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Sunday, April 25, 2010

Arizona Gets Serious

Because the Federal government refuses to.

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Here is the bill.
It will be challenged in court on 4th amendment grounds but I'm not so sure Arizona is not justified to ask for verification of citizenship if "reasonable suspicion exist" (page 2, section 2, paragraph B). There is no doubt this gives over zealous law enforcement an avenue to harass innocent Americans but where do you draw the line? President Obama sure is "wee-weed up" about it. The lawyers are pouring over it preparing to challenge the bill which as NPR reported, "makes it against the law to be an illegal immigrant in Arizona".

Parting question: Is it time to consider a National ID card?

100 comments:

Liberal POV said...

HD

Thanks for posting!

Now is the time for all of those Tea Party folks who feels the Constitution and Freedom is being infringed on to come forward.

This Arizona Bill removes American freedom of movement, violates the concept of innocent until proven guilty and will not stand a constitutional test in the courts.

Remember Arizona was part of Mexico at one time but the border moved but not the people, Native Americans and Mexicans populated Arizona long before English speaking Americans.

I do support real immigration reform that doesn't try to split families and deport those that have lived here for decades.

This issue will kill the Republican party for good.

Right of Center Republicans like George W. Bush, John McCain, George H. Bush oppose deporting the undocumented Latin American population.

HD are you going to play to the bigotry and fear of the far right on this issue?

Honest Debate said...

"HD are you going to play to the bigotry and fear of the far right on this issue?" -LiberalPOV

Sure I am, as far as you know.

Liberal POV said...

HD

Tell me about the conservative view of personal freedom?
You want a Police State that the police shout "Halt, Show me your Papers".

Free country?

Sarkazein said...

Pare, demu├ęstreme sus papeles.

Honest Debate said...

Sark,

What's the Latin phrase for illustrating absurdity with absurdity? Will law enforcement need to speak Spanish to demand papers? That's deep man.

Honest Debate said...

Lib you wrote: You want a Police State that the police shout "Halt, Show me your Papers".

I really wish you would stop telling me what I want but I guess you won't.

I posted the actual bill and referenced the section with the offending language. Is that what you got out if it? It isn't what I got. It does, as I noted, give opportunity for abuse and that is troubling. So are the murders of Americans by illegals in Arizona.

Liberal POV said...

HD

" So are the murders of Americans by illegals in Arizona."

Sell a big dose of fear!

Murder is illegal now. We do need control of the border and we need to know who is here those should be part of real reform.

Right wing revenge has no place in immigration reform.

Sarkazein said...

A system's fatal flaws
Thousands of inmates admit they're in the U.S. illegally, but even those convicted of violent crimes are often released right back onto Houston's streets
By SUSAN CARROLL
Copyright 2008 Houston Chronicle
Nov. 16, 2008, 7:33AM

Mayra Beltran Chronicle
Inmates are interviewed by jailers in the booking office at the Harris County Jail, where officers maintain a database of inmates who tell jailers during booking that they are in the U.S. illegally.

This three-day Houston Chronicle investigation examines how scores of illegal immigrants cycle through local jails and fall through the cracks of immigration enforcement.
Day 1: Revolving door
Illegal immigrants, including convicted child molesters, drug dealers and suspected murderers, avoid deportation after being arrested in Harris County.
Thousands in U.S. illegally released in Houston
In killing blamed on immigrant, woman's kin want answers
Photo gallery: Immigrant criminals fall through cracks
Possible solutions for immigrant inmate screenings
ICE response to Chronicle investigation
Graphic: Sending them back
Graphic: Harris County’s booking process
Graphic: The Timoteo Rios case
Graphic: Suspected illegal immigrants in jails

Day 2: Bail problem
Dozens of suspected criminals who told jailers they were in the country illegally are freed on bail, later abscond and are accused of more crimes, or even vanish.
An abuse of freedom
Cornyn wants investigation into immigrant inmates
Possible solutions for bail dilemma
Photo gallery: Family search for justice
Day 3: Second chances
Many suspected illegal immigrants convicted of crimes from prostitution to sexual abuse avoid prison time by being sentenced to probation.
Some Houston illegal immigrants get probation for crimes
Pedro Edgardo Alvarez: Avoiding deportation
Graphic: Illegal immigrants on probation
Possible solutions for probation problem
Cardinal wants legalization plan
Lisa Falkenberg: Chronicle series draws hatred
Rick Casey: Let's get 'real' about immigration
Case studies
Some Harris County Jail inmates who said they were in the country illegally were ordered deported decades ago, but never left. The worst escalated to commit more serious crimes. Their court files hold stories of squandered second chances. See where they are now
Federal immigration officials allowed scores of violent criminals — some ordered deported decades ago — to walk away from Harris County Jail despite the inmates' admission to local authorities that they were in the country illegally, a Houston Chronicle investigation found.
A review of thousands of criminal and immigration records shows that Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials didn't file the paperwork to detain roughly 75 percent of the more than 3,500 inmates who told jailers during the booking process that they were in the U.S. illegally.///

Oatz said...

Liberal POV-"Murder is illegal now. We do need control of the border and we need to know who is here those should be part of real reform." talks out of both sides of his mouth when we used the same logic for "Hate crimes" IE Matthew Sheppard. Then we were Hate filled bigots, exactly what is changed here? Liberal POV other than the illegal committed a crime first by not immigrating legally then committed murder. Situational ethics by the left really chaps my ass( gratuitous homo reference for BikerBard thrown in for free, lol).

guy faulkes said...

The federal government had its chance to control illegal immigration. It chose not to do so. Therefore, it should be no surprise to anyone that the states will do it for themselves as per the tenth amendment.

As I have read the bill and how it is to be enforced, no one is going to stop anyone and ask for their papers. However, if an illegal alien is stopped for some legitimate reason such as DWI, speeding, etc., he can be asked for valid identification.

The head of Homeland Security has stated that the numbers prove that the border is secured. What she did not indicated is that the Obama administration has sent down unofficial word to not try to catch illegal aliens (this is from several law reinforcement contacts that I have.), that ICE has been told that they cannot do work place investigations, and that the worst recession since the Depression has slowed the numbers of illegal aliens.

The next step is for more states to follow Arizona's lead. We need a sponsor for such a bill in North Carolina.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

"The federal government had its chance to control illegal immigration."

Republican George W. Bush had a fairly good immagration reform bill and the right wing extremist killed it like so many other good ideas.

Liberal POV said...

Tea Party Mob

For the lat twenty years real immigration reform has been killed by right wing extremist. Some on the right like the cheap labor and second class status of workers so kill reform with bigotry calling for revenge against those peacefully here as workers.

guy faulkes said...

Bush wanted to give the country away with amnesty as did McCain. How does that invalidate my statement about the federal government. Liberalproverbs18:2, I know you need remedial reading lessons, but try to focus. Focus.

People do not want illegal immigration. They approve of immigrants when they do so legally. The majority are not for amnesty. Immigration reform (amnesty) was killed because it was a bad idea and it was killed as a proposal when presented by either party as it ran contrary to the wishes of the people. The problem escalated when Reagan allowed amnesty but was unable to close the borders.

We do not need workers such as the underage girls you would force into prostitution. Our current system prevents this and would work if enforced.

Answer the questions you keep running from.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

"They approve of immigrants when they do so legally. "

There has never been a real legal system for the 12 million plus undocumented residents in the USA many came here as children.

Liberal POV said...

Guy


" Immigration reform (amnesty) was killed because it was a bad idea and it was killed as a proposal when presented by either party as it ran contrary to the wishes of the people."

You will never have immagration reform without an amnesty program. Do you want Immagration reform or keep our same system of doing nothing?

"We do not need workers such as the underage girls you would force into prostitution."

Do you want to have reasoned debate or do you just want to lie and insult?

Oatz said...

Well Liberal POV answer my question! Illegals broke the law by crossing our borders undocumented. How does your argument shape up against your Hate crimes argument, would you like it both ways?

Sarkazein said...

POV- A lesson NOT learned (as usual) by liberals. President Reagan"s amnesty bill was supposed to fix the problem. Didn't. Why? Because the Federal Government did not do its job and stop illegal immigration. The local governments did not do their jobs and stop illegal immigration. Learn from the past, amnesty is not an option.

Sarkazein said...

Since Governor Jim Edgar (R) left office, Illinois has not been able to find the handle. YEARS of Democrat rule results in the call for Marshall Law by the ruling and guilty Party.

Story:
Two state representatives called on Gov. Pat Quinn Sunday to deploy the Illinois National Guard to safeguard Chicago's streets.

Chicago Democrats John Fritchey and LaShawn Ford said they want Quinn, Mayor Richard Daley and Chicago Police Supt. Jody Weis to allow guardsmen to patrol streets and help quell violence. Weis said he did not support the idea because the military and police operate under different rules.

"Is this a drastic call to action? Of course it is," Fritchey said. "Is it warranted when we are losing residents to gun violence at such an alarming rate? Without question. We are not talking about rolling tanks down the street or having armed guards on each corner."

D9 said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"This Arizona Bill removes American freedom of movement, violates the concept of innocent until proven guilty and will not stand a constitutional test in the courts."

No,thank you for posting this drivel. How does the bill remove American freedom of movement when illegal aliens are the targets here. If you are an American (I doubt your patriotism), then how could this law possible restrict your freedom of movement.

It does not violate the concept of guilty until proven innocent like other anti-2nd Amendment laws do. If immigration officers are able to enforce immigration laws, then how does the Arizona law, modeled after the Federal Law, suddenly violate civil rights? If the Feds aren't violating rights, then how is Arizona going to? The law will stand a Constitutional Challenge in court. If the Feds can arrest criminals (illegal aliens), then why can't a police officer? Duh!! You liberal sheep HATE this law. This is true CHANGE that you can believe in!!! This is an exampel of how Hussein Obama is HELPING the country. LOL!!!!

" Native Americans and Mexicans populated Arizona long before English speaking Americans."

What's your point here? Are you willing to give up your home to Native Americans right now? Of course not, so don't expect anyone else to. I would love it if some Indians took your house right now. You would sing a different tune if that happened. Also, the Indians and Mexicans took the land from other tribes in antiquity. What about those who had their land taken away by the Mexicans and Indians? LOL!!!!!

"I do support real immigration reform that doesn't try to split families and deport those that have lived here for decades"

In other words you want to give something to someone who has not, and is not willing, to earn it. That which is given has no value. Deport them all. If a family is split up, it is not the US Govt. fault. The fault lies with the criminals (illegal aliens) who violated Federal Law thus putting their families in jeapordy. Also, the families can go back to Mexico with the criminal being deported (family unity act) so what you say is simply not true. Mexicans caused their own problems, not Americans who want their country back!!!!

This issue will strengthen the conservative movement. Arizona signed the concealed carry bill week before last, and liberal said the same thing about that. Now the immigration bill, and you are wailing and gnashing your teeth about that. The change is coming so hard and fast, that liberal socialist sheep such as yourself won't be able to keep up with it. This is a victory for conservatives, and the Governor of AZ did a great job of getting in Hussein Obama's grill. Great stuff. AZ Gov. is a hero. She should be our President and put this country on the right path. LOL!!!

Deport them all. Mass roundups and deportations. Each deported crmiminal (illegal alien) is a job for an American willing to work (not you). LOL!!

Your ole pal

Grady

D9 (vroooom, vrrroooooommm, chug chug)

PS Another little pile of rubble to push around

PSS I think it will become harder and harder for lazy liberals such as yourself to continue sucking off the teat of society. LOL!!!

D9 said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep said:

"Tell me about the conservative view of personal freedom?
You want a Police State that the police shout "Halt, Show me your Papers".

He wants a society where people can exercise their civil rights such as the 2nd Amendment without fear of government reprisal. He wants a society where Americans are free from living in fear from liberal sponsered acts of violence such as Waco, Ruby Ridge, and Oklohama City.

The Nazi paradim is a socialist concept. Hitler and his SOCIALIST movement was born of liberals such as yourself putting the nanny state in charge (Fairness Doctrine, Gun Control, National ID Card, etc..) LOL

Easy to turn that one around on you.

Your ole pal

D9

PS Stings don't it?

D9 said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV said:

"There has never been a real legal system for the 12 million plus undocumented residents in the USA many came here as children"

In other words, they haven't had the chance to naturalize and bring our country down. Funny thing. Idiots like you claim to want amnesty, yet you would be the first to NOT live near or next to them. Ask the folks in South Florida what happens to land values when large numbers of illegal aliens are given citizenship. You have your slice of paradise in Watauga County, and now you want to tell others how to live their lives. It would tickle me pink for you to become subject to the negative aspects of illegal immigration. Ole Jose and Paco might not be as endearing to you when you look out your window at the low rider and pinetas hanging in the yard. LOL

Reality is such a buzz killer isn't it? LOL

Your ole pal

D9

PS The dust pile grows smaller and smaller

D9 said...

It is unfair to conduct a war of wits with an unarmed opponet (liberal socialst sheep POv), but it is decadently fun.

D9

Liberal POV said...

HD

Please read D9's comments and see the future of the Republican party as the party of extremist.

Sarkazein said...

POV wrote-"Please read D9's comments and see the future of the Republican party as the party of extremist."


Now you represent the future of the liberal Democrat Party... defeated at every turn.

guy faulkes said...

I must say D9;s future is more appealing than Liberalproverbs18:2's. I also have to note Libealproverbs18:2 did not have anything to say to contest D9's comments.

D9 makes an interesting observation about splitting families. Does that are here illegally need to be deported. Those that are here legally, but are family members of those being deported can stay or go as they choose. If these people that are here legally are minor children, then I guess it would be a job for social services. The cost would still be smaller than supporting the illegals.

Do you want Immagration reform or keep our same system of doing nothing? Of course I want immigration reform. I want the illegal aliens deported. I want ICE to do its job. I want legal immigration to be streamlined. I want those that hire illegal aliens to suffer severe criminal and civil penalties. I want those that would force underage illegal aliens into prostitution to be exiled or executed (see below). I want the fence to be completed and patrolled. I want illegal aliens of all races to be treated the same. I want smuggling drugs or humans into the country to be a capital crime, if anyone, be it illegal alien or U.S. citizen is physically harmed because of this smuggling. In other words, if you smuggle someone into the country and during this act either they or a U.S. citizen is harmed, your butt pays the price.

Sarkazein said...

That one's easy, the children of illegals are illegal also.
The adult is responsible for the minor. The adult had to be here illegally when giving birth, so the child is illegal also. Bank robbers don't get to keep the money when they are caught just because they have possession. Illegals don't get to keep their kid's citizenship as it was gained during a crime. What's so hard about that?

Honest Debate said...

First they will check your papers to see if your an American and if you are the IRS will check your papers to see if you have health insurance.

Sarkazein said...

16,000 new IRS agents, and less Border Agents. Yeah, he's headed down the right track (sarcasm).

Sarkazein said...

I am sure the illegals will cooperate fully and first buy their Obama approved health insurance at the border insurance concessions. $500 for the smuggling coyote, and another $2500 to the insurance coyote.

Sarkazein said...

I would like to know HOW liberals think that Obama-care will get illegals out of the emergency rooms.
HOW will it take the illegals off the uninsured roles with out just making everyone that crosses the border an instant citizen with a paid for insurance policy?

This Obama-care is the worst of ALL options.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

"That one's easy, the children of illegals are illegal also.
The adult is responsible for the minor. The adult had to be here illegally when giving birth, so the child is illegal also. Bank robbers don't get to keep the money when they are caught just because they have possession. Illegals don't get to keep their kid's citizenship as it was gained during a crime. What's so hard about that?"

Check your facts, This maybe what you want the law to be, or the law acording to Texas history but not reality. Those born on American soil are American citizens and will vote as real Americans.

They will remember how Republicans treated their relatives. Revenge will come back around to kick the Republicans in the ass. All southern border states will be voting against those that treated their parents so poorly.

Sarkazein said...

Not if they are sent back with bogus citizenship papers.
Sorry if I went over your head, I was explaining why a smuggled fetus should not be legal. That is the problem, in easierwords, the birth is looked at as legalally born in the US, I contend it is ill-gotten gains.

Honest Debate said...

"HOW will it take the illegals off the uninsured roles with out just making everyone that crosses the border an instant citizen with a paid for insurance policy?" -Sarkazein

It can't, the illegals must be covered. Joe Wilson was right.

TR said...

When was it not against the law to be an illegal immigrant? Is that not the whole point of the word illegal in illegal immigrant ?

Liberal POV said...

GOP ( Grumpy Old People )

You will not win this one.

Some of you will have grand children who's parent will be an undocumented resident at that point you will understand this is a human rights issue.

We do need immigration reform but one that forgives those that came here to make a better life for their families and help Americans install roofing, sheetrock, clean toilets, cut trees pick fruit.

Many of you will be cared for in your dying days by one of these workers and your doctor may well be the son or daughter of just such a person.

You can whine, bitch and scream but these people are here to stay. Lets move forward and find a way to control the number coming in the future with a legal means.

Guy and Johnny please think of what liberal POV said as you are compassiately cared for by a kind hearted nurse with beautiful brown eyes and a Spanish accent someday.

guy faulkes said...

This is a legal matter. Arizona has forced the federal government to address the immigration issue that it has for so long ignored. I predict more states will follow Arizona's lead. Hopefully North Carolina will be one of them. I understand another blog is currently discussing which North Carolina Senators and Representatives might sponsor identical legislation.

Liberalproverbs18:2 I have been cared for by nurses of all races like you describe. Every one I talked with opposed Obama care and were legal residents of this country. One was a legal immigrant from Mexico. She did not approve of the illegal aliens either. She felt if she could immigrate legally, so could others.

Sarkazein said...

POV wrote-"You can whine, bitch and scream but these people are here to stay. Lets move forward and find a way to control the number coming in the future with a legal means."

Sorry, the government had its chance, they failed. That ship has sailed.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

"That ship has sailed." Ship for returning undocumented USA residents has sailed.

Most of folks are here to stay, get use to it and lets work together for real reform for the future. There are real problems that need to be fixed.

Sarkazein said...

POV- I beg to differ. Illegals are being returned by the hundreds as we write. It needs to be by the thousands, and they will quit coming. Send 'em all back...join 'em.

Wolf's Head said...

Under this law, police cannot go up to someone and ask their status without PROBABLE CAUSE. If they are interacting with someone for a legal reason, such as speeding, they can do so.

As for the lefties idea of "open borders" I suggest that if the Obama administration does what it has threatened to, that is to prevent ICE from picking up the illegals that Arizona finds, that they should demonstrate "Open Borders" by taking the illegals to the border with Mexico, facing them south and tell them to march.

Sarkazein said...

There are videos of violent behavior by our Hispanic protestors. They get less attention from the MSM than the non-existing videos of violence at the Tea Parties.

Sarkazein said...

The GREAT UNITER Obama has the states at war with each other now.
POV, are you ready to write that you were wrong about Obama being a UNITER? WAY WRONG

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep,

I see you were unable (again) to answer my posts. I love it when you are forced to ignore my comments and essential truths. When you are unable to argue against what I say it makes you look like your substandard parents - weak and ineffective. You do well for our country though. Each and every time you and the other Troglydytes are beaten down with facts and tough questions, it furthers the conservative cause. Wanna take a crack at one of my tough questions? LOL! Of course you don't. How can I, or any freedom lover, expect you to do anything else but whine and blather on with inconsequential "filler"? LOL!

You are a fluff artist on this site for the real heavies who need to rally for the cause! LOL! How does Liberal Socialist Sheep Fluffer POV sound for a name? Your parents would be extremely proud that you have finally found something that you do well at- fluffing the literary fires FOR conservatives!!! LOL!!

Well, fluffer, I appreciate the "help" you have provided us all. I will need your services tomorrow on this and the first thread.

Tell Cheerleader, Shylock, and the other losers on Watauga Watch that we need additional fluffers over here. LOL!!!

Your dearest pal

Johnny Rico

Honest Debate said...

Evidently, the bill makes it a State law to be an illegal immigrant in Arizona. I guess that's what NPR meant. It's still a stupid way to put it.

With amnesty next up on Obama's agenda this event in Arizona puts the issue front and center. I'm not sure if that's good or bad in regards to 2010.

Obama's plan is clear, divide America. Not surprisingly, he will paint any opposition as racist. All of Arizona is now racist.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

"POV- I beg to differ. Illegals are being returned by the hundreds as we write."

I don't question your statment, I say you're right, but the total number here continues to rise.

We do need real immagration reform and revenge should play no part.

The current conservative position is blocking what we all agree on reform is needed. What we disagree on is those already here.

Liberal POV said...

HD

"All of Arizona is now racist"

I think I'm correct that now the majority of residents in Arizona now are non white.

Conservatives and the Republican Party will be easy to paint as Grumpy Old People with racist tendences and a polices state mentality on this issues damaging any future growth of this political party.

Go for it ! March to the cliff.

Honest Debate said...

See there everybody? Lib's got his marching orders and he's running with them.

Hey Lib, now that we've established Arizona is racist we should add Texas. There's a lot of Republicans running the place. Can't we also add the entire South? Let's say everything below the Mason-Dixon line.

guy faulkes said...

It is telling that Liberalproverbs18:2 is saying that if the majority of Arizona is not white, that it will be much easier to play the race card to achieve the liberal agenda. As this is Obama's campaign strategy, once again Liberalproverbs18:2 has fallen in step with his masters.

Liberal POV said...

HD and Guy

I believe it's the conservatives pushing harsh immigration laws and blocking real reform.
Its the conservatives that will turn most of Americans to the Democrats to avoid the extremist that now control the Republican party like Ms Foxx.

The Republican Party is without leadership letting wind bags control the agenda while selling snake oil.

Honest Debate said...

Thanks for clearing that up Lib.

guy faulkes said...

Liberalproverbs18:2, do you ever look at a scientific poll? If you do, you either do not understand it or put your thumbs in your ears, your fingers over your eyes, and start chanting La La La La La as loud as you can in denial.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

"It is telling that Liberalproverbs18:2 is saying that if the majority of Arizona is not white, that it will be much easier to play the race card to achieve the liberal agenda."

Try to think a little deeper.

The non whites of Arizona will remember how unjust the conservatives like you were. They will remember how you conservatives treated their parents and grandparents calling for deportaion. This lesson has already been played out in Califorina, Texas and New Mexico will be next.

How will American history read when hispanics order Texas school books? Will they be more accurate than the conservatives ordering those books today? How will those books decribe the send them back conservative Republicans of today?

Some of you may have your brown eyed grandchild bring one of those High School history books to your nursing home to study about how his parent was treated by old farts like you.

oatz said...

American will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter or lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. ~ Abraham Lincoln

Johnny Rico said...

Socialist Fluffer Sheep,

I see you loved my fluffer analogy! LOL! I was laughing for several minutes last night. My boyfriend thought it was funny too - he says you must already be messed up mentally to take such abuse. I agree, and I feel a bit sorry for you, however you do deserve most of the bashings you get. LOL!!!



Johnny Rico

Judy

Liberal POV said...

oatz said...
American will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter or lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. ~ Abraham Lincoln

True! Why would you support things like human rights abuse, torture and the new Arizona Law?

guy faulkes said...

So now Liberalproverbs18:2 is defending the use of the race card. He thinks one should not be concerned with the issues, only with race. He does not understand why people of all races are turning from the liberal agenda. He does not even know that the majority of Border Patrol agents assigned ot the southern border are Hispanic.

Liberals cannot win on issues. Their only chance is to sow divisiveness.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

" He does not even know that the majority of Border Patrol agents assigned ot the southern border are Hispanic. "

Are those agents calling for mass deportation?

Do those agents want real reform to make their jobs achievable?

Johnny Rico said...

If Arizona is mostly Hispanic, then how come 70% of all calls and letters encouraged the Governor to sign the bill? If Arizona is mostly Hispanic, then how did this Governor get elected? If Arizona is mostly Hispanic, then wouldn't the Governor be scared of not being re-elected by passing this bill as well as the concealed weapons bill two weeks ago? You see, you make no sense. Arizona is still mostly white, and, believe it or not, many Hispanics there are CONSERVATIVE. I love it when conservative blacks, hispanics, and women give it to you fluffer types. You have that typically stupid look on your sallow faces when a fringe left possibility is able to think for him/herself. Love it!!!!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

PS This is exactly why the liberal socialists at Watauga Watch banned me


Tough questions, tough questions

Sarah

guy faulkes said...

Are those agents calling for mass deportation? Yes, of illegal aliens.

Do those agents want real reform to make their jobs achievable? Yes they want to be free to enforce the law and do their jobs instead of being shut down by the Obama administration.

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

"If Arizona is mostly Hispanic, then how come 70% of all calls and letters encouraged the Governor to sign the bill?"

You're right I've confused Arizona with New Mexico.
The Hispanic population in Arizona is only 30%.

It may take another 20 years for the Hispanic population to out number whites in Arizona. The Arizona conservatives still have plenty of time to be assholes.

Blogger said...

Doesn’t it push all your buttons when someone hoists a sign saying “we are all immigrants.” Dumb! We may all be immigrants, but we are legal immigrants. That's a big difference.

Liberal POV said...

Blogger

"We may all be immigrants, but we are legal immigrants. "

When did it become Illeagal to cross the border from Mexico or Canada to work or live?

What are the legal steps a person from Mexico would need to take to be a legal resident?


Perhaps you could get Ms Foxx to explain how this is done.

Blogger said...

Can anyone explain what POV is saying and asking here?

guy faulkes said...

Liberalproverbs18:2, I answered both of those questions. I beleive it was over a year ago. Go back and find the answers.

Now answer the questions I asked you.

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV Fluffer,

Thanks for fluffing us up with your idiotic posts that say nothing!! I am at full service now. So now you are saying that New Mexico is mostly Hispanic and that they don't want the same immigration reform as Arizona? Are you crazy. New Mexico is full of ranchers and conservatives who despise illegal aliens. The only reason they don't do something like Arizona is because they have far fewer numbers of illegal aliens crossing their relatively short border. Rest assured though, that your HOPES for American disent on AZ immigration reform won't come from New Mexico. Too many armed drug loads coming across in the bootheel section of the state due south of Lordsburg. Also, the New Mexico Highway Patrol regularly turns over illegal aliens to ICE in that state.

In other words, I am calling you the Troglydyte idiot that you are. You are so stupid that your parents didn't even know you!! LOL!!! You are beaten at every turn by freedom lovers. Hard to win when your not right!!! LOL!!!

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Billy

Liberal POV said...

Blogger

When did it become Illeagal to cross the border from Mexico or Canada to work or live?

What are the legal steps a person from Mexico would need to take to be a legal resident?


Perhaps you could get Ms Foxx to explain how this is done.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px5sTw_TBRg&feature=related


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fppe85TQ9Fc&feature=related

Oatz said...

WOW just look at the Mexican consulates web site to see the "Documents" all Americans including children must have to "visit" dear old Mexico, kind of reminds me of Natzi Germany show me your papers! But Hell Liberal POV whats the point you will not look it up yourself anyway.

Oatz said...

First you apply for a VISA not the credit card Liberal POV.

guy fauleks said...

When did it become Illeagal to cross the border from Mexico or Canada to work or live?

What are the legal steps a person from Mexico would need to take to be a legal resident?


These questions have been answered before.

When are you going to answer the questions about how "assault rifles and sniper rifles function differently from hunting rifles? How about their relative power? How about the racism of gun laws?

Sarkazein said...

The president of the Arizona Sheriff's Association said today that Obama is "undermining the law". He also said his citizens have become less safe since Obama took office.

Sarkazein said...

Obama in a speech recently read "make them speak English". Something liberals have fought tooth and nail for 2 decades. Obama lied!

Liberal POV said...

Sunshine ( Sark )

"Obama in a speech recently read "make them speak English". Something liberals have fought tooth and nail for 2 decades. Obama lied!"

Do you suggest that new undocumented American residents don't want to learn english or that some law is required to get them to learn english?

People of Latin American countries as well as countries around the world want to learn the second language of English. I don't know how you have traveled of if you have traveled but young people around the world want to practice english with Americans.

The sad part is we in American don't insist our young people learn a second language.

How many of you in the Tea Party Mob believe the new immigrants have little desire to learn english?

These new immagrants know the fustration of not being understood, not understanding instruction, not being able to communicate with a child's teacher, making lower wages because of not speaking english.

Damn you people are soo silly.

oatz said...

I need a Liberal to English translator...."
Do you suggest that new undocumented American residents don't want to learn english or that some law is required to get them to learn english?" says Liberal POV are you speaking of Illegal Aliens?

Any comments on Mexican immigration laws for Americans? Mexican authorities impose fines and imprisonment for any illegal in Mexico that partakes of political speech or demonstrations.

Where are your comarisions to Natzi Germany liberal POV or is your self loathing only for America?

Liberal POV said...

Oatz

"Any comments on Mexican immigration laws for Americans?"

As an Americans I concern myself with what our political leaders do. Mexico has never been the model of Democracy that the US has. Is it your suggestion we need similar immigration laws to Mexico?

I have been to Mexico several times and never been harassed by the police.

guy faulkes said...

Utah,Georgia,Colorado, Maryland, Ohio, Texas, Missouri,Oklahoma, Nebraska, and North Carolina are all working on legislation either mirroring or similar to that passed in Arkansas.

It has been said that there is a 95% chance it will be introduced in North Carolina, but it will probably have a difficult time getting out of committee as have other popular bills such as the Castle Doctrine and a bill allowing concealed handguns to be carried in restaurants that serve alcohol. However, this one may cost some liberal politicians their seats even in areas considered safe. The economy is such that people are tired of illegal aliens stealing their jobs, even if they are yellow dog Democrats.

Liberal POV said...

Tea Party Mob

I suggest you watch or read the Old John Steinbeck book or movie "Grapes of Wrath".

"Okie use' ta mean you was from Oklahoma. Now it means you're a dirty son-of-a-bitch. Okie means you're scum. Don't mean nothing itself, it's the way they say it."
The Grapes of Wrath
Chapter 18

How do you in the Tea Bag mob say the words Illegal Alien?

"It ain't that big. The whole United States ain't that big. It ain't that big. It ain't big enough. There ain't room enough for you an' me, for your kind an' my kind, for rich and poor together all in one country, for thieves and honest men. For hunger and fat.
The Grapes of Wrath
Chapter 12

"And the great owners, who must lose their land in an upheaval, the great owners with access to history, with eyes to read history and to know the great fact: when property accumulates in too few hands it is taken away. And that companion fact: when a majority of the people are hungry and cold they will take by force what they need. And the little screaming fact that sounds through all history: repression works only to strengthen and knit the repressed."
The Grapes of Wrath
Chapter 19

"The migrant people, scuttling for work, scrabbling to live, looked always for pleasure, dug for pleasure, manufactured pleasure, and they were hungry for amusement."
The Grapes of Wrath
Chapter 23

"How can you frighten a man whose hunger is not only in his own cramped stomach but in the wretched bellies of his children? You can't scare him--he has known a fear beyond every other."
The Grapes of Wrath
Chapter 19

"The migrant people, scuttling for work, scrabbling to live, looked always for pleasure, dug for pleasure, manufactured pleasure, and they were hungry for amusement."
The Grapes of Wrath
Chapter 23

Liberal POV said...

Tea Party Mob

Another " Grapes of Wrath" Quote that applies to today's undocumented residents.

"You and me got sense. Them Okies got no sense and no feeling. They ain't human. Human being wouldn't live the way they do. Human being couldn't stand to be so miserable. "

Guy you and your good Christian Tea Party Mob want to keep working to make life as miserable a possible for our undocumentd neighbors?

guy fualkes said...

I see Liberalproverbs18:2 is forgetting about those that have had their jobs stolen by illegal aliens.

As long as you are a terrorist, a criminal, a pervert, or a non-citizen of the United States that puts this country down. Liberalproverbs18:2 is your fan.

Any comments on the additional states planning to address the illegal alien problem on the state level?

Liberal POV said...

Guy

"I see Liberalproverbs18:2 is forgetting about those that have had their jobs stolen by illegal aliens."

The desperate "Okies " were seen the same way in California.

Guy you and your good Christian Tea Party Mob want to keep working to make life as miserable a possible for our undocumented neighbors?

Do we have any Good Christian ministers reading this that could tell us if God is an American?

Could God be an Illegal alien?

oatz said...

Wow Liberal POV really take it out there in left field on the God question, but since you care nothing for Mexican laws and as a Gringo in Mexico you were never harrassed then all must be good. Are you working to change the Mexican economy to make crossing less attractive? Arizona law mirrors Federal law it just gives the local police autority to do Federal Law enforcments work since it refuses to do immigration work.

oatz said...

The AP reported:

Many of the cars that once stopped in the Home Depot parking lot to pick up day laborers to hang drywall or do landscaping now just drive on by.

Arizona’s sweeping immigration bill allows police to arrest illegal immigrant day laborers seeking work on the street or anyone trying to hire them. It won’t take effect until summer but it is already having an effect on the state’s underground economy.

“Nobody wants to pick us up,” Julio Loyola Diaz says in Spanish as he and dozens of other men wait under the shade of palo verde trees and lean against a low brick wall outside the east Phoenix home improvement store.

Many day laborers like Diaz say they will leave Arizona because of the law, which also makes it a state crime to be in the U.S. illegally and directs police to question people about their immigration status if there is reason to suspect they are illegal immigrants.

Supporters of the law hope it creates jobs for thousands of Americans.

“We want to drive day labor away,” says Republican Rep. John Kavanagh, one of the law’s sponsors.

An estimated 100,000 illegal immigrants have left Arizona in the past two years as it cracked down on illegal immigration and its economy was especially hard hit by the Great Recession.

The law is so appalling that seven other states are now talking about passing similar legislation.

Liberal POV said...

Oatz

Is it your mission to like many other good Christians in Tea Party Mob to keep working to make life as miserable a possible for our undocumented neighbors?

We do need reform but not revenge aimed at our neighbors that happen to be undocumented.

""Okie use' ta mean you was from Oklahoma. Now it means you're a dirty son-of-a-bitch. Okie means you're scum. Don't mean nothing itself, it's the way they say it."
The Grapes of Wrath
Chapter 18

guy faules said...

Is it your mission to like many other good Christians in Tea Party Mob to keep working to make life as miserable a possible for our undocumented neighbors?

The mission is to prevent these criminals from stealing jobs, using services they do not pay for and flaunting their noses at the rule of law. This includes punishment for people that would exploit them as would you with your underage illegal aliens being used as prostitutes.

You overlook one important difference between the Oakies of theSteinbeck book and the illegal aliens. The Oakies were not criminals. The illegal aliens are. Hence the word illegal. The Oakies did not smuggle drugs from a foreign country.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

The Grapes of Wrath Message, " The law is not fair, it is not logical and it is motivated by money. Without collective bargaining those on the lower rungs of the social ladder will be abused by those above them much of the time. Those who have no compassion and are motivated only by money and as always with money comes power. Sad to say but there remain many, far too many, that are of that mind-set as we breathe."

Liberal POV said...

Guy

If you read the book or watch the movie you will see the Okies ( Joad Family ) were in constant fear of the law.

Liberal POV said...

Good Christian Tea Party Mob

What does your religion say about political borders?

Does your humanity stop at the border?

Reader said...

Lib, please tell me your solution.

By the way, I want to thank you for mentioning God and christians in a lot of your comments.

Liberal POV said...

Reader

Allow those that can show proof of living in the USA for more than three years with adults showing proof of working have access to full citizenship over time ten years or fifteen years with if criminal activity and limited use of welfare system, some may already be eligible.

Continue to let in a CONTROLLED number each year with training programs on American law responsibilities like safe driving, Drug laws, drinking and driving, Insurance requirements and financial education, credit, banking and taxes.

Stiff penalties on employers employing anyone not legally here. The US government must know who is inside the country by some means. Banking information, driver license, housing these are the reforms needed. Its unjust to impose this now after 30 plus years of almost encouraging these people to come in as cheap second class labor.

Revenge and words spoken with dehumanizing tones of Illegal aliens, criminals has no place in this debate.

I hope you will separate yourself from those using such terms and tones.

Make no mistake we do need just reform of immigration laws.

Blogger said...

"I have been to Mexico several times and never been harassed by the police".POV wrote.

What did you do, stay in your four star hotel room the whole time?

Did you try to drive around? I was stopped and my car was searched on the road to Cuernavaca.

The last time I drove in Mexico city, I was stopped by police. Because I forgot to find out ahead of time what the going bribe (mordida) was I gave too much. Paying too much of a bribe made me madder than the fact they stopped me.

Even when I drove across the border into Mexico, I missed one border station. I was 50 miles down the road when I was stopped and they made me go all the way back to the border to get the proper papers. That time I did know what the bribe was and stuck it in my passport. It facilitated my paper work by hours.

Mike D. said...

Rico,

"PS" stands for "Post Script", so "PSS" would be "Post Script Script". Did you mean "PPS", or "Post Post Script"?

Also, it's "jeopardy", not "jeapordy". That brain of yours drives too fast sometimes, man!

guy faulkes said...

Liberalprovebs18:2, they are criminals. They should be deported if they are not here legally. End of story. Those that hire them should also face severe penalties, especially those that exploit them with below minimum wage pay or force underage girls into prostitution.

Where did you get your three year number from? Is that the amount of time it would take to age out the underage prostitutes you support? Exactly how old do you go?

Anonymous said...

Guy

You make a good face for todays republican party, extreme, out of touch with reality, dishonest, not interested in real honest debate to find answers to real problems, focused of imagery non issues.

You believe more gun rights will solve all of todays complex problems.

You're a sucker for evangelist of fear and hate.

You buy the lies about ACORN an organization to give political power to the poorest of Americans.

You feel empowered by making life more difficult for the weakest among us.

guy faulkes said...

Anonymous, which of the videos showing ACORN's trying to aid people in breaking the law do you not believe? Please explain why the ACORN employees shown in these videos were fired. Also, please explain why you do not agree with the rule of law. Why do you want criminals to not only not be punished, but do not want them to be arrested, and in fact, want to reward them? Why do you wish to let these criminals steal jobs from teh citizens of this country? Why do you want the citizens of this country to have to provide services for theses criminals? What percent of our prison population is comprised of these illegal aliens?

By the way, Liberalproverbs18:2, you should change your rhetoric and syntax if you are trying to disguise who you are. Why did you do this? Are you ashamed of who you are? I could certainly understand it if you are.

Liberal POV said...

Guy and Tea Party Mob

ACORN Truth if you care about the truth.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/09/23/AR2009092303679.html

http://www.acorn.org/index.php?id=17855

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdNgMKPV9xQ

http://veracitystew.com/2010/04/08/acorn-vindicated-but-the-truth-no-longer-matters/

guy faulkes said...

I went to your propoganda sites. They did nothing to disprove the videos I saw of ACORN misconduct. These videos actually showed the misconduct. As usual you cannot back up your claims.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Reality fails to meet your myths so reality must be wrong.

Republican Logic.

How old are the Appalachian Mountains? How far will you take your flat earth myths?

guy faulkes said...

Liberalproverbs18:2 you are not relevant to any serious conversation, as you refuse to back up your statements. Even if you try, you are unable to do so. However, you do provide the service of being the blog clown.

You gave me propaganda links. I referred to actual videos pf ACORN aiding people with proposed illegal activities.

Do you really think we should pay any attention to you?

Liberal POV said...

Guy

"Do you really think we should pay any attention to you?"

Hopefully not everyone who reads this blog are as extreme as you.

Sarkazein said...

MAY DAY protests in Greece turned violent yesterday as youths in gas masks and hoods set fire to vehicles, smashed shop fronts and threw molotov cocktails and rocks at police in an explosion of fury over austerity measures they claim will hurt only the poor.///

This is what happens when the well runs dry. Reality sets in, and those thinking they are owed by their government turn to anarchy. After the anarchy, either they are communists, or the country completely dies and is taken over by another.

The well is dry here.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

"The well is dry here."

The wealth is all still here It's just in too few hands.

The tax code may have to change back to what it was when Capitalism worked for all Americans and Unions demanded a living wage for workers.