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Sunday, March 21, 2010

How is Our Gun Fight Going?


The very astute observer Chuck Todd said the following on Meet the Press today:

“The issue of health care gets at the philosophical divide between democrats and republicans. I’ve asked many a republican and many a democrat, (on the issue of polarization) its healthcare coverage, is it a right or a privilege, this is a philosophical divide. On this issue, it shouldn’t be surprising we are sitting here so polarized. It’s the fundamental reason someone is a democrat believing in a more activist government or a republican keeping government smaller.”

Chuck went on to say, there may be less polarization on some future issues which will be regional, but this issue matters to all Americans.

I posted the above when I realized how much we, on this blog, have been fighting the good fight as we reveal the great divide. How well do you think both sides are doing so far?

46 comments:

Liberal POV said...

Blogger

I will start this one off.

We have Conservatives posting here who want the government out of everything. That would include public education, Some go as far as the say we need for profit police, Fire Departments, EMS and military.

We already have for profit prison some owned by the face of the Republican Party Dick Cheney.

We hear a lot about Socialism and the values of Capitalism but on different post I've tried to get a debate going on these topics to see if the misinformed Fox News audience really knows what socialism is? Do they consider Canada, France, UK or Israel socialist?

Does the Republican party want to return to strict capitalism of the early days of the industrial revolution, without unions, child labor laws, worker safety, working sixty hours a week without over time, no health insurance, no vacation, no sick leave?
Real third world poverty in Appalachia, no school buses?

What we have today is a mob of conservatives with no plan, little or no understanding of problems facing those outside the gated communities but a great campaign to get people living poor to vote rich.
The dumbing of the religious right with super simple emotional and hyped issues of Guns, God, Gays and Fear. Great example of such nonsense is the Death Panel insanity. How can you people be fooled by something so outrageous and dumb?
These rich CEOs and political strategist are playing you as fools to get you to vote against your own family and well being by talking about abortion, or guns or gays.

David Gross said...

Tea Party Conservatives Sink to a New Low: The Tea partiers have sunk to a new low in resorting to threats, vile name-calling and spitting on politicians.

Calling Congressman Barney Frank a "Faggot" and Congressman John Lewis who stood with Dr. King a "Nigger" and spitting on Cong. John Cleaver this really takes the cake and just shows how dangerous and crazy these people are. Sad isn't it how desperate they are to stop this bill

Reader said...

The spitting and the slur I think was a terrible thing to do. However, I believe Barney is a homosexual. I don't care about the word they called him...it's not natural for a man to choose another man for a mate. In fact, it's quite sickening. Not saying I don't like the people, it's just replusive to me.

Sarkazein said...

David Gross-

Are you sure it wasn't just rap music someone was listening to in their ipod?

Sarkazein said...

Reader-
The House of Representatives just spit on more than half the people in this country. The words used by a couple of people out of tens of thousands are pet names they call each other in movies and rap "music" and in Barney Frank's Boudoir.
Don't let the the Marxists distract from the tragedy being brought on our country.
Look at videos of the actions just from the people in Michael Moore's anti- Republican parade during the Bush/Kerry election. There is no comparison.

The actions of the few are a symptom of Obama/Pelosi's actions of dividing our country. That was mild compared to how it's going to get.

Reader said...

Blogger, our gun fight has just started. I feel this has opened a barrel of shells, bullets or what have you.

Sark I agree. Now to see what will happen and how many people lose their jobs. As a business owner, I can't afford to keep all employees under this plan. Lib should be happy they will have insurance, but no food for their families tummies.

Sarkazein said...

Reader-

Food and housing are next. It will be the responsibility of the employer to see all their employees eat correctly and have government approved houses.
We just went over the edge. As a patriot, it is important to put as much down south as possible.

Reader said...

Sark, it might be a good time to start liquidating some things and stockpiling others.

Sarkazein said...

Reader-

Ask any of your employees that supported Obama, how long they have worked there not counting tomorrow. This might be a good punch back, any liberal is the first to be fired. Let them go on complete government control. Let them all hire TV lawyers and get SSI or SSD.

guy faulkes said...

Well, since his fiasco passed, we will see the out come of he 2010 elections. It is my opinion that the liberals are going to lose the House for certain and very possibly the Senate. The citizens of the United States do not like to be told to sit down and shut up by politicians that are supposed to be public servants. Instead these people think they are public masters. The Democratic politicians that caved on this issue are history. Their constituents will not tolerate being stabbed in the back,

The question is whether a repeal of the bill is possible or if the entitlement babies will be to entrenched, even if a repeal could be passed over Obama's veto.

I have heard people discussing that the fact the politicians ignore their constituents is an indication of a possible government coup with no more elections. I do not think so as even these public masters would realize this would lead to a real shooting war. This is what the second amendment was designed to prevent.

Reader said...

We knew better than to hire a person that would vote for him. You've got a good idea though and the first one that says it's a good thing, will be the first to go. Hoping NC will file for this to be unconstitutional. Do you know of a link, that shows which states are filing?

Liberal POV said...

Reader

If you have less than 50 employees nothing affects you.

Do you now provide Health Insurance for employees?

Interesting you and Sark don't believe your employees should have full citizenship rights to vote and and freedom of speech.

You want all of your employees to vote with their master.

Sarkazein said...

Reader-

I know Texas AG Gregg Abbott is filing suit.

Sarkazein said...

The government mandates we be the masters.

Reader said...

Lib, I hire who I want to hire. I can get along well with people who believe as I do. Why would I want someone like you spreading infection in my business? I don't believe you even have a job, so why do you care?

guy faulkes said...

One hires and fires employees due to the contribution they make to the company. If they voted for something that causes the company to downsize, it would only make sense for them to be the people let go. The moral thing for them to do would be to resign. I would probably not be a hardship for them as their vote indicates they are likely to be entitlement leeches that want to be supported even though they are fully capable of working.

The name calling incident is right up there with Libelaproverbs18:2 and BB calling people on this blog names. As a matter of fact, BB made physical threats. This behavior is not limited to one side and appears to happen on the left much more frequently in a local setting.

Liberal POV said...

Reader

"I believe Barney is a homosexual. I don't care about the word they called him...it's not natural for a man to choose another man for a mate."


Should Barney be demonized, dehumanized and be denied personal freedom to live with a person he is naturally attracted to.

Reader your ignorance on the subject of homosexuality shows the real harm of some religions in denying personal freedom to others.

I have no idea how old you are or if you have children but the more children and grandchildren but the more you have the greater chance you have on being educated that homosexuality naturally occurs in all species.

Your comments confirm that Tea Baggers are a know nothing mob

Sarkazein said...

First of all POV, you don't know Jack about the plan. Secondly, MOST companies have less than 50 employees. AND, if you lucked into a correct answer, even MORE companies would become 49 or less employees. MORE unemployment and more "off the books" work. You are a complete sucker.

Reader said...

Lib, didn't think you worked.
Ignorance belongs to you my friend. I don't give a flip about your bud Barney.

Sark, you are correct in saying many will drop below the level of 50. Taxes will take care of that and of course the ones who voted for Obama.

Liberal POV said...

GOP ( Grumpy Old People )

All of you folks are going to be so disappointed when the world doesn't end because the health care bill passed.

You will discover all of that fear you were sold by FOX and Hate radio was counterfeit. You have been scammed by those that want you to live poor and vote rich.

guy faulkes said...

Liberalproverbs18:2 is correct again. The world is not going to end over this health care fiasco. The backlash is going to insure a conservative majority in both houses. We have four years to repeal it. At most Obama will be around for two of them (assuming he is not impeached).

Liberal POV said...

Guy

the Tea Baggers will be exposed for what they are a mob who has sadly misinform.

Liberal POV said...

Reader

You failed to answer the question.

Are you on a Socialist Government run Health Care program called Medicare?

With the passage of the new Health care bill brace yourself for nothing to happen.

oatz said...

NewsBusters has the transcript:

“First of all, then we have to say the American public overwhelmingly voted for socialism when they elected President Obama,” Sharpton said. “Let’s not act as though the president didn’t tell the American people – the president offered the American people health reform when he ran. He was overwhelmingly elected running on that and he has delivered what he promised.”

This is another example that every once in a while, a democrat forgets his talking points and speaks the truth.

Barack Obama explained it this way last night– “This is what Change looks like.”

Reader said...

I've answered it for you before Lib. Try to remember what I posted.

The world won't end, but many, many jobs will. Barney may like something shoved down his throat, I on the other hand do not.

Liberal POV said...

Oatz

How about taking on my first post here.

Do you want a return to strict capitalism of the Industrial Revolution with low wages and child labor like the days of Charles Dickens?

We have Conservatives posting here who want the government out of everything. That would include public education, Some go as far as the say we need for profit police, Fire Departments, EMS and military.

We already have for profit prison some owned by the face of the Republican Party Dick Cheney.

We hear a lot about Socialism and the values of Capitalism but on different post I've tried to get a debate going on these topics to see if the misinformed Fox News audience really knows what socialism is? Do they consider Canada, France, UK or Israel socialist?

Does the Republican party want to return to strict capitalism of the early days of the industrial revolution, without unions, child labor laws, worker safety, working sixty hours a week without over time, no health insurance, no vacation, no sick leave?
Real third world poverty in Appalachia, no school buses?

What we have today is a mob of conservatives with no plan, little or no understanding of problems facing those outside the gated communities but a great campaign to get people living poor to vote rich.
The dumbing of the religious right with super simple emotional and hyped issues of Guns, God, Gays and Fear. Great example of such nonsense is the Death Panel insanity. How can you people be fooled by something so outrageous and dumb?
These rich CEOs and political strategist are playing you as fools to get you to vote against your own family and well being by talking about abortion, or guns or gays.

March 21, 2010 4:42 PM

Liberal POV said...

Reader

"I've answered it for you before Lib. Try to remember what I posted."

I'm remembering you do enjoy the benefits of a socialist government run health care system called Medicare.

I think that's great because you should have health care reguardless of you health or abliity to earn an income.

guy faulkes said...

Liberalproverbs18:2, the only thing this vote did for sure is that it is going to cause the death of the Democratic majority and maybe the Democratic party. Between the reconciliation process and the court challenges to the bill, nothing else is certain.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

There'll be a poll in Nov. that will decide the answer to that.

I personally think your wrong, I think extremist like you will sink the Republican ship for at least a decade.

We'll see.

oatz said...

Liberal POV the "poll" will begin within 5 min of Obama signing the Health care Bill the Commonwealth of Virgina along with 30 other States filling suit to challenge the Constitutionality of required Health care for citizens.

Liberal POV said...

Oatz

You can't win that one as the precedents is with Medicaid.

All that can be done is waste tax payer money.

guy faulkes said...

The attorneys general of somewhere between 12 and 39 states disagree with you Liberalproverbs18:2. Of course they do not have either your education or insight.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

The New Health Care Plan is here to stay and the public will defend it at the polls like Social Security and Medicare.

Now lets move on to Immagration reform.

We also need to get the banks under control with better banking regulations.

Obama's found his voice to do what he was elected to do.

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"Obama's found his voice to do what he was elected to do."

You mean turn America into a socialist quaqmire that we will never extract ourselves from? Well, yes you are right then! LOL!! You mean take America's personal freedoms away via a strong centralized government? Yes you are right then. You mean by taxing hard working Americans like me to pay for inept, lazy, ignorant pedophiles such as yourself who believes the world owes them something? Yes, you are right then.

Stings don't it

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep said:

"How can you people be fooled by something so outrageous and dumb?"

6 million Jews were extirminated because they were fooled by something so outrageous and dumb. What would you tell those Jews or their surviving family members - that they are dumb or that it could never happen again? LOL!! The Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership has a far different perspective, born of real world experiences, as opposed to your feel good theories not based in anything other than Marxism or Socialism. LOL!!

This ought to be interesting in that it stings don't it?

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Sarah

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

We hear a lot about Socialism and the values of Capitalism but on different post I've tried to get a debate going on these topics to see if the misinformed Fox News audience really knows what socialism is? Do they consider Canada, France, UK or Israel socialist?

Does the Republican party want to return to strict capitalism of the early days of the industrial revolution, without unions, child labor laws, worker safety, working sixty hours a week without over time, no health insurance, no vacation, no sick leave?
Real third world poverty in Appalachia, no school buses?

What we have today is a mob of conservatives with no plan, little or no understanding of problems facing those outside the gated communities but a great campaign to get people living poor to vote rich.
The dumbing of the religious right with super simple emotional and hyped issues of Guns, God, Gays and Fear. Great example of such nonsense is the Death Panel insanity. How can you people be fooled by something so outrageous and dumb?
These rich CEOs and political strategist are playing you as fools to get you to vote against your own family and well being by talking about abortion, or guns or gays.

guy faulkes said...

Liberalproverbs18:2, the majority of the citizens of this country disagree with you. Thanks to the politicians ignoring the will of the people, there is going to either aa huge turnover in the 2010 elections or a government coup to prevent the elections from occurring. I used to think the latter was a far fetched idea, but not after Sunday.

I fear for the Republic.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

The crazies take charge, What's the plan?

Drive liberals into the jungle, debtors prisons?

I see you haven't though that far.

guy faulkes said...

Does anyone have even a vague idea of the point Liberalproverbs18:2 was trying to make? His post is so out of context it makes no sense. It does little good to ask him for clarification as he is not coherent.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

I'm asking if your mob gets control of government what do you plan to do to govern?

Will you drive all of the liberals into the jungles like your counter part the Khmer Rouge did in Camboida?

Will you create a debtors prison as you want to make it impossibe to earn a living wage but make it illegal to be poor?

What's the plan and who will lead?

What's your understanding of any major issue?

Sarkazein said...

Thanks for the reminder POV. POV wrote:"Will you drive all of the liberals into the jungles like your counter part the Khmer Rouge did in Camboida?"

The Democrats rioted in the streets to stop the US from killing the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, then cut off funding for the Vietnam War to assure victory for the Communists. Millions were killed as a result by both the Khmer Rouge and the North Vietnamese government after the US left.
THIS is the history of the LEFT.

Sarkazein said...

Will the Illegal Aliens be issued a US government health-care insurance card in their home countries in case they get hurt along the way, or will they have to wait and get it here?
Since it will be required by law they have insurance, will they be arrested and sent back if the IRS catches them not having insurance? Since pre-existing conditions are covered, should the Illegal Alien teenage girls be pregnant with their 3rd and 4th babies at younger ages now? AND will all their children and children's children be covered on their way here, or after they get here?

guy faulkes said...

Liberproverbs18:2, we plan to govern by returning to the concepts of individual freedom, liberty, and the free market. We plan to allow and encourage people to prosper. We plan to encourage small business and create jobs. We plan to control our borders, stop illegal immigration, and insure the safety of our citizens from your terrorist heroes. We plan to deport the illegal aliens that are already here increasing our prison populations. We plan to repeal the fiasco the left just passed and fix what is wrong with health care without establishing death panels and socialized medicine. We will continue to investigate ACORN, although it has disbanded and is reestablishing itself under aliases (as is common with other criminal entities).

The most important question is who will lead. The people will lead. We will not tolerate being told to sit down and shut up and have legislation we oppose jammed down our throats.

Blogger said...

As you run away off into the weeds on this post, I know you will not abandon the fight for long. I hope you will soon return to the metaphor. More than anything else, Obamacare has crystalized for Americans what the gunfight is all about. Now, remember those old Westerns? The bad guys are taking over the town. The townsmen are hiding out. Then suddenly we hear the cocking of guns. Tired of being pushed around, the townspeople come out to join the fight.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

You have lots of clichés but nothing of substances.

What happens to Social Security, Medicare, Jobs, Small Towns, Infrastructure, Research, Mass Transportation, Human Rights, Freedom, Future of our children, Jobs, Insurance, Polution, Clean water, Clean air, FDA, worker safety, Living wagethose 45% who don't make enough to pay anything but sales and gas tax?

How can you fix problems if you don'tunderstand what the problems are?

You and the others are just Fear Media Zombies acting without thinking or reasoning.

guy faulkes said...

"What happens to Social Security, Medicare, Jobs, Small Towns, Infrastructure, Research, Mass Transportation, Human Rights, Freedom, Future of our children, Jobs, Insurance, Polution, Clean water, Clean air, FDA, worker safety, Living wagethose 45% who don't make enough to pay anything but sales and gas tax?" If you are referring to the health care bill, nothing.

The principles I listed will fix all of them. We have been over these issues many times.

Thank you for admitting that you do not understand the problems. If you keep coming to this blog, even you will someday gain better understanding and learn how to correct our nations problems.