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Thursday, December 31, 2009

The Clarity of Righteous Indignation

Dick Cheney comments On National Security

“As I’ve watched the events of the last few days it is clear once again that President Obama is trying to pretend we are not at war. He seems to think if he has a low key response to an attempt to blow up an airliner and kill hundreds of people, we won’t be at war. He seems to think if he gives terrorists the rights of Americans, lets them lawyer up and reads them their Miranda rights, we won’t be at war. He seems to think if we bring the mastermind of 9/11 to New York, give him a lawyer and trial in civilian court, we won’t be at war.

“He seems to think if he closes Guantanamo and releases the hard-core al Qaeda trained terrorists still there, we won’t be at war. He seems to think if he gets rid of the words, ‘war on terror,’ we won’t be at war. But we are at war and when President Obama pretends we aren’t, it makes us less safe. Why doesn’t he want to admit we’re at war? It doesn’t fit with the view of the world he brought with him to the Oval Office. It doesn’t fit with what seems to be the goal of his presidency – social transformation—the restructuring of American society. President Obama’s first object and his highest responsibility must be to defend us against an enemy that knows we are at war.”

151 comments:

Honest Debate said...

There is much going on in Washington but I can't get away from the events of Christmas day hence the multiple post. In the coming days I'll try to mix it up a bit. Until then...

Does Cheney tell it or What?! I am in 100% agreement with his statements. I sincerely hope he runs in 2012 but I doubt he will.

Liberal POV said...

HD

Don't pee you pants, have some courage, you're more likely to be killed by a drunk driver.

The Obama doctrine is working the father of the Christmas day attack tried to warn us, that would not have happened with the Cheney doctine.

Honest Debate said...

"The Obama doctrine is working the father of the Christmas day attack tried to warn us, that would not have happened with the Cheney doctine." -LiberalPOV

Huh????

Honest Debate said...

Now I'm a coward? Let's see... I've been called a coward, a racist, a torture supporting masochist, a homophobe and a homo (tea bagger), brainwashed (Foxnews), stupid, mean and an environmental monster. Did I miss something? Oh yeah, pants-peeer. Where's Bridle when you need him?

C'mon Lib, make a point. What did Cheney say that you can logically refute?

Sarkazein said...

H.D, you qualified your request to POV too much. You used the word "logical".

guy faulkes said...

POV, unlike the terrorists that you support and admire, not many drunk drivers deliberately attempt to murder people for political reasons, particularly large numbers of people. However, one could extrapolate a point from your ramblings. More innocent unborn babies are killed by liberal pro-choice terrorists than are killed by other kinds of terrorists, although the babies are not generally considered to be killed for political reasons. It is therefore somewhat logical for you to think that it is permissable for all terrorism (which you support) be legal. This brings up an interesting question. If an abortion is done because the murdering mother is just exercising her "right" to chose, was it done for political reasons? I digress, Sorry.

How do you know that the father would not have warned us under a Cheney administration? I believe he would. I also believe that the information would have been put to use to stop the jerk from ever getting on the plane. Cheney's policies would go considerably farther than shouting "Stop or I'll shout Stop!" See I can repeat myself as well as you can.

Wolf's Head said...

LPOV, still evading the salient points? Your president is playing like the the school yard wimp who thinks that avoiding the bully and pretending he's not there will make him go away.

What kind of fantasy world do you live in?

Maybe our individual chances of being killed by a drunk driver are greater than dying in a terrorist attack, does that mean we shouldn't care about our fellow citizens or our country? What kind of idiots are you lefties anyways?

My daughter and son in law flew in from Germany on Monday and will be flying out this weekend. I want them to be safe and Obamao is more concerned with his ideology than the safety of America and her citizens.

As for Obamao's actions Forrest Gump said it best " Stupid is as Stupid does".

Liberal POV said...

HD

The main place Cheney and you miss the boat is you can't have a war on terrorism!
Terrorism is a strategy or weapon to create fear and instability. The more you attack terrorism the more effective it becomes.

The war its self creates more enemies willing to attack US interest.

We have been using the Cheney doctrine for nearly a decade. How has that worked out?

What does a terrorist look like? Arab? Black? Asian? Male? Female?
I believe Obama has it right we need world corporation and better communications, better police work and military strike ability to attack Al Qaeda strong holes and bases when found.
We don't need torture or GITMO both symbols of the Cheney doctrine that failed and gave AlQaeda added strength.
Fear mongering by blogs like this and Fox News or CNN aids the Al Qeada strategy.

Wolf's Head said...

Terrorism is a strategy or weapon to create fear and instability. LPOV

So killing people by blowing them up isn't terrorism?

The more you attack terrorism the more effective it becomes.LPOV

Wasn't that in a Star Trek episode where they encountered a force field that only worked when you struggled against it? No wait, it's the dreaded and lethal Chinese Finger Trap!!!

You can't be serious with thoughts like these LPOV, are you getting into the New'Year's Eve likker a little early?

Professor Johnny Rico said...

Liberal POV said:

"What does a terrorist look like? Arab? Black? Asian? Male? Female?"


Ok then, what does a gun owner look like? Black? Asian? Male? Female? The liberals sure love to declare war on white, male, southern, ex military vet, Ron Paul loving individuals don't they? Didn't Secretary Napolitano say something like that which was never refuted by the Hussein Obama administration? And yet you libertards try and say you cannot tell who a terrorist is even though people know who they are and are unable to turn them in for fear of being called a racist by the very ones who promote racist attitudes with gun owners. Can you say HYPOCRISY? LOL!!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Sam

PS Why don't you ever answer anyone's post. Is it because your fundamental belief system is flawed?

Liberal POV said...

Wolf

"So killing people by blowing them up isn't terrorism?"

Yes, its terrorism which is a weapon for radicals that have no navy, no air force, no tanks, but do have ragtag militia of extremist numbering only a few thousand at best. These extremist are with the help of US media and Blogs like this generating more fear then Hitler did in WWII one of the worlds best Navy, Air force, Armored Tanks, and huge military force of trained soldiers targeting major world cities with nightly bombing raids. WHY?

Sure we should keep pressure on them , but don't let this thread define us. Live your life as if they didn't exist. That's the only way to win against their strategy.

"The more you attack terrorism the more effective it becomes.LPOV"

I should have stated "The more you attack terrorism with conventional military force the more effective it becomes. " ( killing 20 innocent bystanders to get one extremist, Abu Grabu, GITMO )

guy faulkes said...

I should have stated "The more you attack terrorism with conventional military force the more effective it becomes. " ( killing 20 innocent bystanders to get one extremist, Abu Grabu, GITMO ) - POV

As usual, your statement was ambiguous. If by "it" your meant that by killing terrorists by conventional military forces including collateral damage is effective, you are correct. When they realize all terrorism or the support of same is going to get them is dead, then terrorism will cease.

If you think killing terrorists and those that support them makes terrorism more effective, you are either crazy or a terrorist yourself.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Thoses family members of children killed by US bombs targeting extremist may not have been extremist supporter before they lost a child to the acts of war.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Could you focus on the question of strategy?

Its terrorism which is a weapon for radicals that have no navy, no air force, no tanks, but do have ragtag militia of extremist numbering only a few thousand at best. These extremist are with the help of US media and Blogs like this generating more fear then Hitler did in WWII one of the worlds best Navy, Air force, Armored Tanks, and huge military force of trained soldiers targeting major world cities with nightly bombing raids. WHY?

Sure we should keep pressure on them , but don't let this threat define us. Live your life as if they didn't exist. That's the only way to win against their strategy.
What do you disagree with here?

guy faulkes said...

And after realizing the affect of harboring terrorists, they will not only refuse to harbor them again, they will actively oppose said terrorists. They will not want to face a similar situation. This is called winning a war. You force the other side to quit be removing their resources.

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV,

Are you unable to answer another difficult question? Still waiting for the gun owner/terrorist hypocrisy answer. LOL!!!

Your ole pal

Johnnny Rico

Sarkazein said...
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Sarkazein said...

Talk about Jet Lag

Johnny Rico said...

What's the matter Liberal Socialist Sheep POV, getting a bit out of control? Had your post removed eh? Try and control those liberal tendencies. LOL!!!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Sarah L.

Reader said...

"Sure we should keep pressure on them , but don't let this threat define us."

Who do you think we need to keep pressure on Lib?

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

""What does a terrorist look like? Arab? Black? Asian? Male? Female?"


This has got to be one of the dumbest questions I have ever heard. Folks knew that the Ft. Hood terrorist "looked like" a terrorist. They were unable to do anything about it due to liberal-spawned political correctness. Playing along with this statement begs the following question: What does a gun owner look like?" Black? Asian? Male? Female? The liberals sure love to declare war on white, male, southern, ex military vet, Ron Paul loving individuals don't they? Didn't Secretary Napolitano say something like that which was never refuted by the Hussein Obama administration? And yet you libertards try and say you cannot tell who a terrorist is even though people know who they are and are unable to turn them in for fear of being called a racist by the very ones who promote racist attitudes with gun owners. Can you say HYPOCRISY? LOL!!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico


Barbara B.

Sarkazein said...

What Underpants Bomber?

Libeal POV said...

Reader

"Who do you think we need to keep pressure on Lib?"

Extremist groups around the world who use terrorism as a weapon and strategy to force change through fear with the help of fear mongers.

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV:

It is just 2 posts back, you can do it, just try and answer it!!!! LOL!!!!!!!

Hard questions, hard questions......

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Billy

Libeal POV said...

Johnny Girl

Could you provide some history on the oppression of southern white male veterans? Just post a link as to were you get such nonsense.

Your opinion doesn't make this a fact or history.

Is it possible you have a very active imagination?

Sarkazein said...

So far off the subject, IT GIVES ME CHILLS but it won't make a bit of difference to the dogmatic global warming religious sect.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

You're being played for a fool.

" The climate “hoax” is real. The only problem is that the real hoax is the effort by climate change deniers who argue that the climate isn’t changing, or that it isn’t because of human actions."

http://www.circleofblue.org/waternews/2009/world/peter-gleick-the-real-climate-hoax/

Honest Debate said...

Lib,

You're article is a hoot! Thanks.

The author says, "The science is unambiguous. The climate is changing, rapidly, and it is doing so because of our emissions of greenhouse gases". It must be so, he said it. Based on...er...what?

This tool has no contact info or I would have contacted him. He must be embarrassed.

Liberal POV said...

HD

HD you really need to get out of Stony Point and see the world with your own eyes not the eyes of Heritage Foundation lies.


Here's a Bio

PETER H. GLEICK: CO-FOUNDER AND PRESIDENT OF THE PACIFIC INSTITUTE
Peter, co-founder and president of the Pacific Institute for Studies in Development, Environment, and Society, serves as scientific and technical advisor to Circle of Blue. His research and writing address the critical connections between water and human health, the hydrologic impacts of climate change, sustainable water use, privatization and globalization and international conflicts over water resources. He is a leading proponent of the “soft path” for water.
Peter is an internationally recognized water expert and was named a MacArthur Fellow in October 2003 for his work. In 2001, Peter was dubbed “a visionary on the environment” by the British Broadcasting Corporation. In 1999, he was elected an Academician of the International Water Academy, in Oslo, Norway and in 2006, he was elected to the National Academy of Sciences, Washington, D.C. He serves on the boards of numerous journals and organizations and is the author of many scientific papers and seven books, including the biennial water report, “The World’s Water,” published by Island Press. In 2008, Wired Magazine named him “one of 15 people the next President should listen to.”


Circle of Blue
1200 West 11th Street
Traverse City, MI 49684 USA
+1.202. 351-6870

guy faulkes said...

As with all proponents of golbal warming being caused by man, Gleick must now be considered what he is. This is a liar, and a charlatan out for personal gain. As it has been said, the debate is over. It is just that the result is the opposite of the crooks that originally made that statement.

The hoax has been exposed.

oatz said...

WOW! Obama was briefed about the terrorist threat over the Holidays and went to Hawaii to Golf and snorkel anyway. I guess he took Liberal POV advice and ignored the threat that harmed people. He ignored the worst depression in our history spending his vacation in a $4,000 a night mansion while all those poor souls have no Health Care and Two wars going on.

Liberal POV said...

Oatz

What's the rules when a Republican is in power?

Do we have a little hypocrisy here?

Sarkazein said...

More Global Warming Blasphemy

oatz said...

The only Hypocrisy Liberal POV is Obama tells everyone we must sacrifice for the Economy or are you saying he wanted an $8,000 a night mansion, but is saving us little taxpayers by settling for a $4,000 a night mansion. Let them eat cake for I am King Baroke Obama ruler of all things Hypocritical.

oatz said...

Sark, remember its all Bush's fault: his oil company cronies support non man issued Global Climate Change therefore we are all racists pigs! LOL.....

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"Could you provide some history on the oppression of southern white male veterans? Just post a link as to were you get such nonsense.

Your opinion doesn't make this a fact or history."

Are you able to prove what I say wrong? Janet Napolitano's message to all federal law enforcement a couple months back specifically targeted southern white males. It said specifically to be on the lookout for recently discharged vetrans who might fall victim to hate groups, gun owners, Ron Paul supporters, pro-life supporters, etc.... It did not specifically target liberals such as yourself who use violence and intimidation (terrorist) far more than southern white males. Prove it wrong.

Your ole pal
Johnny Rico

PS Maybe you ought to ask Howard Stern about the double standard applied to white males. Or the cop who arreted the black professor in Boston. Or all the white guys charged with "hate crimes" for using the N word whilst Blacks can use that same word on MTV and nothing is said. If you don't believe their is a double standard going on here, then you are in even more of a bubble than I originally thought. Chalk that up to imagination, idiot!!!

LOL

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

These are rants and your personal opinions.

Give me some links to actual events where white men were oppressed, denied voting rights, lynched, made to ride in the back of the bus?

Johnny you have a strong imagination.

Professor Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"Give me some links to actual events where white men were oppressed, denied voting rights, lynched, made to ride in the back of the bus?"

1. Howard Stern - nappy headed ho comment nearly ruined him. Black entertainers use this term and the n word and nothing is EVER said. Take boxer Bernard Hopkins saying a cracker would never beat him on national television. If his opponet, Kelly Pavlik, had said a n**^& would never beat him, it would have been all over for him.
2. New Haven Firefighters
3. White Police Officer in Boston (the one who had a beer at the White House)
4.Those targeted in Janet Napolitano's letter to our nation's law enforcement
5. Hiring practices giving preference to non-whites
6. College admissions giving preference (entrance and financial aid) to non-whites. See excellant article: 11/30/09 National Review: "Racial Preferences by the Numbers: Two researchers lay out the data on affirmative action in college admissions,"
by Robert VerBruggen
7. Black Panthers preventing whites from voting in last election (they were not charged as per Eric Holder)
8. Black Heritage Month, Black Entertainment Television, Black Caucus in Congress (whites cannot have anything like this or it is racist)


These are just a few off the top of my head.

Beat that idiot

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Trish Lephingwell

PS How's that for stats? LOL!

PSS Were you born stupid or did you just get that way?

Liberal POV said...

HD

I hope you will post this a the next main topic of discussion. It goes to the stop the fear mongering rants I've been on.

The point made in the link is the government, police and first responders will not be the first on the scene in a disaster but your neighbor, next door or next seat or the car behind you will be first.

These are the people that save the most lives in a real desaster.

Flight 253 was saved by average, people a term that pissed off Johnny on a different post.

They also stopped Richard Reid and others mentioned in the link.

Lets not coorporate in spreading fear, the government can't make you 100% safe or stop acts of terrorism from ever happening. Learn to go about your daliy lives anyway. Lets give up no more freedoms for this myth.
Find that courage you folks need and shout down the fear mongers.
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1950576,00.html

Liberal POV said...

Johnny


How much black history do you know?
Would Black congressman have common issues to solve?
Would BET have programing to appeal to a black audience similar to RFDTV has for a rural audience?

Are black young men targeted for more police stops?

What's your opinion of the KKK and its history?

http://www.courant.com/news/connecticut/hc-new_haven-firefighters-0630.artjun30,0,4824581.story

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/07/30/gates.police.apology/

BikerBard said...

Cheney wouldn't speak when he was in office, and cannot shut up now that he is not. Lots 'o yuks!

guy faulkes said...

When Cheney was in office, he was part of another man's administration. Unfortunately he did not get to call the shots. While I understand Obama sometimes has trouble keeping Biden from exposing the idiocy of them both, the role of the Vise President is to support the President. Only fools such as Biden and BB do not realize this.

POV, are you for real? You have argued endlessly with Rico and the rest of us that an individual should not carry arms with which to defend himself and others, and now you try to reverse the positions. You play the race card when everyone but you says race should not be a factor at all. What, for instance is the need for Black History studies? Is not history history? Should one not study all history? You really need help in dealing with reality.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

"When Cheney was in office, he was part of another man's administration. Unfortunately he did not get to call the shots."

Cheney was bush's puppeteer during the first four years and finally even Bush wised up.

Guy
Those that stopped the terrorist did so without a gun.

"History is history"

Our history has been filtered to propaganda for centuries. Many Americans were not taught the great achievements of black people during their school years.
The same is true of American Indians or people of Appalachia.

I learn something new everyday.
What age did you gain all of the world's knowledge?

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

""Give me some links to actual events where white men were oppressed, denied voting rights, lynched, made to ride in the back of the bus?"

Well, I gave you 8 right off the top of my head, and you have nothing to say for it except some generalized questions pertaining to Black History and other such nonsense. What do you have to say about the 8 reasons I gave you that white, southern American males are discriminated against more than anyone else? LOL!!!

Like a true liberal, you try and offline and re-direct the severe beating you have taken. Here, since you have ADD, they are again. Now lets see you refute them with your pansy arguements one by one:

1. Howard Stern - nappy headed ho comment nearly ruined him. Black entertainers use this term and the n word and nothing is EVER said. Take boxer Bernard Hopkins saying a cracker would never beat him on national television. If his opponet, Kelly Pavlik, had said a n**^& would never beat him, it would have been all over for him.
2. New Haven Firefighters
3. White Police Officer in Boston (the one who had a beer at the White House)
4.Those targeted in Janet Napolitano's letter to our nation's law enforcement
5. Hiring practices giving preference to non-whites
6. College admissions giving preference (entrance and financial aid) to non-whites. See excellant article: 11/30/09 National Review: "Racial Preferences by the Numbers: Two researchers lay out the data on affirmative action in college admissions,"
by Robert VerBruggen
7. Black Panthers preventing whites from voting in last election (they were not charged as per Eric Holder)
8. Black Heritage Month, Black Entertainment Television, Black Caucus in Congress (whites cannot have anything like this or it is racist).

LOL!!!

Hard questions, hard questions...

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

PS 2010 is going to be a long, long year for you and other liberal socialist sheep!!!!! LOL!!!!

Johnny Rico said...

Tricycle Lard!!!!!!!!!

LOL!!!! What snow covered, smegma lined, rat hole did you crawl out of? Your mom must be out of Spaghetti Os - hence the brief appearance from the Cheerleader himself!! Glad to have another whipping boy in the mix. Your buddy POV is getting shellacked as we speak. A question if you don't mind (and I am sure you do, but too bad), what do you think of the video "No Guns for Negros"? LOL!!!

Getting hot for you already isn't it?

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

PS At least your mommy can clean your bibs while you are out of Spaghetti Os. LOL!!!!!!

oatz said...

Now Newsweek is reporting that the Saudis briefed a top Obama official about the Yemeni underwear bomber back in October.....And yet Golfs away in Obama land.

Johnny Rico said...

Oatz,

A very good point. Did you hear about the small plane charter services in Hawaii that have been shut down due to airspace restrictions. Not only does he cost us several million for his fine vacations (3 this year so far I think), extravagent dinner parties, planes for his moronic wife, and a host of other royalty induced pleasures, but he ignores nearly every threat to the United States as if it will just go away. Hussein Obama does have a purpose - to make Bill Clinton look good. And H. Obama is doing a fine job of that!!!!!!

BikerBard said...

Rico! I'll talk to you over on "Watauga Wat..."

Never mind.

Your Mom just left the bar. She'll be back to your single-wide soon.

guy faulkes said...

It is good to see BB is consistent in his insightful, logical response. There is no wonder he wants to run back to Watauga Watch where he is protected from Rico.

POV, having a gun was not relevant. You still switched the opinions of others with those you had professed. We have all said that a man fights with his mind. The gun only makes him more efficient at personal self defense, something you despise.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

I see you like to debate me by putting words in my mouth than debating your fabricated words or making up lies then attacking those lies.

Reality is just not you thing is it Guy?
I have never attacked people that own hunting weapons or home defense guns. It's the gun fetish folks I find ridiculous those that guns are a religion or substitue for sex. I don't know if you have a gun fetish or not guy.
Do you own more than ten weapons?
Do you own military assault type weapons ( a weapon that is of no use hunting thats not a pistol )?
Do you have to have loaded weapon with you at all times?
Do you sleep with your weapon ( loaded and within reach of your bed)?
Do you find fondling your gun give you pleasure?
These could all be signs of a gun fetish ask you wife if she thinks you have a gun fetish?

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

" home defense guns"

Another uneducated statement by an anti-gun, anti-freedom socialist. Would you please explain just what a "home defense gun" is and more importantly how you arrive at point of telling others what they should and should not use for home defense.

You also fail, as usual, to touch upon the fact that the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with crime or hunting. It is about a balance of power. Power in the hands of people equals a less powerful central government - something that socialists such as yourself are terrified of.

Johnny Rico

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep said:

"It's the gun fetish folks I find ridiculous those that guns are a religion or substitue for sex. I don't know if you have a gun fetish or not guy."

And why do you have a problem with someone conducting fetish type activities in their own home? What other fetish type activities in the home do you believe should be regulated by your lover, big government? Sodomy maybe? S and M possibly? Or, and this is a good one, idiot liberal socialists with an Anti- American fetish spewing filth and lies? LOL!!!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

PS You really dug yourself a deep one with this. Thanks!!!!!

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"Do you own more than ten weapons?
Do you own military assault type weapons ( a weapon that is of no use hunting thats not a pistol )?
Do you have to have loaded weapon with you at all times?
Do you sleep with your weapon ( loaded and within reach of your bed)?
Do you find fondling your gun give you pleasure?
These could all be signs of a gun fetish ask you wife if she thinks you have a gun fetish?


I will list comments to make it easier for you to realize the inherent error in your socialist, anti 2nd Amendment ways:

1. Owning more than 10 weapons is somehow bad? So someone who inherits weapons from grandfathers on both sides of the family and then fathers and uncles is somehow, by default, bad? Where did you arrive at the 10 weapons rule? Is this arbitrary or did you just dream it up in liberal la la land? LOL!!!

2. Military assault type weapons. Unless you have a class III license, no one can own military assault type weapons. The definition of an assault weapon is that it must be capable of SELECTIVE FIRE which renders the weapon capable of fully automatic fire.

Are you confusing assault weapons with semi-automatic rifles that civilans can, and should, own? Guns like the AR-15, M-14, Mini 30, SKS, Remington Model 8, Remington Model 81 and the Ruger 10/22 (.22 rifle)? If so, then it simply shows your ignorance runs deep (might be genetic). If you aren't confusing the two then why are you using the term "assault weapon?" Does this mean you think semi-automatic weapons have no use in the hunting world? Semi-automatic weapons have been successfully to hunt every animal in the world for over a hundred years. So you are saying my Granddads semi-automatic Garand in 30-06 is somehow not going to kill an animal as well as say a Winchester Model 70 bolt gun in the same caliber? How is that? You are obviously very uneducated POV. Have you been to school?

3. Do you have a loaded weapon with you at all times? They ain't no good unloaded!!!!!

4. Sleep near loaded weapons: see #3 above if you have to ask such a stupid question!!!

5. Gun fondling pleasureful? I find many things pleasureful. I like fondling my boyfriend - does this mean I have a fetish with him (I hope I do). I like fondling the steel and wood of a good Colt Peacemaker in .45 Long Colt as I value the exquisite workmanship and mating of metal and wood into a work of art. Wow, now that I think about it, I have a lot of fetishes!!!!!

6. Ask your wife if you have a gun fetish? Uh oh, here you go again stereotyping gun owners. Why not say, "ask your mate if he/she thinks you have a gun fetish?" I find liberal socialists are a very discriminatory lot when it comes to women. I own guns, carry guns, and sleep with/near guns, yet you continue to talk as if it is a male only club. This type of discrimination was out the window in the 70s. Are you afraid of strong women (or maybe you have a fetish with them!) LOL!!!

Been a pleasure shoving good hard facts down your well worn throat!!!! LOL

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Samanatha Jones

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

I didn't say gun fetishes should be illegal, but people with them seem silly and have their lives out of prospective.

Notice how excited some poster here get over guns?

Of coarse the GOP (Grumpy Old People ) here get pissed off about a lot of silly issues invented by the Heritage Foundation. Many live poor and vote rich.

Just my opinion, You're welcome to disagree, that's why this is a free country.

Scared Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"but people with them seem silly and have their lives out of prospective."

Perhaps these very same people think the way you lead your life is silly. Furthermore, who are you to tell someone how to live their life? Maybe your life seems out of perspective to them too. Who is right here? You obviously feel the need to demean the poor people whom you say "vote rich" just as you demean the stone masons, carpenters, dry wallers, house painters, and young boys trying to make money mowing lawns in the summer by both calling them lazy and choosing criminals (illegal aliens) over them.

Simply amazing is all I can say. You are about the most smug, elitest, do gooding, socialist, close minded bigot I have ever seen on any site. The things you say are right out of the Nazi Germany 1937 playbook, do you realize that? Talk about scary - you define the word.

Johnny Rico

guy faulkes said...

POV, you are the person that keeps attacking the ownership of guns. Your hoplophbia is pitiful. You really need help. You cannot stand it that other people not only do not agree with you, but they laugh at you when they do not ignore you. If any one has a fetish about guns, it is you especially with your sexual fixation on them. Do you also have this fixation on your car?

I do not need to put words in your mouth. All I have to do is point out your inconsistencies.

One such inconstancy is bringing up the fact that an "average" citizen stopped a terrorist when you say a average person never would need to act in self defense. Haveing the gun is an additional problem to you, but it is the act of self reliance that you repeatedly rail against that really bothers you.

Let us cut to the chase. You do not like the private ownership of defensive guns. What are you going to do about it? We are the people with the guns.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Would you define hoplophbia ?

Guy "I do not need to put words in your mouth."

"One such inconstancy is bringing up the fact that an "average" citizen stopped a terrorist when you say a average person never would need to act in self defense."

See here you need to change my words and debate someting different.

No, what I said was the average citizen is not as likely to need a gun as a officer of the court or a drug dealer.

"Let us cut to the chase. You do not like the private ownership of defensive guns."

No, Its the gun fetish folks like yourself that I find foolish and silly but mostly harmless.

"We are the people with the guns." Have you noticed more and more policeman and military personel have brown eyes?
Do you ever try to find common ground?

Johnny Rico said...

If someone told a Jew in Germany in 1935 that in 10 years 6 million of their kind would be disarmed and burned in ovens by the millions, they probably wouldn't have taken that person seriously. They take it seriously now though.

Reader said...

"Have you noticed more and more policeman and military personel have brown eyes?"

Please explain.

guy faulkes said...

POV, hoplophobia (sp) is a term referring to the unreasonable fear of tools or weapons. It is simply a name for one of your mental disorders such as information retention disorder.

We need no common ground to exercise a civil right such as owning guns, other than opposing martinets such as yourself that would disarm us for political power.

Please answer the question. How do you propose to take guns from people that feel they have a constitutional right to own them because they need protection form not only criminals, but a tyrannical government (even their own)?

I assume you made the brown eyes comment because you are so full of something it has turned your eyes that color.

Further up the thread you made a comment that man made global warming was not a hoax. Would you care to comment now, or have you not been outside for the last few weeks? How do explain the extreme cold across the nation? How do explain that temperatures have been falling for the last ten years world wide?

I will give you one thing. When you drink the Kool Aide, you stay drunk on it. I am beginning to think you honestly believe you have not tried to reverse your position. Amazing.

BikerBard said...

Liberal POV

Rico cites HOWARD STERN as his evidence. That tells you all you need to know.

And Faux's gun fettish is caused by his feelings of inadequacy with his own....well, you get the picture. Textbook case.

oatz said...

Johnny Rico ( I hate to admit it) and BikerBard are both wrong Don Imus made the nappy headed ho comment about the Rutgers Lady Basket Ball team. I really admire BikerBard for his thoughtful and reasoned responses especially his nah nah nah boo boo argument. Or better yet, I'm rubber and YOUR glue responses. If that fails the BikerBard resorts to name calling then resorts to critical analysis of his opponents spelling or use of grammar to make him feel SPECIAL. BikerBard then fires up his trusty stead aka LIKKER cycle and putt putts over to Watauga Watch congratulating himself on his superior whit and wisdom.

Simon Jester said...

BB, once again you have placed the kind of post that makes people wonder if you are gay. Your fetish (POV's word) about men and sex is always on your mind and in your posts.

Sarkazein said...

"Textbook case."-BB

What "textbook" would you be referencing?

"The Book of Liberal Fairy Tales" perhaps.

J. Rico said...

Oatz,

Thank you for the correction on Don Imus.

Sarkazein said...

HAVANA (Reuters) - Cuba denounced as "anti-terrorist paranoia" new U.S. security measures for air travelers from the island and 13 other countries, but passengers waiting to fly from Havana said on Monday thorough checks before heading to the United States were nothing new.///

POV and Castro need to let up on poor Obama.

POV, you and the murdering, thieving, billionaire Communist are singing from the same hymnal.

Sarkazein said...

Lately I have heard Obama and others say the Muslim terrorists are using GITMO as a propaganda tool to recruit new Muslim terrorists. This is why, they say it must be shut down.
Somehow in the warped liberal mind, sending missiles into a sovereign Muslim country (Pakistan) and killing Muslim terrorists in their villages is NOT propaganda worthy with the Muslim terrorist recruiters, but GITMO is.
Liberals just cannot be honest.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

Could it be both? We can't stop taking out terrorist camps inside Pakistan but we can shut down GITMO.

BikerBard said...

Oatz:
Wit is spelled "W-I-T." Moron.

"Of wit, not so. And of letters you need but three to write you down A-S-S." - Edmond Rostand

We now have the "Guy (Gay) Rule" in effect:

"Anyone who mentions homosexuality has conceded he has run out of arguments and automatically loses"

You losers need this gay tag to pat yourselves on the back and reaffirm your sadly lacking sexuality. Especially Faux.

Simon and Sark, I understand your need to be "one of the boys." I just thought you were better. You are not. Sad.

Sarkazein said...

POV- Your answer was not an answer. But, it does show you will support what Obama does at all costs. You write: "Could it be both?"
THAT IS THE POINT! The enemy will use anything and everything whether it be true or false as propaganda . For that reason, WHO CARES what the enemy uses. The GITMO thing was bogus, just like you say...it could be both just as easy.
I think it is a bigger deterrent to a terrorist (other than killing him/her) to be threatened with a perhaps endless time in GITMO than it is trying to kill him as deterrent. I believe the fear of ending up in GITMO was the best deterrent. Obama used it as a political wedge, and you bought it.

Sarkazein said...

BB- I don't know what you are commenting about.


"Simon and Sark, I understand your need to be "one of the boys." I just thought you were better. You are not. Sad."-BB

Sarkazein said...

POV-
Let me save you some time. The missile strikes kill bystanders also. So save the BS about innocents being locked up in GITMO. The collaterally damaged
Pakistan citizens are dead or blinded or paralyzed or orphaned or homeless after the missile strike.
The LEFT used GITMO as propaganda. By now you should have realized it.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

You still want to play their game as we have the last decade or more.
Why do you want to keep doing the same thing over and over expecting a different results?

Sarkazein said...

POV-

I promise you, your last comment makes no sense.

Who is playing into "their" hands? Obama the missile launcher? Who????

Forget the "ignore them and they will go away thing", it is beyond nonsensical... really.

Sarkazein said...

Come on BB. How much time do you need to computer check each word, punctuation, grammar, sentence structure and relative quotes?

oatz said...

PUTTT PUTTT PhUTTT PHUUTTTT....Likkercycle tuned up as good as new there BikerBard. WITNESS your ringing endorsement of my last point, thank you BTW. Your cunning linguistic skills coupled with your being a master debater make you a real threat! Keep up the great work.

Sarkazein said...

Check out the FROZEN AL GORE web sight.

Sarkazein said...

The boy President said ,"There will be no finger-pointing"... as he points his finger at everybody else.

Honest Debate said...

Sarah Palin nails it.

Reader said...

Oatz, if you put two and two together, might be the "english professor" on another blog. I'd consider that, incognito. At least Blogger posts under Blogger.

Finger pointing? What's that saying, you got four pointing back at ya? He's losing ground, faster than the snow is falling.

Liberal POV said...

HD

What do you want to happen to Abdulmutallab? Torture?
Many terrorism experts believe more and accurate information is received with human treatment, then torture. Would you be disappointed if that turns out to be true?

Why does this relatively small group of extremist with no navy, no air force, and few weapons, frighten the modern US more than Nazi Germany's highly trained and armed Military of the 1940s?

You're far more likely to be killed by a drunk driver.
Good police work, limited military, world wide cooperation and down playing the fear to make the act of terrorism ineffective is what it will win.

Have some courage.

F__K the terrorist live your live without fear.

Sarkazein said...

POV, that was not even a good dodge.

Sarkazein said...

"Why does this relatively small group of extremist with no navy, no air force, and few weapons, frighten the modern US more than Nazi Germany's highly trained and armed Military of the 1940s?"-POV


Since you are probably the only person in the world that has ever asked - much less thought of this "question", you will be the only person to ever be able to give yourself an answer. It may help you to define the word "frighten" to yourself while answering yourself and to talk out loud to an inanimate object so you don't keep getting interrupted with the word "wwhahahahat".

guy faulkes said...

POV, you have used this "more likely to be harmed" argument before. Your argument was proven idiotic then. Why do you persist in bringing it up again. Oh, I forgot you suffer from information retention disorder. This is a common affliction of liberals that use the tell a big lie enough times and people will believe it gambit. Your support of terrorism has been noted so anything you say must be viewed as being for the ultimate benefit of the terrorists.

You never answered my question as to your opinion of global warming after the adverse temperatures of the last several weeks. The charlatans promoting the concept of man caused global warming should be forced to pay restitution to the public for the monies robbed from them due to costs of useless legislation and regulations passed to control a non-existent problem.

Liberal POV said...

Guy and Sark

Neither of you have an answer to the questions ask above?


What do you want to happen to Abdulmutallab? Torture?
Many terrorism experts believe more and accurate information is received with human treatment, then torture. Would you be disappointed if that turns out to be true?

Why does this relatively small group of extremist with no navy, no air force, and few weapons, frighting the modern US more than Nazi Germany's highly trained and armed Military of the 1940s?

Is our our current society more cowardly? Other nations face this same threat of terrorism more often the we do without such hype and fear.
Get this into perspective, the drunk driver is more dangerous to your personal safety.
Don't be frighted by the media or blogs like this.

guy faulkes said...

POV, I just said the drunk driver defense has been debunked. There is not reason to keep going there. I do not argue with people behaving as would a three year old. Show some maturity and stop putting your fingers in your ears while chanting LA LA LA LA LA LA.

As you are a supporter of terrorism, are you more or less likely to be harmed by those you support than the rest of us? Is there a secret recognition method?

"What do you want to happen to Abdulmutallab?" Capital punishment, preferably by a transfusion of hog's blood. This should deter the next Islamic terrorist that wants to immolate him. Whatever the method, it should be sufficient to make other terrorists not want it to happen to them.

I notice you have not reply yet again to the issue of your discredited belief in man made global warming. Do you admit your concession on the issue, or are you just at a loss for words?

Liberal POV said...

Guy
Are you saying you have data showing Americans are more likely to die from acts of terrorism than a drunk driver?

There were 11,773 US drunk driving deaths in 2008.

The current cold snap just means the jet stream has shifted not that Global Climate change is not happening It could even be the cause of the jet stream shift due to warmer ocean temperatures in the Pacific.

Keep believing the flat earthers.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1206_041206_global_warming.html

guy faulkes said...

POV, you are indeed pitiful. There is no relationship between drunk drivers and terrorists other than you might drive drunk.

Global warming legislation is dead. The only question is how it's political supporters will be punished.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

"As you are a supporter of terrorism, are you more or less likely to be harmed by those you support than the rest of us?"

This statement is very telling of your character and lack of moral grounding.

Why do you feel the need to lie on this blog because you can't answer simple questions that require just a small amount of logic?

Guy you're a dishonest man of and should not be trusted by coworkers or customers. Your true character has been exposed.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

"What do you want to happen to Abdulmutallab?"

"Capital punishment, preferably by a transfusion of hog's blood."

We see your lack good Christian values in the above statement.

Sarkazein said...

"Why does this relatively small group of extremist with no navy, no air force, and few weapons, frighting (frighten)sp the modern US more than Nazi Germany's highly trained and armed Military of the 1940s?"-POV


Typing practice: To have this thought in your mind, you would have to ignore history completely. During WW2 there were posters up everywhere saying things like "loose lips sink ships", the government documented private yachts for coastal patrols, coastal cities had black-outs, people gathered scrap metal, War Bonds were advertised everywhere including the movie theater, there was a draft, people stood in line to enlist, Quakers joined the military in non-combat roles, women not joining up worked in factories producing war material, fuel and food was rationed. In other words, the whole country was on a war footing. Your weirdness may call that fear or frightened.
HOW are we more on a war footing (in-fear) now than in WW2?
Who could even think that? How do you think that? Where do thoughts like that come from?

Liberal POV said...

Sark

That's my point we weren't paralyzed by fear the British could expect a bombing raid on major cities almost every night, trains and ships were targets as were factories.
My point is the people of that period in history stood up to the enemy and when about their lives or jobs.

Have you been watching the fear mongering on TV?

We can only win against this tactic if we render in ineffective by stopping the fear monger and terrorism hype.
HD you can do your part here by not pushing fear.
F__K the terrorist live your lives.

Do you really believe this threat is on the scale of WWII or any where close?
They have nothing but a few people willing to commit suicide don't help them motivate more and don't let those that do succeed by helping hype their acts of terrorism.

Sarkazein said...

POV- You just don't make even a lick of sense. Yours is not a rational thought. Sorry.

Who's not going on with their life? The voices in your head?
Were the airplanes empty the next day, or the day before? Are the office buildings empty in your world?
Outside of the huge increase in the unemployed, people are going on with their lives. Where are you?

Sarkazein said...

POV is this one of your fellow PATIENTS?

Liberal POV said...

Sark

Are you watching the news, listening to the radio or on he internet?
This one unsuccessful incident is dominating the discussion in America.

Why is the media and Republicans willing to encourage terrorism by hyping this incident and spreading fear?

11,773 deaths from drunk drivers in 2008, where is the hype there?

Sarkazein said...

POV- Are you asking, other than Madd, countless other anti-drunk driving groups, road blocks for testing drunks, breath activated ignitions, anti-drunk driving bill-boards, anti drunk driving TV and radio commercials, tens of thousands of incarcerated citizens convicted of drunk driving, hundreds of thousands of illegal aliens convicted of drunk driving, warnings on pill bottles about driving, crowded AA classes for court mandated drunk driving charges... you mean that kind of a lack of "hype"?

On what planet do you reside?

Liberal POV said...

Sark

We Americans aren't afraid to get in our cars and go to the store and it doesn't dominate the national news and agenda.

No one suggest we use torture or send drunk drivers to places like GITMO.

Its prospective, we don't have the threat of terrorism in prospective to other dangers in our lives and that is why its been a effective tool for the extremist. Hyping to here and in the media works for the extremist.

Sarkazein said...

Time to face the music POV. You know the Underpants Bomber incident makes all of the other Obama missteps like GITMO closing, NYC trials of unlawful combatants, the changed terminology (man-made disasters, etc.), the apology tours, all come together to show a disconnect with his main job of defending the US.
Just like my link to the "PATIENT" video, it is so bad that other imbeciles say it is a set up similar to the head Republican pimp procuring Monica Lewinsky a WH internship to sabotage the Clinton administration, the Republicans now set up the Underpants Bomber with a ticket and exploding underwear to bring down Obama.
This is the only reason you try to equate the war on Muslim extremists with drunk driving, or the US reaction to the NAZIs. A typical Leftist deception.
Somehow in the warped liberal mind YOU don't think the attempted murder of 280 people plus collateral deaths is worth all the coverage. You lie about your reasoning by publishing that weird "ignore them and they'll go away" theory that no one could possibly be ignorant enough to believe.

guy faulkes said...

I see POV is continues to try to distract the thread with his irrelevant drunk driving issues. I am certain that he will continue this same logic(?) in order to recant his position on guns and the people that like them as the identical logic(?) can be applied to drunk drivers and deaths in which a gun was involved.

POV, I am glad you finally admitted that natural causes (The current cold snap just means the jet stream has shifted) are what influence the temperature of the Earth. However, lets pretend your ridiculous idea that man can influence the global climate is possible.

What is the exact temperature you wish to make the Earth? How many degrees do you wish to warm or cool the Earth? Do you want Medieval Optimum in which the world was much warmer than it is today? At that point in time there were vineyards in England. It is to cold for that now. Do you want Canada to have a more favorable climate or Mexico? What entity gets to decide?

There are also a few technical questions that need to be answered. The Earth moves in an elliptical orbit around the Sun. It also wobbles on its axis. When the relative position of the Earth is combined with solar flares or the lack thereof, the temperature of the Earth is vastly effected (so much so that this entire discussion is made ridiculous). Just how are you going to control this. Do you plan to just legislate it away? I do not think this will work because a state has repealed the law of gravity when a legislator added it to a bill to prove nobody read the bills. Another legislator (Senator Bll Sali of Idaho proposed the same thing as a protest to a minimum wage law he felt was not practical.) Not reading bills is now freely admitted, but gravity still continues to work. Also, what do you plan to do about such things as volcanic eruptions that put more debris and gasses in the air in a few hours than man can in a thousand years?

Finally, there is no problem with putting the terrorist to death in a manner that would curtail other terrorists and Christianity. Biblical scholars have said that the sixth commandment should be read as "Thou shall not commit murder." Capital punishment is not murder. It would be a sin to kill the terrorist because of hate, but I do not hate him. As a matter of fact, I respect a terrorist that puts his butt on the line more than I respect someone that supports terrorism against his own people by condoning and making excuses for the terrorists.

Sarkazein said...

POV- From one human to another, STOP trying to defend your theory. Your defense gets worse with every comment. Bogus is bogus, no matter how many times you try it's still bogus.

Sarkazein said...

POV- Here is more : What do you think the news coverage would be, if it was learned that JACK DANIEL'S was training drivers to drink and get in their cars and go out and try and kill people that aren't drinking and driving? How about if it was learned that JACK DANIELS had schools to teach you kids why it is important to get drunk and go out and run-over innocent people. How about if it was discovered that JACK DANIELS was paying reward money to drunk drivers families if they were successful at killing car loads of innocent families?
Need I go on? Are you catching a slight glimpse of a light bulb yet?

Liberal POV said...

Sark

We do have advertizing to encourage people to consume alcohol.

You and others need to get aperspective and stop peeeing your pants.

We can win by not spreading fear with ever increasing hype to increase radio, TV and blog traffic.

I forget most of you here are fear addicts.

Sarkazein said...

Yish

Reader said...

I don't get the fear thing with liberals. Who is spreading fear? Facts are not fear...unless you fear facts.

Conservatives look at violent crimes as a threat to everyone; liberals included. A drunk usually thinks they can make it home. A terrorist is on a quest to kill. There's the difference.

Yeah, I believe liberals see threats. What's threatening to them are the people who use words, not the terrorist, who is sitting on a plane with a bomb in his panties.

Sarkazein said...

Reader-

"I don't get the fear thing with liberals. Who is spreading fear? Facts are not fear...unless you fear facts."

Thank you.

Liberal POV said...

Reader

You and most of America are obsessed with the threat of terrorism when you are far more likely to be killed by a drunk driver you seldom think of.

That obcession is what makes terrorism an effective tool for extremist.
Your helping them ( the terrorist ) with their objectives. You also encourage such acts.

guy faulkes said...

POV, any comments on the use of your drunk driver logic(?) and the gun issue? How about answering the questions about global warming? You seem to be strangely silent.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

The current cold snap just means the jet stream has shifted not that Global Climate change is not happening It could even be caused by the jet stream shift due to warmer ocean temperatures in the Pacific.

Keep believing the flat earthers.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/12/1206_041206_global_warming.html

Liberal POV said...

Reader

"Facts are not fear...unless you fear facts."

True, the facts are in 2008 11,773 deaths were from drunk drivers more than has ever been killed in America in the last thirty years.

guy fauleks said...

Answer the questions, POV or admit your error. The jet stream argument supports me. We can do nothing to change it.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Do you believe the earth is flat?
Keep searching those kook sites and confirming your silliness.

Reader said...

Guess who's playing dodgeball?

guy faulkes said...

POV, thank you for your concession. Your refusal to answer proves even you believe man made global warming to be a hoax, and that either your drunk driving comments or your comments on gun owners are incorrect.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

You like debating the words you put in my mouth.

The entire Northern Hemisphere is colder than because the Southern Hemisphere is warmer than normal.

Global Climate change is about extremes and the real world is larger than your world of Watauga County.
Do you concede the earth may not be flat?

Do you consider that honest debate?

guy faulkes said...

POV, please post proof the Southern Hemisphere is warmer than normal along with an article by a reputable scientific group indicating this is a plausible reason for the record cold in this hemisphere. (Note that Watuaga County does not encompass the entire hemisphere.) We all know that the seasons are revered in the northern and southern hemispheres. The point is to determine if they are warmer or colder due to man's influence. As you have mention the jet stream, which is a natural phenomena, you only have degraded your own argument. Until you answer the questions along with supporting documentation, you are just squirming.

Are you not getting tired of your flat earth comments? They make you look less than intelligent and hurt your position.

You have no concept of honest debate. You have no proof supporting man made global warming, especially after the hoax has been exposed concerning the bad science used to promote this crisis for profit issue. All you have is your usual liberal talking points that you spout over and over and over and over .....

You also continue to ignore your dunk driving / gun double standard.

guy faulkes said...

I do not think I made my point. POV, do you now believe in man made half global warming with one hemisphere being warmer and the other colder? Why? Add those questions to the others.

Reader said...

HD, did you go to high school up here?

Sarkazein said...

With the Earth's orbit and rotation and the solar energy and cloud cover, the different sections of the planet are guaranteed not to change or fluctuate in any way. Any changes in any way are man's fault... don't believe me, read the warranty.

Southern Hemisphere warmer than the Northern hemisphere... man's fault. Northern hemispere warmer than the Southern hemisphere... man's fault. Brilliance.

guy faulkes said...

Sark, you named yourself well.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

This one should give you what you need to be informed.

http://climate.nasa.gov/

guy faulkes said...

Excuse me POV, but NASA information was exposed to have been falsely doctored by the release of the emails. You need a creditable source.

I do not need to be misinformed by the source you provided. Your talking point does not work. I believe it is very evident as to which of us is misinformed.

Give me answers to the questions and reputable sources to support them. You continue to dodge the questions. The best you can do is to try to deflect the discussion by using a discredited institution's discredited data while still not answering the questions.

I am particularly interested in your idea that man has caused global warming in one hemisphere and global cooling in the other.

guy faulkes said...

While I do not want to let POV off the hook, this is back to the original topic of the thread.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/world_news_america/8447399.stm

The swift execution of this terrorist after he has been interrogated is the proper response.

Reader said...

"I am particularly interested in your idea that man has caused global warming in one hemisphere and global cooling in the other."

Great question Guy!

Liberal POV said...

Guy

"Excuse me POV, but NASA information was exposed to have been falsely doctored by the release of the emails. You need a creditable source."

NASA has successfully put a man on the Moon, has weather satellites in the sky to predict hurricanes and tornados.
NASA has the worlds best scientist and Guy says they are not creditable?.

Guy the small prostitute science community you believe are the same people or type people( mostly lobbyist) that delayed tobacco reform and called into question the harm of smoking, costing millions of lives due to smoking related deaths. They are hired to lie by those that don't want the public informed. The carbon industries don't want the truth out there.

http://www.nasa.gov/home/index.html

This from the NASA web site http://climate.nasa.gov/causes/

The role of human activity

"In its recently released Fourth Assessment Report, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, a group of 1,300 independent scientific experts from countries all over the world under the auspices of the United Nations, concluded there's a more than 90 percent probability that human activities over the past 250 years have warmed our planet.

The industrial activities that our modern civilization depends upon have raised atmospheric carbon dioxide levels from 280 parts per million to 379 parts per million in the last 150 years. The panel also concluded there's a better than 90 percent probability that human-produced greenhouse gases such as carbon dioxide, methane and nitrous oxide have caused much of the observed increase in Earth's temperatures over the past 50 years.

They said the rate of increase in global warming due to these gases is very likely to be unprecedented within the past 10,000 years or more. The panel's full Summary for Policymakers report is online at http://www.ipcc.ch/pdf/assessment-report/ar4/syr/ar4_syr_spm.pdf."

Solar irradiance


"But several lines of evidence show that current global warming cannot be explained by changes in energy from the sun:

Since 1750, the average amount of energy coming from the Sun either remained constant or increased slightly.
If the warming were caused by a more active sun, then scientists would expect to see warmer temperatures in all layers of the atmosphere. Instead, they have observed a cooling in the upper atmosphere, and a warming at the surface and in the lower parts of the atmosphere. That's because greenhouse gasses are trapping heat in the lower atmosphere.
Climate models that include solar irradiance changes can’t reproduce the observed temperature trend over the past century or more without including a rise in greenhouse gases."

guy faulkes said...

This did not answer any of the questions and, as has already been stated, information from this agency has already been discredited by their own emails.

I am still waiting for you to answer the questions.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Do you believe in gravity?

I have given you the best scientific information availaible by the best scientist. These are the people that predict storms, put space craft into outer space and Guy says they have no credibility?

Guy I don't know how to debate a fool like you who believes all that disagree with your myths must be wrong no matter the edivence other wise.

For you to accept the truth you have to admit to being a fool. I think your choice will be to continue being a fool.
Your kind want to turn the clock back to the dark ages.

Sarkazein said...

"I have given you the best scientific information availaible by the best scientist. These are the people that predict storms, put space craft into outer space and Guy says they have no credibility?"-POV

Amazing how some don't realize how science goes on and on, disproving previous scientific theories over and over. Some don't realize that they were scientists that said the world was flat. It was scientists that said,"Let's drain another pint of blood out President Washington to make him feel better."
It is amazing how often the "first" humanoid changes, how the smallest particle is now not a molecule. But "scientists" told us it was. Ewww, these atoms must be "new" because some PHD hadn't noticed them before, so they couldn't have existed.
Most of the global warming "scientific" claims were claims for grants.

Liberal POV said...

Sark and Guy

Most of those trying to create doubt are lobbyist working for the carbon fuel industry as did the same type that worked for the tobacco industry.

For you to accept the truth you have to admit to being a fool. I think your choice will be to continue being a fool.
Your kind want to turn the clock back to the dark ages.

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV,

Back in 1980 they were saying we were heading into another ice age. Now we are warmer. Which is it POV. The junk science you advocate equates to an oppressive government taking more control over the personal lives of people. The entire globe, from China to England is experiencing colder than normal conditions. The ice sheet in Antartica is increasing. Polar Bear numbers are at an all time high. And what evidence do you have of global warming.

If global warming concerns you so much, then you want illegal aliens removed from this country, right? The illegal alien dope growers in California that started the million acre burn this past summer put more ash and carbon dioxide into the air than is normally done in a 10 year period by industry here in the US. What about that? Funny how liberal socialist sheep such as yourself who claim to be in tune with the environment won't say a word about illegal aliens trashing the environment. Aliens trash Big Bend National Park in Texas and nary a word. Burn a million acres and nary a word. Some poor white dude throws a can out the window in Big Bend and it is treated like a capitol crime. Can you say hypocrisy. Can you say "I am a stupid liberal who talks out both sides of my well worn mouth". LOL!!! You idiots are sport for me, nothing more!!

Yes, you guess it....your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Sammy

PS Why not invite some of the other equally idiotic imbeciles from Watauga Watch over here so I can pound a little on them also!!!!! Craig Dudley - where are you?

Honest Debate said...

Lib,

I'd add to Ms. Rico's post that temperatures are decreasing on other planets as well.

You cite the ICPP as scientific experts. They are not. The "I" stands for "Intergovernmental". They are the bureaucrats and lobbyist you rail against.

Liberal POV said...

HD and Johnny

So you and other conservatives believe the Coal and foseil fuel industries as well as banking, wall street all have your personal interest in mind when funding lies and propaganda through the Heritage Foundation?
You people live poor and vote with those who live behind gates and are driven around in Limos. You take the bait and use the undocumented worker as scapegoats when you have far more in common with their struggle than the rich you vote with.
For you to accept the truth you have to admit to being a fool. I think your choice will be to continue being a fool.
Your kind want to turn the clock back to the dark ages.

guy faaulkes said...

POV, you gave me discredited information proven so by communications from the very source you quote. I must admit that I am personally very distressed by the downfall of NASA's credibility. I am a proponent of a truthful and successful space program. There need be a house cleaning at NASA after the conservatives win in the elections.

You have yet to answer even one of the questions I asked. I will repeat them for you, as your information retention disorder may be partly to blame for your continued refusal to answer. However, I am more inclined to believe you have no answers and are merely arguing talking points (as usual).

"What is the exact temperature you wish to make the Earth? How many degrees do you wish to warm or cool the Earth? Do you want Medieval Optimum in which the world was much warmer than it is today? At that point in time there were vineyards in England. It is to cold for that now. Do you want Canada to have a more favorable climate or Mexico? What entity gets to decide?

There are also a few technical questions that need to be answered. The Earth moves in an elliptical orbit around the Sun. It also wobbles on its axis. When the relative position of the Earth is combined with solar flares or the lack thereof, the temperature of the Earth is vastly effected (so much so that this entire discussion is made ridiculous). Just how are you going to control this. Do you plan to just legislate it away? I do not think this will work because a state has repealed the law of gravity when a legislator added it to a bill to prove nobody read the bills. Another legislator (Senator Bll Sali of Idaho proposed the same thing as a protest to a minimum wage law he felt was not practical.) Not reading bills is now freely admitted, but gravity still continues to work. Also, what do you plan to do about such things as volcanic eruptions that put more debris and gasses in the air in a few hours than man can in a thousand years?

POV, do you now believe in man made half global warming with one hemisphere being warmer and the other colder? Why?"

These should be simple for you to answer. The first questions about what your opinion of an optimum temperature is, which countries should benefit or be harmed by man's control of the situation, and what entity decides this do not even require you to back them up. All I asked for is your opinion. The rest require documented support. The last questions should really be simple, as you have made a statement that define the questions.

Honest Debate said...

Lib, you lost me at: "So you and other conservatives believe the Coal and foseil fuel industries as well as banking, wall street all have your personal interest in mind when funding lies and propaganda through the Heritage Foundation?"

Try again.

Sarkazein said...

Sammy-
Speaking of Big Bend, at one time it was part of the Quachita Mountain range running from Arkansas. The Quachita basin was a deep ocean covering the floor of Big Bend National Park. Now it is a desert.
Some would wonder if the climate has changed in that area. This was pre dinosaur, so the CO2 emissions can't be blamed on Dino.
I just have to wonder if the climate changes...hmmmm. No Phd in Anti-Capitalism Green required to figure that one out.

Enforcer Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep Said:

" You take the bait and use the undocumented worker as scapegoats when you have far more in common with their struggle than the rich you vote with."

This brings to light the question you have still not answered. What would you tell all the out of work stone masons, carpenters, dry wallers, painters, and young boys trying to make a buck mowing grass in the summer that their jobs in Watauga County have been taken by criminals (illegal aliens).

Are you really going to call them lazy like you have in past posts? Is that your answer?

As far as you calling me poor, how do you deduce economic status from a blog? This ought to be interesting!!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Samantha

guy faulkes said...

Rico, POV cannot answer anything other than with talking points from his leaders that he has memorized. He has few original opinions. When he does he usually pulls a "Biden" and makes a fool of himself. His statement that global warming is only good for one hemisphere and causes cooling in the other is an example.

guy faulkes said...

Here is some creditable information for POV to review.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1242011/DAVID-ROSE-The-mini-ice-age-starts-here.html

I continue to wait for POV to answer my questions.

Sarkazein said...

The bitter winter afflicting much of the Northern Hemisphere is only the start of a global trend towards cooler weather that is likely to last for 20 or 30 years, say some of the world’s most eminent climate scientists.
Their predictions – based on an analysis of natural cycles in water temperatures in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans – challenge some of the global warming orthodoxy’s most deeply cherished beliefs, such as the claim that the North Pole will be free of ice in
summer by 2013.
According to the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre in Colorado, Arctic summer sea ice has increased by 409,000 square miles, or 26 per cent, since 2007 – and even the most committed global warming activists do not dispute this.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1242011/DAVID-ROSE-The-mini-ice-age-starts-here.html#ixzz0cGUBrVTn

LiberalGreggPOV said...

Greedy, wasteful, flat-earther Americans are responsible for global cooling!!!

Simon Jester said...

Greedy, wasteful, flat-earther Americans are responsible for global cooling!!!

No, it is caused by the ice cold heats of the liberals.

guy faulkes said...

Still waiting POV. Here is another link for your consideration. We just had the 14th. coldest December in 115 years.

http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/cag3/na.html

Honest Debate said...

Ever try watering 65 horses twice a day with ice...for weeks? Please, please let Lib be right for once. I'd give my right arm for some global warming.

guy faulkes said...

HD, I will do my part to help. As soon as it warms up enough for these old bones to take it, I will go out on the porch with a can of hair spray in each hand in order to weaken the Ozone warm the Earth.

Honest Debate said...

Thanks Guy, I've got my tractor idling in the barn. Can you please change your light bulbs back to incandescent?

Sarkazein said...

WASHINGTON — Federal health care reform will require most Northern New Yorkers — but not all, it turns out — to carry health insurance or risk a fine.

Hundreds of Amish families in the region are likely to be free from that requirement.

The Amish, as well as some other religious sects, are covered by a "religious conscience" exemption, which allows people with religious objections to insurance to opt out of the mandate. It is in both the House and Senate versions of the bill, making its appearance in the final version routine unless there are last-minute objections.

Although the Amish consist of several branches, some more conservative than others, they generally rely upon a community ethic that disdains government assistance. Families rely upon one another, and communities pitch in to help neighbors pay health care expenses.///

Equal under the law? Judge, why do I have to go to prison for not having insurance, and he doesn't.
Because he's Amish and the law doesn't apply to him, his religion doesn't like government interference.

Has the Left even seen the US Constitution?

Liberal POV said...

Flat Earthers and GOP( Grumpy Old People)

Global Climate change means simpley more extreme weather.
More drouths, hotter summers, bigger storms, more tornados and yes colder winters in some places. More extremes.

We can't remove the coastal vegitation and not expect to strick land harder.
We can't burn fuel that's been stored in the earth for millions of years in in the volumes we are currently burning it and not effect the atmosphere.

Buy the coal industries lies.

How about the acid rain is that also a myth?

guy faulkes said...

Are you ever going to answer the questions, POV? It seems you want to run and hide. You will not even tell us what is optimum. If you do not know what is right, you can't know what is wrong.

While acid rain is a pollution, it has no effect on the global climate. Is there no such thing as discarded plastic bottles? Discussing pollution is an entirely different matter than the hoax of man made global warming.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

"While acid rain is a pollution, it has no effect on the global climate"

Both are coming from the same type coal and power plants.

The power plants have the technology to produce cleaner energy.
Why would a conservative support waste the world's natural resources?

The issue of global warming or climate change is directly connected to all forms of pollution and throw away society or consumerism.
We waste far too much.
We can live better lives consuming far less and eating like our grand parents with fresh gardens.

Have you noticed in the grocery stores all the box food containing a tiny amount of food that has to be kept frozen, transported and the trash transported again then stored in a landfill?
Think of the fuel required to make crappy food available to American consumers.
You want to protect this over a cleaner air and healthier environment?

guy faulkes said...

I will answer your questions when you answer mine. You no longer get a free ride.

Focus. Try to stay on topic. We were talking about the hoax, man made global warming. Do not change the subject. Doing so is an admission you have no answers and that you are wrong.

While you are at it, what is your opinion of BB's post on the "Who Is the Racist?" thread? Please post the answer there.

Honest Debate said...

Lib,

Gardens?

Sarkazein said...

Most of the reported "extreme" temperatures tie records form the 1920's or the 50's or the 70's, or as the recent Houston freeze tied the 199? record.
It's all the same, you cannot pick a 100 year span in a billion year old climate and average it out to create an average for the entire billion year old climate.
The last couple of years it was predicted to be a record hurricane season. It didn't happen. I'll bet back in the late 1800s, no one knew what the hurricane activity was in the other 99% of the world. So all the "extreme" climate conditions being caused by man is just plain BULL.
There is NO ESCAPE from the global WARMING theory with the CHANGE to CLIMATE CHANGE. Gypsies have more believable future predictions.