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Sunday, May 2, 2010

Incredibly Unfair and Wildly Specultive Post

Thanks to (shared blame with) Sarkazein

Here's Sark's link. I saw something about it a few days ago but thought strongly that it was wildly speculative and incredibly unfair to Obama. If there is one thing positive I (to this point) believe about President Obama, it's that he is a good family man. God bless him for that, he deserves that presumption. We all do until that trust is vanquished.

But the heck with all that. McCain wouldn't have gotten the same presumption of innocence, why should I care? Honor? Honor schmonor! It's like worrying about the Geneva Convention with an enemy that will cut your head off with a dull knife in front of your children. There's no honor in cloaking stupidity with compassion... oops... there I go again gettin' on my soapbox, sorry...where was I?

Is Obama a cheater? You had to have wondered, I did.
He believes he's God's gift to humanity. Women faint. It's the nature of the business and, logistically speaking, he has the infrastructure and sycophants to pull it off. He's arrogant enough to think he could get away with it. He has shown himself to be less than ethical. Why wouldn't he?

Maybe it's not so unfair. With Bill Clinton my conclusion was that any man that can't tell the truth to his own wife cannot be an honorable man. I don't care about "arrangements", don't take sacred vows if you don't intend to keep them. With Mr. Obama I am making the mirror determination. Any man that can be so disingenuous and lie on so many levels (it's a given and not at issue for this thread) cannot be trusted to take his marital vows seriously. Is that too logical?

The other thing is that it's the "National Enquirer". I am serious as a heart attack when I say I put more faith in them than the New York Times, AP, NPR and the Networks combined. I know it sounds funny but why would they put their reputation at stake if they didn't have something?

Alright. I've still gotta a little creepy feeling. I don't want to be judgmental... I'm hittin' the "publish post" button anyway.

77 comments:

Sarkazein said...

Hillary blamed a "vast right-wing conspiracy" for Monica.

Will Michelle blame a vast white-wing conspiracy?

Sarkazein said...

H.D- Remember the afair story about President George H.W. Bush finding MSM airtime. It was totally without reasonable evidence.

I had a little trouble believing this story about Obama, but, I do believe the Larry Sinclair story.

Honest Debate said...

"Will Michelle blame a vast white-wing conspiracy?"

Laughed out loud, wife thinks I'm nuts.

Wolf's Head said...

McCain definitely would NOT have been given the presumption of innocence that Obama is receiving.

Remember during the campaign the dems tried to smear McCain with an affair with a lobbyist that was a total fabrication.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McCain_lobbyist_controversy

Sarkazein said...

If nothing else, this shows the double standard in MSM coverage. Combine this with the lack of coverage of Obama's late response to the Gulf oil spill, the disclosed redacted parts of the Blago indictment, and all the broken Obama promises and lies, and there is a legitimate complaint of media bias (understatement).

Liberal POV said...

HD

The good Christian Familie Values Conservatives can't win on issues so they move to non issues of Obama's a Muslim, Flag pin, he' not a real American and on and on. None of thes were effective so now The conservative are offering a reward or bribes to go after his personal life and try to breakup his marriage. These are the Christian family values you are so proud of?

Wolf's Head said...

If Obama is innocent then nothing will be found LPOV.

If something is found you will justify it in some weird perverted way that you usually do.

But if this inquiry is fine by dems when applied to Republicans then sauce for the gander is sauce for the goose. Don't remember your indignation when McCain was slandered.

Sarkazein said...

POV- You should be proud of Obama. It may be another marriage not requiring monogamy.
Perhaps Obama was just trying to prove how strong their marriage is.
But, you have to admit that the Larry Sinclair story is probable. That one REALLY showed what a strong marriage is all about.
I guess being a "good Christian" to you means being a far Left loon. And "good Conservative values" means ignoring the news and only personally attacking non-liberals.

Liberal POV said...

Wolf and Sark

I think public officials personal lives should be off limits unless in the case with Democrat John Edwards he was using campaign money to hide his affair.

In this case the affair if it happened was six years ago off limits.

You good Christians seem to think morality is only about sex and how you treat your fellow man has nothing to do with morality.

Sarkazein said...

POV- You are right. I forgot that character has no place in leadership. That was changed during the Clinton years if I'm not mistaken.

Honest Debate said...

"The conservative are offering a reward or bribes to go after his personal life and try to breakup his marriage." -LiberalPOV

How does one go about breaking up a marriage?

Sarkazein said...

POV wrote-"You good Christians seem to think morality is only about sex and how you treat your fellow man has nothing to do with morality."


POV, you are right again. Morality was redefined and I had forgotten.
How you morally treat your fellow man now is measured by how much of other people's money will you sacrifice to keep your brother.

Liberal POV said...

Sunshine ( Sark )

"That was changed during the Clinton years if I'm not mistaken."


How about the beginning of time?
Republicans have no corner avoiding affairs just they have a lot more hypocrisy on the subject as wittnessed here.

Jefferson
Roosevelt
Eisenhower
Clinton
Newt
Mc Cain
Foxx

Sex is a powerful force and who knows it may have happened to you.

The Republicans need to get their asses out of bedrooms that are not their own.

Sunshine you need to stop trying to be the sex police.

Republicans need to learn morality is far mor than sex.

Sarkazein said...

POV wrote- "The Republicans need to get their asses out of bedrooms that are not their own."

How about the back seats of limos and Oval Offices?

You may have something in part of your comment:

"... get their asses out of bedrooms that are not their own."-POV

Liberal POV said...

Sunshine ( Sark )

You get far too excited about these sex scandals.

Liberal POV 2 said...

You get far too excited about these sex scandals. They are not as good as kiddie porn.

Liberal POV said...

Republicans Ethic

Is the above post an example of Republican ethics and morality?

Liberal POV 2 said...

NO. It's only accurate.

oatz said...

So Liberal POV you bring Foxx into this thread with evidence?

Liberal POV said...

Oatz

Like I said these are personal matters best left to the political leaders and their families.

Should we offer a one million dollar reward or bribe to get such evidence to publicly embarass Ms Foxx? No! Nor should the personal witch hunt be made against Obama by right wing corporate interest.
I have plenty of reasons not to vote for Ms Foxx without getting into her personal life.

All Republicans as well as Democrats need to avoid personal sexual affairs by political leaders unless public money is involved or they are holding themselves out as examples of moral perfection we often see within the Republican party or as Sark does here.

Sarkazein said...

POV- One of the important things about a leader's "private life", is the opportunities for blackmail, distraction from life and death decisions with the family drama it causes when busted, showing your daughters how you should expect their future husbands to act, NOT humiliating the First Lady of the United States, and not making others around them lie to protect their indiscretions.
This "stay out of bedrooms" stuff is not only not from the deep end of the think tank, but not even near the water.

Liberal POV said...

Sunshine

The Clinton famliy and most Clinton supporters have move on why can't you? Bill Clinton's affair didn't involve you.

What most Republicans and fundementalist Christians don't seem to understand in most people are human not saints and as humans have human desires and needs sex being the strongest.

There and old saying I think of when reading a GOP post like yours.

" The best preachers are the ones to old to sin "

Reader said...

Lib, if you are a man, why in the world are you using sunshine to address a man? It's creepy.

When someone runs for office in our great nation, we all have the right to judge their actions. The money they use, is not their own and people have wants Lib, not needs when it comes to sex. Try defending it to a husband or wife who's experienced it. I doubt you'd be able to see the sun shine for weeks.

Liberal POV said...

Reader

Lib, if you are a man, why in the world are you using sunshine to address a man?

Because Sark seems to look at the darkest side of humanity, he's grumpy and need some sunshine in his life. The least I can do is call him sunshine to brighten his day.


"Try defending it to a husband or wife who's experienced it."

That is their problem and comes with enough issues without being public entertainment as many want to make it. Being a politician good or bad doesn't mean your personal life shouldn't have some privacy.

I consider President Bill Clinton to be the best President of my life time despite the BJ.

All of his public decision were sound and the world and America were much better off when he left office than when he entered office.

Would you like to see that surplus he left back today?

Liberal POV said...

Reader

Let me remind you of a fact.

When the right wing couldn't get Clintion on public policy or find any corruption after 20 plus tears in politic they spent $100 million dolars to prove he was human and could be tempted to have sex with someone other than his wife but after spending $100 million dollars in slander, propaqganda and pay offs we don't know where the truth is do we.

Sarkazein said...

POV- I'll take your pet name as meaning you are starting to see the light.

"... someone other than his wife but after spending $100 million dollars in slander, propaqganda and pay offs we don't know where the truth is do we."-POV

What do we not know?

"... have move on why can't you? Bill Clinton's affair didn't involve you."-POV

You also wrote $100 million was spent, how did that not involve every tax payer? I presume you are talking about his investigation and impeachment for attempting to violate someone's civil rights with perjury.

You are defending the indefensible.

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Liberal POV said...

Sark

Most of the $100 million was spent on the white water that yeided nothing.

Some was public money and some was private fishing money.
After that amount is spent we don't know what the truth is.

Nobody said...

Lib said, "After that amount is spent we don't know what the truth is."

Wrong! We know that Clinton had an affair. We know (from the disgusting details) that he was being 'serviced' while discussing national security matters. We know that he perjured himself and attempted to abuse his office to suborn perjury in others (he lost his law license over this and was forever banned from arguing a case before the Supreme Court). We know that he attempted to obstruct officers of the law during an investigation. By the way, abuse of power, perjury, suborning perjury and obstruction of justice were the same charges being considered against Nixon when he resigned. We know that, coincidentally, he ordered that Bagdad be bombed for violating U.N. resolutions the same day Lewinsky was testifying (guess which story was on the front page of papers the next day and which was moved to page two...). We know that Clinton wagged his finger in our faces and stated emphatically that he "did not have sex with that woman," but two weeks later when a certain blue dress appeared, he cried and begged for forgiveness. We know that he had a history of personal indiscretions, including using the Arkansas state police to find women for him (Paula Jones and Juanita Broderick are the best known). Question Lib: Did you believe the several women that came forward to expose Clinton's indiscretions or did you attack them and do you still attack them? Are you like the Clinton staffer who described these women by saying, "If you drag a $20 bill through a trailer park, you don't know what you'll get." Is this the liberal attitude towards women? Is this really the best President of your lifetime?

Liberal POV said...

Nobody

Do I wish Clinton had used far better judgement in his personal life? Yes!

Did Ciliton hurt liberal causes with such poor personal decisions? Yes!

Do I still think he was the best president of my lifetime. Yes

All of his public decision were sound and the world and America were much better off when he left office than when he entered office.

Would you like to see that surplus he left back today?

Nobody said...

Lib said, "All of his public decision were sound and the world and America were much better off when he left office than when he entered office.

Would you like to see that surplus he left back today?"

Give me specifics. What decisions were sound? How was the world and the country better off when he left it? Did the surplus occur before or after the 1994 Republican takeover of Congress (remembering that ONLY Congress can appropriate spending). To be honest, I would much prefer Clinton to Obama. Clinton was a moderate who after 1994 compromised with Republicans -- welfare reform is one example. I don't EVER see Obama moving towards the center. If you can believe Clinton is the best President in your lifetime (and I strongly disagree) then I can believe that Obama is already the worst President of my lifetime. And we still have three years left with him!

Liberal POV said...

Nobody

More on Clinton:

It almost like out of a sense of guilt of his personal life, Clinton tried to make up for it with outstanding public service.

Do you believe other public servants or just ordinary citizens have done extraordinary good to make up for private guilt?

Nobody said...

Lib,

Why do you never answer a question (refer to my earlier post to name SPECIFIC CLINTON DECISIONS THAT MADE THE WORLD AND COUNTRY BETTER)? Why do you only ask loaded questions? Kind of like the classic, "When did you stop beating your wife? question. Why do you constantly insult, name-call and demean others? I haven't posted here in a long time, but I still drop by to read. You always demand that others defend their beliefs and answer your questions but you feel no compunction to do the same. So how about it? What decisions did Clinton make? Did you attack or believe Paula Jones and Juanita Broderick? Here's a better one -- did you believe Anita Hill in her accusations against Clarence Thomas? Do you only believe those who attack Republicans and disregard those who expose Democrats?

Sarkazein said...

Well, one thing is for certain, POV believes the story about Obama and the campaign worker having an affair in a hotel room paid for with campaign money.
If not, he would have written it by now. Too late now... the conclusion has been drawn.
OK POV, I get it. You find this kind and Clinton's kind of behavior acceptable. If they were just your Presidents, and were only making decisions affecting you, I would agree with you. But, this is the second Obama sex scandal story basically ignored by the MSM. Do you think he has a thing going with another one now as he ignores the Gulf oil spill and the Tenn floods?

Reader said...

Nobody, you're frying him...keep it up, I'm enjoying this.

Honest Debate said...

The thing that bugged me about the Clinton deal was the lame excuse that any man would lie about an affair. BTW, Clinton is a serial abuser of women so the "affair" characterization is being generous. The excuse assumes two things. First, one must assume any man would cheat. Men are just victims of their randy nature, that part's a given so the lie is forgivable. It's kind to the wife.
The second assumption is that honor doesn't matter in the leader of the free world. Someone is honorable or they are not. It matters.

guy faulkes said...

Anonymous Liberal POV said...
Sunshine ( Sark )
You get far too excited about these sex scandals.

May 3, 2010 12:19 PM
Anonymous Liberal POV 2 said...
You get far too excited about these sex scandals. They are not as good as kiddie porn.

May 3, 2010 1:02 PM
Anonymous Liberal POV said...
Republicans Ethic
Is the above post an example of Republican ethics and morality?

May 3, 2010 1:10 PM
Anonymous Liberal POV 2 said...
NO. It's only accurate.

It appears Liberalproverbs18:2 was hoist on his own petard. If he does not wish to have negative things said about him, he should refrain form doing it to others in the first place.

Sark, did you post this example of Libealproverbs28:2 's methodology being used against him? If so, I think it went over his head. Someone will have to explain to him the rebuttal is exactly the same as his first post.

Liberal POV said...

Nobody

Republicans seem to forget how they got into office in 1994.

(" Clinton signed the Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1993, which passed Congress without a Republican vote. It cut taxes for fifteen million low-income families, made tax cuts available to 90% of small businesses,[52] and raised taxes on the wealthiest 1.2% of taxpayers.[53] Additionally, through the implementation of spending restraints, it mandated the budget be balanced over a number of years." that it included wonderful programs like fully funding Head Start, more police walking the streets.

Many of the Democrats that voted for this bill lost their seat in congree but they knew it was best for the country.

Clinton surrounded himself with talented public servants to make government work unlike Bush Cheney who put lobbyist against mining safety in charge of mining safety, Lobbyist against the EPA incharge of the EPA or political cronies in charge of FEMA.

When Clinton took office we had a defict off $290 billion dollars.

" In 1992, the deficit in the Federal budget was $290 billion – the largest dollar deficit in American history"

http://clinton4.nara.gov/WH/new/html/Tue_Oct_3_113400_2000.html
When Clinton left office the Surplus was $230billion dollars and government was working.

Liberal POV said...

Nobody

" I don't EVER see Obama moving towards the center."

Obama is the center.

I wanted a single payer Health Care System.


Who would you say is the best president of your lifetime and why? You have lots of Republicans to pick from.

Was the world better when they left office than when they entered?

guy faulkes said...

Who would you say is the best president of your lifetime and why? You have lots of Republicans to pick from. Ronald Reagan, of my lifetime or any other.

Was the world better when they (he) left office than when they(he) entered? Yes. (If we are talking about one president, then the pronoun should be singular. Sorry Reader, but this bothers me this morning.)

Sarkazein said...

If Obama used campaign money to pay for his hotel room with VERA BAKER, and paid her salary with campaign funds, should he go to jail along with Edwards?
Will Michelle tell the girls about their Daddy's behavior. Will they be told to call Larry Sinclair "Uncle Larry"?

Liberal POV said...

Nobody

" Why do you constantly insult, name-call and demean others?"

Do you have a name I've called you that you find insulting?

Do you consider "Sunshine" insulting I called Sark ?

I do attack groups or mindless zombies like the Tea Party Mob, Rush Groupies, Fear media addicts and GOP (Grumpy Old People). These people justify acts as a group they would never personally condone. They want to see people tortured but would never personally torture another human being.

Justice in not part of these groups agenda.

I use the term Good Christians when I see un Christian acts justified.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

Would you post the budget deficit when Reagan took office and when he left office?

How many homeless people were on the streets when went into office?

How about those dirty wars against the poor of Central America?

"The December 1981 massacre in El Mozote and surrounding villages epitomized both Salvadoran army practices and the pattern of U.S. denial. According to the Truth Commission, the army's elite Atlacatl Battalion "deliberately and systematically" executed more than 500 men, women, and children over a period of several days, torturing some victims and setting fire to buildings. Exhumations in and around El Mozote after the war revealed that, in one parish house alone, 131 of the 143 victims were children whose average age was six. The Truth Commission found "no evidence" to support arguments made publicly by the U.S. government at the time of the massacre that the victims had participated in combat or had been trapped in crossfire between combatant forces."

http://www.enotes.com/genocide-encyclopedia/el-salvador

How about selling weapons to Iran?

What was the size of the middle class when Reagan went into office and when he left?

Have wages for Americans been declining sense Reagan busted the unions?

Honest Debate said...

You live in your own little world Lib.

Liberal POV said...

HD

I live in the larger world of tolerance, justice and enlightenment not the land of fear, small minds, myths and petty little people.

Liberal POV said...

HD

I live in the larger world of tolerance, justice, fairness, enlightenment not the land of fear, injustice,greed and petty little people.

Sarkazein said...

POV wrote-"I live in the larger world of tolerance, justice and enlightenment".... as a stranger.

guy faulkes said...

Liberalproverbs18:2, Have you ever heard of the cold war? Who won it? Does it distress you that we did as you hate this country so much? What was the national debt under Reagan? What is it under Obama?

Anonymous said...

I posted this link on Watauga Watch twice. The hypocrites didn't let either post go through. They have the b***s to call one of their threads "Cover Up". What a bunch of losers.

Blogger said...

POV wrote-"I live in the larger world of tolerance, justice and enlightenment"....

Then Lib that makes you different from all the liberals I know. They live in a world of Reaction Formations and Projections. That is what makes them so self-righteous.

Nobody said...

Lib said, "Do you have a name I've called you that you find insulting?"

I didn't say me specifically, but as a conservative, I take issue with the following excerpts from your posts:

"I do attack groups or mindless zombies like the Tea Party Mob, Rush Groupies, Fear media addicts and GOP (Grumpy Old People)."

Demean with baseless namecalling -- tea parties are mindless zombies?

"...not the land of fear, small minds, myths and petty little people."

Demean with gross generalizations and namecalling.

"An old fart on Medicare and Social Security protesting government run health care and social safety nets." (that's just below the belt -- if you're going to draw in personal attacks of this nature, then everyone else here should draw attention to your trade school education status as evidence you don't really know what you're talking about).

These little petty people make up todays conservative movement the core of the Grumpy Old People Party.
Anyone want to celebrate Little Petty People Day?

I could go on but you get the drift. Are you capable of logical, unemotional discussion without the name calling and loaded questions? The fact that you fired off three consecutive posts directed at me after I shut the computer down at 9:00 last night tells me I must have gotten to you. Nice job with the copy and paste. Next time, delete the footnote notations from your paste job. Where did you plagiarize that from? Is Sark right (back to the topic of the thread) -- are you admitting that you believe Obama cheated? Excusing cheating by holding up Clinton as a positive role model must mean you think Obama has also cheated.

oatz said...

Liberal POV your assumptions are false...It wasn’t a balding white guy in his 40’s after all…
Last night Faisal Shahzad, a 30 year-old Pakistani-American and Democrat, was arrested for the attempted bombing Saturday night in Times Square.

Liberal POV said...

Oatz

"Liberal POV your assumptions are false...It wasn’t a balding white guy in his 40’s after all…
Last night Faisal Shahzad, a 30 year-old Pakistani-American and Democrat, was arrested for the attempted bombing Saturday night in Times Square."

I never made any assumptions, I was making the point it was too early to make assumptions as Sark was in his post.

Sark's comment:

"Did the SUV in Time Square have a La Raza sticker on the back bumper?"May 2, 2010 9:19 AM

Liberal POV said...

Nobody

Show me leadership within todays conservative movement.
Show me todays conservative movement is not controlled from Washington think tanks like Heritage Foundation fed to effective windbags selling snake oil or books like Beck, Coulter, Rush not to better America, not to create a better more just world but to increase rating and income for these con artist. Add the queen of quick cash Sarah Palin to that list.

Show me a real plan to create a better world? Show me you have though about what happens to real people, children and justice if your side wins.

The standard of living and quality of life is declining for the average American and has been for decades.


Show me the Tea Party movement is not just a mob of angry older people that understand todays issues and not parroting Rush.
http://skeptically.org/economics/id21.html

You don't think attention should be called to those on medicare and social security protesting a social safety net? I stand by my comment these are silly old farts.

Liberal POV said...

Nobody

Tell me what you think of using house painters Juan and Jose as scapegoats for failures in our current capatialist system with the near collapes of the world wide system. Thanks to Bush and Obama we did avoid or have so far a complete world wide depression.

Yes, I know the whole deal smelled but it did work now the same banking CEO that were saved want to makeup for lost income on the wages of the poorest American.
What's your opinion?

guy faulkes said...

Liberlproverbs18:2, you have been shown conservative plans for years. You just put your fingers in your ears, refuse to hear them and chant La La La La La while making statements you can not and will not support.

You are a waste of space and time.

Nobody said...

Lib,

I don't have to show you anything. Everyone has the responsibility to educate themselves, rather than place demands on others to do it for them. I've lurked here long enough to know that every question you have asked has been answered -- you just refuse to listen. Or your limited education doesn't allow you to understand or remember. The trouble is, your mind is made up already, and while I could spend inordinate amounts of time explaining conservative thought and identifying conservative leaders and conservative ideas, you would just quickly go to Media Matters or Indy Media and find some hack piece to copy and paste here in opposition. Then you will ignore the questions asked of you and demand that I answer more questions. So....did you believe Juanita Broderick and Paula Jones? What about Anita Hill?

Liberal POV said...

Nobody

Sense you want to win this debate by explaining how much better educated you are than I.

What is you opinion on our current capitalist system, does it need reform? Should we expect it to support the government and the masses?
If the current capitalist system cannot support the masses with living wage jobs why should the masses support capitalism?

What do you think of using house painters Juan and Jose as scapegoats for the failures in our current capitalist system with the near collapse of the world wide economic system and the middle class losing much of their life saving in Wall Street dishonesty?

Do you agree with blaming ileagal aliens for Wall Street's greed and fraud to deflect Americans anger at the new level of misery?

Sarkazein said...

I gotta tell you, I am done with Obama. He is nothing but a burned-out street druggy with an affirmative action degree.
THIS is how he describes the people in a legitimate grassroots peaceful political movement. The "President" of the United States using homo-erotica probably learned in the back seat of Larry Sinclair's limo to describe American business men and women, veterans, housewives, minors, and all the Tea Party protestors.

Wolf's Head said...

"Do you agree with blaming ileagal aliens for Wall Street's greed and fraud to deflect Americans anger at the new level of misery?"

LPOV, even for you this is unbelievably stupid.

Sarkazein said...

By TOM NEWTON DUNN, Political Editor
Published: Today

TV mogul Simon Cowell says tomorrow's General Election MUST bring change to Britain.
Writing for The Sun, he signals that the country he deeply loves needs a new government to pull it out of crisis.

Cowell, 50, talks of the need to inspire young people and unlock talent, promote family values, stimulate business and reduce knife crime.///

Turns out, in the Utopia of Europe, knife crime is in the top 4.

Sarkazein said...

Rush made a great point yesterday. The Time Square bomber has been charged with weapons of mass destruction. His consisted of a small SUV filled with some explosives. How many times do you think Holder and his idiot boss said Bush lied about Iraq's WMDs?
We know Sadaam had chemical artillery shells, not only because he used them, but we physically found them. We know Sadaam had SCUD missiles, not only because he used them, but because we physically found them. To these liars, figuring out that a WMD is a weapon of mass destruction, took 15 months. Before inauguration, they were either ignorant, or liars.

Honest Debate said...

Lib,

When Sark wrote: ""Did the SUV in Time Square have a La Raza sticker on the back bumper?" I think he was referring to the fact that there was an Obama sticker on the back of the SUV.

Honest Debate said...

Sark,

I notice that you keep bringing up Larry Sinclair. I looked him up when you first mentioned him. I saw a press conference he did. Absolutely creepy.

Sarkazein said...

H.D- If Larry Sinclair had been telling his story about a Republican, Larry would have his own late night talk show by now. The reason Larry Sinclair's story rang true with me was the pictures Obama did model type posses for. The pictures of him wearing a straw fedora and a joint in his hand. I believe THAT is the real Barry Obama. Larry's buddy

Liberal POV said...

HD, Sark and Grumpy Old People

How is speculating on an affair by Obama 4 years ago going to help fix America's problems?

You people can only be destructive and are without any constructive ideas.

HD how about using the blog to debate conservative fixes to todays problems?

What would you be doing if you were in power?


How would you get out of Iraq and Afghanistan?

How would you reduce the deficit with measurable ideas?

How would you see that American citizens didn't starve or die without medical treatment?

Liberal POV said...

Conservative movement

" His consisted of a small SUV filled with some explosives. How many times do you think Holder and his idiot boss said Bush lied about Iraq's WMDs?
We know Sadam had chemical artillery shells, not only because he used them, but we physically found them. We know Sadaam had SCUD missiles, not only because he used them, but because we physically found them. "

This is why Conservative should NEVER hold power again. Despite all the evidence, 4000+ dead Americans 35, 000 severely wounded Americans hundreds of thousands of dead Iraqis the cost will be over $3 TRILLION before its over which is one of the major causes of our economic problems conservatives can't learn from a mistake or admit a mistake.

Is Sark suggesting we now invade all countries that have the ability to create a similar car bomb as was found in NYC or that had conventional weapons similar to those listed?

When you Rush groupies aren't being silly you can be down right scary.

guy faulkes said...

Liberalproverbs18:2, do you never tire of asking he same questions. We have answered them countless times. Repeating yourself does not make you believable. It makes you look stupid.

How do you get propose to get around the fact that Hesse in killed thousands of his own people with WMD's? What is your excuse for this latest terrorist? Do you want to give him a medal?

More questions that you cannot and will not answer.

Anonymous said...

HD: You write, "Any man that can be so disingenuous and lie on so many levels (it's a given and not at issue for this thread) cannot be trusted to take his marital vows seriously. Is that too logical?"

Would the inverse, then, in your opinion, also be true? If a man is disgustingly immoral and disrespectful enough to cheat on his wife, can or should he be trusted to be honest or honorable in other aspects of his life?

More to the point, what does it say for the party of the "Moral Majority," when its candidate for President cheats on his crippled wife and then abandons her for his heiress mistress?

Anonymous said...

HD: You write, "Any man that can be so disingenuous and lie on so many levels (it's a given and not at issue for this thread) cannot be trusted to take his marital vows seriously. Is that too logical?"

Would the inverse, then, in your opinion, also be true? If a man is disgustingly immoral and disrespectful enough to cheat on his wife, can or should he be trusted to be honest or honorable in other aspects of his life?

More to the point, what does it say for the party of the "Moral Majority," when its candidate for President cheats on his crippled wife and then abandons her for his heiress mistress?

Honest Debate said...

Dang Nonny, you must have been serious about that question.

I thought I explained the inverse thing well with Bill Clinton, that's why I brought him up. I called it a "mirror determination".

I believe one is either honorable or not. I suppose there is a sense of degree. I also suppose that there can be circumstances that I don't understand and are none of my business. I also believe in forgiveness. Having said that, a lying, cheating scumbag is still a lying cheating scumbag.

I don't agree with your premise that Democrats have no morals and therefore cannot be called hypocrites when they act immorally.

Sarkazein said...

Cinco de Mayo at the White House
May 5, 2010 | 7:35 am
A year and a day have passed since President Obama got a little jump on Cinco de Mayo at the White House with a slip of the tongue on May 4: "Cinco de quatro,'' Obama called that holiday-eve celebration last year -- Five of four.///

Cinco de quatro... not celebrated in all 58 states.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

"Cinco de quatro... not celebrated in all 58 states."

More examples of Petty little people and non issues..

Sarkazein said...

POV, you are right. He was probably ripped on cocaine when he said it, and it shouldn't matter.

Liberal POV said...

Sark

"POV, you are right. He was probably ripped on cocaine when he said it, and it shouldn't matter."

Example of conservatives creating their own reality to match their myths.

Sarkazein said...

POV- So you're saying he didn't say "cinco de quatro"?

guy faulkes said...

Sark, it is hilarious how you keep getting Liberalproverbs18:2 to describe himself and his opinions.