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Friday, April 2, 2010

Why Is Our Health Care The Best In The World?

This one's been bugging me for a while. the argument goes, "No one disputes the fact that we have the best most talented doctors, it's the availability that is at issue". Here are a couple of examples from another thread entitled The best health care in the world.

"Within the borders of the United States we have some of the best if not the best medical treatment for specific aliments in the world." -LiberalPOV

"I don't think I've heard anyone on Capitol Hill claim that either the quality of America's care or the talent of our physicians are lacking in any way. The issue is simply that administrative [sic]inneficiencies, suit-fearing redundancies and inhumane coverage decisions have rendered true quality care either unaffordable or [sic]inaccessable for a large portion of our citizens." -Anonymous

The thread was about the Canadian Premier who opted to have surgery in America. The above examples were typical of the responses across the media.

Insofar as availability goes, doctors have threatened to quit practice if the bill passed. So there's that.

Why does America have the best doctors, treatments and quality of care in the world? Does it happen in a vacuum? Is it a "talent" Americans are predisposed to? Or could it be capitalism? Mothers often want their children to grow up and be doctors because it's the gold standard of success. Certainly they want to heal the world but they mainly define success as making money. Doctors make lots of money. The best doctors make the most money. The more specialized risk-laden practices bring the really big bucks. The zealousness of the pursuit for the almighty dollar is directly related to the best health care in the world ...or at least it used to be.

58 comments:

Liberal POV said...

HD

I like the post but you got carried away.

"Why does America have the best doctors, treatments and quality of care in the world?"

The statement should read.

"Why does America have SOME of the best doctors, treatments and quality of care in the world?"

Many areas of rural America would rate far below that of other developed countries.

I do agree that doctors should be well compensated
For their services and have more free time with families.

Doctors need far less time spent filing for insurance payment.

I'm still trying to get doctors paid for procedures done last Nov. Insurance was in place and will eventually be paid but the waste in time and billing huge requiring phone calls and phone calls.

Look at Canada or France objectively with an open mind.

Liberal POV said...

HD

When did Canada, France and the UK quit being free market countries?

Honest Debate said...

"...some of the best if not the best..."

-LiberalPOV's quote from the original post

Liberal POV said...

HD

As long as we acknowledge that America is not the only country in the world with highly trained dedicated medical professionals. We have no monopoly of professional medical professionals.

Oatz said...

The Florida Sentinel reported:

A doctor who considers the national health-care overhaul to be bad medicine for the country posted a sign on his office door telling patients who voted for President Barack Obama to seek care “elsewhere.”

“I’m not turning anybody away — that would be unethical,” Dr. Jack Cassell, 56, a Mount Dora urologist and a registered Republican opposed to the health plan, told the Orlando Sentinel on Thursday. “But if they read the sign and turn the other way, so be it.”

The sign reads: “If you voted for Obama … seek urologic care elsewhere. Changes to your healthcare begin right now, not in four years.”

Estella Chatman, 67, of Eustis, whose daughter snapped a photo of the typewritten sign, sent the picture to U.S. Rep. Alan Grayson, the Orlando Democrat who riled Republicans last year when he characterized the GOP’s idea of health care as, “If you get sick, America … Die quickly.”

Chatman said she heard about the sign from a friend referred to Cassell after his physician recently died. She said her friend did not want to speak to a reporter but was dismayed by Cassell’s sign.

“He’s going to find another doctor,” she said.

Cassell may be walking a thin line between his right to free speech and his professional obligation, said William Allen, professor of bioethics, law and medical professionalism at the University of Florida’s College of Medicine.

Liberal POV said...

Oatz


Thanks for posting the above It shows republicans as mean sprited, spitefull and sore losers all of which I've been saying.

Honest Debate said...

"As long as we acknowledge that America is not the only country in the world with highly trained dedicated medical professionals." -LiberalPOV

I didn't say only I said best.

Wolf's Head said...

"When did Canada, France and the UK quit being free market countries?" LPOV

When they became socialist central directed countries. DUH.

The US DOES have the best health care period! It may not be in every one horse town in the US but neither is McDonald's. Everyone can access it. It may take time or money but here's a News Flash LPOV, EVERYTHING ELSE DOES ALSO!

Don't you lefties get tired of US bashing? Is there no end to your hate speech?

Liberal POV said...

HD

I hope you're right what's your prove? What do you basce that on?

Liberal POV said...

Wolf


"Everyone can access it."

With the new Health Care Bill this is very close to being true.

Liberal POV said...

Wolf

"When they became socialist central directed countries. DUH."

Is crime lower in Canada?

Are few Canadian Citizens per capatia behind bars?

I drug use lower in Canada than the USA?

Does Canada have fewer sucides per capatia?

Have fewer Canadian families had to declare bankruptcy because of medical bills?

Is Canada well respected by world communities?

Does Canada have a well established middle class?

Does Canada have a market ecomony with leading world corporations? Answer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_of_Canada

If Canada is a socialist country the down side is what?

Oatz said...

“We must not revert to isolationism and unrestrained economic egotism… Excessive intervention in economic activity and blind faith in the state’s omnipotence is another possible mistake. True, the state’s increased role in times of crisis is a natural reaction to market setbacks. Instead of streamlining market mechanisms, some are tempted to expand state economic intervention to the greatest possible extent… In the 20th century, the Soviet Union made the state’s role absolute. In the long run, this made the Soviet economy totally uncompetitive. This lesson cost us dearly. I am sure nobody wants to see it repeated.”

Russian Prime Minister Vladamir Putin
Opening ceremony of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland
January 28, 2009

Even Russian President Vlad Putin warned the US about socialism last year:

Too bad the Democrats wouldn’t listen… Or, maybe they listened but just didn’t care.
Whatever the reason, the Russian News Service RIA Novosti still thinks America is transforming into a Soviet style economy, via Big Government.

U.S. President Barack Obama has finally brought America closer to European universal healthcare systems. It took him almost a year to persuade Congress to approve his healthcare reform. The House approved it by a majority of only seven votes (219 to 212) on March 21. The amended bill will be submitted to the Senate but this will be a sheer formality, since the Senate is dominated by Democrats and the endorsement procedure has already been agreed upon.

The 44th U.S. president could sign the bill this week. He will then go down in history not only as the first black president, but also as the first “red” president: Obama’s Republican opponents maintain that the bill is too socialist.

The European genes implanted into the American medical insurance system will not make it similar to that of Britain, Sweden or even neighboring Canada. Even Obama could not dare to be so radically socialist. However, his reform is truly historic, albeit only for America.

Europeans may mock it as pathetic since they adopted medical insurance systems decades ago. Russia also has such a system. Indicatively, one of the most vicious opponents of Obama’s reform, Republican Devin Nunes, accused the bill of continuing the failed Soviet experiment. He was overly emotional but there is a grain of truth in what he said.

Even Russia continues to mock the nation’s leaders for their failed economic policies.
How’s that for hope and change?

Wolf's Head said...

"If Canada is a socialist country the down side is what?" LPOV

That you are not there.

Liberal POV said...

Wolf

Does that mean you are unable to give truthful answers or real debate?

Wolf's Head said...

LPOV, asking irrelevant questions is how you hijack these threads into generalisms and balderdash.

Everyone here gives you specific answers and questions, and you respond by trips to the Outer Limits in equating everything in the world to how things are here in the US.

Canada is fine if you like Canada. That does not mean the US should become it because you think it's "wonderful" there.

Your misdirection and refusal to answer in reasoned debate classifies you as a Troll, and your pathetic attempts at specious non-sequesters are becoming quite pathetic.

I'm sure posting here is cheaper than therapy, but it is really not accomplishing anything for you.

Liberal POV said...

Wolf

The fact is truthful answers would not match your myths.

Oatz said...

I love it Liberal POV everyone here asks you point blank questions that you flat out refuse to answer. Our Health Care system is the best in the world because of the INDIVIDUALS not the COLLECTIVE. Yes we need regulations to prevent Bad drugs or shoddy medical schools. But quite Frankly the Government creates these problems price controls, no nation wide Health Insurance plans, no tort reform, no enforcement on immigration, and many more issues. Yet we are to trust more Government intervention from a man who doesn't release his school records, has never run a for profit business, voted present rather than take a stand, has spent more money created more debt in one year than ALL the previous administrations COMBINED with another 6% of our economy?

Then when CEOs of major corporations follow the laws set by Government and accurately report the costs of Health Care reform and restate earnings the CEOs are vilified as partisan hacks. This from the Uniter President?

Liberal POV said...

Oatz

Can you answer these questions honestly?

Is crime lower in Canada?

Are few Canadian Citizens per capatia behind bars?

Is drug use lower in Canada than the USA?

Does Canada have fewer sucides per capatia?

Have fewer Canadian families had to declare bankruptcy because of medical bills?

Is Canada well respected by world communities?

Does Canada have a well established middle class?

Do Canadaian kids try to mass murder fellow class mates?

Is something wrong in American society?



Does Canada have a market ecomony with leading world corporations? Answer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_of_Canada

If Canada is a socialist country the down side is what?

Sarkazein said...

POV, you to can be a Canuck

Sarkazein said...

POV asks-"Is something wrong in American society?"


Incremental liberalism. The more spreading through our society, the worst society gets.

Oatz said...

Does Canada force French on people? YES!

Does Canada have suicide?
Yes!

Why are so many Canadians "hiding out" in Hollywood if Canada is so great.

Why is Michael Moore doing his production work in Canada to avoid unions in America?

Why does the sun shine?

Why do you think America is such a horrible place, yet you still live here?

Will there EVER be any factual based answers or discussions in any position you take?

Oatz said...

Can Obama pronounce Corpsman?

Oatz said...

CBS News reported:
53% of Americans reject the democrat’s takeover of the health care industry.
Only 32% support their plan.

Sarkazein said...

Can you say Methamphetamine?

Reader said...

Did you see this comment after the article, Sark?

"Q: What do Drudge, Limbaugh, Hannity, and Beck all have in common?

Easy. NONE of them are sucking off the government. NONE of them want the government to do anything other than what they are supposed to do according to the Constitution. Basically, provide national defense and protect our God-given rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

It doesn't take a college education to figure that out."

Sarkazein said...

Reader-
Yes, I saw the comment. Lefties are such snobs and elitists.

Sarkazein said...

Reader-

I just watched the video of Obama answering the question about increased taxes. I'm telling you, he is STONED, really. He is under the influence.

Sarkazein said...

Texas case could decide health care reform suit
State officials argue a 1992 ruling on school gun possession is relevant
By DAN FREEDMAN
WASHINGTON BUREAU
April 3, 2010
A Texas high school student's decision to bring a .38-caliber handgun to school in 1992 could end up at the center of the legal fight over President Barack Obama's health care reform plan.
Alfonso Lopez Jr.'s arrest at Edison High School in San Antonio set in motion a legal battle that may prove crucial to 13 state attorneys general fighting the new law.
Lopez, a senior when he was arrested for handgun possession in March 1992, ended up facing federal charges of violating the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990. But the Supreme Court, on a 5-4 vote, threw out his conviction five years later on the grounds that Congress exceeded its regulatory authority under the Constitution when it approved the 1990 law, which makes it a violation of federal law to possess a firearm in a school zone.///

Liberal POV said...

Sark and Guy

Is it now the conservative position that students should be allowed to bring weapons to school?

Where do you draw the line on weapons that should not be allowed by the general public?

Assault military style weapons you define? Sniper weapons, Anti Air Craft weapons, land mines, Tanks?

Sarkazein said...

We have the best doctors here because they are individuals and not a part of a collective mindset. Doctors migrate from around the world to the US as individuals seeking freedom to do many different things... their choice in other words. Whether their choice is financial reward, being the best, practicing what they want, it is INDIVIDUALISM giving us the best doctors in the world. The Left attacks individualism and individualism is from the spirit of man, not the legislation of a collection of men.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

The term "United We Stand Divided We Fall "is a socialist term?

Would you support your statement "We have the best doctors here because they are individuals and not a part of a collective mindset" with some real data as to it being factual?

I would certainly agree with a statement "we have some of the world's best doctors and hospitals" but not the world's best health care system.

Great medical care is not exclusive to the United States to suggest so is arrogant and ugly Americanism.

Liberal POV said...

Oatz

I see you couldn't answer the questions I posted honestly and keep your myths.

Would you like to try once again?

Can you answer these questions honestly?

Is crime rate lower in Canada?

Are few Canadian Citizens per capatia behind bars?

Is drug use lower in Canada than the USA?

Does Canada have fewer sucides per capatia?

Have fewer Canadian families had to declare bankruptcy because of medical bills?

Is Canada well respected by world communities?

Does Canada have a well established middle class?

Do Canadaian kids try to mass murder fellow class mates as often as we in America have experienced?

Is something wrong in American society?

Does Canada have a market ecomony with leading world corporations? Answer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_companies_of_Canada

If Canada is a socialist country the down side is what?

Liberal POV said...

Oatz

What is the life expectance and infant mortality of Canada compared to the US?

Thirty years of conservative politics seem to be taking a toll.

Tax cuts for the rich and war don't seem to be helping ordinary Americans.

Too many Americans live poor and vote rich.

Sarkazein said...

POV wrote-" "United We Stand Divided We Fall "

Have you no shame?

guy faulkes said...

Liberalproverbs18:2, your question on whether high school students should be able to carry guns is one I have often considered. I have know many young people that compete in combat pistol matches that I would trust with a handgun more than I would 95% of police officers. Some of these young people are not even in high school. Of course these youngsters have been trained in gun safety from the time before they could walk, are very mature, and are trained in gun handling by their parents. As most liberal parents are delinquent in providing this training and because many are not capable of providing it due to their lack of both knowledge of guns and their own maturity, it is not possible to make a blanket statement about when a person should be able to carry before he is a voting citizen. Once he gains the recognition of being able to vote, he should be able to exercise his rights just as any other citizen should.

Now, answer the questions about guns you keep running from. I answered yours. Answer mine or admit you are a coward and full of male bovine fecal matter.

No Compromise said...

POV,
The Texas case was NOT about whether or not HS students should be allowed to carry guns to school. The case was about the Feds. ignoring the Constitution.

Liberal POV said...

No Compromise

Every President, US Congress, and every state legislature has faced Constitutional challenges this is why we have a third leg of Government called the US Supreme Court and an organization called the ACLU who defend the US Constitution.

Most of the time the conservatives are whining about activist judges in civil rights case or religious cases.

The current Supreme Court is very conservative and The ACLU will defend the Constitution against the Obama administration or this congress as they have every administration.
I suggest you consider joining the ACLU.

Sarkazein said...

"...is why we have a third leg of Government called the US Supreme Court..."-POV

No Compromise said...

POV said "The current Supreme Court is very conservative and The ACLU will defend the Constitution against the Obama administration or this congress as they have every administration."

Please explain that sentence, because it doesn't make shit for sense to me.

Sarkazein said...

POV- Since no one in the history of history has referred to the US Supreme Court as "the third leg of government", I am proud to announce your first original thought.

Sarkazein said...

POv- Is this why they call our form of government a Tripodarchy?

Liberal POV said...

No Compromise and Sark

This is basic civic.


"Executive Branch
The executive branch of the government is responsible for enforcing the laws of the land. The president, vice president, department heads (cabinet members), and heads of independent agencies carry out this mission.
Judicial Branch
Courts decide arguments about the meaning of laws and how they are applied. They also decide if laws violate the Constitution—this is known as judicial review, and it is how federal courts provide checks and balances on the legislative and executive branches.
Legislative Branch
Article I of the Constitution establishes the legislative or law making branch of government. It has a two-branch Congress—the Senate and the House of Representatives—and agencies that support Congress."

http://www.usa.gov/Agencies/federal.shtml

Oatz said...

The Hill reported:

Four in 10 Tea Party members are either Democrats or Independents, according to a new national survey.

The findings provide one of the most detailed portraits to date of the grassroots movement that started last year.

The national breakdown of the Tea Party composition is 57 percent Republican, 28 percent Independent and 13 percent Democratic, according to three national polls by the Winston Group





Oops! Liberal POV your assumptions are wrong AGAIN!

Liberal POV said...

No Compromise and Sark


Another view of the three branches of American Government.

Currently the US Supreme is weighted with 5 conservative justices and 4 moderate to liberal Justices.

Hopefully over the next six years Obama will get to appoint some liberal justices.

http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/teacher_lessons/3branches/1.htm

Liberal POV said...

Oatz

Do the math. The Tea Party is uninformed, leaderless, and has no plan for the future.

The Tea Party movement is a classic mob.

Keep marching to the cliff.

Liberal POV said...

No Compromise


"Please explain that sentence, because it doesn't make shit for sense to me."

The ACLU soul purpose is to defend the freedom and the US Constitution. They will fill law suit against the Obama Admin just as they have every admin.

If you feel laws are being pasted that are un Constitutional I suggest you join the ACLU.

Sarkazein said...

POV- I take that back, the Tripodarchy was not your first original thought. The "ignore the terrorists and they will go away" was pretty original also. At least I had never heard that battle strategy before or since.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

"The "ignore the terrorists and they will go away" was pretty original also."

What I said was don't let them set the strategy, don't play their game. Don't hype the fear for them as you, Fox News and Right Wing know Nothings have done.
The only real weapon they have is fear. Why do you want to help them intensify their weapon of fear.

guy fauleks said...

Liberalproverbs18:2 is a supporter of his terrorist heroes at all costs. In his mind, it is better for thousands to die than one terrorist face water boarding even when it was done with the consent of Congress, including his side.

The ACLU only defends those rights it feels will benefit liberal philosophy. It hates the second amendment.

I know for a fact they will not take a case unless it is high profile and will give them publicity. They could care less about a civil rights case unless it serve their interest.

guy faulkes said...

Excuse me, I had to come back to the this thread to ask the gun questions of Liberalproverbs18:2 in order to stimulate him to abandon his gutless running.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Do you feel the second amendment has little voice in Washington? Do you feel the NRA has failed to protect the second amendment?

Do you care about the rest of the bill of rights?

What military weapons of war would you band from the general public?

guy fauleks said...

Do you feel the second amendment has little voice in Washington? No. The gun owners scare the crap out of the liberal tyrants in a political sense. Clinton even admitted gun control was a losing proposition.

Do you feel the NRA has failed to protect the second amendment? Yes to a large extent. They are to quite to "compromise" away issues while getting nothing in return.

Do you care about the rest of the bill of rights? I care about all of them.

What military weapons of war would you band from the general public? Very few. What would you?

Now answer my questions.

Liberal POV said...

Reader

Are you going to make a case the Obamas (President Barack Obama, First Lady Michelle Obama, and daughters) are mean spirited, negative evangelist of hate?

You have your work cut out for you.

Do you hear anyone on the left calling for torture?

Do you hear anyone on the left calling for human rights abuse?

Do you hear the left calling for spliting families to deport a parent?

Do you her those on the left calling for more killing of those they think could be our ememy?

Does the left use the word socialist without knowing the meaning?

Liberal POV said...

Reader

Are you going to make a case the Obamas (President Barack Obama, First Lady Michelle Obama, and daughters) are mean spirited, negative evangelist of hate?

You have your work cut out for you.

Do you hear anyone on the left calling for torture?

Do you hear anyone on the left calling for human rights abuse?

Do you hear the left calling for spliting families to deport a parent?

Do you her those on the left calling for more killing of those they think could be our ememy?

Does the left use the word socialist without knowing the meaning?

guy faulkes said...

Are you going to make a case the Obamas (President Barack Obama, First Lady Michelle Obama, and daughters) are mean spirited, negative evangelist of hate? Certainly. Twenty years in Wright's church proves it for Mr. and Ms. Obama. Being raised in the church of hatred will probably influence the daughters. Their continued association with their parents probably insure it. Do you propose to remove them to foster care to prevent this, Liberal proverbs18:2?

Do you hear anyone on the left calling for torture? Yes. I have heard and read of leftisits wishing Rush and other prominent conservatives dead, tortured, murdered, etc.

Do you hear anyone on the left calling for human rights abuse? Yes Take death panels for instance.

Do you hear the left calling for spliting families to deport a parent? No, they are calling for illegal aliens to be deported. Their children are allowed to accompany them if they so desire.

Do you her those on the left calling for more killing of those they think could be our ememy? NO, they wish to protect their terrorist heroes at the cost of thousands of lives of the citizens of this country.

Does the left use the word socialist without knowing the meaning? Yes. I posted the definition for you from the American Heritage dictionary. You ignored it.

It was not much work at all to answer your questions. When are you going to answer mine?

Liberal POV said...

Guy

You make the perfect conservative and republican.

You're the poster child.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

You and Ms Foxx help explain how the republicans are bitter old people with no answers for today's problems and completely out of touch with reality.
You will really loss this fall if the Democrats find the courage to be real progressives.

guy faulkes said...

Liberalproverbs18:2, if you really believed in what you say, you would answer the questions. Even you know that you are ridiculous.

Once again, the polls do not support you as to what will happen in November.