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Monday, April 19, 2010

Could The Tide Be Turning? Probably Not But We Can Hope

There's no need to read this article beyond the headline. I linked it just to establish the author's Liberal creds. This is the one you need to read. A liberal writer from a liberal paper actually went to a tea party and wrote a fair piece. It's funny how something that should be expected seems special but that's where we are. In the beginning the press (and Obama) tried to dismiss the tea parties. When that didn't work they tried to discredit them. They then evolved to demonizing them and now they are into full fledged distortion. None of it has worked because it's all a lie. At some point will they realize how much credibility they are loosing? Could we be approaching that point? Even Timothy Geithner and Obama himself are showing signs, however small, of admitting the merits of the movement. Even Barbara Boxer is trying to get in on the enthusiasm. They may as well tell the truth, they've tried long enough to avoid it.


37 comments:

Oatz said...

Who bought this writer? Who did he vote for? Why did you give THIS racists blog time? Blah blah blah Liberal POV now lets here you spin this.

Sarkazein said...

One true characteristic of liberalism is to deny reality through political correctness. With that, liberals will never come around, but their rhetoric will soften.
Bill Clinton tying the Tea Party movement to The Oklahoma bombing may have been the peak.
Rush reminded me that McVeigh's only statement on why he did what he did was because of Bill Clinton's attack on Waco where 85 people were burned alive at Hillary Clinton's orders and this leading to the the death of Vincent Foster.

Honest Debate said...

Sark,

Dick Morris had an interesting comment about Janet Reno. He said she threaten to tell the truth about Waco if Clinton didn't keep her on as AG.

I disagree that liberals will never come around or more precisely the notion that it can't happen. It probably won't but it could if liberals (the press) come to believe the distortions are hurting them more than they are helping. It seems to me they are inching towards that reality.

Could they look any sillier? Of course they are shameless...and pathological liars...and smitten...and not all that interested in a truth that contradicts their ideology...and mean.......nevermind.

Sarkazein said...

First Lady hillary Clinton ordered the death assault on the Branch Davidians, let's see what Michelle does to top it.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

"First Lady hillary Clinton ordered the death assault on the Branch Davidians"

Okay, I'll bite, How did Hillary order the assualt after 51 days when she has no political office?

Sarkazein said...

My point exactly, POV. She did it through Vince Foster to Web Hubble (asst AG) to the brand new Janet Reno. Remember, it was a co-presidency... their words. Vince Foster, the one with a conscience, either killed himself shortly after or was killed shortly after. Notice NO heads rolled after the death of 85 American citizens. In anybodies book a disastrously failed mission.

Johnny Rico said...

Yes, Liberal Socialist Sheep POV- why do liberal socialists like you never seem to want to talk about dead women and children at the hands of the FBI? The Branch Davidians never committed any crimes, yet the fringe left is silent on this massacre.

Your ole pal

Johnny Rico

Liberal POV said...

Sark

I will agree with you it was not a proud moment for the FBI or the Clinton Admin but like lots of law inforcement actions the criminals have to take the blame even when bad law enforcement decisions are make. The best of my memory is the stand off had lasted for 50 days and perhaps with Janet Reno as you say was new to the job and being a woman there was political fear of looking weak so the hand was played to use force. Thr media was covering it on every news cycle.

What's the conservative view as to what should have been done?

oatz said...

Let’s not forget that the whole Waco fiasco was a botched mission from the start. And when it [literally] went up in flames, the Texas Rangers wanted to step in but were quickly pulled off the case by a governor who had presidential aspirations and was the darling of the DNC, Ann Richards, who allowed the nation’s worst AG in history to weave her lying web.

Now we are seeing the same stonewalling in the investigation into the Fort Hood shooter, Nidal Hassan. God forbid that it should be revealed that it was under the Obama administration that the investigation into Hassan’s communications with a jihadist was ended.

If the Democrats are good at anything, it is CYA and playing the blame game.

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep Said:

" the criminals have to take the blame even when bad law enforcement decisions are make."

How were they criminals? This is the crux of the arguement in the first place man. What did they do wrong? To this day, they have never found a prohibited weapon or anthing else that would lead to the assumption that the Branch Davidians were criminals. Remember, this started out as a raid by the ATF who said the Branch Davidians had automatic weapons.

After the compound burned to the ground with 85 victims, including women and innocent children, the ATF was stupid enough to lay their own weapons on a table and proclaim they had found automatic weapons!!! When called on it, they said they were showing "examples" of what they expected to find in the Branch Davidian compound. They never did, and the liberal news media made it go away.

Have you ever noticed how this event is NEVER mentioned. You would think that when 85 people are killed by law enforcement (imagine the innocent children roasting alive) that some national attention would be given to the event. Still nothing from the liberal left.

But the right sure hears, from the left, things like Columbine or Virginia Tech. Those events are brought forth regularly. How come Michael Moorer doesn't make one of his stupid movies with a title like "Bowling at Waco"? Why isn't he outraged that little kids felt intense pain and fear before they died? Answer that one for me.

Another one you never hear about is the Ruby Ridge fiasco. How come that one has left the collective memory of the fringe left media? Shooting an unarmed woman holding a baby is somehow kind of hard to justify isn't it.

Notice how another liberal administration is going after militias? Echos of both Ruby Ridge and Waco, don't you think. I hear one of the militia members who was apprehended a couple weeks back was a DEMOCRAT. Kind of hard to tie these guys to tea parties when you have fellow liberals in the bunch? How come we never hear about that.

As to the conservative view as to what should have been done. Well, nothing. They didn't do anything wrong. Why make a criminal out of someone if they didn't do anything wrong. They were different for sure, but who cares. If law enforcemnt wanted to investigate something, then why not do what the Texas Rangers recommended (the Texas Rangers would have nothing to do with the seige by the way). The Texas Rangers noted that David Koresch jogged daily outside the compound (funny, I thought he was paranoid according to the news media). Why not talk with him while he was out running? Or pick up a Davidian member shopping for groceries? Many other application of "soft power" at one's disposal. They did NONE of these.

Honest Debate said...

Nice work Johnny Rico!

Sarkazein said...

POV asks-"What's the conservative view as to what should have been done?"

You go right by Hillary as First Lady calling an end to the siege resulting in 85 deaths. You go right by the fact that Reno's head didn't roll, even though Bill Clinton when asked by the media, said the buck never got here go ask Reno. Liars and incompetents all, and you support them.

Liberal POV said...

Sark
"What's the conservative view as to what should have been done to prevent this? Now that you have 20 -20 hind site as to what didn't work?

Sarkazein said...

POV- can you imagine if Nancy Reagan had been tied into an operation that killed 85 American men women and children?

Sarkazein said...

POV asks- ""What's the conservative view as to what should have been done to prevent this?"


Read Johnny Rico's post above. Then add, Reno and Clinton should have been imprisoned for life.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

Don't give e me all the BS, I agree it went bad what would a conservative have done different? The FBI should be close to the same Democrat or Republicans same with the ATF.

"What's the conservative view as to what should have been done to prevent this? Now that you have 20 -20 hind site as to what didn't .

Honest Debate said...

Lib, stop.

Take Sarkazein's advice and read Johnny Rico's post. There really isn't much else to say as far as your questions regarding Waco.

Believe it or not Lib I'd really be interested in your take on the article by the liberal writer for the Washington Post regarding the tea partiers. Bill Clinton and his hideous comparison is relevant to the discussion. By extension Waco is too. That's fine. Try to tie it in with the current debate while this thread is still young.

In my opinion the distortion of the tea partiers is THE issue of the day. Are you completely disinterested the experience of one of your own? Aren't you the one clamoring for fair "journalism"? You've contributed nothing and jumped into the weeds. Do you realize what you are tacitly admitting by doing so?

Sarkazein said...

H.D- I see the Robert McCartney article as more insult than truth. He purposely mentions the Tea Party protestors and the Klan and Militias in the same sentences. He writes about "not all" of the protestors are bigots etc.
The obvious is the Tea Party people are middle America. He is trying to salvage as much anti-Tea Party as he can as the public is obviously seeing the real people at the Tea Parties.

He writes- " The rally, estimated in the tens of thousands, also displayed a wacky, irreverent spirit that I found endearing. I can't help but smile when paunchy small-business owners aged 50 and older don three-cornered hats and hoist rattlesnake flags in exercising their First Amendment right to peaceably assemble."

Pompous elitist @##%&($. He uses the word endearing rather than amuses.
In other words, I'm not convinced.

JR said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep,

You are a broken record. I answered your questions. You have nothing to say do you? 85 dead. Children roasting alive. No one seems to care that these children had a future they will never see because some liberal retard decided to get tough on the right.

I have to think if you were picking up the charred corpse of a child clinging to its mother that you would feel different. People like you ought to be made to go to scenes like that and extract bodies like Eisenhower made the town in Germany bury the dead Jews. That might just change your little mind.

You wail about places like Darfur or the Congo or Angola, yet turn your backs on a tradegy right here in the US that was swept under the rug long ago.

Tell you what. What if the FBI didn't start that fire and had made entry with their armored tanks. Don't you think it a bit weird that a supposedly highly trained unit like the Hostage Rescue Team would make a dynamic entry knowing dozens of children were inside? Outside of Russia or China, that kind of thing just doesn't happen. Yet it did here. No questions, no firings, no blame (except on the innocents), and no memory.

Your kind make me sick.

Johnny Rico said...

Thank you Honest Debate

Liberal POV said...
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Honest Debate said...

Sark,

I can't argue with your comments nor your assessment that he is a "Pompous elitist @##%&($". I might leave off the "@##%&($" because he stood in contrast to the constant drumbeat. It's nice to hear a paradiddle even if it's a little off beat.

I would reserve the "@##%&($" for this guy.

Sarkazein said...

H.D- Charles Blow... another race baiter in a $800 suit.

"I found the imagery surreal and a bit sad: the minorities trying desperately to prove that they were “one of the good ones”;-Blow

I didn't hear the interview with Laura Ingram, but I hear he couldn't back up his racist comments.

guy faulkes said...

Rico, that was one of the most insightful synopsis of the Waco incident I have read.

Liberalproverbs18:2, It was mentioned long before the siege that Koresh could have been picked up while jogging on when shopping in town. There is no 20-20 hindsight needed.

The ATF wanted a positive news story. They thought they could get in Waco. It is alleged they leaked the raid to the news media and that the Branch Dividians were informed. Things then went to pieces.

While the government has never admitted wrong doing in the Waco incident, The Weaver family was given a large cash settlement concerning the death of Vickie Weaver at Ruby Ridge.

As to the tide turning, I do not think so. I think that as time goes on the evidence that the Tea Party movement is not only legitimate,, but hugely influential that it can no longer be ignored. There has been no epiphany of understanding, only of grudging admission.

Liberal POV said...

Guy and Johnny

I said in a post April 20, 2010 2:53 PM that this was not a proud moment for the FBI or ATF. I agree the wrong decisions were made by someone in charge at Waco.

Even worst decisions were made at Ruby Ridge law enforcement can and does go rouge as is common in urban cities across America the difference was these people were in rural America and dealing with right wing extremist not urban poor.

Sarkazein said...

This is typical Liberal POV. His first Waco comment was: "Okay, I'll bite, How did Hillary order the assualt after 51 days when she has no political office?"

After I answered his question, by linking Hillary to the orders to "end it", he had no response, only distraction to the obvious: "I will agree with you it was not a proud moment for the FBI or the Clinton Admin but like lots of law inforcement actions the criminals have to take the blame..."

He has NO response to the point of the story, that a President of the United States allowed his unelected unofficial wife to direct policy that resulted in the deaths of so many. This happened because of Bill's personal life history and the hell he had to pay to her. Hillary put up with his "bimbo eruptions" and she called the shots when she wanted to as black-mail for his indiscretions. This put the government under Reno in a position NOT to be able to do anything about the outcome of the Mt Carmel failed operation, yet no response from POV, only distraction to the obvious. More deep thinking, or worst?

Honest Debate said...

Here you go Sark.

Honest Debate said...

"There has been no epiphany of understanding, only of grudging admission." -Guy Faulkes

Well put guy. Still, a grudging admission is more than we've gotten so far. I'll take it. Does it mean anything? "Probably not but we can hope."

Sarkazein said...

Since the White House put a gag order on the coverage of the gay people chained to the WH fence in protest of another Obama lie, I wonder if I will ever know if the protestors were actual military or just dressed in military uniform. Either way, it is illegal. Will they be charged with the UCMJ or will they be charged for impersonating an Armed Forces member? That may have been BikerBard on the far Left, maybe "he" would know.

Sarkazein said...

To add, if that is a Marine, Marines cannot wear their camies around town, so he's in real trouble... either way.

Johnny Rico said...

Liberal Socialist Sheep POV and Tricycle Lard,

Is that all you have to say about dead children in your own country. More forgetting, ignoring, not acknowledging and subterfuge by the left.

Funny, folks get banned from Watauga Watch for stating tough things like this!!! The left has problems!!

Johnny Rico

PS I won

Liberal POV said...

Johnny

How about those children in the day care at the federal building in Oakaloma City?

Let get this understood are you making excuses for the Okalama City terrorist act?

You sound a lot like Timothy McVeigh

Sarkazein said...

POV you wrote-"Johnny

How about those children in the day care at the federal building in Oakaloma City?

Let get this understood are you making excuses for the Okalama City terrorist act?

You sound a lot like Timothy McVeigh"

POV-There is absolutely NOTHING in Johnny Rico's comments in ANYWAY that relate to your comment.
You are imitating the impeached pervert lying coward Bill Clinton.
You should be ashamed, but Bill Clinton ended shame in this country. But I can tell you, you are a shame.

Johnny Rico said...

Thanks Sark. I won't address that as POVs depravity is deep and wide although his intellect is neither. When you get posts like that, it is easy to see why there is a growing movement to oust liberals in this country.

Liberal POV said...

Sark, Johnny, Right Wing Extremist

"POV-There is absolutely NOTHING in Johnny Rico's comments in ANYWAY that relate to your comment."


Johnny's comments

" You have nothing to say do you? 85 dead. Children roasting alive. No one seems to care that these children had a future they will never see because some liberal retard decided to get tough on the right.

"I have to think if you were picking up the charred corpse of a child clinging to its mother that you would feel different."

Liberal POV's Comments:

"How about those children in the day care at the federal building in Oakaloma City? "

"Let get this understood are you making excuses for the Okalama City terrorist act?

You sound a lot like Timothy McVeigh"

guy faulkes said...

Liberalproverbs18:2, and your point is? Are you saying that your foreign terrorist heroes are superior to domestic terrorists? Why do you defend one but not the other? Or should I ask why you only defend some domestic terrorists such as those that support voter intimidation and underage prostitution?

Liberal POV said...

Guy

"Why do you defend one but not the other? "

Neither should be tortured and both are entitled to a fair trial.