there's a wealth of stuff on the internet. DC has a big advantage in that you can store the power in batteries. With AC you'd need a way to dissipate what you were not using into light or heat. Getting completely off the grid is a laudable goal.

Honest Debate said...

I just got off the phone with the DOT guy and it's on! They're hammering out the last details on the contract with the contractor who must contact me 2 weeks before work begins around the first of February. I'll have three years to put it up.

Honest Debate said...

Guy,

I was looking at the bridge link. I'm not sure what your needs are but there are some opportunities. The thing to look for is the "NR Eligible" field. If the bridge is eligible for the National Registry (NR) then it's free and delivered if you agree to preserve it. That was my deal anyway, the others they sell. Of the 8 listed 5 are NR eligible. One of those (Bridge 228) is mine. Another says "Recipient Identified" but there must not be a signed contract yet. The city of Statesville was interested in my bridge (recipient identified) for a park but didn't sign the contract. I followed up and when given the opportunity did sign. If your serious, make contact, present a good case and follow up. I'll bet you will be successful. There are 3 more up for grabs. One is 220 feet long and 36 feet wide! That's a big deal but who knows...come up with a plan.

guy faulkes said...

HD, thank you very much for the information. A civic organization to which I belong needs a bridge to connect some of its properties. This will be a great help.