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Friday, December 18, 2009

China Not Impressed


President Obama tries to sell his "hope and change" to Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao at the United Nations Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen. The body language speaks volumes.

149 comments:

Wolf's Head said...

I'm not impressed either.

Sarkazein said...

The picture does look as he is begging his rich uncle to bail him out one more time. If Obama had a hat, it would be in his hands.
Uncle Wen looks like the adult in the picture that ain't buying his idiot nephew's BS.

guy faulkes said...

I have a picture of my nephew using the same body language position as Obama. As I recall, he was saying, "But, Uncle Guy, I really need to borrow your car!"

bridle said...

Our President is once again in the position of trying to clean up behind the Republican administration. Thanks to W's reckless warmongering and insane tax cuts for the rich, our national debt nearly doubled during his regime, rising from 54% to 74% of GDP. Considering that a huge proportion of that debt is held by China, Obama is in no position to swagger and threaten the Chinese.

Honest Debate said...

Bridle,

Please tell me you are not serious with that very tired line.

bridle said...

Can you seriously contest it?

Honest Debate said...

Yes,

The tax cuts brought in more revenue period. It happened, numbers don't lie. If you want to talk spending that's different. If not for the tax cuts Clinton's recession would not have been as shallow and 9/11 would have likely done the market in. That is not insane.

"Reckless warmongering"?!?!?!? 12 years, 17 UN resolutions, The Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, an avowed enemy shooting at our jets, attempting to assassinate our President, with WMD and nuke program in a post 9/11 world. No dude, the onus is on you to explain how we could have justified not going to Iraq. Disagree with the war, fine but to throw out terms like "reckless warmongering" is stupid, inaccurate and does not move debate forward. Same with the tax cut thing.

Now do you want to compare Obama's debt to China with Bush's? It's your deal now Bush is gone. Get over it.

I can't believe you're serious.

If you want to talk war and taxes, fine but please bring a modicum of intelligence and historical perspective instead of the usual meaningless talking point drivel.

Honest Debate said...

When will liberals finally figure out that the "Tax cuts for the rich, illegal war for oil, Bush made Obama spend more that ever thought possible" argument has been lost?

Sarkazein said...

Bridle-

So in your false indignation about the national debt, how is it you are not many times more angry at Obama and the existing Democrat controlled Congress as they increase the deficit and the debt more than any other regime in history.
For example, paying Hillary's pollster Penn $Millions, as campaign debt payment with our tax money.
Where is your anger? This, showing yours as false indignation. Honesty does not exist in liberal rebuttals.

bridle said...

HD- What I said was 1) During the Bush administration the national debt nearly doubled (from 5.6 trillion to 10.7 trillion).
2) A significant portion of that debt is owned by the Chinese.
3) Obama can't act like an arrogant jerk when dealing with the country that owns so much of the US.
Do you contest any of those points?

bridle said...

Was the Iraq war reckless?

Of course it was. It is a costly tragic quagmire and the Iraqis have suffered terribly from the arrogance and blundering incompetence of the Neocon agenda. Sure Saddam was a vicious beast, but he was our vicious beast,from the National security archives We didn't care about his cruelty until he invaded Kuwait, whereupon the Saudis got annoyed and manipulated their puppet emperor, (Bush the first), into putting Saddam in his place. No on in the Bush government would have cared two cents if vast oil fields were not at stake.

bridle said...

Sark, The national debt, like household debt has a tremendous momentum. If you have major medical expenses and use up all your savings, you must then use credit cards to buy food and basic necessities and so you go deeper and deeper into debt before you can start to turn things around. Please recall the budget surplus that Clinton left us. It took 8 years of profligacy and corruption to get us in this mess. Of course those who supported the reckless destruction of our financial system are desperate to forget the past and pretend all our troubles began in January 2009.

Sarkazein said...

Bridle-

It's plain and it's simple... Congress did not cut spending. (period)

Sarkazein said...

Bridle wrote-" Of course those who supported the reckless destruction of our financial system are desperate to forget the past and pretend all our troubles began in January 2009."



You are right, Barney Frank, ACORN (Obama), Federal regulators, Chris Dodd, Barney Franks boyfriend and all at Fannie Mae don't want to remember it. They specially don't want to remember the warnings coming from President Bush and other Democrat proclaimed racists warning of the credit crisis in 2003.

Sarkazein said...

"Sark, The national debt, like household debt has a tremendous momentum. If you have major medical expenses and use up all your savings, you must then use credit cards to buy food and basic necessities and so you go deeper and deeper into debt before you can start to turn things around."-Bridle


No, you don't do that. The government does and will have to declare default, just as the individual declares bankruptcy. Once you stop paying or are maxed out on your credit cards, YOU can't just print more money.
There is NO comparison. You can't go and force your neighbor to give you some of his money. Yet.

bridle said...

Sark, If you have no money for food, you either go into debt or die. Our government is in the situation where we must invest in jobs creation, and energy research, or go belly up. If we don't create jobs, we will go into another great depression. If we don't create alternate energy, we will be destroyed when OPEC cuts oil production, and if they don't, we will be destroyed by climate change.

bridle said...

Sark - In 2003, Republicans controlled congress and the White House. If they foresaw the problems then, they should have done something about them. My mother used to tell me about the great depression, but then she soothed my concerns by saying that the government had instituted regulations that prevented any more such disasters. One of those regulations was the Glass-Steagall Act. This was designed to protect our financial system by preventing banks from investing in risky speculative ventures. Republicans who controlled congress in the later part of Clinton's administration did not like the idea that potential profits could be limited by government regulations. In 1999 Glass Steagall was repealed by the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act- named for the Republicans who introduced it. Banks were allowed to combine risky deals with the financial services on which our social security depends. This set the stage for the creation of financial industries that became "too big to fail."
Acorn had nothing to do with the risky loans. Acorn loans were regulated and were required to conform with proceedures consistant with the "safe and sound operation of such institutions".

Sarkazein said...

"Sark, If you have no money for food, you either go into debt or die."-Bridle

Wrong. If so, all would die within 15+- days after they were cut-off by the evil lenders. Just ain't true. It's laffable yet cryable.

Bridle wrote-"Acorn had nothing to do with the risky loans. Acorn loans were regulated and were required to conform with proceedures consistant with the "safe and sound operation of such institutions".

Laffable and cryable. I guess being a young hooker madam for an underage illegal immigrant stable, is one of your qualifications.

Sarkazein said...

Bridle, you ask why did the Republican Congress not do anything about it. Just like The current Congress has to threaten, deceive, lie, and bribe to get legislation passed, the Republicans were not capable of such treachery to pass legislation. But don't get me wrong, I believe the Republican Congress did not do what it should have either. When the Republicans did warn of the fall of the mortgage credit in the way of Fannie Mae, they were called racists and homophobes.

bridle said...

Sark - Are you saying the Republican congress was too pure and goodhearted to get anything done?!!
Really??!!
"When the Republicans did warn of the fall of the mortgage credit in the way of Fannie Mae, they were called racists and homophobes."
Can you supply a citation for your assertion?
As for the Acorn scandal, it was appalling for sure. However I wonder if on that "fair and balanced" show you get your "news" from, was anything said about the offices in where they were turned away or reported to the police?

guy faulkes said...

Bridle, did you not check out the new york times link to tax cuts producing greater gross national products. You refuse to acknowledge facts no matter how many times they are provided to you. You are getting as bad as POV. Your theory has already been debunked. Telling the lie over and over does not make it more believable. This liberal tactic has worn thin.

What do you think of Watauga Watch now calling Obama a conservative? This is your kind of logic. Hilarious!

bridle said...

Guy - It makes sense that some targeted tax cuts would increase gdp. Tax cuts for the working and middle classes, small business, tax credits to encourage investment in green energy and conservation are all reasonable ways to encourage investment. But when CEOs and investment bankers make 5 million dollars a year, they should get taxed at the 90% rate. Vast accumulations of wealth in a few hands represent a terrible danger to our society. The estate tax is an appropriate vehicle to derive revenue necessary for essential services without impacting business investment. This radical progressive idea to redistribute the wealth was first propounded (as far as I know) by that beloved of conservatives, Thomas Paine in Agrarian Justice.
" All accumulation, therefore, of personal property, beyond what a man's own hands produce, is derived to him by living in society; and he owes on every principle of justice, of gratitude, and of civilization, a part of that accumulation back again to society from whence the whole came. "

bridle said...

Guy - It does look like Obama is trying to be more conservative than I would like. Do you give him credit for that?

Sarkazein said...

Bridle- This is a video summarizing the root cause of the financial collapse. Banks were allowed to invest in quasi government financial instruments through Fannie-Mae.

LYNCHING

bridle said...

Sark - My understanding is that the bad investments came about because lenders made irresponsible loans and then sold those loans to banks as speculative investments. There was no incentive for the lenders to vet their loans because they would bundle them as investment instruments and get rid of them. Banks, released from the restrictions previously imposed by Glass-Steigall, bought those lousy investments hoping to use them to shore up their balances sheets. Everyone wanted to get in on this, which caused lenders to employ deceptive practices to sucker more chumps into borrowing in order to create more bundles of high-risk loans to sell.
I was getting all kinds of come-ons via email and snail mail from lenders who wanted me to borrow money from them. (None of those solicitations were from Acorn, by the way.)
You may be right that F. May was involved but I don't know how. Can you explain (in simple terms)for me?

Sarkazein said...

Mortgage-Backed Securities

Mortgage-backed securities (MBS) are debt obligations that represent claims to the cash flows from pools of mortgage loans, most commonly on residential property. Mortgage loans are purchased from banks, mortgage companies, and other originators and then assembled into pools by a governmental, quasi-governmental, or private entity. The entity then issues securities that represent claims on the principal and interest payments made by borrowers on the loans in the pool, a process known as securitization.

The quasi-government mortgage underwriters had the "safest" investment. A slight bump in the economy set off a domino effect in the credit market.

My bank (stock holder and depositor) , Frost Bank of Texas, had no investments of this sort and remains strong today.

Sarkazein said...

Bridle- As to ACORNS fault in this, they demanded through law suits and thuggery that banks lend to those who could not qualify.
In your view, banks are predatory if they do, and stingy if they don't. In reality, this view leads to default. And you case starvation.

Sarkazein said...

should read "... in your case.."

guy faulkes said...

No, Bridle, he deserves not credit. He is trying to survive politically by moving to the right. Clinton was forced to do the same thing. The difference is that Clinton's effort worked. Obama is toast. His far left socialist policies have doomed him and the Democrat party. I read where Obama has also tried to bride the abortion issue away and may succeed. If the health care bill passes over the objections of the people, then both houses may be either under Republican control or at least conservative control. This may include conservative Democrats or members of a third party that is fed up with the status quo.

Your persistence in refusing to acknowledge facts, logic, history, and common sense as to the cause of the credit crisis and the results of tax cuts coupled with reduced government spending, would be astounding if it were not so humorous. I am sure Obama being forced to move right does upset a far lefty like you.

bridle said...

Sark - It sounds like we both agree that financial institutions should be regulated so as to prevent the predatory and unsafe speculation that nearly brought down our financial system. Do you believe Gramm Leach Bliley is in part responsible for last year's meltdown?

Sarkazein said...

On November 4th, the final bill resolving the differences was passed by the Senate 90-8,[12] [13] and by the House 362-57. This legislation (whose voting margins, if repeated, would easily have overcome any Presidential veto) was signed into law by Democratic President Bill Clinton on November 12, 1999.

Bridle, you are writing about the above bill? If that wasn't bi-partisan, i don't know what is.
No I don't think this bill was responsible for the financial crisis other than the fact that the Democrats negotiated in the Community Reinvestment Act. This put the weight of liberalism on what was left of the free market. The market could not bare the weight of the lending caused by this act.

Sarkazein said...

Bridle- also, the bill did not get rid of the regulations on banks, insurance companies, and security companies. It does prove that government cannot protect you in all cases. You need to protect yourself.
The more the government (D or R ) gets involved, the bigger chance you have of getting screwed.

Sarkazein said...

Bridle- Wait 'til the government is knee deep in your prostate exam, the financial crisis will seem like nothing in comparison.

bridle said...

What are you talking about? The bill repealed Glass-Steagall, which had formerly separated speculative investment from banking services. The security of banks is crucial to the security of our society. Allowing banks to participate in risky financial shell games risks failure of the banks, loss of capital, and loss of confidence in our system. Which in fact happened.
Where do you get such boundless confidence in this magical "free market" that supposedly can run itself? Where has a totally free market ever existed that didn't get corrupted and taken over by some mafia or warlord or monopolistic entity?
And why do you hate the very idea of "liberalism"?
Definitions of liberalism from Google.
-"Liberalism is a belief in gradual social progress by changing laws, rather than by revolution."
"Liberalism is the belief that people should have a lot of political and individual freedom."
"liberal - a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties "
Why do you use this word with such hostility?
I see myself as a fiscal conservative and a social liberal. Meaning I want to see money spent on things such as health and education, libraries, parks, and such things that will pay off in the future. I hate to see money go to wars, corruption, sleazy politicians and televangelists who live in McMansions with gold faucets and bidets.

bridle said...

Sark, I would love to have what the French or the Canadians or the Brits or any other civilized country in the world has for health care.
When I was a kid my family was covered by military health care. We did fine. I got excellent dental care and health care. I know several of my contemporaries who went to private dentists and got terrible care.
Government programs can be good if good people are running them. They can be awful if incompetent people are in charge. Same thing with private industry. But private companies are not accountable to the public they serve. They can, absent government oversight, lie, and distort and cheat the public. And given that their primary mission is to make money, they have strong incentive to do so.

Sarkazein said...

Bridle- If you are for government health-care, you are officially NOT a fiscal conservative. If you are for Obama's quadrupling the deficit, you are NOT a fiscal conservative. If you think it is OK to use federal tax money to repay people for political favors, you are NOT a fiscal conservative.

Sarkazein said...

Bridle-

CHOICE is what separates the two, and makes your comment untrue, as you can not choose governments...unless you move of course to the UK, Canada or France...as is your choice.


"Government programs can be good if good people are running them. They can be awful if incompetent people are in charge. Same thing with private industry"-Bridle

Honest Debate said...

Bridle,

Nice debate between you and Sark. You're loosing gracefully. I'll leave the banking thing to ya'll but go back.

What you said was: "Thanks to W's reckless warmongering and insane tax cuts for the rich, our national debt nearly doubled during his regime..."

"Thanks to"? There is no way to blame the tax cuts for the deficit. It was a great talking point at the time of the debate but the numbers are in. It's a matter of record. Revenue was rolling in at record levels. The "insane tax cuts for the rich" worked to the benefit of all. It was spending and government growth that caused the deficits to grow. How can you seriously refute that? That's my dispute. The fact that the deficit grew is not evidence that the tax cuts were insane. If you want to criticize Bush's spending and big government I'm with you. So are most conservatives. Hating the rich who you depend on so much while asking for even more serves no purpose. It's a lie. You are being led to resent for political purposes.

The other reason you blame the deficit on is "reckless warmongering". Please. No accounting of history can make that laughable claim. I understand being a pacifist, cool but "reckless warmongering"? Wars aren't cheap, no one disputes that but national security holds priority over pork. During the Bush years we had both. The deficit was shrinking every year from 2003 until 2007 when Dems took over, then it exploded. Why we went to war, whether we should have gone to war, was the cost worth it, was it avoidable, are we safer are all valid subjects. Why does everyone seem to forget we had that debate a long time ago? Most everyone agreed then.

Growing government and big spending coupled with an anemic economy that is not producing revenue because of constricting taxes and regulations are the causes for the trouble we're in now. The mere threat of this future is strangling the job market. Write it down. One doesn't need to be (I'm not) an economist to know that when times are hard you earn more and spend less to fix it. You are advocating more government, more spending, more regulation, more taxes and more misery.

Honest Debate said...

And another thing. You're right about having to humble up to China. Don't you remember Hillary going over there begging China to loan us more? Hasn't the administration been doing back flips to assure them our fundamentals are strong? Did China openly question our debt during the Bush years? Did SNL do a skit?

This is Obama's mess.

oatz said...

Bridle care to see Andrew Cuomo brag about forcing Banks with the Community Reinvestment Act(CRA) in his own words?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lr1M1T2Y314

Or better yet see Democrats attack the Inspector general who dared bring into question Franklin Raines( Obama Chief Financial Advisor) who took $63 million in "performance" bonuses in 9 years as head of Fannie Mae "becuse he ran it so well".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs&feature=PlayList&p=D69D0878312FC08D&index=0&playnext=1

32 seconds of search on Youtube and Bridle's facts are HISTORY!

Sarkazein said...

The current crop of Democrats are truly Marxist thugs.
If you don't agree with their radicalism then you are a racist according to Sen Sheldon Whitehouse. They pass major legislation in the dark of night and bribe members our money.

" Senator Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) today took shots at those who are not supporting the health care legislation. During a floor speech, he excoriated Senate GOP members for up holding the pending health care bill and accused their supporters of being birthers and fanatics in right-wing militia and Aryan support groups. He started off by citing an editorial from the Manchester Journal Inquirer, which used insults like "lunatic fringe."

Sarkazein said...

Thenator Theldon Whitehouth

Sarkazein said...

This video of Sheldon, shows him complaining about the discourse, then calling his dissenters Nazi racists. It is exactly as HD writes, how they accuse others of exactly what they are doing except theirs is many times worse.

bridle said...

HD - No sane administration cuts taxes during wartime. Those lying criminals sent our kids to war on the cheap (hillbilly armored vehicles - remember?) so they could pay their contractor buddies thousands of dollars a day with no oversight or accounting. If you need me to supply citations for all the corruption, I will but surely you can remember that far back.
As for the rationale for going to war in Iraq? No, most everyone did not agree. The media was complicit with the administration but even so reports did get out about the massive demonstrations against that war, all over the world.
It made no difference. The juggernaut was on the move.

bridle said...

Sark - I wish I had choice now. My medical decisions are made for me by the so-called nonprofit insurance company provided through my employer. Even with this "insurance" I will be ruined if I have a medical emergency.
My choice consists of stay healthy (I do everything possible to ensure that) or go broke, or die.

bridle said...

"This is Obama's mess."

HD - Are you saying that the country was fine before Obama took office?

bridle said...

Sark - I am fiscal conservative because I don't believe that money spent on bombs, death, war, corruption are good investments. I believe that money spent on a solid health care system that maximizes preventive care is a sound investment that will save money in the long run.
Our current system is clearly wasteful and inefficient by any measure. Do you need citations?

oatz said...

So Bridle speaking of corruption the Senators from Louisiana and Nebraska sold their votes for a mere $300 million and a lifetime medicare expense coverage for the State of Nebraska (say $2 Trillion). Fair?, That each state gets a "unfair" exemption from their fair share of the Health Care bill for a yea vote.

Hillbilly jeeps? In the eight years before Iraq which brilliant President saw the future of IED's and prepared the supply chain before hand?

And BTW I seem to recall at least 14 different speeches given by Candidate Obama promising no closed door policy debates.."I would put everyone around a big table.Put it all on CSPAN, no backroom dealing" anyone care to name when that Happened?

guy faulkes said...

Bridle, how long do you think your entitlement programs are going to be able to last without a strong national defense to keep the government going? If people like you had had their way, we would now either be speaking German or Japanese.

In order to be fiscal(ly) conservative, you have to oppose big government pork barrel spending and entitlement programs. I believe the term that better fits you is socialist.

No the country was not in good shape under the big government progressive Bush, but it was much better off than it is under Obama.

Honest Debate said...

"No sane administration cuts taxes during wartime." -Bridle

IT WORKED!!! MORE REVENUE!!!

What, are you now saying it was the "administration" that was not "sane" for implementing a policy that generated more revenue?

No sane administration would raise taxes during a recession. No sane administration would quaduple the deficit during a recession. It's not working. LESS REVENUE!!! RECORD LOWS!!! FEWER RISK TAKERS=FEWER JOBS!!!

There is no hope for change.

Sarkazein said...

Between the health-care bill and cap and trade, we are in the midst of a socialist/Marxist take-over, and doing nothing about it.

bridle said...

HD - More revenue, but not enough to cover the debt. Remember the debt doubled under Bush. Remember this recession and housing bubble happened during Bush's watch. It was well underway before the election.

And increasing the deficit did avert a great depression. Don't you remember when Richard Burr was hiding all his cash under the mattress?
Yes the deficit sucks. Yes I hate us being in debt. But it beats more job losses and another depression. And if the Democrats are in power long enough to get us out of these wars, we will again produce a budget surplus.

Honest Debate said...

That's all I'm saying Bridle. Tax cuts for the rich bring in more revenue which is necessary to pay for spending. It's not an insane policy.

Reader said...

When one looks at the pork from both parties, it's astounding to read, "Remember the debt doubled under Bush. Remember this recession and housing bubble happened during Bush's watch."

I call BS. Bridle, you really need to go look at all the earmarks added to these bills from 95 until 09. Democrats have not just watched this crap happen. They own "a lot" of this debt. Facts are not hidden any longer.

bridle said...

Reader, you are right. Both parties are complicit in this mess. It is because of the flawed system whereby so much money is needed to even begin to run for office. I think we really need campaign finance reform. If politicians depend on contributions to get elected, they will naturally push pork to repay those whom they owe.
HD - I disagree that the tax cuts were responsible for the revenue increase. The early 2000's were a time of exploding technological advances that made businesses so much more profitable. The internet opened up so many more markets and allowed so much more efficiency that productivity increases. The tax cuts were an extraneous factor.

guy faulkes said...

Ray Stevens had a song that featured Bridle called Everything is Beautiful. It had a verse "There is none so blind as he who will not see" Mathew Henry first used the phrase 250 years ago when talking about a songwriter named Asaph. Asaph was lamenting on the Israelites acting like Bridle. The closest thing I can find to this in the Bible is Matthew 13:13 , Jeremiah 5:21 , and Isaiah 6:9-10. Of course, none of these will effect Bridle, because I believe he/she has said he/her is an atheist.

In any case, people like Bridle have been a problem for a long time.

guy faulkes said...

It appears Obama's appeasement tactics do not work. The rest of the world thinks he is a joke.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9CNTBTG3&show_article=1

Honest Debate said...

"The early 2000's were a time of exploding technological advances that made businesses so much more profitable." -Bridle

So now you're in favor of businesses profiting? Gee wiz you're hard to keep up with. Guy's right.

Business prospers when taxes are decreased. The revenue also increased with Reagan's tax cuts and Kennedy's tax cuts. It's what happens, economics 101.

The idea is more taxpayers paying less taxes. You want fewer taxpayers paying more taxes. It's a much weaker mathematical equation. The left also considers a tax cut to be an expense which turns logic on it's head.

bridle said...

HD - It's great when business are profitable. It's not great when they grow to be vast corporations that act as monopolies and have so much power they control the legislative process.
I remember the Reagan tax cuts. My spouse and I had a small business which had benefited from tax breaks in the previous code. Under Reagan's tax "reform" we lost our tax breaks and had to pay taxes on the paltry 5,000 $ we made that year. We folded the business and let our workers go. Unemployment was higher than it is now. The deficit more than tripled under Reagan.
Under Reagan the rich got richer and the poor got screwed.

bridle said...

"It appears Obama's appeasement tactics do not work. The rest of the world thinks he is a joke."
According to this article it is Castro who doesn't like Obama.
I would have guessed you would approve of that.
What would you be saying about Obama if Castro were singing his praises?

Honest Debate said...

Bridle,

"The deficit more than tripled under Reagan." I don't know what else I can say. Tax cuts don't cause deficits. Reagan's tax cut brought in more revenue. Spending (on frivolous things like defeating communism) causes deficits. Statements like "...the rich got richer and the poor got screwed" are meaningless regarding your vilified tax cuts. You falsely imply the poor got screwed because the rich got richer. Not so. You imply the poor didn't get richer too. Not so.

All I'm trying do do is get you to quit hating the rich and blaming them for your position in life. The rich are not hurting you. Hate the spending instead, it makes more sense.

guy faulkes said...

Bridle, you missed the point. (Big surprise) I could care less what Cubans think of Obama or anything else, but it does prove no one takes him seriously. He is a joke to every country in the world.

North Korea is a good example. They laugh as Obama shouts "Stop or I'll shout Stop!"

Reagan turned around the Carter mess, both economically and in foreign policy. I know it. You know it. Everyone else knows it. The proof is indisputable. You are are just acting like you fell in an Egyptian river, You know, in the Nile.

Bridle, are you really POV with a proofreader?

Reader said...

I've never in my life....I'm just shaking my head at Bridle's comments.

bridle said...

Ah yes, Reagan foreign policy. It included selling illegal weapons to our enemies, making secret deals with them in order to stage a photo op of hostages debarking from the plane one day after Reagan's inauguration. Also using the money to illegally fund a war to overthrow a democratically elected government. Let's see, he supported some dictator in Iraq in a war against the Iranians, and even supplied chemicals and weapons which were used against civilians. And didn't he bankrupt the Russians by supporting the insurgents called "Taliban" in some war the Russians were fighting? In fact under Reagan the US sold stinger anti-aircraft missiles that are being used against American soldiers today.
Not a great record it seems to me.

Honest Debate said...

Bridle,

Now you want to debate Reagan? He's not President, neither is Bush. Obama is king when it comes to debt. It's just plain stupid to complain about deficits and give Obama a pass. If you don't like deficits then it's intellectually dishonest to say you approve of Obama's policies. The "Bush made me do it" argument is ridiculously moronic and makes no sense on any level.

Sarkazein said...

Bridle's urban legend lie-"deals with them in order to stage a photo op of hostages debarking from the plane one day after Reagan's inauguration."

I for one am thankful for all Reagan did including covert operations, secret war against Communism in our hemisphere and elsewhere, and his covert operations against Iran by way of Iraq.
Now there has to be more covert operations against Iran including and not limited to crippling Hamas and Hezbola and all involved in the recent attacks on Americans in this Iraq liberation. I for one would like to see a kidnapping of Ahmadinijad, with a televised water-boarding of him, followed by a reality show of him at GITMO.
The more covert operations the better. Thank you RR for your heroic efforts against evil in the never ending battle against evil.
Except for Obama's firing missiles into the sovereign country of Pakistan and killing it's citizens, Obama has some catching up to do.

Honest Debate said...

Thud! Reality check.

Thanks Sark.

Sarkazein said...

Bridle- You could at least get your lie right, the hostages were released on the same day as the inauguration, not a day later, if my memory serves. There was a split screen coverage during the inauguration.
That would have been pretty poor planning on RR's part if it had been a day later... you can't even give credit where credit is due in your bogus lies.

Sarkazein said...

Is Obama a PLANT ?

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bridle said...

Sark - The rule of law means nothing to you? You are OK with government having license to kidnap, torture,and kill with no consequences?

Sarkazein said...

Bridle- Yes, except for you bogus torture insertion.

Sarkazein said...

Bridle- Soon, the rule of law will be YOU GO TO JAIL if you do not have health insurance.
I see insurance company stocks are up...Thanks Pain Obama.

bridle said...

Sark "I for one would like to see a kidnapping of Ahmadinijad, with a televised water-boarding of him,"
You are OK with the government making decisions about kidnap, torture, executions, in secret, with no trials, no oversight and no consequences.
But you don't think government can operate a health care clinic efficiently.
Boy do we have different ideas about what governments are for.
I hope I never live in your world.

guy faulkes said...

Bridle, there is not much danger that you will rejoin the world of reality anytime soon, especially concerning matters of national security. It is going to take you personally suffering great loses caused by your liberal ideas in order for this to happen. I am hopeful that we we will be able to overcome these policies so that you can safely remain in your world of delusion as to what constitutes capture of an enemy versus kidnapping and effective interrogation versus torture.

Sarkazein said...

Bridle- Again, yes, without your insertion of torture, and now no government oversight. You may be hinting to yourself that the only way to defeat a conservative, is you make up the comment or part of the comment, then answer it.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

"Bridle, there is not much danger that you will rejoin the world of reality anytime soon, especially concerning matters of national security."

The fear evangelist has you in their cult. Your brain washed with fear, find some courage, common sense and reasoning ability.

You and others here are ready to give the government the power to pick and choose who to kill, torture, and imprison? The Nazis did the same.


Bridie, Thanks for all of you well though out responses. Please keep it up.

Sarkazein said...

"The fear evangelist has you in their cult. Your brain washed with fear, find some courage, common sense and reasoning ability."POV

Jet lag from his trip to Copenhagen.

oatz said...

And yet Liberal POV wants to give the Government the power to fine and imprison Americans who do not buy HealthCare? Funny thing is the Bill which was voted on at 1:00 am (Closed door dead of night backroom wheeling and dealing not on cspan as Obama PROMISED)exempts religious and poor people from prosecution for not buying HealthCare, HUH? I thought this bill was supposed to get everyone HealthCare. Why would anyone get an exemption? Maybe this bill is not about HealthCare after all.

Honest Debate said...

"Bridie, Thanks for all of you well though out responses. Please keep it up." -LiberalPOV

What the hell are you reading?

guy faulkes said...

POV, where have you been? The conversations have been less fun without you to "kick around" as Nixon put it.

You really need to get some new talking points. The old ones have been debunked so many times it is not even funny any more.

Let's address your ramblings from a new direction. We will briefy act as if they menat something.

"The fear evangelist has you in their cult. Your brain washed with fear, find some courage, common sense and reasoning ability." Fear is an survival response tool that enables one to protect himself, as does anger. We have had the courage to face the terrorists that have harmed us by using courage, common sense, and reasoning ability. Your problem appears to be mainly reasoning ability. You cannot recognize what has to be done, unless you are really on the side of the terrorists.

"You and others here are ready to give the government the power to pick and choose who to kill, torture, and imprison? The Nazis did the same." In a war, especially a war on terrorists, one has to kill his enemies. What you call torture is only interrogation. It is only torture in your mind. The imprisonment is an interesting concept. Logically, if we do not imprison these terrorists, then the only other alternative is to kill them as there is no other way to keep them from committing other terrorist acts. I thought you were against killing them. If you want to do neither of these things, then you are once again supporting terrorism.

I have trouble remembering that you really do this. I have difficulty in believing a citizen of this country that can enjoy its benefits (until Obama destroys them all) would turn traitor.

Sarkazein said...

Oatz wrote- "Obama PROMISED)exempts religious and poor people from prosecution for not buying HealthCare, HUH? I thought this bill was supposed to get everyone HealthCare."


That in itself is Un-Constitutional.

Sarkazein said...

Guy Faulkes- Well said, and all true!

(your 12/23 9:15A comment)

Sarkazein said...

H.D-

I'll have to partially agree with POV on the "...well thought out..." thing to Bridle.
They are well thought out--- misconceptions. So POV and I are just one word away from agreeing.

Johnny Rico said...

Unbridled Idiot said:

"Our President is once again in the position of trying to clean up behind the Republican administration".

UI,

I thought we ran you off this site with logical assessments and plausable theory? Guess a liberal is too thick headed and elitest to know any better.

So you are saying Hussein Obama is cleaning up after Bush. When are you going to quit using Bush as the fall guy? Wasn't Bush cleaning up after that draft dodging, dope smoking, dull eyed slug of a womanizing President called Billy Clinton? Had Clinton not ran from every terrorist attack he was confronted with (USS Cole, Somalia, Bosnia, Bin Laden, etc..) then we wouldn't be in the mess we are in. Instead of confronting the issues, Hussein Obama is doing exactly what Clinton did to weaken America and invite terrorists to attack. Amazing.

What is more important in all of this is the Anti American sentiment that liberal socialist sheep such as yourself use to tear our country apart. You blame Bush, yet believe the words of an inexperienced junior Senator from Illinois who was a "community organizer"? How does it feel to be a traitor?

This ought to be interesting

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

PS I won

Johnny Rico said...

Unbridled Idiot said:

"Sark, If you have no money for food, you either go into debt or die."

Spoken by a true liberal who looks for others to get him/her out of a situation he/she should never have been in in the first place. Perhaps get a job. Oh wait, that's right, the jobs are being taken by illegal aliens who the liberals say are doing work that Americans don't want to do. Really? Ask the out of work stone masons, carpenters, dry wallers, house painters and young boys wanting to mow lawns for money during the summer if they would like to work. Perhaps you should ask Lentz Construction in Blowing Rock if area stone masons would like to work in light of the fact the new Blowing Rock Fire Substation on US 221 was built using illegal aliens. Wonder what they would tell you. I know, I know, as a liberal you would tell them to use a credit card, go into debt, and then expect other hard working conservatives to bail them out. LOL!!!

Your ole pal
Johnny Rico

Professor Johnny Rico said...

Unbridled Idiot said:

"Vast accumulations of wealth in a few hands represent a terrible danger to our society."

Do you have a citation to support your flawed view?

LOL!!!

Johnny Rico

PS Just keeping it real

Professor Johnny Rico said...

Unbridled Idiot said:

"did get out about the massive demonstrations against that war, all over the world."

Gosh, that's funny, I was abroad in the Middle East and Africa after 9/11, and prior to the police action we are engaged in, and I never saw one protest. Mmmmm, do you have a citation for you information? LOL!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Bill

PSS Not hard to make a liberal socialist look bad. Almost too easy.

Professor Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socailist Sheep POV!!!!!

Your back!! After I ran you and the Cheerleader (Tricycle Lard) off this site (like I did to you on Watauga Watch), I figured you would be too embarassed to show you face around here again. Well, let's get to it and make you feel uncomfortable once again:

1. What would you say to all the out of work stone masons, carpenters, dry wallers, house painters, young boys wanting to make a buck in the summer mowing laws and many others who are unable to find work due to the influx of illegal aliens into Watauga County?

2. In the excellant You Tube video entitled "No Guns For Negros", do you agree with the premise of the film classic in that most gun laws are racist to negros? If not, why?

3. Did you enjoy the liberal propaganda film "Avatar"? Did you find it Anti-American, anti-military, racist (white man leading the stupid natives), anti-war, pro global warming, and pretty much a baseless foray into the flawed logic of liberal socialist sheep such as yourself?

LOL

You have a lot to answer to, but I doubt you will do more than give an emotional laced quip designed to dodge the crux of the issue.

Merry Christmas. Yes I said it. Merry Christmas. Let me say it again to you; Merry CHRIST MAS. I love this holiday in which we are able to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ our saviour. Merry Christmas. Merry Christmas Liberal Socialist Sheep POV.

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Grayson

PS Got a bug problem?

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Liberal POV said...

Rico

"What would you say to all the out of work stone masons, carpenters, dry wallers, house painters, young boys wanting to make a buck in the summer mowing laws and many others who are unable to find work due to the influx of illegal aliens into Watauga County?"

Workers from south of the Border are not your enemy.
I would say support unions and a living wage for all.

The undocumented workers don't work cheaper but work extremely hard and few take smoke breaks and don't mind working a longer day.

To many American working poor have voted on Heritage Foundation invented emotional issues like
Merry Christmas not Happy Holidays, Liberals are anti Christian, Gays and Gay Marriage, Guns anything to piss you off and get you to vote against your families economic interest.

We do need reasonable immigration reform, those that play the hate card don't want reform that would stop cheap labor and reduced benefits and give rights to these worker that have been here for 5 to 20 years. Some undocumented workers have been here most of their lives. I know they have been coming sense the 70s.

The Republicans Party has always been against worker's rights, better wages, better benefits, unions, consumer rights, environmental protection and worker safety.

If the Republican party had its way we would still have children working in cotton mills or coal mines.

I save you some time corporate America also owns many Democrats.

Obama I think does understand the problems of working People,

LiberalGreggPOV said...

"If the Republican party had its way we would still have children working in cotton mills or coal mines." -LiberalPOV

Those dastardly Republicans are hideous!

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"I would say support unions and a living wage for all.

The undocumented workers don't work cheaper but work extremely hard and few take smoke breaks and don't mind working a longer day."

This is exactly why you are a liberal socialist sheep. You talk out both sides of your mouth here POV. On one hand you are saying the out of work stone masons, carpenters, house painters, drywallers, and young boys wanting to mow lawns in the summer are lazy. Wow, so this is what you would tell these folks - they are lazy? That all they want to do is take smoke breaks. That they don't work long enough for you? Then, and this is so good everyone!, you advocate for unions!!! And what do unions stand for you idiot? Yes, worker's rights including a shorter work day, mandatory breaks (people smoke during these), and other collective bargaining agreements!!!!! You don't know your arse from a hole in the ground. This is exactly why it is so easy to give you liberal socialists a pounding!!!!!!!

Then you try to say illegal aliens are not our enemy. Well, rocket scientist, I would love to hear your smug, elitest arse say that to the family members of the folks killed on 105 last year by a drunk illegal alien. Or the thousands who lost homes in CA due to illegal alien pot growers starting a forest fire. Or to sportsmen who witness illegal aliens harvesting threatened and endangered species in Watauga County (Ginseng, galax, goldenseal, bloodroot, mayapple, poplar bark, etc..) while never buying a hunting or fishing license to do so (like you and I are required to). You will tell out of work Watauga County residents that illegal aliens are not the enemy? You will tell those who pay for health care while illegal aliens get free health care that illegal aliens aren't the enemy?

I have a sneaking suspicion that you will say these things hiding behind your liberal cloak of stupidity, but you would never say that to someone's face!! LOL! The truth hurts doesn't it!!!!!!

LOL!!!! This is exactly why I got kicked off Watauga Watch - they couldn't handle the truth!!!!! LOL!!!!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Ed

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"To many American working poor have voted on Heritage Foundation invented emotional issues like
Merry Christmas not Happy Holidays, Liberals are anti Christian, Gays and Gay Marriage, Guns anything to piss you off and get you to vote against your families economic interest."

Who are you to say how someone should vote? Are you an all knowing, all seeing God of voting law? It is there vote isn't it? You liberals really amaze me with your self-rightous drivel. You actually think someone is fundamentally wrong because they do not agree with your warped point of view? Sounds like something right out of Nazi Germany circa 1939!!!!! You are seriously wacked in the head!!!!

Your ole pal
Johnny Rico

PS Thanks for not totally quiting this site while faced with impending oblivion - I need an easy whipping person such as yourself.

LOL!!!

Don

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"The Republicans Party has always been against worker's rights, better wages, better benefits, unions, consumer rights, environmental protection and worker safety"

I am a conservative and vote conservative. What has this to do with the Republican Party? As a conservative, I understand that unions (and the liberals) are the reason we have no major manufacturing left here in the US. Bargaining for unsustainalbe raises and rights (smoke breaks, shorter working days) makes it impossible for companies to compete and exist so what do they do? Exactly, they move to other countries which do not have environmental laws or unions!!!!!! And you say the Republican Party is the problem? YOU and YOUR KIND are the problem!!! Tell me o great rocket scientist, how do green jobs stay in the US and not become outsourced to another country? You are telling me we are going to manufacture solar panels here in the US for a "living wage" as you erronously call it, and not ship the jobs overseas. How exactly is that going to be done? If Red China can make solar panels for 1/10 the price that we can, then my bet is that we will lose yet another opportunity to the communists (who don't have unions).

How do you explain your pathetic way out of this one? LOL!!! This ought to be interesting.

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Samantha

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

High Speed rail, massive light rail all over the country neither can be done in China when built we can cut fuel use in half or more, reduce the number a family must own. New smaller shopping areas closer to where we live owned by local shop keepers. More bike trails that will need stone masons to build bridges and pathways.

Sarkazein said...

"High Speed rail, massive light rail all over the country neither can be done in China when built we can cut fuel use in half or more, reduce the number a family must own. New smaller shopping areas closer to where we live owned by local shop keepers. More bike trails that will need stone masons to build bridges and pathways."-POV

No matter who doesn't want it.

Sarkazein said...

POV, this is a list of your great artisan VISITORS.

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

"Then you try to say illegal aliens are not our enemy. Well, rocket scientist, I would love to hear your smug, elitest arse say that to the family members of the folks killed on 105 last year by a drunk illegal alien. Or the thousands who lost homes in CA due to illegal alien pot growers starting a forest fire. Or to sportsmen who witness illegal aliens harvesting threatened and endangered species in Watauga County (Ginseng, galax, goldenseal, bloodroot, mayapple, poplar bark, etc..) while never buying a hunting or fishing license to do so (like you and I are required to). You will tell out of work Watauga County residents that illegal aliens are not the enemy? You will tell those who pay for health care while illegal aliens get free health care that illegal aliens aren't the enemy?"

Did we not have American drunk drivers before undocumented workers arrived? Game and Ginseng poaching by locals? With 12 million we are going to have some criminals as with 12 million American born.

Watch the movie " Grapes of Wrath " the story of the Okies could be the same as the brown workers from Mexico. You will find your character in that movie using almost the same words as you use here.

What do you believe about justice?
Where does justice fix into your world? Suppose you get to return in another life as a poor person from South of the border trying to make a better life for your children?
Could you walk in their shoes for a little while and still be as hostile as today?

Sarkazein said...

POV-
I should've 'splained better, this is the TOP seven MOST WANTED.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

How does avoiding reasonable immagration reform fix that?

What is the Hispanic population in Harris County?

Sarkazein said...

)))))))POV(((((((( THE TOP SEVEN!!!!

Liberal POV said...

Sark

"No matter who doesn't want it."

You ever take the train? You can read, sleep, drink coffee or beer, eat, watch something besides the truck in front of you, talk or work.

Sarkazein said...

THE TOP SEVEN POV

Liberal POV said...

Sark

How does avoiding reasonable immagration reform fix that?

What is the Hispanic population in Harris County?

Sarkazein said...

POV- it's not 500%.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

Is it 50% or 70%?

Will avoiding reasonable immagration reform fix the problem?

Sarkazein said...

POV- It would be 90% of the "Most Wanted List". And I'll bet each one of them considers themselves a Maestro tile setter or concrete finisher after one day of working at the trade. I'll bet the totally untrained eye (yours) looks at their "work" and goes gaga over it. Finish work has degraded in this country, and manufacturing quality has degraded as most of it comes from our future third world brothers. All thanks to liberalism.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

Will avoiding reasonable immagration reform fix the problem?

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"You ever take the train? You can read, sleep, drink coffee or beer, eat, watch something besides the truck in front of you, talk or work"

Where you able to carry a pistol, legally on that train of yours?

LOL

Johnny Rico

PS You just don't learn when to quit do you?

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

"Where you able to carry a pistol, legally on that train of yours?"

No, Johnny nor on the plane.

Johnny, I've never found myself in satuation I needed a pistol. Do you have a story where you pistol save the day?

Professor Johnny Rico said...

Twice so far. The first was a thief, and the second was an enraged pit bull whose owner thougth it funny that his dog was ready to attack an innocent bystander. The pistol worked very well in both cases, believe me.

You see, some of us do not live in the liberal bubble that you do. With defensive firearm uses around 2.5 million a year, it is a good idea to take responsibility for your personal safety.

Because you have never needed a pistol is a reason to ban a God given, inalienable, Constitution Right for those who need and want one? Is that what you are getting at?

I wonder what the passengers on 9/11 would have said to you when told they didn't need a pistol on a plane. Care to venture a guess? LOL!!! As late as the early 60's, passengers could stow longarms as carry on luggage as long as they were encased (no lock needed). There were no problems then.

So, you have been proven wrong yet again (so often it is becoming tiring). What do you have to say about this? LOL!!

Your ole pal
Johnny Rico

Sammy

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"High Speed rail, massive light rail all over the country neither can be done in China when built we can cut fuel use in half or more"

And this pathetic answer is all you can say to all the out of work stone masons, carpenters, house painters, dry wallers, etc. whom you have called lazy?

A train in China is your answer? Are you really serious? You have answered none of the questions or even provided a hint of insight into three seperate posts that have filleted your flawed beliefs. Is this because you know you are wrong and are groping, or is it because you are too stupid to realize you are on the losing end of the game - every time? LOL.

Your ole pal
Johnny Rico


Katy
PS I won that one pretty easily

PSS This ought to be interesting.

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

Would you search the archives and find that post where I opposed a sane, non violent ( No criminal record or restraining orders) person's right to own a rifle, shotgun or hand gun?

Now I have made fun of those that feel insecure with their manhood and need a large weapon ( something other than shotgun, hunting rifle or normal hand gun) to feel secure as a man. These are the one that seem to have a gun fetish. The kind of person that is more interested in their guns than their children's future.

Johnny you could also be into illegal drugs or other jobs that make you a target few others in society face. I would not know your risk in that case.
I just know I have traveled the world without the need of a weapon.

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

"A train in China is your answer?"

???

Would you post where that came from?

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

" With defensive firearm uses around 2.5 million a year"

Would you post you source of this information?

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

Did you need to fire your gun at the thief? Did you capture the thief.

How about the dog did you have to kill it? If so you may have prevented it from attacking a child the next time.

Sarkazein said...

POV- JUSTICE and reality.
You have a stance on the subject of guns for self-defense, yet you don't have the facts.

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep said:

""A train in China is your answer?"

???

Would you post where that came from?"

Well you idiot of a liberal socialist, it came from your own post on this thread. And you are wanting me to quote you now? Too much pot smoked last night eh? Here are your own pathetic, nonsencical word (It is obvious from your speech patterns that you were 4 sheets to the wind when writing this):

"High Speed rail, massive light rail all over the country neither can be done in China when built we can cut fuel use in half or more, reduce the number a family must own"

So there, you said it. What in the hell does a train in China have to do with what you would say to out of work stone masons, carpenters, dry wallers, house painters, and young boys trying to make a buck by mowing lawns in the summer? LOL

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep said:

"" With defensive firearm uses around 2.5 million a year"

Would you post you source of this information?"

Are you too stupid to punch in 2.5 million defensive uses of firearms into a search engine of some type? If you don't believe me, then prove it wrong.

Try Dr. Gary Kleck at University of Florida for the most exhaustive study of gun ownership vs criminal statistics to date. He has also written a book entitled "More Guns, Less Crime" that liberal socialist sheep such as yourself absolutly hate because you cannot prove it wrong.

So now, what other excuses do you have for disarming America. Oh yes, now that I am pounding you into the usual pile of rubble, what do you have to say about recent FBI crime statistics that say murder in the US is at an all time low? Yes, and in the same year that the most guns ever were sold!! So Dr. Kleck is right I guess. Prove it wrong if you don't believe.

LOL!!!!!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

PS This ought to be interesting

david

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV:

You never answered my question about what you would say to the out of work stone masons, dry wallers, house painters, and young boys trying to make a buck mowing grass in the summer. Is your final answer what you said a few posts ago (you have probably already forgot) - that Americans are lazy. LOL!!!!

Is this what you would tell them?

Tough questions that just won't go away.

Your old pal

Johnny Rico

Professor Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"Now I have made fun of those that feel insecure with their manhood and need a large weapon ( something other than shotgun, hunting rifle or normal hand gun"

So juicy and ripe for shooting full of holes (pun intended).

First, I am a woman who does not need to feel secure in her manhood. This brings into question the stereotyping mantra so common with racist liberals such as yourself. You are once again stereotyping gun owners into that same class of persons whom you WANT to believe are white, male, southern, uneducated, redneck chauvanists. Why do liberals always do this? Is it because you are truly racist morons or is it simply that you are stupid, uneducated, white, male, liberal socialist sheep? LOL!!!!

Man, you are actually throwing me ammunition when I run low POV, you realize that. You really walked into that one. Thanks for making this fun and easy. I wish the worthless Craig Dudley, Nonymouse (Shylock) and the Cheerleader (Tricycle Lard) would join in to give you a hand so I could have even more fun. LOL!!!!!!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

PS This ought to be inteesting

PSS Please no one liner quips full of emotion or drug induced chatter. LOL!!!!!!

Libeal POV said...

Johnny

" You are once again stereotyping gun owners into that same class of persons whom you WANT to believe are white, male, southern, uneducated, redneck chauvanists. "

Would you post where you got this opinion?

Because you own a gun doesn't mean you have a gun fetish but when guns take on a religious fevor or give you a sexual stimulation of power does it become a fetish. When guns are the most valued thing in your life, more so than your own children's future if you have children does it become a gun fetish. This is not restricted to uneducated often the opposite is true.

guy faulkes said...

POV, guns are not the issue except that you try to substitute the means for the end. You use guns as a symbol to express your hatred for the individual having the power to protect himself, practice individual responsibility, and refuse to be a subject, surf, or slave to the government.

The sexual idiocy that your side charges is the "macho" cop out. Whenever an individual enjoys or becomes proficient at a physically demanding activity, the the hue and cry from the everyone is equal regardless of effort, lazy ass crowd is "That is just macho bulls***!" You people cannot stand it when people achieve success in anything, be it financial success, proficiency in sports, political responsibility, or the ability to protect one's self.

You cannot deny that gun laws are historically racist, elitist, or sexist. You did not want blacks to be able to defend themselves. You do not want the poor or what you stereotype as rednecks and white trash to be able to defend themselves. If a woman chooses to train herself in self defense, you attack her femininity.

You have once again succeeded in proving you are a lazy, egotistical, pathetic looser that fears not only everyone else, but himself. Fortunately, those such as you are loosing popularity after a brief surge caused by your fear mongering.

Sarkazein said...

"... fetish but when guns take on a religious fevor or give you a sexual stimulation of power does it become a fetish."_POV

This has to be something in your character that you feel. You must personally experience this sensation when you are around guns. You are a person that should not be around guns because of your perversion. I don't know anyone else that experiences your reaction to guns. Choose not to carry....please.

Libeal POV said...

Sark and Guy

I have no problem with and think hunting is a wonderful activity to enjoy the outdoors and understand the habits of the natural world. Having a favorite hunting rifle or shotgun is fine and normal.
This is a sport both men and women can enjoy. I was hunting with my dad before the age of 10.

I think owning a weapon ( Shotgun or pistol ) to keep in your home if you don't have a history of violence or mental disorders is also reasonable and maybe a deterrent to crime. That wepon should be secure from children playing with it.

The gun fetish folks go well beyond this. With huge collections of military type weapons designed to kill people and fearful of ever being in public without said weapon even though occupation is just an average job in construction or something similar. (Not Officer of the Court, Bail bondsman or drug dealer.)

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"I have no problem with and think hunting is a wonderful activity to enjoy the outdoors and understand the habits of the natural world. Having a favorite hunting rifle or shotgun is fine and normal."

Your idiotic statements are exactly why we have a Constitution and a 2nd Amendment to that Constitution. You see, it doesn't matter what you think as the right to keep and bear arms is protected against narrow minded socialists such as yourself. The Constitution is a framework AGAINST CHANGE which prevents the change away from base values that make the nation what it is.

As far as "fine and normal" who are you to tell me or anyone else what is fine and normal? Are you the all knowing God of what is ok for others to do or not to do? Oh yeah, I forgot, you are a socialist who thinks he/she should dictate what others should think and do (while not doing those same things yourself - see Rosie O Donnel or NC Senator HD Soles). LOL!!!!!!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Billy

PS How come you have not answered to my last post? You know, the post where I exposed you for being a racist.

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"I think owning a weapon ( Shotgun or pistol ) to keep in your home if you don't have a history of violence or mental disorders is also reasonable and maybe a deterrent to crime. That wepon should be secure from children playing with it."

Again, this is why we have a Constitution to prevent socialist/communists such as yourself from abridging the rights that most of us hold dear. If you don't want to own a weapon, then don't. Just don't be a do gooder and tell others how, when, and why they should own weapons. LOL!!

Also, you say nothing about keeping weapons against a tyranical government. This is the MAIN REASON we have a 2nd Amendment, not crime (unless you consider a tyranical government a crime). Society must be armed as well as the government so as to prevent oppression. You forget this lesson so easily LSS POV. The hard lessons that many generations have learned in blood are lost on the liberal idiots such as yourself.


LOL!!

Your ole pal again

Johnny Rico

PS This is sooooo easy. I pound you with each and every post, and you can do nothing but talk of railways in China and call American workers lazy!!!!!

Betsy

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"even though occupation is just an average job in construction or something similar. (Not Officer of the Court, Bail bondsman or drug dealer.)"

Can someone say ELITEST?!! An "average job". Who are you to say what is average and not average? Why would construction be an "average" job? The pyramids were built by construction workers, and they are not average. Why does what one's job is dictate what rights they carry? This makes NO sense at all, and is one of the more STUPID posts you have written (and you have written many, believe me). When you say "average jobs", are you talking about the American workers whom you call lazy? The out of work stone masons, carpenters, dry wallers, house painters, and boys trying to make a buck mowing lawns in the summertime?

As for officers and bail bondsman owning military style weapons, see my last post. These should be the last people allowed access to state of the art weaponry. The people of this country should be armed with military grade weapons, with officers and bondsmen armed with a class of weapons below that. This prevents oppression. So you think the Washinton DC Metro Police officer that drew his weapons on kids throwing snowballs a couple of weeks ago is better able to assume the responsibility of military grade weapons over the common citizenry who almost NEVER have these types of problems.

Hard questions, hard questions......


LOL!!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

PS I have you 10 posts to 1, and I answer every one of your silly questions. You answer none of mine. This means, I WON!!!!

skyla

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

Slow down I said nothing about the type weapons (Officer of the Court, Bail bondsman or drug dealer" ) had a right to carry my point these are people that are more likely to face a need for a weapon.

You as a stone mason ( average American citizen )should face little danger of being robbed at your job site, face gang warfare or drug deal gone bad.
You need for a weapon shoud be less than (Officer of the Court, Bail bondsman or drug dealer ).

You get excited when it comes to guns.
Can you legally buy a weapon with a background check? Can you pass a background check?
Are legally sane?

Do you have a restraining order against you?

guy faulkes said...

POV, you are indedd an idiot. A gun is an insurance policy. If you need it, you need it badly. However, you do not believe in providing insurance for yourself. You want the government to provide it for you. The government cannot do this efficiently. The proof of this is that cops do not stop crime as it happens. They try to capture the criminals after the fact. The courts are supposed to punish these criminals severely enough that others will not commit these same acts. Nothing in the current system protects you from crime as it happens except you.

Once again you have proven you are intellectually and emotionally so immature you cannot provide for yourself. I have to wonder if you have any insurance policies that you are not forced to carry. I bet you auto policy is because of the legal requirement, your home owners policy is required by your lender, and your health insurance is provided by your employer. As a gimme, gimme, entitlement loving terrorist supporter, this is logical for you.

The point about a tyrannical government is also Telling. This is something you hate. You want such a government as you have never grown up. You had rather be a slave than live up to your responsibility as a free citizen.

Rico is correct. Your arrogance in telling people what they need in order to provide for themselves is obscene. I am sorry that being an adult is to macho for you.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Your misconceptions here are like those in all of your post out of touch with reality.

I have worked and supported my self and my family sense the age of 14.
I was never without a full time job, insurance or compassion for others. I Did six years of military service during the Vietnam War. No, I didn't get spit on and knew no one that did. I did see protest when in uniform but was not harassed.
I'm on social security now and I like it. My mother worked for over twenty-five years in a shoe factory to have here retirement stolen during the junk bond Reagan era.
I notice on WW you argue against sex education in public school, against a woman's right to choose, against a social safety net for unwed mothers, and complain when these mother's aren't model mothers. I'm sure you consider yourself a Fine Christian Man. That would go along with all of your other misconceptions.
Do you believe by becoming ruder your arguments have greater truth or that you're shown to be an asshole?

guy faulkes said...

POV, once again you misrepresent teh truth. On Watauga Watch I said that abstinence should be tauhgt as the only 100% certain method of avoiding pregnancy. I also indicated if you are a parent you have the responsibility to insure your children are educated. As even Shyster admitted, I did no say one should not expose young people to other methods along with the fact they do not always work.

Your comments on mothers are ridiculous. Murdering your own unborn child is not a safety net. However, those mothers that do kill their young are certainly not model mothers.

Your safety net comment proves I was right on the money. You do not believe in personal responsibility as you have indicated with statements concerning self defense, health care, education, the free market, abortion, energy production, .... Any personal efforts made by you were probably forced upon you.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Please explain the options for a pregnant 16 year old without a social safety net?

guy faulkes said...

Work, help from family, help from churches, help from other charitable organizations. None of these require the use of monies stolen by taxation. Putting the baby up for adoption instead of murdering it.

If she had been taught abstinence, she would not be pregnant. Why do you support programs that encourages her to take a chance on pregnancy?

What is your point in changing the subject of the discussion other than you are not doing very well in the debate? Do you not think you could come up with a new tactic?

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said"

"You as a stone mason ( average American citizen )should face little danger of being robbed at your job site, face gang warfare or drug deal gone bad."

So the only people who are robbed, face gang warfare or drug deals gone bad are cops? What? So no one else in the United States gets robbed? Your statements just keep getting more insane each post. You failed to answer the question (one of many) on the need for society to be as well armed as the government. Don't want to touch that one either eh? Good thing, because I was hoping to bait you into another hopeless trap from which you can not extract yourself!!!!! I have used a gun to thwart a dog attack as well as an attempted robbery so that pretty much devalues your value-less statements doesn't it? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

You also failed to answer what you would tell all the out of work stone masons, dry wallers, house painters, and boys wanting to make a buck mowing lawns in the summer. Aside from telling them they are lazy and then doing a 180 degree turn and supporting unions who support lazy workers, you are a close minded coward who probably spit on soldiers returning home after the police action in Vietnam, right? LOL!!!!

Oh wait, this just keeps getting better. Did you research Dr. Gary Kleck and his study on defensive uses of guns (2.5 million times per year)? LOL!! You wanted to forget about that one didn't you?

When you get done clawing your way out of the pile of rubble that I heaped on you, try and come back with at least something. Idiot.

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Edward Picolo

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"Can you legally buy a weapon with a background check? Can you pass a background check?
Are legally sane?"

I don't have to have a background check to buy a weapon. The Constitution forbids it, and unless you live in New York City, New Jersey, Mass., or Chicago, you don't need a background check to buy a weapon. Funny how those places that do place restrictions on purchasing and possessing weapons invariably have the highest crime rates. What is also funny is that most of those places have high concentrations of Negros.

So what am I getting at? Oh yes, you guessed it, most gun laws are racist (Sullivan Act in New York City is a prime example)in background and origin. Watch the excellant video entitled "No Guns For Negros" on YouTube and see what you think. Of course if you are Shylock over on Watauga Watch, you will claim it is a "slick piece of propaganda" without ever telling HOW it is a slick piece of propaganda.

Then again you appear so stupid POV, that all you will say is something about a high altitude train line across China as the answer. LOL!!!! HA HA HA!!!!!

As for me being sane or not, that is none of your, or anyone else's business. Your definition of sane means the same to me as how you feel everyone else should live their lives - NOTHING!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

PS Show me one gun law that has reduced crime.

PSS This ought to be interesting.

Ray Hemet

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

My question was do the courts consider you sane?
Do you have a restraining order out against you or have you ever had a restraining order out against you?

Do you have a criminal record?

Do you have a history of violent behavior?

http://www.jus.state.nc.us/NCJA/ncfirearmslaws.pdf

guy faulkes said...

Rico certainly appears more sane than POV. I also have to wonder what the point to his questions is, other than a personal attack on Rico and an attempt to once again change the subject when losing a debate.

As POV brought up his work history and his myriad personal achievements, I wonder if he would answer the question of whether he worked in the private sector or if he was a public drone? I suspect I know the answer. I do not see how an entitlement lover such as POV could ever work in the private sector.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Private sector and business owner.

Johnny Rico - the Master said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep Said:

"My question was do the courts consider you sane?"

This coming from the greatest non-answerer of questions this site has ever known. I will answer your silly question you sheep of a peasant if you can tell me one gun law that has reduced crime.

Also, speaking of world cultures and the fact you know nothing of them, how do you explain the phenomenon of fully automatic weapons in all houses in Switzerland and the fact the Swiss have the lowest crime rate and highest level of freedom in the world (not to mention one of the highest standards of living in the world)?

Care to answer another difficult question from the purveyor of truth? LOL?

No high altitude train answers please!!!! LOL!!!

Johnny Rico

Skyla Rodgers

PS I won

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

If The US government funds a massive new rail system across America it will put thousands of stone masons to work with bridges tunnels and station stops that will include new shopping areas and restaurants.
Just think of the jobs that would be created with a light rail system between Boone and Charlotte?
High speed rail could get you from Charlotte to Raleigh in a little over an hour.

Maybe you have ridden such trains in your travel and seen the beautiful stations and stone architecture. This would create lots of jobs for Stone masons, drywaller, and painters and the jobs would be required to pay a living wage or union scale.

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep said:

"it will put thousands of stone masons to work"

I agree with you, it would put thousands of stone masons to work. And why would it be American Stonemasons and not illegal alien stonemasons like it is now?

Like most other conservatives, I have no problem with projects such as this (as long as we can carry semi automatic weapons on the trains).

I can tell you, more conservatives harness solar, wind, and water power than liberals who simply talk about it. Pick up an issue of Backwoods Home Magazine and see for yourself.

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

"I can tell you, more conservatives harness solar, wind, and water power than liberals who simply talk about it."

Great maybe you can lead the way for the rest of us.

Those steps are all in the right direction and true conservative values.

Johnny Rico said...

I am doing all that is possible to lead a self-sustainalble lifestyle with perhaps a little left over for charitable donations. Just planted several hierloom apple trees not long ago. These apples are more disease resistant than the designer varities you find in the store and some are even native to Watauga County. When American Chestnut Hybrid (99% American Chestnut/1% Chinese Chestnut) seedlings are available on a larger scale, I will begin planting those also.

One thing I find strange is that wildlife biologists talk of past actions that threatened wildlife (market hunting, acid rain, etc..), but they never mention the Chestnut die off. Imagine an entire food source gone in a few years and what impact that had on wildlife in the Southern Appalachians. The entire food chain was affected from the now extinct (possibly) panthers to ground squirrels. A true catestropic event and not a murmer from so called wildlife advocacy groups.

It will be folks like me who plant these seedlings in hopes of restoring the once great Chestnut to our forests. Why doesn't Greenpeace, World Wildlife Federation, Sierra Club, PETA, and the other anti-hunting agencies place their insiduous agendas aside and join hunters in improving wildlife habitat. Right now, as always, it is the hunters who are allowing wildlife to suceed.

One other important point. The Pittman-Robertson Act is a tax on hunting and archery equipment that is in turn directed towards our nation's wildlife. Critical habitat is bought, species stocked, and a host of other programs supported. This year the Pittman-Robertson Act is swollen with funds due to the mega gun buying that has taken place. Not a peep from the liberal news media though. It is like they don't want ANY conservative based ideas or values to suceed. Strange times we live in. Also important to not is the fact Bill Clinton robbed from the Pittman-Robertson Act during his reign as President. I wonder if Hussein Obama will do the same?

Johnny Rico

Wildlife supporter

Katy Tarlington

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

This is another post I'm in full agreement.

The lost of the chestnut was one of the greatest catastrophic event in the history of America.
This environmental event should be taught more in our history and science classes.
I'm also aware of the apple trees like limbertwig which have very strong apple flavor long storage ( without refrigeration ) and can produce quality apple without chemicals.
Do you do your own budding?

I do believe hunters and groups like Greenpeace, World Wildlife Federation, Sierra Club have more in common than differeces. You make a excellent point.

Johnny Rico said...

POV,

Excellant, we agree on a few things! I do not do budding or grafting as I do not have the expertise in doing that. One of these days I will get around to taking a class at the Agricultural Extension Office to learn how.

The American Chestnut die off should indeed be taught in history classes. There are still folks who remember gathering Chestnuts from these mountains which is absolutley interesting. Bear populations in our mountains are doing well these days, but imagine how they would do if they had the Chestnuts to eat. Same with squirrels and turkeys. I am not sure if deer can eat chestnuts, I assume so. Also, can a Ruffed Grouse eat American Chestnuts?

Go green.

J.R.

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

Heritage Appe in Clemmons NC http://www.applesearch.org/index.html

guy faulkes said...

Rico, according to my dad and granddad, ruffed grouse and deer were prolific because of the American chestnut, as were most wildlife. They said that it was a common practice to shoot grouse that were feeding on chestnuts that had been crushed by wagons when traveling farm roads. As a matter of fact, my brother-in-law has a grove of Chinese chestnuts that the deer enjoy very much.

I have read that over one third of the trees in the Appalachian chain were chestnuts and that it was possible for a squirrel to to travel from Maine to Georgia without ever setting foot on the ground or in another kind of tree. Of course that statement was factitious, but it illustrates the impact the chestnut had.

As a side note, did you know that there was what amounted to a range war in Blowing Rock over the access of hogs to the chestnuts. When tourism started to be a big deal, the town passed a law that required people to fence in their swine. As the common practice was to let them roam free and feed off chestnuts, this drove many people out of business. These people made a living from selling hogs even though they did not have a farm. People left the area because of this law. I also understand some buildings were burned in protest.

Honest Debate said...

When I first came to Boone in 1980 the old timers talked of the chestnut trees. They were big and plentiful. In the winter when the ground was frozen they could cut the trees (by hand) and slide them down the mountain. They called this "ball-hootin' logs" At that time farmers were making farm land and burned much of the chestnut trees. They sawed what they could "ball-hoot" out. Many old barns around Boone are built of chestnut. I know of one that has 2 layers of 18 inch wide boards.