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Friday, February 5, 2010

Rush Limbaugh -- Dancing Fool

84 comments:

Liberal POV said...

Drugs can do that.

Sarkazein said...

Tell us about it POV.

Reader said...

Really HD, like I needed to see that.

Sarkazein said...

White men can't dance.

Honest Debate said...

Reader,

Blogger posted it but you know in your heart that you liked it.

Tee hee.

Liberal POV said...

Rush Groupies

It shows he may still have drug problem.

Sarkazein said...

Duhhahah drugz dahhahaha Russh iz on drugz dahaha

Liberal POV said...

Sark

Strange how you good Christians alway talking family values find this drug addict so appealing.

Sarkazein said...

POV-

I'll make a bet that Obama, Commander-In-Chief, has ingested more illegal drugs than Rush, the radio commentator, ever thought of.
Rush addicted to pain medication, Obama recreational mind altering illegal drug abuse (self-proclaimed) AND, I don't expect you to realize the difference.

Mike D. said...

Sark,

I do not recognize the difference. The drugs Rush was addicted to were opiates, aka derivatives of opium and in the same family as heroin.

Doctors in California have been prescribing marijuana to patients. Does that change your view of Californians who smoke pot? I doubt it.

Whether or not a doctor, who is a person, helps an addict delude himself into believing he does not have a problem is totally irrelevant to me. Self-deception is self-deception, whether the person uses the opinion of a doctor, the word of God, scientific studies, or any other means.

"Rush addicted to pain medication, Obama recreational mind altering illegal drug abuse" - Sarkazein

You say "pain medication" as though it's caffeine or aspirin, no big deal. Not so at all!!! Opiates are not pain medication!!! They are euphoria inducers, and they screw with serotonin levels and uptake in the brain every bit as much as the "recreational mind altering illegal drug[s]" Obama claims to have taken in his youth.

Your portrayal of one as no big deal and the other as some terrible thing is absolutely false.

I will happily make the argument that the two drugs are similar in their mode of chemical activity within the nerve synapses of the brain. But one is being used by one person for entertainment, while the other is being used by the other person as an unnecessary crutch to get through each and every day. One is technically legal, and the other is technically illegal, but when did we decide that morality and legality hold the same meaning?

In some Communist countries, it has been highly illegal to worship Jesus Christ. Does this mean it was also immoral to do so? I question your logic.

Sarkazein said...

Mike D-

Not my point. One was to relive chronic pain, the other to relieve chronic reality for fun.

Sarkazein said...

Mike D.

For instance, I might steal food to keep from starving, but wouldn't steal food for a food fight.
I might kill someone in self-defence, but wouldn't kill someone just to watch him die.
I make take a pain pill so I can go to work, but wouldn't smoke a joint so I could enjoy my stolen food.

Sarkazein said...

I rushed that one, I may have to try again after the drugs wear off.

Mike D. said...

Sark,

Sounds like you support medical marijuana. Is this true?

Mike D. said...

"One was to relive chronic pain, the other to relieve chronic reality for fun." - Sarkazein

To quote The Man in Black from The Princess Bride, "Life is pain, Highness. Anyone who says differently is selling something."

Liberal POV said...

Sark

Pain is your justification for drug use?

Does this apply to those that have lost a spouse, child, job, income, home, friend, limb, health, lover, customer, rating, political office, tooth, nerve, courage?

Sarkazein said...

Mike D-

The ONLY reason I don't support "medical marijuana" is because of the scam it is. Marijuana shouldn't be legal or illegal. It shouldn't be up to the government to decide by whoever fills out the paper work who can smoke it. Medical marijuana is like handi-capped parking. It's mostly BS. Not the use of it for whatever reason, but the handicapped smoker BS. And yes I do believe it has medicinal purposes, that's why it was invented. With most things government, it turns people into liars, whether it be taxes, speeding, handicap parking, water flow restrictor taken out of the shower head, most things government

Sarkazein said...

POV wrote-"Does this apply to those that have lost a spouse, child, job, income, home, friend, limb, health, lover, customer, rating, political office, tooth, nerve, courage?"


If Obama went through all those things, he wouldn't have known it, he was too wasted. But outside of that, the pill was made to relieve debilitating physical pain, and it is addicting. Cocaine and marijuana when used recreationally, is either for fun, or to escape the realities of life that are better dealt with straight... ask anybody trying to stop because it has ruined their life.

Sarkazein said...

Mike D wrote-" Your portrayal of one as no big deal and the other as some terrible thing is absolutely false."


Wasn't my point, I am a BIG believer in the term intent. I do realize an addiction to a powerful pain killer is a big deal, but the intent was to relieve pain.
The intent of snorting a couple of lines of coke, is to feel euphoric.

Reader said...

Sark, I agree and will add...a man laying rock or doing any kind of physical work has my sympathy. I've seen so many men turn to the bottle and that causes many more problems than a pill would ever cause. I've also spoken with many crack/cocaine/acid drug addicts and they always say it's for fun, especially the first time...then usually turns into a nightmare.

Marijuana has never bothered me one way or the other. I've never seen anyone kill another person by smoking it...or eating it for that matter.

Liberal POV said...

Sark, Reader, Mike or HD

Are the durg laws worst than the addictions?

How would each of you suggest frforming current drug laws?

I don't think I disagree with any recent comments other thae the petty little jabs made by Sark at Obama.
I'll let those pass.

Mike D. said...

Holy cow,

Civil discourse.

:)

Sarkazein said...

See, even just discussing marijuana makes everyone peaceful.

Honest Debate said...

The discussion has turned to drugs, why? Because LiberalPOV, the tolerant liberal, can't resist taking a cheap shot. I was listening the day Rush announced his addiction. I listened before that as well, so I know that Rush never was an anti-drug crusader. I have heard Rush talk candidly in detail about his addiction and how much rehab helped him personally. I've never heard him make excuses. My view is, God bless him for beating it, sticking with it and talking about it.

As soon as I saw lib's post I had the same thought as Sark. I'll bet Obama's done more drugs in his life than Rush has even seen. If Obama got the monkey off his back and went on to become President...awesome.

Honest Debate said...

Sark,

You really bottom lined it well, and I agree. Most of the activist advocating medical marijuana are pot heads looking for less hassle. Pot can be such a drag to cop, carry, share, not share, hide, sneak and choose when to use that a bogus prescription sounds like...groovy.

If it is to be let it be decided on the merits of liberty.

That was heavy...man.

Sarkazein said...

H.D- The question IS did Obama get the monkey off his back.

Honest Debate said...

Gotta think so Sark. He does still like beer with racist cops though.

Speaking of drunks, remember the Max Baucus video/thread? No criticisms from LiberalPOV on that one.

Liberal POV said...

HD

I can't see an image of Rush and not think about addiction. Rush's addiction, his groupie's addiction to fear, sensationalism and hate.

Rush is a gifted snake oil salesman smilar to the traveling medicine man shows but Rush is selling fear and hate.

Honest Debate said...

Lib,

If I may, I'd recommend you stick to your ostrich theory concerning Rush. You aren't capable of that level of discourse. Continue to hold your uninformed view while you continue not to listen. DO NOT LISTEN, your head might explode and we don't want anyone getting hurt.

Honest Debate said...

Mike D.,

You made a statement: "Opiates are not pain medication!!!". Three exclamation points, wow!!!

I'm not a doctor but that turnes what I do know of opiates on it's head. It is my understanding that opiates are the ultimate pain relievers. I have a good friend with spondylosis, he has chronic severe pain. Opiates help him greatly although he does them only when he absolutely has too. There is a device that can be surgically implanted that dispenses opiates whenever the patient chooses. I've had experience with cancer in my family. The synthetic opiate dilaudid is a mainstay for cancer patients to deal with pain.

Am I wrong on this?

Honest Debate said...

When I was a teething kid my mom would rub paragoric on my gums to ease the pain. Back then you could buy the opiate over the counter.

Also, is codeine an opiate?

guy faulkes said...

I like the idea of eliminating drug laws and giving "hard" drugs away for free. The only stipulation is that you have to consume the drugs at the site where they are obtained. You can take as much as you want, as many times as you want. If you OD, they do not try to save you. They put your body in a dumpster and take it to an incinerator. This program would be done in conjunction with a massive add campaign that promotes what a pathetic looser recreational drug users are.

This policy would do two things. It would take the profit out of dealing drugs. This would lower the crime rate. It is also NOT a death sentence for drug users that control themselves as to their intake.

As far as being hooked on prescription drugs is concerned, this is not an uncommon occurrence, especially when in a hospital. I can see giving people assistance in breaking the habit because of this condition. They did not become addicts solely for recreational "feel good" purposes.

POV, what is your opinion of the drug habit of Micheal Jackson? Did you hold him in the same contempt as you do Rush? What about Obama's admission he used drugs? What do you think?

Sarkazein said...

POV wrote:"I can't see an image of Rush and not think about addiction."


I can appreciate what POV is writing here. I am the same way. The only difference is OBAMA has his finger on the button and Rush is just holding a mic.

Reader said...

I'm all for helping people get off drugs if possible. Everyone's pain tolerance is different. I've watched people dying with cancer who consume just a little morphine and others who need a lot more. I don't like seeing anyone or any animal suffer, even liberals. Yes Lib, I have compassion.

Liberal POV said...

Guy


"POV, what is your opinion of the drug habit of Michael Jackson?"

He ( Jackson )doesn't have one any more.

"Did you hold him in the same contempt as you do Rush?"

I was never much of a Michael Jackson fan but to answer your question honestly I hold few people in the same contempt as I do Rush.

Rush is a miserable man who will one day take his own life.

Rush has a gift in his voice and ability to market which has made him extremely wealthy but this sorry human being has used that gift to beat down those already down and support the most powerful and wealthy forces on earth against the weakest in our society.
What about Obama's admission he used drugs?
It's today's world Bush admitted Cocaine also.

Guy:
"I like the idea of eliminating drug laws and giving "hard" drugs away for free. The only stipulation is that you have to consume the drugs at the site where they are obtained. You can take as much as you want, as many times as you want. If you OD, they do not try to save you. They put your body in a dumpster and take it to an incinerator. This program would be done in conjunction with a massive add campaign that promotes what a pathetic looser recreational drug users are.

This policy would do two things. It would take the profit out of dealing drugs. This would lower the crime rate. It is also NOT a death sentence for drug users that control themselves as to their intake."

The above is one of your few good ideas with minor changes I could argee with.

Let these people kill themselves with all the drugs they want, but we can give them a decent burial.

Prisons and the legal system has not worked.
Drugs are the single worst thing I have seen in my life time.

What is it about our society that creates such ademand for drugs?

Sarkazein said...

POV lied-"It's today's world Bush admitted Cocaine also."


You lie!

Sarkazein said...

POV- No Sociology classes in college? Ancient Greece and Rome history, "the juice" nothing?


"What is it about our society that creates such ademand for drugs?" POV

Just knowing you are wanting to blame it on the US and capitalism.

Mike D. said...

HD,

Yes, codeine is an opiate, and it is a natural derivative of opium, as is morphine. There are synthetic versions as well, like hydrocodone and oxycodone, but they all do the same thing.

In my opinion, they are not pain relievers. They are euphoria inducers. I do not feel that opiates should be considered analgesics, as they make one feel good, not less bad.

To my way of thinking, a drug which inhibits re-uptake of serotonin and norepinephrine, like codeine, ought to be classified with other drugs which change an individual's reality by interfering with neurotransmitters and neuroinhibitors on a molecular level within the nerve synapse. Other drugs which change reality in this manner include psilocybin (shrooms), and lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD or 'acid').

Just because opiates are legally prescribed doesn't change the fact that they are very serious drugs, and very similar to hallucinogens in terms of where and how they work.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

My mistake Bush never admitted using cocaine but he never denied using cocaine.

Sarkazein said...

Mike D- I have been prescribed codeine based pain killers before like hydrocodone and oxycodone. I don't remember feeling any kind of euphoria, just pain relief. That's just me. I also have never emptied a bottle, and usually end up throwing out a mostly full bottle with a 3 year old date. Once in the military, I had morphine, euphoria and didn't care about the reason I got it.

Sarkazein said...

POV wrote-
"Guy

My mistake Bush never admitted using cocaine but he never denied using cocaine."


No, you lied.

Mike D. said...

"Once in the military, I had morphine, euphoria and didn't care about the reason I got it." - Sarkazein

That's exactly my point. Opiates are not drugs that ease pain. They are drugs that alter your state of consciousness such that pain is no longer relevant in your mind.

Rush Limbaugh was not dependent upon a compound which relieved his pain. He was addicted to an altered state of consciousness, provided by a drug which affected the chemical balance of neurotransmitters in the synapses of the nerve cells in his brain.

Obama used drugs recreationally, as did Bush and Clinton, and perhaps some of us. Rush was an addict, officially.

Sarkazein said...

Mike D.- Yet, I know you see the difference.

Sarkazein said...

Mike D wrote- " Opiates are not drugs that ease pain. They are drugs that alter your state of consciousness such that pain is no longer relevant in your mind."


Thus easing your consciousness of the pain.

Honest Debate said...

Mike D.,

I think we're splitting hairs here. Either that or we're talking about two different things. I also sense that you are attempting to make a broader point that I am missing.

In admittedly layman's terms, I don't see a difference in a pain reliever and an euphoria inducer. As I understand Sark's experience and others, the opiate does the neuroblock thing to make the pain irrelevant. If there is no pain then the result is, for lack of a better term, euphoria. This is why chronically pained people can function perfectly well in society on opiates. I understand over medication and tolerance as being separate issues.

I have to disagree with your comparison between opiates and hallucinogens. You seem knowledgeable about how they work so I accept that but the results are different. It must be a matter of degree. If I'm not mistaken, pot is classified as an hallucinogen as is LSD but they could not be more different. I have seen many people go to work and function quite well on opiates. That is not possible on LSD or "shrooms". There's a huge difference between Tylenol 3 and black tar opium so I get your point.

My deal is that drugs are remarkable and dangerous. They can change lives dramatically both good and bad. As to Rush, let's sharpen that point I'm missing. The criticism of Rush comes from those that will always find or make up an excuse to do so. LiberalPOV is one who has demonstrated that here. So, there's that. No one said that opiates were analogous to analgesics or no big deal. The point we seem to be dancing aroud is, what kind of moral judgment can we make about Rush. The implication being he and those that don't want to hang him are all, at the very least, hypocrites.

I'd rather not go there regarding Rush. The "difference" referred to lies in why we make these moral judgments. That goes deeper than why people do drugs, it goes into what kind of people they are. Circumstances will dictate temptations. Gluttony is fun yet unfulfilling. The self-delusion that one can find fulfillment in drugs is easy and shallow. If you get high enough you can ignore it but pretty soon you realize you're hiding. It's what you do next that determines the "difference".

Sarkazein said...

H.D- I think we are splitting hairs. I'm just thinking , if my son told me he was taking hydrocodone for pain, it would be better than him telling me he was taking a hit of acid and going to see Avatar. Then he says the movie got him so excited he took a Seconol to calm down, but it made him fall asleep and someone stole all his marijuana.

Honest Debate said...

Sark,

I can see that.

Liberal POV said...

Rush Groupies

Can we agree those under the influence of any type of drugs have a less than rational though process and make poor decisions.

Those under the influence of drugs become excited, aggetated and tend to have an altered state of reality as we see in Rush.

Just summerizing the commens all of you have made.

Sarkazein said...

POV Asked- "Can we agree those under the influence of any type of drugs have a less than rational though process and make poor decisions." (?)

No

Sarkazein said...

OOV wrote-"Those under the influence of drugs become excited, aggetated and tend to have an altered state of reality as we see in Rush."


You mean Obama. And who are these "WE" people?

Sarkazein said...

Should read POV wrote

guy faulkes said...

Does anyone other than me find it humorous that POV disparages Rush will all his might and lets Michael Moore tell him what to think?

Liberal POV said...

Rush Groupies

Answer the questions.

Do drugs change a persons perception of reality?

Does drug use lead to poor judgement?

Does a person under he influence of drugs often become overly stimulated of agitated?

Does Rush ever exhibit any of those traits?

Please look at the video once again.

You decide. Does Rush look like a junkie?

Sarkazein said...

POV asked-"You decide. Does Rush look like a junkie?"


No, but you write like one.

guy faulkes said...

Sark, once again I must disagree with you. Most junkies are more coherent than POV.

As long as POV brought up the subject of how personalities look, do you think Rush or Michael Moore looks more like the stereotype of the person that emerges from his apartment in his mother's basement in a Star Trek uniform while drooling "Live Long and Prosper"?

By the way, Star Trek was better than Star Wars, but not nearly as good as Firefly.

Sarkazein said...

GUY-

Except that Michael Moore looks like he ate his family.


POV shows he's never seen junkies before, if he thinks they dance like Rush did.

Liberal POV said...

Sark and Guy

I always know when you have lost the debate.

1: You become spelling and grammar instructors

2: You began personal attracts

I didn't think you would be able to answer the questions.

Do drugs change a persons perception of reality?

Does drug use lead to poor judgement?

Does a person under he influence of drugs often become overly stimulated of agitated?

Does Rush ever exhibit any of those traits?

Please look at the video once again.

You decide. Does Rush look like a junkie?

February 8, 2010 3:00 PM

Reader said...

I'll answer them from my point of view Lib.

Do drugs change a persons perception of reality?

A: Depends on what kind of drugs a person is using. Pain medication such as tylenol 3 or oxycotin, NO. Morphine dispensed in a hospital, maybe depending on the person's pain tolerance.

Does drug use lead to poor judgement?

B: Some could such as coke or crank and mary jane if inhaled in large doses. Again, pain meds, I'd say no but depending how how much you take. I know when I have had a toothache and took a pain medication, I don't recall anyone saying "you have poor judgement".

Does a person under he influence of drugs often become overly stimulated of agitated?

C: Sometimes, depending on their tolerance.

Does Rush ever exhibit any of those traits?

D: No, he's just an overly hyper man. By the way Lib, he gets on my nerves by being so hyper. I often wonder if he needs a little valium to calm him.

You think we are all saying that pain med addiction is okay. It's not okay. We're saying there is a difference between taking something for pain and taking drugs to get high for the fun of it. I don't know if he was trying to get high or just needed a stronger dose to get rid of his pain. Do you know why he was taking more and if you do, tell me?
Also, is he still an addict or did he get help? If he has received help, then get off his case, if not...go get him Lib.

Don't liberals say "if it feels good, do it"? And that goes for anything.

Got anything new to post HD?

guy faulkes said...

Pardon me POV, your questions were so ridiculous that I thought you were being rhetorical. I guess that concept is beyond you. I will answer them.

Do drugs change a persons perception of reality? Yes, that is why so many (liberals in particular) use drugs to escape the reality that they cannot handle. I am serious when I say that I have wondered if you do so.

Does drug use lead to poor judgment? Certainly, if taken under other than medical reasons and possibly even then. Again I have wondered if this would explain some of your posts.

Does a person under the influence of drugs often become overly stimulated of agitated? Certainly. This is one reason I have wondered about your drug use.

Does Rush ever exhibit any of those traits? I do not recall Rush ever exhibiting any of these traits. He is passionate about his beliefs and those that do not agree with him might think this if they have consumed enough liberal Kool Aid.

Please look at the video once again.

You decide. Does Rush look like a junkie? No, he looks like someone dancing and doing so very well. Why do you think he should not be allowed to have a good time? Is your attack on his dancing ability due to your often exhibited racial bias? Do you think the other judges were on drugs or were they poor dancers so you overlooked them?

Now, please answer the question about Rush and Michale Moore in regard to the Star Trek fan stereotyping issue. After all, you brought up the issue of Rush appearing to look like something something objectionable. I merely expounded on it. I did not expect an answer, because that question was rhetorical. However, I would now like one as you do not understand that concept and thought it was an attack.

Liberal POV said...

Guy and reader

Drug addiction by Americans maybe our biggest problem as a society and I won't make a distinction between those manufactured in legal labs and those manufactured or grown illegal. Oxycontin is the single worst problem facing places like eastern Ky.
One oxycontin pill is often traded for a quick sex act.
The courts are full, the jails are full and the bank accounts are empty.

The legal manufacture of these pills know how much is being sold to the poor mostly white population of Appalachia.
Rush is addicted to the same product but money is not a problem for Rush as it is those in rural America.
This issue and many more like it need to be on your agenda not silly petty non issues.

The big question to be ask is why? Why is the American public in so much pain physically or stress that this level of medication is desired?

All of those addicted knew the destruction drugs will do to a person's life and did it anyway.

Reader's Myth:

"Don't liberals say "if it feels good, do it"? And that goes for anything."

The drug problem seem to cut equally across political lines if anything there maybe more on the right. I'm not wanting to pick a fight on which side uses more drugs.

Sarkazein said...

POV- You've heard of glue and aerosol paint cans.They are also products made by the evil corporations. Homemade corn liquor, quite mind altering.
You are blaming the paint can manufacturer, the moonshiner, Elmer for peoples choices.
Typical liberalism.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

The big question to be ask is why? Why is the American public in so much pain physically or stress that this level of medication is desired?


The problem with people like you is you're so concerned about petty politics you can't see the problems we all face.

How can you be a force for solving the problems facing all of America?

You can't lead and you won't help could you just get out of the way.

Honest Debate said...

"Why is the American public in so much pain physically or stress that this level of medication is desired?" -LiberalPOV

What's the opposite of rose colored glasses?

Sarkazein said...

POV asked-"The big question to be ask is why? Why is the American public in so much pain physically or stress that this level of medication is desired?"


You have to get over your blame America first mindset. The percentage is probably not much different than other semi-socialist countries.

Honest Debate said...

Sark,

What kind of world does lib see? It's his own.

In his world there are no deadbeats only victims.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

"You have to get over your blame America first mindset. The percentage is probably not much different than other semi-socialist countries.


ChecK it out. Use the google tool.

What country has more of it's citizens in prison?

What Country has a higher addiction rate?

What Developed Nation has more citizens without health care?

Liberal POV said...

HD

"What's the opposite of rose colored glasses?"

I'm just not wearing blinders as you and Sark.

Liberal POV said...

HD ( Honest Debate???)

You see no problems with America's Drug addiction problem? You see no problem with number of Americans in Prison?

You see no problem with number of Americans who can't pass a drug test for employment?
You see no problems with drug related crime?

Why is this so bad in the United States?

Sarkazein said...

POV- Since, as usual, you are making a statement and not asking a question, you answer it.


Why is this so bad in the United States?-POV

Sarkazein said...

Oh yeah, don't forget the part about Bush and Cheney, and evil corporations.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

Once again you choose pettiness and silly over the hard questions.

This is exactly why people like you should NEVER gain political power.

Sarkazein said...

And your answer is:


Sark

Once again you choose pettiness and silly over the hard questions.

This is exactly why people like you should NEVER gain political power.

Liberal POV said...

HD and Guy

Sark ran from these questions will either of you give honest answers to the following question.

This should not be petty politics as the problems affect all Americans an is not confined to either party.

The only thing I'm going after Conservatives for is deverting attention from these important issues for silliness.

ChecK it out. Use the google tool.

What country has more of it's citizens in prison?

What Country has a higher addiction rate?

What Developed Nation has more citizens without health care?

Honest Debate said...

Ahh, "blinders". Thanks lib.

guy faulkes said...

POV, when you answer the Michael Moore question, I will answer yours.

Liberal POV said...

Petty people

Below is proof the Republicans and Fox audience has no plan, no ideas, no vision and no understanding of the problems facing our society.

Serious questions were ask as to why the US population has such an addiction to drugs?

Why do we have so many citizens behind bars?

Why do we have so many without health care?

The answers that come back are posted here:

"What's the opposite of rose colored glasses?"

"POV, when you answer the Michael Moore question, I will answer yours."

"Ahh, "Blinders". Thanks lib."

This turned to an attack on me for asking an unpatriotic question.

Sarkazein said...

Petty people, Rush Groupies,his groupie's addiction to fear, sensationalism and hate, Rush Groupies (2),Rush Groupies (3), Reader's Myth:, the problem with people like you is you're so concerned about petty politics...,
I'm just not wearing blinders as you and Sark., ( Honest Debate???),Petty people, This is exactly why people like you...

POV, just in case you missed your words.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

You and and others here get grumpy when reality, facts and data don't match what you think you know.

You and the know nothing have cause the problems we are all in today.

You have no ideas, no plans, you won't help and you won't get out of the way of those trying to clean up the Republican mess.

Sarkazein said...

POV-

THIS link shows a chart of how long each party has been in power since 1945.
As Congress makes the laws and spends the money, notice out of 68 of the boxes in the chart, only 17 show Republicans in the majority. Along with that, notice the last couple of years the Democrats have controlled Congress and the recent downturn is during the time the Democrats regained a majority.
The blame the Republicans is not selling for Obama (see the polls), and it ain't selling for you. The truly sad thing is Obama wants the Left to continue what's not working.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

These tell the story of Republican never learn from a mistake.The Clinton years look very good as will the Obama years once he gets the train wreck( Caused by the Republicans ) back on the tracks.

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/thefederalbudget/ig/Political-Economic-Measures/Debt-GDP-by-President.htm


http://uspolitics.about.com/od/thefederalbudget/ig/Political-Economic-Measures/Presidential-Comparison.htm

http://uspolitics.about.com/od/thefederalbudget/ig/Political-Economic-Measures/Historical-Unemployment-Rate.htm

Sarkazein said...

POV-

CONGRESS, as in legislates and spends.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

How about that unnecessary war in Iraq?
Did most Republicans in congress voteyes on TARP under Bush?

For the record after Bush wrecked the economy there was little choice but the tarp to avoid a complete colapases of the world's economy.

guy faulkes said...

POV

Why do we have so many citizens behind bars? It is hard to determine exactly how many of our citizens we have behind bars. Many prisons hold a huge amount (sometimes a majority) of illegal aliens. Give me a link that lets me see the correct demographics, and I will answer you. As far as the question is concerned, very few of our citizens are behind bars as felons are de facto not citizens. They have lost their rights. Many people in prison are there because the liberal entitlement programs have conditioned them to living without working. If they are not given something, they feel it acceptable to take it.

Why do we have so many without health care? First of all everyone has health care. Not everyone has health insurance. If you go to an emergency room, you have to be treated. If you want to debate the insurance issue, reread the hundreds of posts on the issue in which people tired to teach you about it.

What Country has a higher addiction rate? What country has the liberal entitlement programs that encourage deviant behavior?

What Developed Nation has more citizens without health care? All of them. You have to be treated at an emergency room in this country. Everyone has health care. You are talking about insurance, which is a different subject. Some people do not want it although they can afford it. Some could get it from present programs and choose not to. Some people think that they do not need it because they are treated whether they have it or not.

How about that unnecessary war in Iraq? There has been no unnecessary war in Iraq.

Did most Republicans in congress vote yes on TARP under Bush? Many did, I do not know about most. This was one reason the tea parties were nonpartisan. We are tired of big government proponents, no matter the party to which they belong.

Now it is time for you to answer some questions.

What about Michale Moore?

What is your opinion of the other judges that were dancing on the video? Were they junkies?

Sark, it is futile to argue facts with POV. He has a religious belief in the talking points his masters give him. You are never going to be able to get him to stop putting his fingers in his ears, shutting his eyes, and chanting La La La La La as loud as he can when confronted with facts.

Sarkazein said...

Guy wrote-"Many people in prison are there because the liberal entitlement programs have conditioned them to living without working. If they are not given something, they feel it acceptable to take it."


There lies the problem. Lost individual responsibility and shame.