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Saturday, May 1, 2010

Who Are These People Claiming to be Americans?


As we know, to be an American is not to be a member of an ethnic group, but rather it is to be a people of shared values.

Today however, we are going to be subjected to demonstrations by a people who may or may not be a people of shared values.

We have always welcomed people to our shores who come in by the front door–who give us time to teach them our language–our shared values, our Constitution and why we are an exceptional people. Then they can become Americans.

My ancestors came from England, but American I am. If tomorrow millions of people fleeing the slums of England, flooded down through Canada, I would have no identification with them whatsoever. They would be illegal aliens, a people bringing, not our values, but the values of the English slums, even some criminals as well. I would fight to send them home with everything that was in me.

So who then are all these people today in the streets who claim to share our values–who claim they are Americans? Why the solidarity with the values of their countries of origin rather than the values of their neighbors–their fellow Americans?

51 comments:

Blogger said...

I hope these demonstrations today frighten Americans and backfire.

The left wing base of the Democrat party despise the exceptionalism of our country.
Thus, they will not help us protect our values. Being in charge right now, all they want is to get as many people as possible here to vote to keep them in power.

The Roman Catholic Church bishops join them. It is not too cynical to believe that their loyalty is to the church only. Thus, all that matters to them is to get new members for their dying churches.

This is a bad time for our country.

Blogger said...

NOTICE Today this post is so important if anyone takes us off in the weeds, or lets themselves get duped by the left to wander off there with them, expect to either be deleted or moved to a more appropriate place.

Liberal POV said...

Blogger

"The left wing base of the Democrat party despise the exceptionalism of our country.
Thus, they will not help us protect our values. "

Those values of racism, torture, human rights abuse, theocracy, intolerance, fear and hate?

Tell us about Columbus Day, Saint Patrick's Day, Highland Games do these holidays not celebrate European Heritage?

The Democratic party is the party of tolerance, understanding, inclusion and understanding.

Sarkazein said...

A BIG misconception held by many is the illegals want to become citizens of the USA. Not so. Most are in desperate need of better money than they can make in Mexico/and other places, and are Mexicans and proud of it. They are work mercenaries and have no love of country other than Mexico. In fact they resent the US .
In WW2, Germany offered Mexico part of the USA if they helped the Nazis. They didn't. Now, they would. Not the Mexican government, but the people would help a foreign country defeat us if promised Texas, Arizona, and New Mexico. I doubt if they would take California, they are not stupid.

Blogger said...

POV wrote "Those values (0f America)of racism, torture, human rights abuse, theocracy, intolerance, fear and hate?"

That is what I said, POV You guys despise this country. Thanks for agreeing.

That is why you don't care if law breakers overrun parts of our country. You think we have it coming to us.

No Compromise said...

POV says "Tell us about Columbus Day, Saint Patrick's Day, Highland Games do these holidays not celebrate European Heritage?"

Black history month definitely does not celebrate European heritage!

Sarkazein said...

Blogger you wrote: "That is why you don't care if law breakers overrun parts of our country. You think we have it coming to us."

That is true, I never thought of it that way, but you are right. It falls in to the blame America first mind-set of liberals. Liberals also transfer that mind-set to Israel and its problems.

Blogger said...

Typically I would not respond to POV because so much of what he says is so dumb. However, he represents so many of those people who accidentally gained temporary power in this country that I write against them

Liberal POV said...

Blogger

"Typically I would not respond to POV because so much of what he says is so dumb."

An old fart on Medicare and Social Security protesting government run health care and social safety nets.

Silly? You be the judge.

Liberal POV said...

No Compromise

"Black history month definitely does not celebrate European heritage!"

Why should it be? Like the Italians, and Irish who celebrate Columbus Day or St Patrick's Day all are celebrating a family heritage.

Little petty people want to find some silly non issue to say see THEY are not real Americans like me.

Those same type little petty people did the same to the Irish, Italians and to Blacks.

These little petty people make up todays conservative movement the core of the Grumpy Old People Party.
Anyone want to celebrate Little Petty People Day?

Anonymous said...

I was helping the support group raise money for the 1451st when they were in Iraq. We had set up a table to collect donations at a yard sale in the armory. A Mexican family came out of the sale,They had 3 kids, had picked up some cheap toys and things. When we explained we were raising money for soldiers far from home and family, they dropped a 20 dollar bill in our jar. It was the single largest donation of the day.
The immigrant families I know are hard-working, family centered, and warm hearted people.
They are my kind of Americans.

Sarkazein said...

A'mous- Were they illegals? If so, how could you tell?

Should we now turn over Arizona because Mexicans made a $20 donation? How did they make the $20 ?
How does your story relate to the original post?
Did you not know prior to your $20 epiphany that some Mexicans are charitable? Had you thought all Mexicans are cheapskates or all are poor? Maybe they just got here and thought it was twenty pesos or $1.62. Maybe they had come here legally and had Green Cards and were charitable. Maybe they were 3rd generation citizens. Did you check their papers or something ?

Liberal POV said...

Petty Little People

The comment below by the good American and good Christian Sark shows the depth of the Tea Party Mob character.

Remember a very large percentage of the men and women in Iraq and Afghanistan would be considered Illegal Aliens by you. The first soldier killed in Iraq was an undocumented man from Guatemala.

Sark's Comment that he couldn't let stand at face value because it failed to support his myths and fabricated reality:

"Should we now turn over Arizona because Mexicans made a $20 donation? How did they make the $20 ?
How does your story relate to the original post?
Did you not know prior to your $20 epiphany that some Mexicans are charitable? Had you thought all Mexicans are cheapskates or all are poor? Maybe they just got here and thought it was twenty pesos or $1.62. Maybe they had come here legally and had Green Cards and were charitable. Maybe they were 3rd generation citizens. Did you check their papers or something ?"

Sarkazein said...

POV- Mine were questions about the seemingly unrelated A'mous story. Was their charity booth set up at the May Day Parade? Was the donor wearing a Che Guevera T shirt? And most importantly, HOW DID A'MOUS KNOW THEY WERE ILLEGALS?
Talk about a comment out in the weeds... how does it relate except that they were Hispanic, they weren't even marching. How can anyone be so bigoted to be surprised by generosity from a Latino?

Did the SUV in Time Square have a La Raza sticker on the back bumper?

Sarkazein said...

The first time I saw foreigners demonstrating in our streets was the ant-Shah of Iran marches in DC. It didn't look right then, and foreigners in the streets demonstrating against our laws, doesn't seem right now.
The Iran one sure turned out well.

Sarkazein said...

should read anti-Shah above

Liberal POV said...

Sark

"Did the SUV in Time Square have a La Raza sticker on the back bumper?"

What if I ask if it had an NRA, Tea Party or Palin Bumper sticker do we help the debate with such nonsense?

Do you have to all way up the anger one more notch?

This comment was made yesterday by President Obama . You are entitled to your opinions but not your own set of facts. Many of the right wing think tanks are trying to rewrite history and create a new set of facts. Republicans never had a Southern stradegy based in racism, The civil rights bill was passed by Republicans, FDR failed,

Sarkazein said...

POV- It was May Day. Was it part of the festivities?

Anonymous said...

The folks in Arizona are peacefully gathering to protest government actions, huh?

So what would make their gatherings more palatable and less "frightening" to REAL Americans like us?

Ooooooo, oooooooo, I got it. How about if they were all over 50, wearing tri-cornered hats, and, oh yeah, what if they toned down that whole skin bronzing thing?

guy faulkes said...

How have you been, Shyster (Anonymous)?

You have proven on this thread that it is the left that is actually racist. A Hispanic family is automatically thought to be illegals because of their race, or at least that was the point the post seemed to propose.. No one except the left has ever made comments against Hispanics or other racists other than members of the left. We want the illegals deported, no matter what the race is to which they happen to belong. If they are not illegal, then we do not care what race they are either. They have every right to be here.

Liberaproverbs18:2 and Anonymous should be ashamed of themselves.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

"Liberaproverbs18:2 and Anonymous should be ashamed of themselves."

For not supporting Right wing values of values of racism, torture, human rights abuse, theocracy, intolerance, fear and hate?

For not being silly enough to buy the scapegoat theory of the right wing crazies that hard working roofers, and house painter are to blame for an international economic crisis not Wall Street Bankers and corporate royalty greed?

Anonymous said...

My only comment on this thread was made at noon today, so I'm not really sure what post you're speaking of, guy. And I have no idea what you meant by, "No one except the left has ever made comments against Hispanics or other racists other than members of the left."

The sentence makes no sense.

bridle said...

Sark- All those stupid questions are totally irrelevant. I answered the questions posed by the blogger. Those people, brown skinned with thick accents, are the hard-working, compassionate, family centered kind of people we need in this country. They are my kind of Americans no matter that they don't look like me in many respects. No matter that they don't have the correct papers, or speak English, or eat the same food you do.
There is no way a human being can be illegal, no matter what racist bigots say. We need to change the stupid immigration law, not get rid of the hardest working, and most appreciative members of our society.
Remember this famous poem?
Give me your tired, your poor
your huddled masses yearning to breath free, the wretched refuse of your teaming shore, Send these the homeless, tempest tossed to me. I light my lamp beside the golden door.

Sarkazein said...

Bridle- Are Mexico and other South American countries NOT free? Are the Mexicans coming here escaping a NOT free country?
Oh, and by the way, the immigrants reading your "poem" were going to Ellis Island and entering this country according to the law. The boat didn't stop at Coney Island and let them disembark.

Sarkazein said...

Bridle- Your comment, if you are A'mous, appeared irrelevant to the original post. The questions were to try and figure out why you/A'mous thought it was.
It wasn't.

Reader said...

Don't you think these people should be waving an American flag instead of the mexican one? It would make more sense. What is in the bill that's so offensive to the illegals? Does the bill not state, they have to be doing something illegal or can they just pull you over for being mexican? I'm sure AZ will fight the feds, until they decide to tackle the problem. The feds might just talk the talk and not get involved and let AZ handle it too.

Lib, please don't keep calling conservatives racist. It has nothing to do with race and you know it. If that were true, then the only people hiring them would be liberals. Usually people who are racist, don't like being around people they dislike...much less hiring them.

The people in AZ have dealt with this mess longer than we have been alive. If we lived there, we'd probably be upset also. It's time to fix the problem, but I don't have a solution. We can't just keep closing our eyes, that accomplishes nothing. If we need to deport the illegals, then that's what needs to happen. We all have to take responsibility for our actions. They knew sneaking across the border was wrong, now they have to deal with the consequences. That's what happens when you break the law and if mexicans are sneaking over, how many terrorists are doing the same? Once upon a time I felt secure living in America...not so much anymore.

Liberal POV said...

Reader

"Don't you think these people should be waving an American flag instead of the mexican one?"

I'll bet there were plenty there doing just that but this photographer or blogger chose not to post that image.

See if you like this better.

http://www.upi.com/News_Photos/News/Immigration-bill-signed-in-Arizona/3244/8/

Like it or not the conservatives movement is filled with racist.


"Its time to fix the problem, but I don't have a solution."

You won't find a solution treating these hard working people as criminals but you're right we do need to fix the problem.
Lobby to get the conservatives to stop demonizing these hard working people, give those here a path to citizenship and control who comes in and how many but some will need to keep coming with proper paper work to work here but not as second class citizens.
Do you believe God is an Illegal Alien or do you believe God is an American citizen?

Wolf's Head said...

These illegal immigrants are coming here as looters, NOT to "become Americans".

LPOV and the dems are facilitating the invasion of America by millions of people who are demanding not the American Dream, but their hunk of the American Pie.

Liberal POV said...

Wolf

"LPOV and the dems are facilitating the invasion of America by millions of people who are demanding not the American Dream, but their hunk of the American Pie."

These are cliches similar to the bumper sticker issues conservatives like so well as they requires so little thinking.

Please explain the difference between a hunk of the American Pie and The American Dream, both require work to achieve.

The new immigrants are some of the hardest working people I have met.

The Conservatives need to end all calls for revenge and deportation so we can have real immigration reform. Live a little of that Christianity instead of preaching it, forgive, be compassionate, and love you neighbors. Can any of you support your rigid views with any religion?

Liberal POV said...

Reader

Did you and the others here see all of those American flags? You can relax now.

http://www.upi.com/News_Photos/News/Immigration-bill-signed-in-Arizona/3244/8/

guy faulkes said...

Liberalproverbs18;2 and Anonymous have proved they are racist. This is why they need to be ashamed.

They cannot ever get by the fact that ILLEGAL aliens are criminals, no matter which race to which they belong.

Liberal POV said...

Petty Little Guy

Remember a very large percentage of the men and women in Iraq and Afghanistan would be considered Illegal Aliens by you. The first soldier killed in Iraq was an undocumented man from Guatemala.

You're silly enough to buy the scapegoat theory of the right wing crazies that hard working roofers, and house painter are to blame for an international economic crisis not Wall Street Bankers and corporate royalty greed?

guy faulkes said...

Liberalproverbs18:2

Then there are the illegal aliens that you most admire such as drug dealers, murders, gang members, terrorists, thieves, drug addicts, kidnappers, and your favorite, underage prostitutes. You need to mention these as well as the criminals that steal jobs from working people in this country, kill our economy be deflating wages, and costing us huge amounts of money in social services, health care, and education.

Liberal POV said...

Guy

" You need to mention these as well as the criminals that steal jobs from working people in this country, kill our economy be deflating wages, and costing us huge amounts of money in social services, health care, and education."

Guy you're silly enough to buy the scapegoat theory of the right wing crazies that hard working roofers, and house painter are to blame for an international economic crisis not Wall Street Bankers and corporate royalty greed?

The Conservatives need to end all calls for revenge and deportation so we can have real immigration reform. Live a little of that Christianity instead of preaching it, forgive, be compassionate, and love you neighbors. Can any of you support your rigid views with any religion?

guy faulkes said...

Can any of you support your rigid views with any religion? Yes. They are self evident to anyone but you. How is protecting your home from criminals against any religion?

Government is not run by religion. Neither is religion run by government (unless one worships at the altar of Obama, as does Llberalproverbs18:2.)

I notice Libealproverbs1:2 had nothing to say about the undocumented workers that are drug dealers, murders, gang members, terrorists, thieves, drug addicts, kidnappers, and his favorite, underage prostitutes. I also notice he said nothing to refute the damage done by "the criminals that steal jobs from working people in this country, kill our economy be deflating wages, and costing us huge amounts of money in social services, health care, and education."

This is because he has no rebuttal.

He has also never explained how the Arizona law is racist when he contends that most of Arizona is Hispanic, at the same time 70% of the population approves of the law.

As usual his comments are irrelevant, as he cannot back up what eh says. Once again he is a waste of space.

guy faulkes said...

Also, once again he is out of step with the majority of the country.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/immigration/25_have_favorable_opinion_of_immigration_rights_protesters_50_unfavorable

Blogger said...

guy faulkes said...

Also, once again he is out of step with the majority of the country.
May 4, 2010 12:57 PMRasmussen

Wolf's Head said...

LPOV, the American Dream is to have control of your Life, Liberty and Property. These things are NOT separate, they are all part of the whole, kinda like the Holy Trinity, because one cannot exist without the other.

The "American Pie" I refer to is a leftist creation of entitlements, handouts, restrictions and favoritism that the left uses to control and entice segments of society they wish to control.

Of course the "American Pie" can only exist by stealing money from the American Dream by government. This is an artificial invention of the leftist to promote their world view of supply and demand, which is, everything is in finite supply, and only the leftist is wise enough to dole out these finite supplies to the demand.

This shows the limited and useless mindset of the leftist, their inability to create freedom and wealth, and their parasitic effect on our country.

Liberal POV said...

Wolf

These entitlements the left wants to hand out would be things like a education for young people, living wage jobs, Health care for those that are sick or injured, income for the elderly, care for the mentally ill, food for children, a GI Bill for returning Vets, Safe Streets, Mass public transportation, honest banking system, Safe food, Clean enviroment, clean water, Retirements and Vacation time for workers and Public parks.

All pretty radical.

Wolf's Head said...

All of which are paid by looting money from those who earn it to make you feel better.

All of what you list (except, maybe, military benefits, which is a government function under the Constitution) could be done better and cheaper by the private sector.

Your arguments are all emotion. Oh gee, isn't that terrible, we should make a law.

This is an argument for morally and intellectually bankrupt people who need something other than themselves to give their pointless lives meaning.

The American Dream, which you are working so hard to destroy, can take care of all of your concerns without authoritarian government.

You want more gov't, so you can be part of controlling other peoples lives. Now that is perverted.

Liberal POV said...

Wolf

The gap between rich and poor continues to widen.

Which side of that gap are you on and how long can you remain there? More and more money is accumulating in fewer and fewer hands.

The USA has the highest GNP with highest poverty rate of any developed country.

The current capitalist system is failing the masses in America. Our deficit is unstainable at current tax rates on the wealthy or the only people with real money.

You see no problems here and don't think any reforms are necessary?

These people getting poor and poorer is their own damn fault and low wages, usury bank fees, jobs ship out of the country by major corporations, has nothing to do with that?

You want to see the days of Dickens return.

Pure Capitalism with no social safety nets or public education? Let America compete with Asia with a population of poorly educated adults because of lack of public funding? Fight another GI Bill? Fight public mass transportation so we can have more wars for oil and more oil spills.
Thats the conservative way by god!

Blogger said...

Did you folks hear the Mexican president the other day? He accused us of blocking MIGRATION. Yes, MIGRATION.

Blogger said...

Amnesty

Blogger said...

How long do you think it will take the legal immigrants to stop defining themselves as Hispanic, and Latino and decide to join us as Americans?

guy faulkes said...

Blogger

Not as long as you may think. I have several friends in Arizona and California. They inform me legal immigrants are as disgusted by illegal aliens as the rest of us. Maybe more so.

Liberalproverbs18:2

The gap between the rich and poor is created by the liberal practice of enslaving people into poverty with entitlement programs to secure their votes. We have discussed your lame ass accusations countless times.

Lib said...

Blogger

"How long do you think it will take the legal immigrants to stop defining themselves as Hispanic, and Latino and decide to join us as Americans?"

Weak argument Blogger, Every wave of new immigrants has had to deal with your kind.

Can you skip this kind of silly non issues and help find a solution with justice to fix the problem of immigration?

guy faulkes said...

Can you skip this kind of silly non issues and help find a solution with justice to fix the problem of immigration? - Liberalproverbs18:2

Blogger and others have already given you solutions. You just refuse to listen. It is hard to do so when you keep your eyes and mind shut, your fingers in your ears, and chant La La La La La as loud as you can in order to avid the ideas of those that disagree with you.

If you think these solutions are wrong, tell us why and back it up. Ignoring the countless answers you have received does not support your position.

Don't run from the debate after you are questioned about your response.

Wolf's Head said...

"The current capitalist system is failing the masses in America. Our deficit is unstainable at current tax rates on the wealthy or the only people with real money." LPOV

We do NOT have a Capitalist system. We have a system of government interference that more resembles Fascism, public control of private assets.

And here's a news flash, tax EVERYTHING the "wealthy" make and you still won't get rid of the deficit. You lefties have spent so much that it is now impossible for us to pay off the national debt and run a balanced budget.

Your once again showing your bigotry in wanting to punish one group of people to promote another group you favor.

Liberal POV said...

Wolf

" We have a system of government interference that more resembles Fascism, public control of private

We let Dick Cheney's company Haliburton write its own regulations on creating a well head or pouring concrete around a well drilling rig. The failure in the Gulf is not the first such disaster for Haliburton.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/30/halliburton-may-be-culpri_n_558481.html

Is there any disaster that Dick Cheney is not involved some way?

guy faulkes said...

Is there any disaster that Dick Cheney is not involved some way?

The Obama administration.

Wolf's Head said...

LPOV, you have no credibility as a blogger, and quoting the "HuffingtonPost" shows your divorcement from reality.

If gov't could "fix" anything, everything would be "fixed" by now.