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Monday, March 22, 2010

Democrats and Americans

There is no such thing as a "Moderate Democrat". There are just Democrats and Americans. Some pundits, such as Sean Hannity and Dick Morris, warned Bart Stupak was a fraud. They were right. Obama's promise to issue an executive order to remove the abortion language is a big lie. It's cover for Stupak's clan and nothing else. Mike Pence said it well, "Only in Washington D.C. could you exchange the pro-life protections enshrined in the law for thirty years for a piece of paper signed by the most pro-abortion President in American history." Once the President signs the bill it's the law of the land. An executive order cannot trump law. If it could then why have a legislature? Obama knows this. Stupak and his clan know it as well. It's a sham. It's a shame.


37 comments:

Liberal POV said...

HD

Welcome back your extremism was not missed the others covered for you very well.

"There are just Democrats and Americans."

Wow! No extremism here!

Lets play, Define Americans as the Tea Bagger Mob...fantasizes them to be?

What happens when the Tea Bag Mob learns they are just a mob with less than 10% of the general public?

"There are just Democrats and Americans."

What will you assholes say to the tens of thousands of Democratic soldiers, widows of Democratic soldiers, children of Democratic soldiers, mothers of fallen an wounded Democratic soldiers.
This posted by you Honest Debater a Republican Chicken Hawk.

How dumb and extreme can you people get?

Honest Debate said...

I'm not a registered Republican, I'm an unaffiliated American.

Liberal POV said...

HD

Does that justify your post?

"There are just Democrats and Americans."

Honest Debate said...

"Does that justify your post?" -LiberalPOV

It does today.

guy faulkes said...

We could never equal your support for terrorists, pedophiles, and traitors if we tried, Liberalproverbs18:2.

The last time I checked, the Tea Party movement represented about 55% of the citizens of this country. By the election, it may be 70%.

However, i do agree that it is not valid to indicate there are only Democrats and Americans. There are many conservative grass roots Democrats. Unfortunately those that express their opinions are ostracized by the remainder of the party. Take comments made on Watauga Watch for example. There were cries to throw those Democrats that did not support the incumbent Boone Town Council out of the party. I cannot understand why they remain Democrats other than as a family tradition.

Honest Debate said...

Guy you wrote: "However, i do agree that it is not valid to indicate there are only Democrats and Americans."

I admit to being purposely provocative but as I indicated to Lib, I think it is valid today. The fight was indeed between Democrats and Americans. The Republicans just happened to side with America. Will you give me that?

My main point is to out the lie about "moderate Democrats" such as Bart Stupak. Obama even claimed to be a moderate.

Liberal POV said...

HD

Define Americans as the Tea Bagger Mob...fantasizes them to be?

Honest Debate said...

Can anyone translate Lib's last post for me? Is it a question, a statement or just gibberish?

Liberal POV said...

HD

Define what you as part of the Tea Bag Mob consider to be a Real American?

Honest Debate said...

I don't accept the premise of a tea*#g mob so I'll answer this way. Anyone that voted for this bill did not have America's values or best interest at heart.

Liberal POV said...

HD

"I don't accept the premise of a tea*#g mob so I'll answer this way."

Don't you think this looks like a mob?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfvnNzgQy7Q

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV:

How do you continue to support Pedophiles? ACORN sought to support child prostitution, so what do you say about that mob? LOL!!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

guy faulkes said...

The thing I cannot understand about BOB is that if he really was a nuclear engineer that holds a doctorate, why did he not have a policy that would have covered his health care? He certainly was not impoverished, if this is true. Could it be that he made his own decision about health care insurance and had to live with the consequences when he chose not to purchase it? Also, did he not say that he was treated? It may be that these people took exception to his duplicity. If so, while they was neither nice nor politically correct, their actions were understandable.

Good point about aliberalproverbs18:2's pedophile friends, Rico.

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

What you think you know just ain't so.

"How do you continue to support Pedophiles? ACORN sought to support child prostitution, so what do you say about that mob? LOL!!"

The truth is it was a young Conservative named James O'Keele who said in his video he wanted to open a whorehouse. We don't know what the women working at the Acorn office to support their families were ask by Mr O'Keele as he had edited the video to misrepresent ACORN.
Mr O'Keele is now under under house arrest waiting trial on another charge.
James O'Keele is another face of today's dishonest Republican Party and Fox Media.

Thank you for continuing to allow me to correct this wide spread lie.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Often people lose their jobs then with the stress their health. This is a strong argument to disconnect health care from employment. ( Universal Health care for all )

The man with Parkinson's Disease being attacked by the Tea Bag Mob could have lost his health then his job and with his job his health care coverage.

It was reality that so angered the mob, their myths no longer worked.
I see that same anger with you posters here daily as I try to inject reality into your blog of Propaganda, fiction, myths, bigotry, and out right lies.

guy fauleks said...

The man in the video could hav lost his job and then his insurance. However, he had the option of getting private insurance by not purchasing other things as did I. He also could have been hit by a meteor. What angered the mob was his hypocrisy.

O'Keefe did a sting operation in which ACORN agreed to help him break the law in the establishment of underage houses of prostitution. Even if he might or might not be guilty, they certainly are guilty. This is indisputable. By supporting them, you are supporting pedophiles.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

"O'Keefe did a sting operation in which ACORN agreed to help him break the law in the establishment of underage houses of prostitution. "

The courts that saw the unedited video did not agree with you on this matter and found the ACORN employees did nothing wrong.

Guy have you seen the unedited Video? If How do you know so much?

Honest Debate said...

Lib,

Get off the tea party, ACORN and Bob. Having Parkinsons doesn't make him a saint without an agenda. Do you really want to gripe about editing when you didn't even link to the actual video of the incident. It's 48 seconds of a couple of jerks who probably got punched in the nose right after the video ends. Your projections further prove you to be an ignorant, thread hijacking piece of crap.

This is about a President destroying America and the fight to save it. Obama is a lying, cheating radical. Freedom and American exeptionalism are under assault from without and now from within. The Democrats are the mortal enemy. Bi-partisanship be damned. Torpedo the bastards.

Liberal POV said...

HD

Tell If you want to return to a period in history with strict capitalism like that of the late 1800 during the industrial revolution, the time of Dickens.

Does the Republican party want to return to strict capitalism of the early days of the industrial revolution, without unions, child labor laws, worker safety, working sixty hours a week without over time, no health insurance, no vacation, no sick leave, low wages?
Real third world poverty in Appalachia, no school buses?

We have conservatives posting here who want the government out of everything. That would include public education, Some go as far as the say we need for profit police, Fire Departments, EMS and military.

We already have for profit prison some owned by the face of the Republican Party Dick Cheney.

We hear a lot about Socialism and the values of Capitalism but on different post I've tried to get a debate going on these topics to see if the misinformed Fox News audience really knows what socialism is? Do they consider Canada, France, UK or Israel socialist?

What we have today is a mob of conservatives with no plan, little or no understanding of problems facing those outside the gated communities but a great campaign to get people living poor to vote rich.
The dumbing of the religious right with super simple emotional and hyped issues of Guns, God, Gays and Fear. Great example of such nonsense is the Death Panel insanity. How can you people be fooled by something so outrageous and dumb?
These rich CEOs and political strategist are playing you as fools to get you to vote against your own family and well being by talking about abortion, or guns or gays.

What's your plan? Who's your leader?

Anonymous said...

Wow. I woke up this morning and the sky hadn't fallen yet.

Can someone please check with Boehner or HD to see exactly when that's supposed to happen, please?

Liberal POV said...

HD



Does the Republican party want to return to strict capitalism of the early days of the industrial revolution, without unions, child labor laws, worker safety, working sixty hours a week without over time, no health insurance, no vacation, no sick leave, low wages?
Real third world poverty in Appalachia, no school buses?

No social justice, No consumer protection, No banking regulation?

No Medicare , No Social Security, No Medicaid, No Food Stamp program?


We have Conservatives posting here who want the government out of everything. That would include public education, Some go as far as the say we need for profit police, Fire Departments, EMS and military.

We already have for profit prisons some owned by the face of the Republican Party Dick Cheney.

We hear a lot about Socialism and the values of Capitalism but on different post I've tried to get a debate going on these topics to see if the misinformed Fox News audience really knows what socialism is? Do they consider Canada, France, UK or Israel socialist?

What we have today is a mob of conservatives with no plan, little or no understanding of problems facing those outside the gated communities but a great campaign to get people living poor to vote rich.
The dumbing of the religious right with super simple emotional and hyped issues of Guns, God, Gays and Fear. Great example of such nonsense is the Death Panel insanity. How can you people be fooled by something so outrageous and dumb?
These rich CEOs and political strategist are playing you as fools to get you to vote against your own family and well being by talking about abortion, or guns or gays.

What do you call socialism?

What's your plan and who's your leader?

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"The courts that saw the unedited video did not agree with you on this matter and found the ACORN employees did nothing wrong."

Might these be the same stacked and corrupted courts who saw nothing wrong with Black Panther Muslims intimidating voters outside a Philly voting center? You see, ACORN was guilty of advocating for underage prostitution which is the same as pedophilia. Since you seem to support ACORN as the victim (not the children), then you are a Pedophile. I think this is even worse than you spitting on returning Vietnam War Vets and then saying you didn't. LOL

That Stings!!!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

" I think this is even worse than you spitting on returning Vietnam War Vets and then saying you didn't"

You never found a news story from the Vietnam era or a photograph of anyone spitting on returning soldiers did you? Try a Chuck Norris movie I believe you may find it in fiction.

What Fox Media and hate radio groupies think they know just ain't so. They ( Wall Street Con Artist ) play you for fools using religion, guns and hate.

They trick you into voting away you children's future over phoney issues.
Just like in the" Wizard of OZ" there's a man behind the curtain.

guy faulkes said...

Liberalproverbs18;2, your concern about child labor laws appears to be in conflict with your support for underage prostitution.

As a matter of fact, it is not unusual for me to work 60 hours a week n or is it for anyone that is self employed. You would realize this if you had owned your own company as you once claimed. But then again, you claim to have insurance from the company you retied from. Did you retire from the company you owned? Why do I have trouble believing that? For people with the drive to succeed, a sixty hour work week is not unusual. I can see where the thought of it might disress a twenty something entitlement baby such as you.

If you do not wish to work for a company that does not pay sick leave, vacations, etc. then do not. According to you, these menial jobs will be taken by undocumented workers (criminal illegal aliens).

Do you think posting the same drivel over and over makes it more believable? This is interesting as you have not been able to satisfactorily explain your support of pedophilia and so ignore it.

Sarkazein said...

Sorry if someone has already seen this, BUT remember the denials and the whining about conservatives calling Obama a socialist during the election. Remember one obnoxious commenter writing that we don't know what a socialist or a communist is. We should read more to find out the definitions, because he had learned about it in college, and he knew.
Obama is a socialist

Sarkazein said...

A'mous wrote-"Wow. I woke up this morning and the sky hadn't fallen yet."

Notice A'mous's time to rise is after 3:00PM. He gets up at the crack of noon, goes out to see if his welfare and SSI check have come in the mail yet, goes to the library to use a computer, then goes back to his parent's basement and crawls back in bed waiting to be called to dinner.

Liberal POV said...

GOP ( Grumpy Old People) Conservatives, Tea Bag Mob

Will Ms Foxx go on TV to explain she wants all elements of Socialism gone?

Am I clear with what the Conservatives here are saying?

You want a return to strict Capitalism turning the clocks back to 1900?

You will abolish Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Consumer protections, FDA, Grants for higher education, Loans for higher education, Disaster relief, Auto safetey, band unions and we can look forward to a new era of Robber Barrans with a very few very rich families and no middle class?

You will allow another socialist program like the GI Bill or Head Start?

Will you try to bring back a debtor's prison?

Honest Debate said...

Nonny,

Funny, when I woke up this morning the sky had fallen. I guess it's a matter of perspective. The dastardly plan is set up so that nothing really bad will happen until after 2012 although your sky is likely to fall in November. As lawsuits ensue America will become further divided. Taxes will rise as will premiums. More jobs will be lost, especially doctors. Life will be rationed. The IRS will be harassing at a record level. The debt will exponentially spiral out of control. The government will now tell women (and men) what they can and can't do with their bodies. After 10 years the fun starts. The numbers were cooked so the 10 year CBO projection would look better. Years 11-20 are awful. Freedom will be lost. Our exceptionalism will wane. The world will no longer have a moral rudder just another socialist nation.

There's lots of talk on this blog about the Republicans returning to their conservative roots and I share that hope. It would also be nice if the Democrats would return to their roots. Guy Faulkes correctly wrote, "There are many conservative grass roots Democrats". They are unwelcome in today's Democrat Party but they are still America-loving patriots. I still maintain it's the Democrats on one side and Americans on the other.

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"The courts that saw the unedited video did not agree with you on this matter and found the ACORN employees did nothing wrong."

And then I countered your inane perception with - "Might these be the same stacked and corrupted courts who saw nothing wrong with Black Panther Muslims intimidating voters outside a Philly voting center?"

Well, is it? Your baseless arguements have once again been beaten. LOL!!!

ACORN was guilty of advocating for underage prostitution which is the same as pedophilia. Since you seem to support ACORN as the victim (not the children), then you are a Pedophile. I think this is even worse than you spitting on returning Vietnam War Vets and then saying you didn't. What do you think is worse - your pedophilia or your spitting on real Americans? LOL

That Stings!!!

Billy

Johnny Rico

bridle said...

"There are just Democrats and Americans.

Shame on you.

Honest Debate said...

It's sad what's happened to your party Bridle. Today's Democrat Party is the enemy of American values.

Sarkazein said...

POV wrote:"Will you try to bring back a debtor's prison?"


The IRS will fine you if you refuse to carry government approved health insurance. If you refuse/cannot pay the IRS failure to comply fine, GUESS WHERE YOU GO NUMBNUTS!

Liberal POV said...

Sark


"The IRS will fine you if you refuse to carry government approved health insurance. If you refuse/cannot pay the IRS failure to comply fine, GUESS WHERE YOU GO NUMBNUTS!"

Reality Below:
"Poor adults will get Medicaid. Low-income families will get federal subsidies to buy insurance. Small businesses will get tax credits. Children will be able to stay on parents' policies until they turn 26. Seniors will gain additional prescription-drug coverage. People with medical conditions will gain peace of mind because insurers have to cover them."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-03-22-health-you_N.htm
http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/03/how_health_care_reform_bill_wi.html

http://media.www.thespartandaily.com/media/storage/paper852/news/2010/03/23/News/Health.Care.Bill.Could.Boost.Grant.And.Financial.Aid.For.Students-3893013.shtml

guy faulkes said...

However, if you choose not to let the government mandate what you purchase, i.e. health insurance, they will put you in prison. The politicians have already told us to sit down and shut up by passing this bill over the objections of the majority of the citizens. We are approaching a very dangerous position.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

"However, if you choose not to let the government mandate what you purchase, i.e. health insurance, they will put you in prison. "

What happens to men who choose to no longer participate in a war they don't believe in?

What happens if you don't want to pay taxes to support a war you don't believe in?

What happens if you choose to drink and drive?

What happens if you choose not to educate your children?

Do you support Americans who can afford Health insurance being irresponsible and pushing the burden to others if their family becomes ill?

guy faulkes said...

Liberalproverbs18:2, I can answer all your questions that have nothing to do with the situation with one question that does. Where in the Constitution is the government given the power to make you purchase anything?

The citizens of the United States do not agree with you.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/march_2010/49_support_state_lawsuits_against_health

However, as usual, you are an easy target, so I will answer your questions.

What happens to men who choose to no longer participate in a war they don't believe in? They become conscientious objectors.

What happens if you don't want to pay taxes to support a war you don't believe in? The same thing that happens when you do not pay taxes for any reason.

What happens if you choose to drink and drive? Unfortunately nothing happens usually. Sometimes these miscreants are caught and punished as per the state laws in which they were convicted. As this is a matter for the individual states and not the federal government, your question is even more meaningless than usual.

What happens if you choose not to educate your children? The most likely and frightening prospect is that they grow up to become liberals and want the government to take care of them.

Do you support Americans who can afford Health insurance being irresponsible and pushing the burden to others if their family becomes ill? No. Why did their family members not have insurance if they were working age? If they were children, should social services take them from the parents for child neglect as you say their parents could have afforded insurance? Is tat your next proposal? However, with you, it is necessary to ascertain what you mean by family. Does your niece qualify as family (assuming you did not marry her, as pedophiles are sometimes prone to do)? How would your niece be your responsibility, again assuming she is not your wife?

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

You sure seem to ask a lot of stupid, moronic questions (very befitting of yourself) without answering questions from the truth-thinkers. Why are you unable to answer even a simple (albeit tough) question if you are as smart as you try and portray yourself. The following is an examply of your embryonic stupidity. LOL!!!!

"The courts that saw the unedited video did not agree with you on this matter and found the ACORN employees did nothing wrong."

And then I countered your inane perception with - "Might these be the same stacked and corrupted courts who saw nothing wrong with Black Panther Muslims intimidating voters outside a Philly voting center?"

Well, is it? Your baseless arguements have once again been beaten. LOL!!!

ACORN was guilty of advocating for underage prostitution which is the same as pedophilia. Since you seem to support ACORN as the victim (not the children), then you are a Pedophile. I think this is even worse than you spitting on returning Vietnam War Vets and then saying you didn't. What do you think is worse - your pedophilia or your spitting on real Americans? LOL

Beat that Pedophile!!!!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico