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Sunday, January 24, 2010

Rudderless Leadership

***UPDATE***
This thread was really intended to discuss the horrible bumbling of Abdulmutallab. The title however is much broader so I thought I'd put Sarah Palin's take on his rudderlessness here. Of course that's was yesterday. Today is a new day.
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The decision to mirandize Abdulmutallab was a huge mistake. It shows this administration does not understand our enemies or our responsibilities. This had made us less safe. The Washington Post has a scathing piece on it but because of the spot on analysis I'll link this instead. The Post article is linked within it.

37 comments:

Liberal POV said...

HD

The Obama Admin believes in the rule of law and respect for human rights.

These ideas of a civilized human world and respect for human rights and rule of law will be what defeats Al Qeada as it deprive Al Qeada of propaganda tools.

The Obama Admin has this right.

Mike D. said...

POV,

We may be Kool-Aid drinkers, but at least our beverage is made in the USA.

I think Al'Qaeda has been feeding you some of their version of Kool Aid, Kalah Gunjeshk (battered deep fried bird heads).

It would explain the avian depth of your understanding of Al'Qaeda.

It appears that you trust Al'Qaeda. Can you be this naive? No wonder your side is getting destroyed. The truth is emerging.

Liberal POV said...

Mike D

So you see Torture and Human right abuse as the way to a safer world?

Honest Debate said...

Evidently Bin Laden has claimed responsibility for the attempted attack. We'll see if it's authentic. Until we know I'll continue to believe he has assumed room temperature.

Honest Debate said...

Lib,

When you say "human rights" are you referring to the 50 Gitmo prisoners that Obama rightly plans to hold indefinitely without trial? When you say "torture" do you mean people having to choose between burning alive or jumping out a 100 story window?

Liberal POV said...

HD

I ask you do you see torture and human right abuse as the way to a safer world?

"When you say "torture" do you mean people having to choose between burning alive or jumping out a 100 story window?"

We aren't Al Qaeda and cannot win resorting to Al Qaeda tactics.

Your thirst for revenge is not the strategy to winning.

This war is with Al Qaeda not Al Qaeda's strategy of terrorism.
You could help that effort of not hyping fear and political instability as a result of terrorist acts.
Please don't make Al Qaeda your allie in your petty anti Obama campaign.
I'm sure you can find other places to be petty.

Honest Debate said...

The world will continue to become more and more dangerous if we let it.

You say we are at war with Al Qaeda so why treat an Al Qaeda operative as a common criminal? Are we at war or not?

You ask: "Your thirst for revenge is not the strategy to winning."

See, this bugs me. I believe the war is against more than Al Qaeda. I think Bin Laden is dead or cowering in a cave. It seems to me those obsessed with Bin Laden and Al Qaeda are the ones focused on revenge. Revenge has some worth but I believe it's not enough. We must change the world or die.

Liberal POV said...

HD

"We must change the world or die."

We both agree here.

We don't make the world a safer place with torture and human rights abuse.

We don't make the world a safer place by playing along with the tactics of extremist by hyping fear and terrorist acts as the US media and internet sites have done.

Honest Debate said...

Lib,

Do we make the world safer by ignoring valuable intelligence that potentially could save hundreds if not thousands of lives?

oatz said...

Liberal POV has the Obama administration closed Gitmo, yet? His FIRST official act as President( other than retaking the Oath of Office)was to order the closing of Gitmo. Here we are more than a year later and the Bush "bad policy" of Gitmo is still being used. I don't recall any major newspaper denouncing this or yourself screaming about the lack of follow through by Obama. I also recall that TORTURE was not to be tolerated by Obama and yet we now outsource this to other countries. The Patriot act has been EXPANDED during Obamas first year, but the lack of outrage by the LEFT leads me to a cartoon about the new year. Baby 2010 is being told by Old 2009 that 2009 was just the same as 2008, but the MEDIA did not mind. The Emperor has no clothes admit it.

Liberal POV said...

HD and Oatz

The torture policy of Cheney Bush didn't result in reliable intelligence.

You believe the myth of fictional TV "24 Hours" and "Dirty Harry" syndrome.

Yes I'm disappointed GITMO is not closed.
Why does Obama need to spend political capital to do do what is right and in alll of our interest?

GITMO is a propaganda tool (thanks the Dick Cheney and Bush policy on torture) for Al Qaeda. the longer GITMO remains open the longer it works for them ( Al Qaeda ). Oatz makes a point. Why does the right want to continue giving this propaganda opporitunity to Al Qaeda?

Honest Debate said...

"The torture policy of Cheney Bush didn't result in reliable intelligence. -LiberalPOV

Accepting your premise that waterboarding is torture, I don't, then what about the Library Tower in LA?

Liberal POV said...

HD

"Accepting your premise that waterboarding is torture, I don't,"

All the treaties we have signed do as didand US courts did.

"Cases of waterboarding have occurred on U.S. soil, as well. In 1983, Texas Sheriff James Parker was charged, along with three of his deputies, for handcuffing prisoners to chairs, placing towels over their faces, and pouring water on the cloth until they gave what the officers considered to be confessions. The sheriff and his deputies were all convicted and sentenced to four years in prison."

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=15886834

I don't know any thing about the Liberty Tower was this a real story or fiction from 24 Hours?

Honest Debate said...

"All the treaties we have signed do as didand US courts did." -LiberalPOV

I'm pretty sure that's wrong.

I'm not sure the relevance of the rogue cops and their rightful punishment.

I see your link is from NPR. NPR is a corporation like the ACLU and Greenpeace. You've taught me that corporations are evil. Why would you cite one?

Honest Debate said...

"I don't know any thing about the Liberty Tower was this a real story or fiction from 24 Hours?" -Lib

Then you are making wild claims that you can't back up. Waterboarding saved lives. Look it up: Library tower, LA.

Sarkazein said...

POV wrote-"Cases of waterboarding have occurred on U.S. soil, as well. In 1983, Texas Sheriff James Parker was charged, along with three of his deputies, for handcuffing prisoners to chairs, placing towels over their faces, and pouring water on the cloth until they gave what the officers considered to be confessions. The sheriff and his deputies were all convicted and sentenced to four years in prison."

What goofy analogy. Can a Sheriff send in B-52's to flatten an area before he executes a search warrant?

Liberal POV said...

HD

I don't think the non profits of Greenpeace and NPR are in the same league as Massey Coal or Exxon.
Now how is the rogue cop different than the rogue Admin of Bush Cheney on Human rights and torture?

Why would you let yourself be pulled into the mob mentality of revenge, torture and human rights abuse?
This is all counter productive in defeating Al Qaeda.

Sarkazein said...

POV insists on goofy analogies-"Now how is the rogue cop different than the rogue Admin of Bush Cheney on Human rights and torture?"


Can a cop pick off a suspected criminal not in the act of a crime at 500 yards that doesn't even know the cop is there? Can a cop send in a cruise missile to a place he thinks the gang-leader is sleeping?

Let me know if a dim light bulb goes off in your head. That will be when you realize you are comparing apples to monkeys.

guy faulkes said...

POV, why is it you have never told us which corporations you own in your mutual funds and what you have done as a shareholder to influence their behavior?

You may now start with your talking points and La La La La .....

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Yes, I do have some mutual funds which is my retirement rolled into an IRA.
I have no real voice in how much the managers of this fund skim for themselves whether the fund earns money or not.

If you or other conservatives here think you have a real voice in wall street decisions your fools.

This whole IRA and 401K deal started as agreat idea but the criminals have taken over. It's now a scam to steal what's left of working people's savings.
Obama needs to try to find the power to go after these criminals.They will push back through silly fools like you.

guy faulkes said...

So what POV is saying is that he has not tried to make a personal effort to change the course of the evil corporations that he so despises but still owns.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

What do you think of Torture and Human Rights abuse?
Does it make you feel safer?
Will it help us win the war with Al Qaeda or give them more propaganda power?

Liberal POV said...

HD

This is what I found on Libery Towers LA.

There is no Liberty Tower located in Los Angeles.

The photos of the building flashed around the country by an unquestioning media are of Library Tower ( http://www.glasssteelandstone.com/US/CA/LosAngelesLibraryTower.html ) - and the White House later issued a correction admitting the mistake. With his entire administration at stake over the controversy of maintaining surveillance on American citizens without first obtaining court orders, it's hard to imagine Bush making such an error - especially when the speech was so clearly designed to offset the controversy.

Do you have more?

Sarkazein said...

POV wrote- "This is what I found on Libery Towers LA.

There is no Liberty Tower located in Los Angeles. "


snicker snicker

Sarkazein said...

Osama warned the United States today that, "God willing, our attacks against you will continue as long as you maintain your support to Israel."


Wait a minute, I thought it was GITMO and enhanced interrogations encouraging their evil. No?

Liberal POV said...

Sark

No, It's GITMO aid in their recruitment and fuels anti US anger.

Honest Debate said...

Lib,

I have no idea where you got "liberty" tower from, it wasn't me.

Here's the story. Obama's CIA stands by it.

Gee wiz Lib. Nobody likes having to water board but it beats the hell out of mass murder. We did it to only 3 terrorist. If it was up to you thousands would be dead. Does that give you pause?

Liberal POV said...

Sark


HD

Accepting your premise that waterboarding is torture, I don't, then what about the Library Tower in LA?

January 24, 2010 4:03 PM


POV
I don't know any thing about the Liberty Tower was this a real story or fiction from 24 Hours?

January 24, 2010 4:39 PM

Sark

There is no Liberty Tower located in Los Angeles. "


snicker snicker

January 24, 2010 6:55 PM

You folks watch way too much TV.

Honest Debate said...

Lib,

I guarandamntee you Massey Coal and Exxon have had a more positive effect on your life than NPR or Greenpeace.

Why do I let you drag me into the weeds? ...er...maybe I dragged you...nevermind.

Honest Debate said...

Lib,

I have no idea whatsoever what your last post was about.

Sarkazein said...

Politico today:

White House advisers appearing on the Sunday talk shows gave three different estimates of how many jobs could be credited to President Obama’s Recovery Act.

The discrepancy was pointed out by a Republican official in an email to reporters noting that “Three presidential advisers on three different programs [gave] three different descriptions of the trillion-dollar stimulus bill.”

Valerie Jarrett had the most conservative count, saying “the Recovery Act saved thousands and thousands of jobs,” while David Axelrod gave the bill the most credit, saying it has “created more than – or saved more than 2 million jobs.” Press Secretary Robert Gibbs came in between them, saying the plan had “saved or created 1.5 million jobs.”///

Who is at the Obama helm? and what are they smoking?

Sarkazein said...

"There is no LIBERTY Tower located in Los Angeles. "-POV

Was your quote POV, after HD's request to you:

"Accepting your premise that waterboarding is torture, I don't, then what about the LIBRARY Tower in LA?"-HD

Hence the snicker.

Honest Debate said...

Sark,

In this way Lib thinks he can avoid the truth that water boarding KSM prevented the plot to bring down the Library Tower. He will not respond and if by chance he does it will not be meaningful. A little time will pass and he will trot out the same BS again. The library tower plot has been brought to his attention many times before. Same song.

guy faulkes said...

I think our beverage is TEA as will it will be for most liberal politicians that wish to remain in office by weaning themselves of Kool Aid. Massachusetts has made TEA the drink of choice for politicians.

POV: "What do you think of Torture and Human Rights abuse?" If you are talking about interrogation, it is not torture. If you are talking about members of liberal politician's staff knocking down reporters and liberal political groups trying to intimidate people from voting, I am not for it.

"Does it make you feel safer?" If you are talking about interrogating terrorists such as those you support, yes.

"Will it help us win the war with Al Qaeda or give them more propaganda power?" Yes it will help win the war. Those such as you give them more propaganda power through your support. What you do is even better than giving them money, although I would not put that past you either.

Sarkazein said...

When POV finally sees it is two different words, Liberty and L I B R A R Y he will say "Mmmm Nevermind".

Sarkazein said...

The President from Bizarro Land sold to the gullible as a great uniter transcending politics.
Truly the Bizarro President.
Rudder, he is the blindfolded one swinging wildly at the pinata and only whacking the innocent by-standers.

Mike D. said...

Liberal POV,

You said "This is all counter productive in defeating Al Qaeda."


I am curious. What is your plan to defeat Al'Qaeda?

From everything I've heard, those who best agree with your world view support 'The Golden Rule' as the only weapon and the only strategy.