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Saturday, May 8, 2010

A Greek Tragedy


Where did Greece go wrong? Someone needs to ask our President that question because he's taking us down the same path. The word is that Portugal and Italy are next. Europe to follow.

The violence is in reaction to austerity legislation the EU and the IMF demanded they pass in exchange for a 30 billion euro ($40 billion) bailout. Greece has a retirement age of 54, huge pension plans, they get 6 weeks paid leave annually and national health care. It's a nanny state and the people aren't taking kindly to their benefits being cut. Greece has no choice because they have no money. The IMF is funded in part by US taxpayers. We're bailing out Greece.

"The legislation, which includes tax hikes, pension reforms and deep cuts in public sector bonuses which will slash take-home pay for a fifth of the workforce, is being pushed through in exchange for aid of 110 billion euros -- the first rescue of a member of the common currency bloc."

40 comments:

Sarkazein said...

It is SO simple, governments were not made to do what they are trying to do. OUR FOUNDERS had it right. They knew of what a government is capable.

Politicians have worked against what OUR FOUNDERS knew to be self-evident for the past 65 years. The question is, will Greece come out communist or fascist or country-less? Socialism kills man's spirit... first a generation or two of malaise, then failure. The problem in the US is we tampered with the best form of government so much, WE are going to end up the same. There is so little difference between over-regulation and socialism. Over- regulation may be worse than socialism. The government gets their cut in the form of high taxes, permits, and mandates yet takes no responsibility for the failure.

Liberal POV said...

Tea Party Mob and Sark

Do we want our Government to regulate things like food safety, Medicine, Oil Rigs in the Gulf, Home Building in costal area, Home building in Flood plains, Home building on land that may slide, Construction quality, Consumer protection, Banking, Wall Street, Mining safety, Worker safety, Auto safety, Clean drinking water, Clean air, Clean rivers, solid waste, sewage treatment, fair wages, Child labor laws?

Honest Debate said...

reductio ad absurdum

Sarkazein said...

POV's absolute absurdity:
He opens his comment with "Tea Party Mob" RIGHT below a picture of an actual MOB of leftists and union "workers".

NO credibility what-so-ever... a lying socialist ONLY.
POV look at the above picture. That is you and yours.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

What we need in the US are living wage jobs and opportunities so far more Americans are able to support their families and communities.
Under the Republican voodoo economics the gap between rich and poor continues to widen and has for decades. Fewer and fewer Americans are able to support their families and communities.
Those who have become wealthy on corporate welfare need to pay more taxes to support the system of government that has benefited them and their families for decades.

Lets return the tax code to pre Bush era and try to balance the budget like Clinton and Carter did.

We need more of a social safety net not less.

http://www.onenewspage.com/news/Politics/20100429/10533088/Sanctimonious-Deficit-Hawks-Target-Social-Safety-Net.htm

Liberal POV said...

Sark

Look out you window to the Gulf of Mexico, see that oil spill and remember the oil industry got to write those regulations.
Eleven workers died because Haliburton's concrete well head failed. That was not the first time.

Does the government need to over see such projects?

Liberal POV said...

Sark and HD

The Tea Party Madness in this country is very similar to the mobs in Greece people are pissed off because their lives have been disrupted.

Here many of the Tea Party Mob have seen their retirement saving disappear and with the help of fear media that anger has been directed at the Obama Admin, brown house painters and roofers and liberals.

The real villians are getting a free ride thanks to blogs like this and millions in propaganda wealth protection money from the very very rich families like the Cheneys, McCains and Coors.

Blogger said...

For some while, I have told Liberal POV to keep his eye on Greece. Those are his people out in the streets. I warned him this was coming weeks ago. My problem always with POV is not just him, but that he represents the harebrained people who accidentally took over our country. They are now hellbent following Greece down the greasy skids.

Wolf's Head said...

"Do we want our Government to regulate things like food safety, Medicine, Oil Rigs in the Gulf, Home Building in costal area, Home building in Flood plains, Home building on land that may slide, Construction quality, Consumer protection, Banking, Wall Street, Mining safety, Worker safety, Auto safety, Clean drinking water, Clean air, Clean rivers, solid waste, sewage treatment, fair wages, Child labor laws?"

NO.

Sarkazein said...

POV- Whom(guess) would you have write industry regulations, (be thinking of "government by the people") experts in the field, or a cocaine snorting community organizer that has made a living off milking the system?

guy faulkes said...

Libralproverbs18;2 once again starts to chant LA LA LA LA LA. He ignores the fact that high taxes, unions, and over regulation are the reason our jobs went out of the country, there by eliminating "living wage" jobs. He ignores the fact it took Obama 9 days to respond to the oil spill and that the Obama administration did no enforce the plan that was in place to respond to this kind of emergency. He states the same tired comment that have been discredited over and over and over and over and over again. He cannot see that Greece proves the progressive socialist agenda will not work. Once again he is a waste of time and space.

Sarkazein said...

To say nothing of not opening enough land to drill for gas and oil because of pant wetting liberal econuts.

Sarkazein said...

Venezuela annual inflation rate hits 30 percent
Email this Story

May 7, 11:19 PM (ET)

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) - Venezuela's annual inflation rate has surpassed 30 percent after consumer prices surged in April.///

Go commie pinco, that will help the poor. We're next.

Sarkazein said...

HALIBURTON

OBAMA and Cheney sleeping together in the Lincoln bedroom?



By Tony Capaccio
May 6 (Bloomberg) -- KBR Inc. was selected for a no-bid contract worth as much as $568 million through 2011 for military support services in Iraq, the Army said.
The Army announced its decision yesterday only hours after the Justice Department said it will pursue a lawsuit accusing the Houston-based company of taking kickbacks from two subcontractors on Iraq-related work. The Army also awarded the work to KBR over objections from members of Congress, who have pushed the Pentagon to seek bids for further logistics contracts.

Blogger said...

What we try to teach you Liberal POV is that your system disempowers people, turning them into children. The problem in Greece now is there are so few grown-ups left that the children are out in the streets.

Sarkazein said...

Now somehow, POV has been able to assign blame to Haliburton, when the conclusion has not been made yet by anyone. This is truly a sickness caused by brainwashing of a weak mind by the MSM and other far-left loons.


AP INVESTIGATION: Blowout preventers known to fail


May 8, 8:04 AM (ET)

By JEFF DONN AND SETH BORENSTEIN



HOUSTON (AP) - Cutoff valves like the one that failed to stop the Gulf of Mexico oil disaster have repeatedly broken down at other wells in the years since federal regulators weakened testing requirements, according to an Associated Press investigation.
These steel monsters known as blowout preventers or BOPs - sometimes as big as a double-decker bus and weighing up to 640,000 pounds - guard the mouth of wells. They act as the last defense to choke off unintended releases, slamming a gushing pipe with up to 1 million pounds of force.
While the precise causes of the April 20 explosion and spill remain unknown, investigators are focusing on the blowout preventer on the Deepwater Horizon rig operated by BP PLC (BP) as one likely contributor.

Sarkazein said...

The Greek doctors have been bailing out of Greece for a while. Many land here in Houston. Where do they go from here when America falls to the looters like the ones pictured above?

Nobody said...

Greek's national debt is 114% of their GDP. Ours is 84% of GDP right now BEFORE enacting the health care reform spending. The mob pictured above is upset about a lot of different cuts in government employee benefits, but part of the IMF and EU mandates that the mobs are protesting is that Greece move to PRIVATIZE part of their health care system as a part of governmental budget reforms. Lib -- are you following this? New Jersey is in a lot of financial trouble right now because of the government pension plan more than anything else. Government employees pay in about $87,000 towards their pension plan over their careers, can retire after 30 years (around 52?) and then draw benefits of over $1 million over the remainder of their lives! This is simply not economically feasible, but try telling this to someone who just wants a more government in every aspect of our lives.

Nobody said...

This post and picture above also prove the adage that once a government program is in place, people will fight to keep it because they become dependent upon it. No matter how destructive to the country, they will not give up the 'free' milk.

Reader said...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37037022/ns/world_news-europe

You've probably already read this.

guy faulkes said...

Excellent link Reader. Thank you.

Sarkazein said...

The government teacher's union in New Jersey have already wished death upon the new Governor. Rioting can't be far off.

Liberal POV said...

Nobody and others with Tea Party Madness

"Lib -- are you following this? New Jersey is in a lot of financial trouble right now because of the government pension plan more than anything else. Government employees pay in about $87,000 towards their pension plan over their careers, can retire after 30 years (around 52?) and then draw benefits of over $1 million over the remainder of their lives!"

Now you with the Tea Party Madenss want to go after what little remains of the middle class public servants like police offiers, Fireman, teachers, social workers, militaty personel, Park rangers and public health workers. These hard working decaded public servants work for less than had been the case with the private sector but did get good pensions now you want that too.

You keep chopping off large segments of America as your enemy. Good luck with your madness!

Nobody said...

Lib,
I'm pointing out facts. You respond with emotion. And name-calling. Who seems more rational and thoughtful in this debate? Do you think that the situation described in New Jersey is economically feasible? I only point this out because with policies like this, Greece could be our future. Do you care? Or are you going to be ruled by your emotions until this country has been totally destroyed? Then what happens to the pensions and benefits of government employees?

guy fauleks said...

Then what happens to the pensions and benefits of government employees?

The same thing that happens to them now. The government raids the fund to pay for other things. The pensions are gone. Note the borrowing from social security and the "attempted raid on pension funds in North Carolina be Easley.

Liberal POV said...

Nobody

"I'm pointing out facts. You respond with emotion. "

Are you missing some facts? What the source of your so called facts?

Did you consider that retired school teacher will take her $2000.00 retirement check to buy groceries, go to lunch once a month with the other retired teachers, buy a new car every ten years, pay the dentist, buy christmas gifts for the grand children, take a vacation to Blowing Rock or a trip to Boone to her grand daughter's graduation who she helped send to college.

Her retirement income is seed money for a market economy or capitalism and each person on the receiving end of her retirement spending has to also pay taxes on as it passes through their hands refilling the government couffers.

Did you by any chance attend Bob Jones or Liberty University?

guy faulkes said...

Liberalproverbs18:2

Socialism is not just promoted by government pension programs. Other types of entitlement programs and overspending as well as over regulation are to blame as well.

The pensions that are overseen by the government will go bankrupt as per the examples I provided Your hypothetical retired schoolteacher grandmother is going to be begging on the street if she did not have an individual retirement account that was privately managed.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

" if she did not have an individual retirement account that was privately managed."

I had one of those and the criminals on wall street have figured out how to move that to their own pockets.

Bernie Maddoff was not the only crook on wall street just the fall guy.

guy faulkes said...

Liberalproverbs18:2

Then at least you can take solace in the knowledge that your financial woes were due to your own poor choice in how you invested your money rather than the knowledge it was stolen from you by taxes.

Bushrod Gentry said...

This year, the government will spend more money on Social Security than Social Security takes in. The TARP money hasn't been used to buy toxic assets, but has become a slush fund for the White House. Half of the Stimulus money has become a slush fund for Congress and 70% of economists say that the Stimulus money already spent has had no effect on the economy. The United States owes more money than any other nation on the planet. What's to worry with such ethical and brilliant people in charge of our future?

Wolf's Head said...

Hey Bushrod, how did ou keep from puking on your keyboard when you typed "What's to worry with such ethical and brilliant people in charge of our future?"?

Nobody said...

Lib,
Why do I have to do your work for you? Oh wait, you're a liberal... Here you go. I actually got it wrong, but it's even worse! Here's the key paragraph:

"A major contributor to New Jersey’s bloated budged is state worker benefits. A state worker could retire after 25 years at age 49, contribute $124,000 toward retirement, and get back $3.8 million in pension and health benefits over the rest of his lifetime."

http://socialismdoesntwork.com/gov-chris-christie-on-new-jerseys-financial-crisis/

In answer to your other questions, I went to ASU and graduated with a Bachelor of Science degree (I will not give too much personal info). Remind us again which college you went to? Oh, and you never did answer my questions on Paula Jones, Juanita Broderick and Anita Hill. Here I am, faithfully answering questions and you just deflect and run away.

Liberal POV said...

Nobody

Do you think Political corruption may be more of a problem in NJ than socialism?

I would agree 25 years is not long enough to receive full pension but 30 years is.

New Jersy has had about as many Republican governors as Democratic Governors.
Was your economic instructor bashing Roosevelt recovery act at ASU?

Do you suffering from Tea Party Madness plan to grow your movement by eliminating all RINOs, all new immigrants, State employees, federal employees, military retirees, Liberal Democrats, Non Christians, belivers of a social safety net like social security and medicare, those that don't want to see children go hungry so supporters of food stamp program need not apply, all of the people that believe the science of Global climate change need not apply, as well as those that believe the earth is more than 6500 years old need not apply.

The Tea Party is a mob with No plan, No Knowledge, No Vision and No leadership.

guy faulkes said...

Liberalproverbs18:2, did you recently get a college degree? You once said you did not graduate from college but you went to trade school. It appears that at, one time or the other, you have been less than truthful. Imagine that. There is no shame in not having gone to college. There is in lying about it. Many smart and very successful people do not go to college. I find it interesting that you now place so much emphasis on college when before you did not.

The problem you have is that you cannot recognize a plan that does not come from your political masters.

Nobody said...

"Was your economic instructor bashing Roosevelt recovery act at ASU?"

I never said s/he bashed Roosevelt -- those are your words. We discussed economics policies and their effects on the depression. Sorry if that educated and logical discussion bumped up against your preconceived notions and you have decided that what you want to believe is actually the truth.

"New Jersey has had about as many Republican governors as Democratic Governors."

Posters have told you here over and over that legislatures pass laws that appropriate spending and taxing and executives (Presidents and Governors) submit budgets and later may sign or veto them. The budget that is submitted and the budget that is signed are never the same. Legislatures curry to interest groups and add spending to appease those groups. Executives may then veto (and risk government shut downs) or sign (and accept special interest pork spending). What is the history of the New Jersey state legislature? Which party has consistently controlled it?

Liberal POV said...

Guy

If you're the man with answers.

How do you plan to grow the Tea Party being the party of exclusion? No Liberals, No RINOS,No moderate Republicans, No centerist Republicans, No moderate Democrats, No Centerist Democrats, No liberal independents, No Moderate indepentents, No Public servants, few people of color, No Non Christians, No non fundamentalist Christians? Lots of slave state Southerners.

College boy do the math there.

guy faulkes said...

Liberalproverbs18:2 you really have not been paying attention or you are to dense to understand.

The Tea Party Movement is not partisan. It is made up of Republicans, Democrats, and Independents; all of whom are inclined to be to the middle-right of the political spectrum. This country is a middle-right nation, so the Tea Party cannot help but grow as Obama and the far left have tried to move the country so far towards socialism.

The fact you cannot understand is that the conservatives to not have to do anything to increase the involvement in the Tea Party Movement. The liberals are doing it for them.

So now you have reverted to putting down those with a college education as per your college boy slur. From this I gather that the lie was when you claimed to have had economics in college.

As I have repeatedly said, a college education is valuable in that it teaches you how to teach yourself. It does not make you intelligent (as is Blogger) or the opposite (as are Robinson and Williamson). It also has little to do with the measure of your success. Your work ethic is much more important.

Nobody said...

"How do you plan to grow the Tea Party being the party of exclusion? No Liberals, No RINOS,No moderate Republicans, No centerist Republicans, No moderate Democrats, No Centerist Democrats, No liberal independents, No Moderate indepentents, No Public servants, few people of color, No Non Christians, No non fundamentalist Christians? Lots of slave state Southerners."

What is your source for this information? Are there statistics on the tea party attendees that would verify that there are NONE of the people you identify? Are you inferring that the only people who attend are the opposites of the groups you have listed? Where is you proof instead of just your angry opinion?

"College boy do the math there."

"Boy?!?" If this were a comment used by one of the regular conservative posters here regarding Obama you'd be screaming racism. I think he went to college. You must be getting pretty mad to resort to this type of name-calling. Name calling is the last resort of someone who has lost a debate. By the way, there was no math to be done in your post.

Liberal POV said...

Nobody

Can you make the math work as to how the tea party mob plan to get the most right wing extremist, least informed, least computer literate, mostly white, mostly old, mostly republican, mostly fundamentalist Christian to stretch to a majority of the country?

guy faulkes said...

It was just explained to you, fool. The only difference was you did not get to set the criteria as you always attempt to do.

I notice you have no sources to supply as Nobody asked you to do. More questions for you to run from.