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Saturday, March 13, 2010

Health Care Is Not A Right

Walter Williams is my favorite substitute host for Rush. I loved it when he gave amnesty to "whitey". He weighs in here on the concept of rights. It cannot be a right if it simultaneously infringes on someone elses right.

57 comments:

guy faulkes said...

The interesting thing about Mr. Williams example is that it fails to exhibit two factors.

One is that if Harry went to an emergency room, he would have been treated.

The second is that there are charitable organizations that would aid Harry. People in this country are generous. They just object to being robbed by taxation.

Johnny Rico said...

Health care is not a right unless you are a criminal from another country (illegal alien). Illegal aliens in Watauga County get free health care via doctors at the Health Department. Go into the waiting room on any given day and look at all the illegal aliens sitting there waiting to be treated. And something is wrong with our health care system? This just amounts to politicians trying to gain control over the lives of American citizens.

Johnny Rico

Honest Debate said...

Good point Johnny!

Guy, I think that's what makes Mr. Williams take interesting. He distills it to the nub. I (we) already understand the concept but he puts his finger on the distinction with words.

Liberal POV said...

HD

" To argue that people have a right that imposes obligations on another is an absurd concept. "


Mr Williams makes a very absurd argument as government do this all the time all over the world.

I don't want my tax dollars going to fund a war in Iraq I think is unnecessary.

People that don't have children are required to help fund schools. We all have to pay taxes to fund the highway system even if we believe this money would be better spent on mass transportation.

The governments at all levels imposes obligations to fund police protection, Fire protection and support of governmental institutions.

Health Care is a basic human right and not limited to citizens of a country but to all human being in that country.

If any of you were in Canada, France or Cuba and had a heart attack you would be treated regardless of ability to pay.


Over 45,000 people in America die each year for lack of medical coverage.

Do you have any religion in the world that will support your position?

Wolf's Head said...

Once again, LPOV TOTALLY misses what is going on.

Williams point is that forcing people to provide for others is immoral, and un-Constitutional.

And it applies to other things as well.

Parents are responsible for educating their children. Gov't education is to provide for gov't JOBS, not children's education.

Police and fire protection could be better done by private companies, for cheaper rates and remember: GOV'T POLICE AND FIREMEN ARE NOT REQUIRED TO ASSIST YOU.

I don't care what other countries do about health care as their health care is FAR inferior to ours. See my other posting about the wonders of health care in The Netherlands, where you are killed by their doctors for being old.

ANYONE here can get health care, even if it is at the emergency room.

People die every day. Reduce gov't interference in health care, have tort reform, allow insurance to be sold across state lines and health care costs will come down so more people can afford it without FORCING others to pay for gov't inefficiency and waste.

Liberal POV said...

Wolf

Much of what you post is misinformation and you can not support with facts.

"allow insurance to be sold across state lines and health care costs will come down so more people can afford it without FORCING others to pay for gov't inefficiency and waste."

Allow this and medical cost will not go down but insurance loop holes will go up.

The consumer will loss.

"Police and fire protection could be better done by private companies, for cheaper rates and remember"

This is done in some thrid world countries were the rich own their own police force but no justice for the poor.

Honest Debate said...

Lib,

The Constitution gives authority to fight wars, so that's irrelevant.
Wolf is right, I think you missed the point. The government does provide many things to many people but that does not mean it's a right. We don't have a right to have highways or schools.

Reader said...

Like Williams said, call them wishes instead of rights.

Liberal POV said...

HD, Conservatives Tea Bag Empire

What's the model for your rants?

You want to Federal Government to have the power to take us to war ( Where you Tax dollars are really being spent ) needed or not.

You want no services from the government. No Social Security, No Medicare, No Medicare, No Police, No Fire protection, No Schools, No Food Stamps, Mental Health Programs, No Weapons restrictions.

I'm assuming you will want prisons as there will be a great need.

You want your government to have the right to torture anyone THEY say is a terrorist suspect with no oversight.

What will happen to the communities that most support such nonsense? Communities like Mountain City TN, Lenior, Wilkesboro, Stony Point, Sparta when all of the federal money goes away? Groceries close, schools close, Hospitals close, Nursing Home close, drug stores closeall construction will stop for ever.

Find a ,model in history where such insanity worked?

guy faulkes said...

Liberalproverbs 18:2, you are so idiotically wrong, it is not worth the effort to answer you.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Find a ,model in history where such insanity worked?

guy faulkes said...

This one.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

"This one."

This one being the Tea Bag Empire of Flat Earthers and Know Nothing's plan to take control of the US Government?

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheeple said:

"I'm assuming you will want prisons as there will be a great need."

The reason such a great amount of our population is in prison is because of all the petty, uneeded laws that liberals such as yourself shove down our throat. You have turned the US into a confusing array of laws that folks are bound to violate.

You see, you and the other lemmings are afraid of personal responsibility. Not sure why, but it scares the heck out of you. Therefore, you encourage lawmakers to formulate uneeded laws that make criminals out of otherwise honest folks.

Take gun laws for example. Name one gun law that has reduced crime, just one. Uh huh, you cannot. Yet these laws put people into jail every day (Plaxico Burris for example). Why did we need to put Plaxico Burris into jail for carrying a pistol? What about Arenas in DC. Here we have an honest basketball player who is looking at jail time for possessing a pistol. These are YOUR laws you idiot of a butt Remora.

You advocate for more laws and regulations and then whine when people go to jail for it. Were you born stupid or did you just get that way somehow?

LOL

Stings don't it?

Your dearest pal

Johnny Rico

Janey

PS This ought to be interesting!!!!!

guy faulkes said...

This one being the Tea Bag Empire of Flat Earthers and Know Nothing's plan to take control of the US Government? - Liberalproverbs18:2

The proper terms are patriots and conservative citizens of the United States. As the polls indicate, we are taking control. Once we stop the insanity forced on us by the liberals, we can start on the long road back to economic security and freedom.

Rico, you forget to address one of the largest problems for the size of the prison population. This is the problem of the influx of illegal aliens that Liberalproverbs18:2 supports (I guess to enable his terrorist heroes easier access to this country.)

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Lets say your right and like a dog chasing a truck what will you do when you take control?
What's your model?

Eliminate Social Security?

Eliminate Medicare?

Eliminate loans to higher education?

Stop Unemployment insurance and benefits?

Stop funding education?

Call for the death penalty for teenage mothers who choose abortion option?

Declare Global Climate change over?

Fire any educated person that question your theories ofa flat earth?


Deport 12 to 20 million residents separating mother and children. Seperating couples?

Up holding family values of hate and fear?

You kind have taken power in the past. These period of history was called the dark ages.
Other periods of history the tea bag empire was called the Khmer Rouge or the KKK.

Wolf's Head said...

Eliminate SS? It's eliminating itself, it's going broke.

Eliminate Medicare? Ditto.

""""""""" Student Loans? Yep.

Unemployment? It's insurance. If you pay in it pays out. Shouldn't be a "Gimme" program and should be voluntary, paid for by the employee, not the employer.

Stop funding education? Yes. The parents or the individual should pay for it.

Death sentence for teenage mothers who have abortions? Stop getting them pregnant and we don't have to worry about it.

Man Made Global Climate Change NEVER WAS, so it can't be over.

I don't believe in "flat earth" or global warming, or "free money from the gov't" or other lefty myths.

Deportation? Shame we don't have an efficient railway system, but YES. We'll give the kids Cotton Candy to eat on the way.

Fear and hate are traditional lefty values, look it up.

Our historical age for Conservatism was called "The Enlightenment". You know, the Founding Fathers.

Sarkazein said...

POV, you truly are in your own world. Your questions have no basis in reality. It is like asking someone:" Why do pigs fly only on Tuesdays?"

Sarkazein said...

POV- to add to the above comment: In your mind, you know the reason pigs only fly on Tuesdays, and you are testing others to see if they are as knowledgeable in bovine aviation as you.

guy fauleks said...

Sark, you made a mistake. You referred to bovine aviation. This would relate to the fecal matter of bulls that Liberalproverbs18:2 spreads. Flying pigs would relate to porcine aviation. I have no doubt that you are correct in stating Libweralproverbs18:2 believes in and supports flying pigs. After all he supports terrorism and pedophiles.

Sarkazein said...

Thank you Guy. Porcine aviation.

Johnny "Stinger" Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV:

Still waiting for an answer to the prison question I hammered you on. Are you running scared on this one, or have absolutly no idea how to answer to it? LOL!!!

Your ole pal
Johnny Rico

PS Stings don't it?

PSS - Guy, sorry I left out the illegal aliens causing our prisons to fail. How could I have forgotten that one!

Liberal POV said...

Wolf

Thank you for your post, while I disagree with all of it I think you have stated the Republican, Conservative position very well.

Please tell me what you think would happen to small town America if your plan was fully implemented?

A very good series was on TV recently called " Appalachia" . On one of the four parts Tom Gish a newspaper editor from Whitesburg, KY tells of Americans freezing to death in that part of the country back in the late 50 and early 60s. Real hunger was wide spread, this you want to return to?

If we end Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid, Grants for students, all public money for education What will happen to rural economies?

I a liberal happen to believe the GI Bill after World War Ii was the best investment this country ever made and we are still reaping the benefits.

I never worked for a union but I knew my own welfare a blue collar worker was tied to and thanks to union strength.

Look at the lives of ordinary American citizens and the decline in wages , benefits and job security sense Reagan busted the unions.

I really don't understand your loyalty to corporate greed and obscene wealth that will one day rob your children of their future.

You were raised with union wage income.
Your parents pension was saved by Obama's bail out of the auto industry.

Undocumented workers:

What role did NAFTA and the global economy that made billions for wall street have in the need of those south of the border come north for survival?

Shouldn't these people have more rights than a corporation or a trinket to cross the border for economic reasons? Yes, we should have better immigration laws and have a way to know who here.

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

I don't have a gun fetish so I have no Idea where you're coming from?

What new gun laws are being purposed by liberals?

I support changing conservative drug laws to reduce prison populations.

I oppose making abortion illegal further increasing prison population.

guy faulkes said...

If we end Medicare, Social Security, Medicaid, Grants for students, all public money for education What will happen to rural economies?

Social security is going broke due to miss management by big government.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_social_security_ious

Medicare is going to be gutted by Obama's cuts to fund his socialized medicine scheme. Health care rationing and death panels will ensue.

Am I now to assume you want to recognize vouchers for education that would force improvement to the system when bad schools started closing? It is about time you came to your senses.

What role did NAFTA and the global economy that made billions for wall street have in the need of those south of the border come north for survival?

None. It was their socialist or communists governments that has ruined their economy for years.

Shouldn't these people have more rights than a corporation or a trinket to cross the border for economic reasons?

No. Illegal alien criminals have no rights in this country.

Wolf's Head said...

"Please tell me what you think would happen to small town America if your plan was fully implemented?" LPOV

Peace, health and prosperity!

"Real hunger was wide spread, this you want to return to?" LPOV

No, I am trying to prevent YOU from implementing it.

"What will happen to rural economies?" LPOV

They will no longer be under YOUR YOKE, and able to raise their families as they wish. End the oppressive taxes and regulations and they will thrive. Keeping someone dependent on you to make you "fell good" is sick and disgusting, have you no shame?

"I never worked for a union" LPOV

I never did either, you DON"T WORK FOR A UNION UNLESS YOUR A UNION EMPLOYEE!!!! You work for a company of CAPITALISTS who HIRE you to work for them, and in some states you cannot get a job unless you are a union member. The right to work is a HUMAN RIGHT!

"Look at the lives of ordinary American citizens and the decline in wages , benefits and job security sense Reagan busted the unions."LPOV

WRONG! Reagan only busted the air traffic controllers who were endangering American lives. They were replaced by Air Force controllers who are dedicated to serving this country voluntarily, knew some of them when I was in. Unions are dying because they are parasites killing their hosts, the companies, and the overseas manufacturers can compete without such foolishness.

"I really don't understand your loyalty to corporate greed and obscene wealth that will one day rob your children of their future." LOPV

You can't be this STUPID! Businesses create wealth that is shared by all in a free society thru capitalism. YOUR gov't is, right now, STEALING TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS from our children to pay off their special interest butt buddies and YOU DON"T CARE! What is wrong with you????

"You were raised with union wage income." LPOV

WRONG! I was raised by by parents who EARNED their wages working for what was once the largest corp in the world until the UNION KILLED IT. Their pensions are monies THEY PAID INTO, not from some "union gimme". They are now in danger form the coming economic collapse caused by idiots such as yourself.

NAFTA was NEVER about "free trade" it was about letting gov't cronies moving their businesses off shore to increase their profits in the face of union and gov't excesses.

Illegals are illegals and should be treated as such. Although with our collapsing economy they may be better off heading to Mexico.

Just watch, when the Feds, states and cities start running out of money for welfare, retirement and other entitlement checks the LEFTIES will be rounding up the illegals and sending them out.

Liberal POV said...

Wolf

Many small town economies in times like these receive most of the life blood to operate from the elderly social security and medicare income.

Boone's economy is based on social security and tax supported ASU.

Stop funding pell grants and student loans or tax supporting the school itself and see what happens to the rest of us.

I'm not an economist but I like to play one here.

I think I've heard for every tax dollar put into an economy like Boone say paying a maintenance employee after that dollar circulates to through the community the government will get more than one dollar returned in revenue. The dollar may turn seven times before leaving the area.
I wish we could get a real economist from ASU to comment on this topic as well as someone from the history department.

Liberal POV said...

Wolf

Had Obama not bailed out GM what would have happened to your parent's pension?

Wolf's Head said...

Their pension is NOT under GM, it is run by the unions. GM has no access to the money.

The union does run the pension, but I don't know if it is invested in anything or if it is just another Ponzi scheme.

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep said:

"What new gun laws are being purposed by liberals?"

You are really asking this? Aside from you being too lazy to do the research for yourself, here are a few:

1. Assault Weapons Ban
2. Blair-Holt Firearms Registration
3. Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
4. Gun Show loophole
5. Chicago Gun Ban
6. Registration of all guns in Mass.
7. Elimination of Sunday hunting in Watauga County
8. Ammunition registration (bill 962) Act in California
9. Many, many others.
10. United Nations ban on civilian ownership of small arms.

Show me a gun law liberals don't like?

You being a liberal socialist, at what point will the total subjegation of the American populous take place?

LOL!!!


This ought to be interesting.

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Sarah

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

You never said can you legally own and carry a weapon?

Can you pass the background check?

guy faulkes said...

Rico has already stated she has the necessary paperwork in order to carry concealed. The question is if Liberalproverbs18;2 could pass the mental health requirement to do so. He might also have trouble as his being a traitor, supporting terrorism and pedophiles could possibly disqualify him (only if he has been convicted of criminal activity while doing so).

Wolf's Head said...

Can you LPOV?

Concealed Caryy License holders go through a background check by the Sherriff, the State Bureau of Investigation and the FBI.

Reckon OBAMA couldn't pass because of his drug use.

Could YOU pass this?

And they have to do this to exercise what is their RIGHT under the Constitution.

We should require similar background checks for political candidates.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Could you let Johnny do his or her own speaking?

I see you are still lying because you can't support your comments.

You keep making comments you fail to support with facts.

Got a Photo or News story from the Vietnam Era showing people spitting on returning soldiers was common place? NO

Got a post of a high level ACORN offical convicted of a crime? NO

Guy most of what you think you know just ain't so.

Did you really attend ASU? Did you graduate? Did you take any history classes? Economics Classes?
What classes did you take?

guy faulkes said...

Yes, I took history at ASU. As a matter of fact, I received credit for 9 quarter hours by challenging freshman history. I took many classes. I have a Bachelor of Science degree. I took English, history, mathematics up to calculus, physics, art, and theater. I also took courses in vocational education, education on the secondary school level, political science, public administration, philosophy, and religion. I had to stop shortly before I got a Masters due to family obligations and never went back. How about you?

I can post on anything relative to the thread. I do not need to speak for Rico, but I can certainly draw attention to your ignoreing what she has previously posted.

I also find Rico's allegation that you admitted spitting on veterans on Watauga Watch interesting, especially as you have not denied it.

As I said before, you have been given many links to convicted ACORN employees. Unfortunatley for you, you do not get to negate this because you claim they just happened to be rouge employees doing the same things in state after state.

Also, do you really feel comfortable supporting those that aid in the establishment of houses of prostitution featuring under age children? Is this permissible for you because you consider these illegal alien children to be undocumented workers? If so, please never post the pictures you probably have hidden in you computer.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

"I also find Rico's allegation that you admitted spitting on veterans on Watauga Watch interesting, especially as you have not denied it."

You won't be able to find that either as it didn't happen.

Do you have more lie you want to post as you can't win with honest debate.

guy faulkes said...

Liberalproverbs18:2, you have not indicated what I lied about. Please do so. Also, as I did you the courtesy of informing you about my education when you asked, please do the same with my request about yours. Please answer the question about your support for organizations wishing to help establish houses of prostitution for pedophiles.

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist "Question Dodger" sheep said:

"What new gun laws are being purposed by liberals?"

As usual I delivered, and you mumble something about background checks and legally carrying. How is that relevant to the stupid question you were asking?

What gun control laws do liberal not like? LOL!!!!

Here they are again so you can wallow in your inability to answer simple questions and handle the truth!!!:

1. Assault Weapons Ban
2. Blair-Holt Firearms Registration
3. Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
4. Gun Show loophole
5. Chicago Gun Ban
6. Registration of all guns in Mass.
7. Elimination of Sunday hunting in Watauga County
8. Ammunition registration (bill 962) Act in California
9. Many, many others.
10. United Nations ban on civilian ownership of small arms.


What have you to say now you libertard of an idiot?

LOL

Your bestest pal again
Johnny Rico

sarah

PS Perhaps you need your tarded friend Tricycle Lard to come over and cheerlead for you since you are being thrashed around like a drunk lemming who can't find the cliff!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Are you referring to the politically motivated witch hunt?
Truth is just not something Republican like you are interested in is it?
The world has all ways had your kind.

Johnny Rico said...

Dodging again POV. I just gave you 10 examples and you say nothing. Why is this?

LOL

Truth hurts, or stings I should say!!!!!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

guy faulkes said...

Liberalproverbs18:2, how can even you claim something is a witch hunt when filmed documentation was presented on even the left wing media? You support an organization that tried to help people set up houses of prostitution using underage illegal aliens in multiple states. There is no question it happened. The only question is whether your support for an organization aiding pedophiles makes you a pedophile. Should the thought be taken for the deed? I think not because, as far as can be determined, you only give these people political support. There is no evidence you have physically molested a child.

Now how about your education? You asked about mine and I told you. Are you going to provide me with the information about yours?

You have yet to indicate what I lied about. This is probably because it is a statement that is true, but with which you disagree. As you have a religious belief in the Kool Aid you obtain from your masters, this is understandable.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

"Liberalproverbs18:2, how can even you claim something is a witch hunt when filmed documentation was presented on even the left wing media?"

There's no left wing media and never has been.

We have corporate media owned by major mulit national corporations of GE, Westinghouse, and Time Warner then we have the Republican Propaganda Network Fox.

You were duped by the heavy edited video as was the corporate media and the makers now face criminal charges for similar acts.

LiberalGreggPOV said...

Yea Guy, they edited the video!!! The ACORN employees actually were appalled at the thought of importing little girls for prostitution. They threw O'Keefe and Giles out. It's all in the editing.

guy faulkes said...

Still no answers to the education or pedophile questions. Still no example of where I lied. Still ignoring the obvious as to the ACORN videos. Still chanting La La La La La.

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV:

I just gave you 10 examples and you say nothing. Why is this? Why do you ignore cold hard facts? Is it because your moral foundations are shaky and you have no basis from which to form a viable answer? LOL!!!

Stings don't it?

LOL

Johnny Rico

David Gross said...

Is it that you are willing to totally abandon those of us who need health care to stay alive over the side of our nation's ship to drown?

If so then you are guilty of gross inhumanity to your fellow Americans who are disabled and on medicaid through NO fault of our own.

Sarkazein said...

David Gross-
Be a sport and make the jump yourself. Or at least supply your own tin cup and cardboard sign. Next you'll want me to print your cardboard sign for you, stand at the intersection for you, and deliver the money to your home.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

You make a great poster boy of Republican values.

May your next life be as a child's pony.

guy faulkes said...

David,if you are on Medicaid, you have government (socialized) health care all ready. Apparently it is not working out to well for you.

guy faulkes said...

Liberalproverbs18:2, if Sark's next life is as a child's pony, it would still be better than being a parasite like you.

Why do you support pedophiles abusing underage illegal alien (undocumented worker) girls in houses of prostitution? Do you not care that they are in danger of venereal disease, aids, and mental trauma?

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Your life today must be that of a large tumbling bug as you keep rolling around dung and that seems to be your diet.

guy faulkes said...

While I admit showing you how it feels to see the same thing over and over again does taste bad, I would not know if it tastes like crap or not. For that opinon, I will have to rely on you.

Why do you support pedophiles abusing underage illegal alien (undocumented worker) girls in houses of prostitution? Do you not care that they are in danger of venereal disease, aids, and mental trauma?

Liberal POV said...

Guy

"Why do you support pedophiles abusing underage illegal alien (undocumented worker) girls in houses of prostitution?

That was a conservative republican James O'Keele whom you support that said he wanted to open a houses of prostitution?

We don't know what was said the workers at the Acorn office that didn't call the police as the video tape were dishonestly edited to give a false view of Acorn an organization to assist the poorest and weakest Americans with basic legal and voting rights.

Is this your version of a free America?

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist "Question Dodger" sheep said:

"What new gun laws are being purposed by liberals?"

Well, you wanted to know, and I have you 10 examples. As usual I delivered. As usual, you run away and say nothing when made to look bad!!!

Now that I have shown you once again what gun laws have been proposed by you liberals, what do you have to say? LOL!!!

1. Assault Weapons Ban
2. Blair-Holt Firearms Registration
3. Gun Ban in Seattle Parks
4. Gun Show loophole
5. Chicago Gun Ban
6. Registration of all guns in Mass.
7. Elimination of Sunday hunting in Watauga County
8. Ammunition registration (bill 962) Act in California
9. Many, many others.
10. United Nations ban on civilian ownership of small arms.

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

Did you ever answer if you can legally own a fire arm?

Do you have a restraining order against you?

Do you have a history of mental illness?

Are you a felon?

What is your need for an assault weapon and how is your freedom restricted without such a weapon?

Closing Gun Show loophole? Would this be were someone who has mental health issues, restraining orders against them or is a felon may go to purchase a weapon?

Johnny, I don't have a gun fetish myself so my interest in this subject has ended.

David Gross said...

Hey Sarkazein : F*** Yourself you wingnut B******

Sarkazein said...

David Gross-
You are funny, now tell the truth. You are a conservative trying to make poor liberals look bad.
Nice try, but a little too funny to be believable.

The tell was the fact that nobody is stupid enough to go through three years of suing a government administration for benefits they think they deserve, then support that same government in the take-over of the more of the same.